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WASHINGTON, Feb 21 (IPS) - The U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs came under heavy criticism earlier this month from Muslim and religious freedom advocacy groups after it invited to a conference three self-professed "former terrorists" with strong links to the Christian right.
Collectively known as the "3-X Terrorists", Walid Shoebat, Kamel Saleem and Zacharia Anani are front line soldiers in the U.S. "culture wars", a discursive battle over "values" and hot-button issues ranging from abortion to radical Islam.
The men collected 13,000 dollars for their appearance at the 50th annual Academy Assembly, a four-day conference attended by 200 international students and Air Force cadets and organised under the auspices of the school's political science department.
To supporters, the 3-X represent "moderate" voices; they are self-professed Muslim extremists who converted to evangelical Christianity and are now exposing Islam for what it really is. To critics, they are frauds, accused of fabricating much of their past exploits as mass murderers in order to peddle their Islamophobia on the lecture circuit and on cable news networks, including Fox News Corp. and CNN.
But it is their relationship with political leaders and organisations across the right-wing Christian spectrum that seems to have elicited the greatest concern from critics.
"These men are frauds, but that is not the point. They are part of a dark and frightening war by the Christian right against tolerance that, in the moment of another catastrophic terrorist attack on American soil, would make it acceptable to target and persecute all Muslims," wrote former New York Times reporter Chris Hedges in a widely circulated online essay.
"They offer a window into a worldview that is destroying the United States. It has corrupted the Republican party. It has colored the news media. It has entered into the everyday clichés we use to explain ourselves to ourselves. It is ignorant and racist, but it is also deadly," he said.
Controversy seems to follow Shoebat and his associates wherever they go. Members of the public and the news media were not allowed to attend a student-run forum featuring the three at Stanford University. Princeton University cancelled a scheduled talk by Shoebat in 2005 because it was perceived as being "too inflammatory". In 2006, Columbia University restricted public attendance at a speech with Shoebat and former Nazi Hitler youth and German soldier Hilmar Von Campe only three hours before the event was to take place.
The Military Religious Freedom Organisation (MRFF), a group that is suing the federal government to combat what it describes as "creeping evangelism" in the armed forces, also denounced the visit.
The relationship between the evangelical Christian Right and 3-X runs deep, with connections to Reverend John Hagee's Christian-Zionist Christians United for Israel (CUFI), as well as Focus on the Family, part of the para-church organisations that promote social conservative public policy in the U.S., and have maintained close relations with the George W. Bush administration.
Shoebat says claims to be a former Palestinian Liberation Organisation operative who attacked Jews, planted bombs in Israel, and in 1993 converted to Christianity. He released a book in 2007 entitled "Why We Want to Kill You", and appeared in a purported documentary film called "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West."
The film was marketed in part by self-described "pro-Israel" groups, and featured interviews with Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, dubious "investigative journalist" Steve Emerson, Itimar Marcus of the Israel-based Palestinian Media Watch, and Daniel Pipes, a controversial scholar of medieval Islamic history whose website campuswatch.com sparked criticism in 2002 for its alleged McCarthyesque attacks on Middle East studies professors.
Shoebat has received the support of other neo-conservative pundits too. His website features a quote from Frank Gaffney, of the Centre for Security Policy: "In the 25 years I have been in Washington I have never heard anything so extraordinary and the truth so eloquently told by someone like this [Walid Shoebat]."
In the summer of 2006, Shoebat also spoke at the "Night to Honour Israel", a three-day event presented by Pastor Hagee's CUFI, which aims to mobilise Christian Zionists as a political force, according to the San Antonio Express.
Shoebat, Saleem, and Anani are also slated to appear on a panel of ex-terrorists at the CUFI Washington convention in March. Other notable speakers include independent Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, Pipes, Gaffney, and Clifford May, president of the Foundation for the Defence of Democracies.
Saleem, who runs an organisation called Koome Ministries, says he was indoctrinated by the PLO as a child, and ran weapons into Israel via underground tunnels underneath the Golan Heights. But analysts argue there are no accounts of such an incident. Saleem also claims he was descended from the "grand wazir of Islam", a nonsensical term that Saleem rebutted on his website.
"I take responsibility for choosing that inaccurate term. I did so to obscure both title and geographical location of a cleric to whom I am related," he wrote.
The Koome Ministries website is quite clear on its purpose: first, to wake up, educate and train the Christian and Jewish communities on the impending dangers of radical Islam; second, to reach Muslims with the redemptive message of Christ; and third, to teach the Church "relationship evangelism" in order to reach Muslims with the Truth.
The site asks visitors to pray for specific Muslim nations, and provides videos of indigenous groups that are "ripe for the gospel:. The site currently features a video prayer appeal for a Berber group in southern Morocco, asking viewers to "pray for Southern Shilha Berbers will truly become Africa's free men and women in Christ: pray against the spirits of Islam and mysticism that have kept them bound for generations."
Anani claims he has killed at least 223 people as a Lebanese militant during the early 1970s and was "almost beheaded" for converting to Christianity. A 2007 report in the Canadian Windsor Star cast doubts on his jihadi past; according to Tom Quiggin, a Canadian court-qualified expert of global jihadism, some of Anani's accounts did not correspond with actual historical events.
"Mr. Anani is not an individual who rates the slightest degree of credibility, based on the stories that he has told," said Quiggin, a senior fellow at the Centre of Excellence for National Security in Singapore.
Sheobat and Saleem are U.S. citizens, and Anani is Canadian.
© 2008 Inter Press Service



159 Comments so far
Show AllAlan Dershowitz, Steve Emerson, Daniel Pipes, Joe Lieberman, AND John Hagee?
Whee! To paraphrase MST:3K, there's just a buffet of loathsomness in that list.
I'm surprised that they didn't toss in the alleged de-homosexualized Pastor Ted Haggard just for good measure!
Link to Chris Hedges Feb 11 2008 article here:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080211_the_war_against_tolerance/
Don't forget that other Iraqi pillar of truth, Ahmed Chalabi.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is another darling of the religious right (and they protect her reputation at all costs) because she is their tool used to justify both the wars in the Middle East and America's practices of rendition and torture:
If you want to hear her for yourself, click on the purple:
http://www.cbc.ca/onthemap/fullpage.php?id=87
The Air Force has become a Christian Right breeding ground.These flyboys/girls are end of timers, apocalyptic, fundamentalist zanies.
They can't wait to go their reward when God or one of their nuclear missiles blows up the world and they then go to heaven.
Creeps. Stop giving defense dollars to these dead-enders.
re Little Brother 12:35pm
yes. first it was so-called "ministries to/of the formerly gay" and now it's the "formerly terrorist." i wish they'd start a ministry for the formerly dishonest and self-serving, but who would be the first to step up and give witness?
Why is rhe Christian Richt always trying to sell XXX rated things?
Both the Christian radical right and the Islamic radical right are small fringe movements that get more press than they deserve.
We keep hearing about how the people we trained in the 1980's to be violent in Pakistan and Afghanistan are now such a problem, yet they can only get a small percentage of support and votes in recent elections.
Just as snake oil and revival meetings in tents were a lucrative living for hucksters with the gumption to pull it off in days past, so the 3-X and their Christian Right backers have hit the trail hard to bilk dollars from the gullible and frightened. All that is needed is the ghost of Burt Lancaster to play Elmer Gantry as M.C.
To supporters, the 3-X represent "moderate" voices; they are self-professed Muslim extremists who converted to evangelical Christianity
Did they really improve themselves by converting?
If the likes of Daniel Pipe and hagee and the ultimate traitor, Joe LIEberman supports these "ex-muslims"...then you know this is all BS form the ZIONIST_RIGHT.
We tend to write these clowns off, but I suggest you read Hedges book American Fascists. And much like Naomi Klein's Disaster Capitalism, the right practices a form of Disaster Religion. Over the long haul we all know religion is headed in down the same path as astrology, but in the short term, it can still cause alot of damage and suffering.
Terrorists - American Christians = same thing
It's not at all unusual for churches to host speakers who claim to have been infamously bad sinners before deciding to accept Christ and then preach gospel. Many like this are effective evangelists in those venues
Some of them may be frauds, and others factually are not.
Having such at the Air Force Academy, however, is odd.
Any one who claims to have killed 223 people for Islam is admitting to something that still ought to be prosecuted somewhere for the sake of justice for the kin of victims, conversion or no conversion. I think there are people in Gitmo for less, and it's a tad confusing to have our government trying some and then thanking others for coming to speak.
All that said, though, us liberals need not be making light of radical Islam as some kind of over-hyped boogeyman that doesn't exist. Perhaps that's what we'd like to think--but it's not reality. Islam will continue to produce suicide bombers with no end in sight, and liberals must admit it's there for us all to deal with.
Canuckchuk, your statement is, as usual, inflammatory and hyperbolic. You would would win more arguments by adhering to the truth than by resorting to absurdities such as the one you uttered above. Yours in Christ, doug
C'mon Doug,, what about the Christian terrorist organization know as Blackwater? Right now, the US is THE leader in killing innocent civilians by a big fat margin. And Christians have an amazingly wonderful track record of killing innocents since the days of the Crusades and Inquisitions. And lets not forget that Hitler was a Christian too.
Just what is up with the nutbags in the Air Force hierarchy anyway? This must go all the way to the 'top brass'. It's been going on for years, law suits filed have been filed and yet it doesn't seem to change. I understand that military society isn't like 'normal' society, but what perversion of the notion of freedom of religion allows the Christianization of a secular entity?
Yeah, these guys seem to me to be creations of the CIA/Mossad... Paid to pretend they were terrorists and spread lies about Islam.
doughyden: Christianity in the US has been co-opted by false teachers such as Pastor Hagee... He and those like him are who we are warned about in the bible...
2 Peter 2:1 --- "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves."
Matt 7:15 --- "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
Matt 24:10-12 --- "At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold"
That's just a few examples... there are many others. So as you can see, we've been well warned about false teachers/prophets. The fact that SO many people (Especially in the US) have fallen for these false teachers, shows me that they really don't understand what the bible is all about. They've bought the snake-oil of those like Falwell, Robertson, Hagee and many others. By doing so, they've given up their salvation.
Religion is a powerful drug just like Crack. A crack addict will say anything, do anything, or risk anything to get his or her 'fix'. Religion is the same way. Since they are "Doing it for God" they think ANYTHING is OK.
It makes no difference what the religion is. The lying, conspiring, extorting and murdering holds hands with them all. They all wait to commit their eventual murder-suicide, or for the next Jim Jones or David Khoresh to lead them to their inevitiable doom. The reason they want war is so when it finally goes Nuclear they can run outside, hold up their little books, and praise some "God" while they burn along with their cities.
The worst of the religions is Christian. They're the worst because they have the least tolerance for anything that's not in their little black book, attack people's rights, constantly backstab people, scheme, lie, commit pedophelia, and they worship a God that uses torture and death as his control base. Christians usually live in a house filled with guns as well, part of their paranoid lifestyle. They're the epitome of hypocrisy and they make me want to vomit.
This article is just an example of another one of their lies.
When war profiteers, oilmen, corporations, banks and theocrats rule, we get scams like this one. The conservative money minority beats the liberal majority every time. Direct democracy is the cure they will not allow.
Daniel David February 22nd, 2008 1:42 pm:
"Having such at the Air Force Academy, however, is odd"
Hi Daniel David. To me it is an obvious form of dehumanisation. You can't go from healthy well-adjusted human to bullet spraying, napalm throwing Rambo overnight, without proper psychological conditioning. These actors play the role of the sub-humans who deserve to die. If, for example, the US was occupying another country, say Israel, they would play Jews.
I've got some questions for you Daniel David, if you please.
"making light of radical Islam as some kind of over-hyped boogeyman"
Daniel David , you don't think "radical Islam" is over hyped? Do we ever use the word "Islam" without "radical" in front of it?
"Islam will continue to produce suicide bombers with no end in sight"
You mean for ever and ever? Will Africa continue to produce starvation with no end in sight?
"liberals must admit it's there for us all to deal with"
Why liberals specifically, Daniel?
This is all very disturbing. However, the good thing about multi-millionaire preachers like Hagee and Robertson is that they are easy targets for most mainstream Christians. So some of his biggest opponents are other religious Christians and even some evangelicals who don't buy into Hagee's charismatic preaching and historical revisionism. Hagee doesn't even seem to be Christian at all however you try to stretch the definition of "Christian". He's just a preacher who combines militant American super-patriotism with Israel worship, and became very rich in the process. Even I, as an atheist note Hagee's theology takes extreme liberties with the Bible to the point of explicitly endorsing many heresies.
These "Christian" Israel worshipers conveniently mostly ignore the fact that many Palestinians who were dispossessed by the creation of Israel were Christian. There are still Arab Christians in the occupied territories. There are Arab Christians in the Middle East and elsewhere who cannot understand the "Christian" Israel worshipers in America. On the other hand, estimates put the number of ethnic Jewish atheists in Israel at somewhere between 15% to 25% and probably greater; I'm willing to bet that the number of atheists among Palestinians is probably a lot smaller. I am an atheist, I just find it odd, very dangerous and sometimes even hilarious at times that these braindead evangelicals could care so much for a state that is home to such a large number of atheists, was founded by many ethnic Jewish agnostics(Golda Meir "I believe in the Jewish people and the Jewish people believe in God") and atheists, against God-believing indigenous Arab Muslims and Christians. Certainly, many of these evangelicals believe during or after the "rapture" the Jews of Israel will either be exterminated or will finally accept Jesus; Hagee seems to belong to the second group. Anti-Israel orthodox Jews are always quick to point out the non-religious nature of early militant Zionism, but again, "Christian" Israel worshipers ignore this evidence. Of course, many Israeli Jews are religious, and range from the very liberal(who have little problem with gay marriage, female rabbis or abortion) to the ultra-orthodox. Yes, another fact that "Christian" Israel worshipers ignore - homosexuality is generally tolerated in most of Israel, and abortion is legal. Oh and don't forget, most Christian evangelicals are economic conservatives, yet here they are supporting a state about as "socialist" as France or Sweden. Let's hear it for the "Christian" support for socialist, legalized abortion, tolerant of homosexuals state of Israel! LOL
I have nothing against Jews, but somewhere there are atheist Jews laughing at these Christian dupes I bet. It is obvious that many Jewish Israelis are much more compromising and liberal than their "Christian" Israel worshiping supporters. Because someone can so cleverly and charismatically twist around the Bible, he can have ultra-religious evangelical Christians support atheists against fellow Christians.
http://www.freegoodnews.com/2006/07/reformation_chr.html
Boy, when the Air Force talks about slipping the surly bonds of earth they aren't kidding are they?
@elmysterio
No-one reads the bible anymore. They may mouth it, but no-one reads it, else the following sayings attributed to a long-forgotten teacher named J. Christ would be writ large:
Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.
Whoever strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him also... and whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.
If you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer our gift.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Our "shining Academy, set on a hill, for all to see" has an awful un-American stain. The stain is so obvious, so egregious that our Academy no longer glistens for all. This is wrong.
Instead of a cherished patina, built upon for decades, a corrosive acid continues to etch the patina clear off, leaving a pitted, black and blued surface with an accompanying acrid and caustic smell of sulfur and hazardous runoff. This rancid acid has entered cracks and continues to damage the very foundations of an American institution.
This insidious, sanctimonious acid must be neutralized to prevent further damage. Once neutralized, repairs must be undertaken and maybe then; the foul, pompous smell and dangerous runoff will be abated.
Only then, will the desired American, Constitutional patina have a chance to return.
I believe we've located the cancer. America is terminally ill, and these bigoted, biased, fools are the reason.
These people have done more to destroy America than any group elsewhere. Dershowitz is one of the biggest whores out there. Shame on him and his ilk.
Like the Holy roman Empire; we, too, rot from within.
Horrified, Hitler was no more a Christian than I perceive you to be. It is true that he was born, baptized, and died a "Catholic," having never been excommunicated (to the great and everlasting shame of the Catholic Church). Nevertheless, if you've read your history, you should know that he was a professed pagan, to the extent that he had any religion at all. (Does that make paganism a terrorist religion?)He never uttered a word of support for the Church or adherence to its teachings. His marriage to Eva Braun was not a church-sanctioned marriage. He committed suicide. I know Christians. Christians are friends of mine. And Hitler, sir, was no Christian.
You people continue to make the same error, time after time after time. I know you've been repeatedly corrected to the point that I can only conclude that your ignorance is willful (i.e. you are stupid). Okay, one more time: Christianity is not a terrorist religion; some Christians are terrorists, having taken out of context a few Bible verses as proof-texts. Islam is not a terrorist religion; some Muslims are terrorists, having taken out of context a few Koran verses as proof-texts. Hinduism is not a terrorist religion; some Hindus are terrorists, having taken out of context a few of their religious texts.
EARTH TO YOU PEOPLE! NEWS FLASH! None of the world's major religions is a terrorist religion. Some terrorists use religion as a cover for terrorism.
Nuff said.
The indoctrination of the Air Force cadets is so that when the order to drop the A bomb on a Muslim country comes, they will remember what they heard from these hate spreaders, and push the button with narrow eyed pleasure.
I fear for my country. I fear for earth's inhabitants.
The inmates are running the asylum.
JudeoChristians spreading lies, hatred and war? I can't believe that!
Little Brother...To get a good look at Ted Haggerd pre-scandal, check out a frightening indy film, "Jesus Camp". Couldn't sleep last night after viewing. Circa Alito nomination. Evangelical Tactics.
Just did Christopher Hichens, "god is not Great", Richard Dawkins, "The God Delusion"' and am wading thru Sam Harris', "The End of Faith". Intellectualizing what most of us have felt for a long time. At times, Harris' accounting of Islam sounds like it was written for or by the PNAC neo-cons, but ends that chapter with an enlightened solution. It seems like all fundamentalism thrives in a culture of ignorance, either intentional or blissful.
I really think a lot of admitted Christians aren't technically, but are hedging their bets, just in case... I also think too many are unwilling to discuss their doubts out of fear of being called godless or worse, a social outcast. Certainly one's belief in God isn't a prerequisite for spirituality, humanity, and just plain good-neighborliness.
Anthropologist Clifford Geertz observed:
"...to shore up the dikes of their neccessary beliefs, men will use whatever mud they can find."
Doughy, wow...what a cop out. hitler WAS a Christian. Just because he massacred millions of people,, you folks conveniently distance yourself from that fact by saying he is a 'pagan' worshiper. next you will tell me that the crusaders were barbarians and the inquisitors were pagans. You folks who claim to be Christian don't even know how to practice the religion. God help us from "Christians" like you.
The only way to deal with the air farce academy is to shut it down! It is the breeding ground for "Jesus Camp" with wings and BIG bombs. My nephew went there and came out with all the very wrong Christian ideas.
Back a while ago a Chaplain blew the whistle on what was going on at the AFA and got her butt kicked!
To jlocke123:
Hi. Since you asked me questions, here are my opinions. Yes, I think "radical Islam" is over-hyped by Republicans, but I do not believe it is wise of us to pretend that because they do that we can assume the actual threat of radicals trying to act violently against Westerners and Western culture is low or zero.
I do believe there are still dangers with Al Qaeda and others, that liberals (Democrats) must acknowledge them in order to be elected ever, AND that liberals, if lucky enough to be elected in November will then have the important RESPONSIBILITY OF PROTECTING AMERICA.
I believe that Democrats (to re-use a Bushism in a sober context) must "step up" to this if the election causes Republicans to "stand down." Liberals need not be fear-mongers, but we had better not be naive either.
There is a serious middle ground, and it is never found in sarcasm like from some of the posters above.
As for ends of things, I do not see suicide bombing just coming to a quick end, and I likewise don't see starvation (extreme poverty) ending real soon in Africa either.
horrified,
"Hitler was a Christian too."
You really want to spout a generality like that? Hitler was also a German, a dog lover, and a vegan. Now those are three groups that are just totally out of control. I suppose it is possible to say something dumber, though for the life of me, I can't come up with anything right now.
There is little doubt that there is a viscous, hate-filled minority of Christians that have been dominating the news. That is because the quiet, God loving, do-gooding type like Jimmy Carter, are too busy to hate. You really want to tar the whole bunch with the "Hitler" brush? Well, then you better hop on your high-horse and get after those vegans too! God only knows what kind of trouble they are up to. While you are at it, better get to the animal shelters and make sure they aren't fronts for the KKK.
TheLorax,
"The worst of the religions is Christian. They're the worst because they have the least tolerance for anything that's not in their little black book, attack people's rights, constantly backstab people,...."
Oh, you are sooooo right. That is infinitely worse than oh, say beheading them (for converting from Islam to another religion). There is plenty of intolerance to go around. You are displaying quite enough in your post.
In less than 8yrs Bush and his puppeteers have changed this
country from the melting pot into the boiling pot. Who was it that said "a house devided against itself cannot stand"
Wonder what Abe Lincoln would do?
kendpotter - you need to study a little history. Christians were master torturers long before Muslims. The difference is, today the violence we hear about in Muslim lands is committed by extreme brands of Islam. Back a couple hundred years when it was Christianity doing violence, it was the mainstream churches.
And yes, Hitler was a Christian. In fact, if you read Mein Kampf (which Christians will deny he wrote) he says he will do the Lord's work, not unlike Bush.
Organized Religion--in one door Common sense--out the other door. Not to say there are no good and sincere Christians in our country, but their leaders, as in our government, determine whether they help or hinder our country.
Horrified, in what way, exactly, am I one of those Christians who "don't even know how to practice the religion?" You fucking moron, you don't even know me; how dare you claim to know what kind of Christian I am? Here's the kind of Christian I am: I'm the kind of Christian who has absolutely no tolerance for stupid assholes such as yourself who pretend to speak about subjects of which they have no clue. I'm the kind of Christian who is sick and god-damned tired of being pigeon-holed by assholes like you who sound like they've never even opened a book, let alone engaged in reflective thought. So, why don't you shut the fuck up and go back to scribbling on your Big Chief tablet while we grownups have a rational discussion?
Well now, that should give you enough knowledge of me to know that I'm not a very good Christian, because a good Christian wouldn't want to whip your ass. Nevertheless, as poor an example of Christian as I am, I am not a terrorist. I have never engaged in physical violence, and I do not approve of any sort of physical violence. I approve of Jesus' teachings, and I try, however imperfectly, to follow them. I am weak, however, and when I'm confronted by stupidity as profound as yours I cannot tolerate it.
Yours in Christ, doug
JJ PETER & EL MYSTERIO: Good points
KANE JEEVES: I really resent your reference to astrology. TRUE astrology is a meta-science that involves complex formulas based on sacred geometry. What you are exposed to in a periodical is NOT astrology, it is sun sign entertainment.
To those that wish to defend Christianity, you like everyone else is entitled to your beliefs; but when your beliefs become the stuff that rationalizes armed conflict and impassions young people to go and kill, then religion departs from its Divine intention and becomes something altogether different, something that promotes murder and is diabolical. THAT indeed deserves criticism. Certainly enlightened Christians like Jimmy Carter, John Dear, Bill Moyers are NOT the issue, nor are they being criticized. It is what's being done in religion's name, and all 3 biggie patriarchal ones have a lot to account for, that is answer for. Karma is an equal opportunity deployer, no one is exempted.
The hatred among the world's religious groups may well be the thing that destroys us all. How ironic, given that God is supposed to be about love, forgiveness, compassion, peace and understanding. Can we please stop bashing whole groups of people because some members of these groups are twisted and filled with hate? To show your intolerance of an entire group based on the acts and beliefs of some members of that group is just another form of the very intolerance you're condemning. Get it?
Doughy: These are your words: FUCKING MORON.
That is the quality of these christians. How un-Christian! You , sir, are using the name of the Lord in vain. You drape yourself in Christ. You are an apostate. Your lack of respect for Christ is very interesting. It really is all about you isn't it? Christ is just a tool for you isn't it? You so called Christians have degraded Christianity to the point of being unrecognizable. This is the way of those ignorant of their own religion. You are not IN Christ, you are outside, and an enemy of Christian ideals. You have perverted Christ. You are dangerous , sir.
Doughy, your Hypocritical Christianity shows...thanks for confirming it.
"Horrified, in what way, exactly, am I one of those Christians who "don't even know how to practice the religion?" You fucking moron, you don't even know me; how dare you claim to know what kind of Christian I am?"
KenPott....Apparently you have no qualms when you bunch bunch all muslims as radicals like OBL do you? you bloody hypocrite
You don't support physical violence douhgy? You are lying. You voted for Bush twice didn't you? You are violent and unreasonable and foul-mouthed. Not Christian at all. You deserve to be insulted, but I don't do that. I grew up, unlike you.
peaceistruth says,
"It is obvious that many Jewish Israelis are much more compromising and liberal than their "Christian" Israel worshiping supporters".
VERY MISTAKEN THAT IS. The right-wing "Christians" the article is about are not for Zionism for the same reason as Zionist "Jews" are, but for the insane and nonsensical rapture belief in which Jews who still refuse to convert to Christianity are supposedly all going to be banished to Hell.
In any case, these right-wing lunatics who definitely aren't anything close to being truly Christian are NOT the people controlling the U.S. govt; they're just a bunch of religious lunatics and sociopaths, bad or extreme enough that I'd just refer to them as psychopaths; very violent sociopaths, as opposed to non-violent ones.
They are instrumentally useful in their rein-hell-on-earth lunacy and for the real ruling elites, probably most of whom are not really religious at all; well, not likely to be, unless it might be satanism sort of religion, anyway. They know what Biblical scripture says they worship, which is mammon; and if they don't realise this, then it's still what they clearly, obviously worship. Most, if not all of them are surely educated enough to be able to realise this.
After all, they need cannon fodder and warmongering promoters, or promoters of war (of aggression). Fighting for real defence doesn't require promotion, surely nowhere as much anyway. Those who are aggressed and who have the spirit to fight to resist will come on their own; not needing a draft, or fantasy promos like the U.S. has been using with their recruiting vans going from school to school, with high-tech shoot'em-up cowboy videos, etc.
These right-wing lunatic "Christians" provide plenty of warmongering promotion and promote their own "loved" ones to serve in war. Works out "great" for the ruling elites.
Doughy: Since you claim to be so erudite, do you know the name of Christ's brothers? There are 4. Name them.
What about his sisters? What can you tell me about them?
Hint: Mark. Go, run to your bible and see if you can find it because I am sure you don't know them.