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Obama Trounces Clinton in Wisconsin and Hawaii to Make It Ten in a Row
Barack Obama last night swept aside Hillary Clinton in the Wisconsin primary and Hawaii caucuses, extending his winning run in the Democratic presidential race to ten consecutive victories.
The campaign now heads towards a crunch date on March 4 when Mrs Clinton needs to win both Texas and Ohio to keep her White House hopes alive.
Mr Obama's victory in Wisconsin - by a wider than expected margin of 56 per cent to 41 per cent - increases the likelihood that a defeat for Mrs Clinton in either of these key states next month will prove to be decisive in determining the nomination.
She now trails Mr Obama by more than 150 pledged delegates and will need to win overwhelmingly in Ohio and Texas, as well as Pennsylvania on April 22, to close the gap.
As in the Potomac primary a week earlier, Mr Obama made significant inroads last night into her base support among women, union and white lower-paid voters while maintaining huge leads over among independents and younger people.
Mr Obama's aides yesterday suggested that Wisconsin - which contains few of the black voters who have boosted him elsewhere and was not a caucus contest of the type he has usually won - should have been natural Clinton territory. One described it as a "no excuses primary" for her.
The results of today's caucuses in Hawaii - a state where Mr Obama spent much of his youth - did not offer Mrs Clinton any comfort either; she took only 24 per cent of the vote compared to 76 per cent for the Illinois senator.
Mr Obama appeared in front of another massed rally at Houston when he was declared the Wisconsin winner last night. "Houston, I think we achieved lift-off here," he said to wild cheers from a crowd of around 20,000 people.
His speech began in the middle of Mrs Clinton's own address in Youngstown, Ohio, prompting TV stations to abandon coverage of her in favour of Mr Obama. This was immediately seen as a sign that his campaign is now ready to "big foot" his formerly frontrunning rival.
Mrs Clinton notably failed to congratulate Mr Obama in her speech and - although aides later said they spoke briefly by telephone - the animosity between the two campaigns appears to have hardened in recent days during which they have both run negative TV advertising attacks.
She sought to shift voters' attention away from the excitement and euphoria surrounding Mr Obama, saying: "This election is not about me or my opponent. It's about you. Your lives, your dreams, your future."
Instead, Mrs Clinton said voters needed to focus on the real choice they faced - beyond having the first woman or the first African American Democratic nominee.
"Both Senator Obama and I would make history. But only one of us is ready on day one to be commander-in-chief, ready to manage our economy, and ready to defeat the Republicans. Only one of us has spent 35 years being a doer, a fighter and a champion for those who need a voice.
"That is what I would bring to the White House. That is the choice in this election. It's about picking a president who relies not just on words - but on work, hard work, to get America back to work. Someone who's not just in the speeches business - but will get America back in the solutions business."
Mr Obama responded in his own speech, saying change "will take more than big rallies, it's going to require more than rousing speeches, it will also require more than policy papers and positions and websites, it is going to require something more".
He added: "The problem that we face in America today is not a lack of good ideas. It's that Washington has become a place where good ideas go to die."
His speech suggested he was already looking ahead to a general election battle against the presumptive Republican nominee, John McCain, saying that America did not need the "same old folks" running Washington.
But Mr McCain, who cantered past the fading challenge of Mike Huckabee to win the Republican primary in Wisconsin last night, made thinly veiled swipes in Mr Obama's direction and "the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate".
In a speech in Columbus, Ohio, he said: "I will fight every moment of every day in this campaign to make sure that Americans are not deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change."
© 2008 The Times Online
90 Comments so far
Show AllHillary, just give up. It was over after Iowa....
First H.W., then Bill, then W., then Hillary, then Jeb, then by that time Chelsea will have reached the 35-year-old constitutional minimum.
All this Obama stuff puts us at risk of breaking an American tradition. Oh, woe.
Or "Oh, whoa!" Or even, "Oh, 'O'!"
Ten defeats in a row - that's real leadership!
If Clinton has been a doer, a fighter, "a champion for 35 years (!)" how come we still have all these grave problems?
Obama is the ultimate dream candidate for the establishment. He won't challenge the status quo, but can arouse the electorate and generate excitement. I'm glad for him. As far as establishment candidates go, he seems like a nice guy. Hillary, on the other hand, is the establishment candidate "whose turn had arrived". There was no other qualification to her. I'm glad she is going nowhere. I find her pretty boring (and besides, what she says means absolutely nothing).
"The only constant in the universe is change". The only thing that you can set your clock by is change because everything changes. And America is at the cross-roads of change and is in the process of change as I type and you read this writing. The People are in the streets, yelling from the windows of their dwelling, the very air vibrates with the static crackling of the barely restrained shout "We're mad as hell and ain't going to take it anymore!". If we-The American People-were to judge the canidates ability to be president on the basis on how they run their campaigns we would have to give the nod to Senator Obama. While Clinton and McCain tout their vaunted experience in the Federal Government or military the daily running of their campaigns leaves a lot to be questioned and is an early indicator of how they would run this country. I would rather have someone running the country like Senator Obama runs his campaign then to have someone runnings the country like Clinton or McCain who seem to have problems keeping their campaigns running on point and smoothly.
Got to hand it to Obama- He brings out the worst in her.
And that is the problem for Hillary--the more the exposure, the less likeable character is revealed.
The Clintons must've really thought they had this thing all sewn up before it even started.
Vern, you nailed it! Hillary made a major mistake making such a big deal of "plagiarism". Obama said, rightly, "I should have given him credit, but it's no big deal." And the voters agreed. Her continuing to harp on it made her look desperate and ineffectual. She cooked her own goose. And we are the beneficiaries.
kathyodat
BTY, I can't wait to see him bring out the worst in McCain, who is known to have a rage issue. Maybe his staff will sedate him before the debates.
kathyodat
Vern...Absolutely right. The Clinton Machine, rolling along toward an inevitable nomination hits a bump in the road in Iowa and the wheels fall off.
One blunder/mistake/miscalculation after another. Is this leadership? She can't pick competent advisors, can't keep track of her campaign funds, can't read the political mood of the country, can't deal with adversity, can't "find her voice" until New Hampshire (after 35 years of Experience!), can't campaign anywhere without angering large chunks of the electorate, can't figure out what to do with Bill, can't keep her word (Mich and Fla), can't tell the truth (war vote was to buy time for negotiations),can't admit a mistake (war vote, again) and on and on and on...
Experience? Her biggest experience in Bill's administration was screwing up National Health when there was a Democratic president, a Democratic congress and the Democrats controlled most governorships and state legislatures.
The time is certainly right for a woman to be President.
But...Not This Woman!
Clinton's desperation tactics right now are a huge turn off. Clinton Inc. will do almost anything to make sure they don't lose another election to Obama. Don't be surprised if they try to dig up some dirt on Obama right before the Ohio & Texas primaries. The worse part is that somehow she feels entitled to be nominated just because of her name. If for some reason she does unexpectedly get the nomination, I won't be voting at all this Nov. I just don't trust her and Clinton Inc.
As Ralph Malachi once yelled: "Let the pigeons loose!"
"By Bill O'Reilly Does Michelle Obama dislike America? That is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo."
Not as much as the neoconBushcultists, it turns out. By April, it will be "Does Michelle Obama HATE America?" During the summer, we'll be treated to "Why Do the Obamas hate all of white America and most Latinos, too?" In the fall, it'll be, "Does Obama hate America so much, he's planning to rename it New Africa?"
Hell, McCrazy is already accusing the Dems of pre-genocide...
"Ready on Day One" If I hear this one more time I will scream !! I wonder how many presidents, on Inauguration Day, yawned and said, "Sorry, I'm not ready yet"?? Hillary needs to just go back to New York now, and give us all a rest from her annoying personality, her and Bill both, if I never see either of them again, I will not miss them !!
IT'S SAD TO READ ALL THESE COMMENTS...THAT
ARE JUST PARROTING...THE SO-CALLED
MOMENTUM OF OBAMA....HAS NOT BEEN INSPECTED
COME ON FOLKS...EVERYONE KNOWS WHO PAYS
ATTENTION THAT AT THE STATE CAUCUSES...AND
MOST PRIMARIES....THERE'S BEEN A SET UP EVER
SINCE REPUBS DECIDED IT WOULD BE EASIER TO
BEAT OBAMA....THEY WENT INTO THE DEM VOTING
ARENA...SAID I'M CHANGING AFFILIATION...
SHOUTED FOR OBAMA...LEFT LAUGHING AND SMIRKING
LIKE THEIR CHIMPY LEADER....AND IN A DAY OR
SO WENT TO REPUBS/BOARD OF ELECTIONS...AND
RESIGNED AS THE BUMS THEY ARE....
WAKE UP...TAKE A STRONG LOOK...SOMEONE LIKE
GREG PALAST...ET AL...SHOULD BE GOING AFTER
THIS WITH A FINETOOTHED COMB......
SO THIS IS THE "ELECTED" SPEAKING...HARDLY...
PATHETIC
PATHETIC, I think polls have consistently suggested that in a hypothetical match up against McCain, Obama does better than Hillary.
So you may want to revise your theory.
And let's save Palast's magnificent investigative skills for other issues.
Keating Five McCain sez: "I will fight every moment of every day in this campaign to make sure that Americans are not deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change."
This statement begs editing to remove the propaganda ...
100-year Occupation McCain meant: "I will fight every moment of every day in this campaign to make sure that Americans are deceived."
DEAR OFF SCREEN CAPS LOCK -
The republicans poll higher against Hillary, not McCain....
One of Obama's advisors said that the usual process in a campaign like this is for a candidate who rises to such an iconic place to quickly become a pinata.
We need to realize that everything will be done to try to destroy Obama and the movement that has grown around his candidacy. The last thing the powers that be want is a motivated and involved electorate.
I expected the assaults and the dirty political tricks to begin from the right, but I was extremely discouraged to see how the Clinton campaign went negative. I'm proud of the Wisconsin voters for not rewarding Hillary and her attempt to tear down Obama with such petty accusations.
The main goal of all negative advertising (and the political dirty tricks of Republicans) is to get people to have doubts about the candidate and the possibility for change. They will spend millions of dollars and will spread unspeakable lies so people will have doubts, give up, not vote or sit on the sidelines instead of getting involved.
We need to stand together when these attacks come so that our pinata will have a solid shell of support that can't be defeated by smear campaigns and the lies that are already being spread.
Hillary claims to have so much more experience than Obama. What makes her think she would be a
better president when she can't even run a better campaign? If Obama runs the government half
as well as he has run his campaign, there will be change in the way things run in washington.
Obama is presently (61) delegate votes ahead, if Michigan and Florida are not counted, and so far they are not. Nor should they be counted in my opinion. They should have a caucuus in those two states.
If Obama wins in Texas, and he may, he will be our next president. Hillary has to win in Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania, all three of them. ___ IF,__ if, if she does that, she will have the delegate lead come the convention. Whoemever leads then should recieve the super delegate votes.
If Obama is our next president, do NOT expect to see our troops out of Iraq, and do see a possible attack on Iran. ___ Check his record carefully, and what he has actually said on those issues. I am not supporting, or condemming either Hillary or Obama with writing those commments. I am just stating what is self evident to me.
Obama is not running his campaign RUDYJO.
Some very smart political hacks and people who were able to raise millions of dollars, found a man who is the best orator we have ever seen, and who is an expert con-artist and they ran his campaign and did it very well. Those same people will be runnng the president too. "Beware of what we wish for" is an excellent saying.
Obama has fooled millions, with his truly wonderful speeches. Many of the fooled are very decent progeressives, who have been conned and with much justification, hate the thought of another Clinton presidency.
Let's take a closer look at who's really qualified and or who's really working for the good of all of us in the Senate. Obama or Clinton.
Records of these two candidates should be scrutinized in order to make an informed decision.
Senator CLINTON, who has served only one full term - 6yrs. - and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law - 20 - twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress http://www.thomas.loc.gov , but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.
1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
There you have it, the fact's straight from the Senate Record.
Now, I would post those of OBAMAs, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize.
During the first - 8 - eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.
In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.
An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record according to some who would prefer that this comparison not be made public.
He's not just a talker.
He's a doer.
Pass it on….It's impressive
~POLLSHEP~ His FIRST year in the Senate, Obama authorized 152 bills and co-sponsered another 427. A total of 579 bills. With the Senate being in session for less than 200 working days, ___ that is some fantastic reading and work. WOW!!!! __ I do wonder if your post is accurate, just because you say so? Or is there such a thing as a rubber stamp being used to make one look really good? ______ Hmmmmmm?
Just wonder about it Pollshep, not being critical of your very humerous post.
"Obama has fooled millions, with his truly wonderful speeches. Many of the fooled are very decent progeressives, who have been conned and with much justification, hate the thought of another Clinton presidency."
If this was the early 60's, these Obama haters on here would probably have said that JFK was also a hack and con artist. If you dislike Obama so much and call him a fake, then go out and support John McCain with full gusto. Otherwise quit your whining!
Hillary Walmart Clinton--"a champion for those who need a voice?"--I don't think so.
The link above doesn't seem to be working...
I typed into the browser the following and it takes you to the Library of Congress...
thomas.loc.gov
I did not compile the above information, and was really passing it on for an FYI,however, I have found tons of information that I did not know was available... look it up, type in their names, you might be surprised...
Kem Partrick; Who would you rather have, the political hacks that Obama has working for him
or the criminals that run the bush administration?
Did any of you look up the Wisconsin vote totals? Although Hillary lost to Barak, she got more votes than McCain! Barak got Twice as many votes as McCain, Huckabee and Ron Paul combined. The GOP has to get humping in the Dairy State!
Who would you rather have, the political hacks that Obama has working for him or the criminals that run the bush administration?
There is a difference? Maybe we will all wake up next year and discover that politics is just kabuki to distract us from the real rulers hiding in the wings.
"Only one of us has spent 35 years being a doer, a fighter and a champion for those who need a voice." ---
Yeah Hillary, who needed the voice? Oh it was WAL-MART, AIPAC and the MIC... She sure served them well.
Hey Kem, are you a closet Hillary fan? Sounds that way. Obama was a community organizer in his youth, he knows how to organize. We could use a little of that. In his recent speeches, he says he will have us out of Iraq in 2009. He says the people need to push their leaders for what they want. He said that ExxonMobil made unacceptable billions in profits and we need to take back our money and use it for the public good.
Hillary voted against banning cluster bombs to please AIPAC. Can you seriously vote for someone who is willing to blow children's faces off for the sake of campaign funds and votes? Obama voted for the ban. He told automakers what they didn't want to hear, that we need higher fuel efficiency standards. He said the room was silent, but it needed to be said. Hillary is running an inept campaign and flailing as she drowns. Is that who you want for president? I want someone who is competent and who chooses competent advisers, not someone who keeps rearranging their team and starts nitpicking when the going gets tough.
Kem, why don't you read Obama's Houston victory speech? He points out that the pressure for change must come from the bottom, from us. And he urges people to keep up the pressure. You think he's a fake? I think he's real, a lot more real than Hillary and so do more and more Americans.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/politics/19text-obama.html
kathyodat
Hate to bring this up, but remember all the "convenient" deaths that just seemed to happen to people who could have brought down Bill and Hillary? The last public one was Vince Foster. Have you noticed the "smile" that appears on Hillary's face when she maintains that she will be the next president. It is scary. Is she hiding some dark secret plan?
The Clintons really need to leave daughter Chelsea alone. She got a wonderful trip to Hawaii and everyone is proud.But even Hawaiins don't like the idea of an adult supporter who cannot be approached with even the simplest question about the campaign. Hillary lost Hawaii by over 70%. Hawaiians saw Chelsea and just said no. Embarassing. Now if some superdelegates can be as brave, or are they in on the same dark secret?
riverman, you're not being fair to Kem. He's not oten wrong, although there does seem to be some sort of a blind spot around Hillary and Barack that I haven't figured out. Kem, are you opposed to a black man as president?
Your friend, Kathyodat
This is going to be an election where the young voters are going to really make the big difference. They are the ones who are going to vote Obama into office.
I was a participant in the Nebraska caucuses, and was amazed at the large number and enthusiasm of the Obama supporters. Most of them were under 30 and their enthusiasm was infectuous on us oldsters. Observing the Obama supporters, I suddenly had the feeling it must have been much like this when JFK and RFK were campaigning.
The reason for the younger generation's support of Obama? In a word...they're PISSED OFF! They are concerned about jobs and living standards. Hillary doesn't impress them because she is associated with NAFTA and Bill's H1B visa support. They also want to see the environment and global warming addressed. They are upset about the Iraq war and the image of the US abroad.
There is a new generation coming to fore, the "baby boom" of the 80's and they are not going to be satisfied with business as usual. And the Republicans? All they have to offer this younger generation is just the re-assurance: "well...we kept that gay couple down the street from getting hitched".
tolerancenow, how many convenient deaths were there? I only heard about Vince Foster. I'm not adverse to conspiracy theories, but I do like some evidence to substantiate such claims.
kathyodat
Hillary should take up bowling - ten strikes in a row - wow, only two more for a perfect game.
Ill bet AIPAC is lobbying each and every one of those superdelegates right now. What will it take?
* "Would you like some extra campaign funds? You wont get more if you go against us."
* "I notice you that you own a cleaning company. We can get your company a contract for all the cleaning for an entire corporation"
* "Rupert's empire can give you good publicity or bad publicity. Which would you like?"
Hillary is in panic mode. Watch for a meltdown in the debate.
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But only one of us is ready on day one to be commander-in-chief
That's the problem, too eager to be another war hawk. What was she thinking when she went parading around in Iraq touting the war with 100 Yrs McCain. At that time Hillary endorsed McCain for president and he returned the favor.
http://www.nowpublic.com/people/john-mccain-endorses-hillary-clinton-president-maxine
KEM PATRICK February 20th, 2008 3:40 pm
I think you're right.
pollshep February 20th, 2008 3:54 pm
Any bills or speeches on lowering defense spending?
Hillary must have spent some time in the WalMart advertising department, She's now running a
Buy one Clinton, get one free special.
The thing about Obama not reducing defense spending scares me a little. Hopefully it's political posturing so that McCain will not tear him apart. (Mc's only perceived strength is national security, which needless to say, he has all wrong) I think Obama is sincere that he wants to end the wars and start a sane foreign policy. I.E., stop attacking people, talk to everyone, help where needed, spend more money at home. He does talk about things that way. That will allow us to reduce defense spending, a lot.
Hilbill/Superdelegates are the first firewall.
If BO survives that, Jonny is the second. Repubs are not showing their hand regarding BO: that is reserved only if he survives Hilbill.
In any case, BO has been determined to within tolerance limits, otherwise the MIC controlled media would have given him the same treatment as Gravel/Kucinich/Paul, and eliminated him early on from the game.
News Flash!
Clinton, Obama bank major donations from Abramoff's former law firm
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Clinton_Obama_both_bank_major_donations_0219.html
Be careful what you vote for, you just might get it!
An active, energized electorate that's all for ABC--Anyone But Clinton. Something being overlooked is the possibility that an Obama landslide will allow many progressive congressional candidates to the left of Obama to get elected. IMO, having a Congress motivated to undo Bushism--to pull Obama to the left on many issues--is the real opportunity here. For example, a real big step would be for Sheehan to defeat Pelosi, but for that to happen, a real surge of "Obamamania" needs to happen to discourage the republican crossover voters responsible for her gaining and keeping office.
Disclaimer--I've read and posted links to Paul Street's essays about Obama, so I do realize his great imperfection. But somehow I don't see in him the evil I know exists within Clinton and McCain.
All you Obama haters on the right, "take heart." Just think about how "marvelous" it will be when W's momma gets that pretty white dress, high heels, and wig out to "da Terminator" in the California governor's mansion, with Pat Robertson ready to rush in as a "lovely flower girl" at the fake gay wedding in the White House between W and "da Terminator" with those muscular buttocks tying the not with W, and Diebold right ready to steal like crazy just like in 2004. Sure it didn't work in the midterm election, but it's the old rule, "You can't steal 'em all." "Some day you'll fall flat on the floor/ and know that your life is a bore. . ." Oh, and this is even if you never did a tour with Ten Years on their big rock show.
I'm with you, karlof1. Obama was not my first choice, but I won't vote for Hillary or McCain. If the Dems nominate someone I can't distinguish from a Republican, I will vote Green.
As for Obama's record in the Senate, he has sponsored or cosponsored 53 bills and resolutions in the current session, including SJR23 to "clarify" that the AUMF nor any other bill includes authorization to attack Iran; S. 115, to roll back some of the tax giveaways to the oil and gas industries; S. 117 to increase benefits to veterans and require reports on the effectiveness of the so-called War On Terrorism; and numerous other bills to support education, veterans' benefits, election fairness, and improve health care. You can look them up at the Library of Congress. Someone misstated the URL above. It is: http://thomas.loc.gov/
The burning question today is have you got your invite to the fake gay marriage in the White House from Poppy himself. I "had better be agetting mine pretty damn soon" or Poppy had better "not expect me" to support a "unified US fascist party" in its quest for the presidency" Come to think about it, he might not anyway. Because I'm democracy's biggest fan. Hey, that's just the way it is.
Regardless, do look for a quick move Poppy and W's momma to unify the GOP, the USA' s official fascist party by joining together W's storm trooper wing with "da terminator's" muscular buttocks wing, thus giving solid support to John McCain "Straight Lies Express" campaign. Now, a lot of the far right and further right are wishing and "praying" for Hilary Rodham Klanton and Mike Huckabee to drop out of the GOP race and get behind McCain. Maybe that won't surprise some folks out there.
Only one of these candidates knows how to really throw away this presidential contest, and will do it with ease, and that is Hilary Rodham Klanton the GOP stealth candidate officially running as a Democrat. She doesn't triangulate, she polyangulates so much so that she doesn't know from one campaign stop to the next where she is supposed to stand, but then she doesn't stand for much anyway, thus it doesn't really matter!
bildad,
As to the Raw Story article, it's interesting, but not much beef there. There's a lot of rich people donating to all sorts of campaigns, some of it very dirty, some slightly tainted because of some arcane connection to someone who once was associated with someone who was accused of something.
There is way too much money needed to run for office, dirty or not.
A lot of people need to work in their states on getting public election financing in their states-- as they did in Arizona and Maine. Eventually it can spread to the federal level.
I post what I believe may happen IF Clinton wins Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas. Right now, I don't believe she will pull that off, but she has to if she wants to be our next president. That'a all I'm sayng about Hillary, whom I don't respect or support. I will vote for her if she is the Demo candidate. I wlll vote for Obama if he is. I do believe Obama is con artist but so is McCain. At least McCain is not telling us, he will pull the troops out of Iraq. I blieve Hillary is the only one who will, and won't start a war with Iran.
I get blasted and called a Hillary lover and a Obama hater for giving a valid opinions here. I am called that by one who has said she is my friend and others whom I find to be rather ammusing and joked with him with a joking bet. He has since become "un-funny". What a shame? _______ Not my shame.