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Jane Fonda, the 'Today' Show and the 'C-Word'
Perhaps you've heard the recent controversy over Jane Fonda using the "c- word" on the "Today" show. But the real story is the one behind the scenes. Knowing I would be interviewing both Jane Fonda and playwright Eve Ensler at an event later that evening, I was watching the "Today" show in real time when Meredith Vieira was interviewing Ensler and Fonda on Valentine's Day about the 10 year anniversary of V-Day, the global movement to end violence against women and girls that raises funds and awareness through benefit productions of Ensler's award-winning play "The Vagina Monologues". When talking about all the "A-list celebrities" that have been attracted to helping V-Day, Vierra posed a somewhat quizzical question to Fonda: "You at first were not a big fan of the play. So what turned you around?" Jane was a little taken back, and went on to correct her with the factual story. "Well, it wasn't that I wasn't a big fan - I hadn't seen the play - I live in Georgia, OK?" she explained. "I was asked to do a monologue called "C--t". And I said, I don't think so, I have enough problems." She went on to talk about finally going to New York and seeing the play, which she credited with changing her life, and the impact of her many years traveling all around the world with Eve on behalf of V-Day, performing the play and meeting with and helping violence survivors.
The interview had actually seemed to proceed without any further ado, until about 10 minutes later after the segment, when they suddenly cut from a local news segment back to Vieira, who said somewhat sheepishly, "We were talking about 'The Vagina Monologues' and Jane Fonda inadvertently said a word from the play that you don't say on television. It was a slip and obviously she apologizes, and so do we. We would do nothing to offend the audience. So please accept that apology." However, that certainly didn't settle it - the clip and story spread like wildfire over the Internet, in the news and entertainment headlines, on the blogs, on shows like "Access Hollywood", "Extra" and "The O'Reilly Factor", even becoming the focus of David Letterman's Top Ten List about her using the "c-word" ("Jane Fonda Excuses"). At a star-studded event to celebrate V-Day's ten year anniversary a few hours later, Fonda responded to the entertainment show "Extra" about the incident (which they called her "live 'c-word' fiasco"): "I didn't mean to offend anybody - I just didn't even think about it. What's the big deal?" On "Access Hollywood", asked again about the incident, she had to keep apologizing. "I'm sorry it's been a controversy." She also had fellow V-Day supporters coming to her defense. Said Brooke Shields, "Again - bleep me out. I just don't think c--t is a controversial word. I find it frightening and sad that there was an outrage - gasp - that Jane Fonda said it....it is just a word." Added Glenn Close, "I can say 'vagina' now - out loud! Let's test TV - I can also say "c--t",' she laughed, knowing it would later be bleeped when the segment aired, which it was.
It was in fact Glenn Close who brought down the house when she personally performed that specific monologue, "Reclaiming C--t" at the star-studded benefit performance of The Vagina Monologues at Madison Square Garden in 2001. It was a short piece in which Close repeatedly said the word again and again, getting louder and louder. "I call it c--t. I've reclaimed it. I really like it. C--t. Just listen to it: c--t!" Close dropped to her knees, raising her arm and shouting in triumph. That monologue is just one of many, varied and empowering monologues, serious and joyful, humorous and sad, based on Eve's interviews with 200 women about their vaginas (at the same Madison Square Garden event, Jane Fonda performed "I Was There in the Room", a moving monologue Ensler wrote to describe the experience of witnessing the birth of her grandchild.)
It feels strangely ironic and weirdly coincidental that the 10 year anniversary of V-Day would be marked with an outcry over a word used for 'vagina' (which unfortunately just so happened to be one of 7 words that the FCC has listed as offensive). When Eve first started performing the play Off Broadway in 1996, the word "vagina" was rarely used except in a medical context and very much taboo, so its use in the title and play itself was scandalous. Today, much thanks to The Vagina Monologues, the word "vagina" is now used quite commonly and openly, in headlines, on talk shows, on entertainment programs, even inspiring other cute nicknames like "va-jay-jay." Yet while the play freed women to use the word and talk openly about their bodies, it also sparked something else, even more far-reaching. When women would come up to Ensler after the play night after night and reveal their own personal stories of surviving varied forms of violence, Ensler decided she had to do something about it, launching V-Day, staging thousands of benefit performances of The Vagina Monologues around the world, including a run on Broadway, featuring numerous guest celebrities. V-Day has since raised over 50 million dollars for local anti-violence groups in over 120 countries.
It may have been the "c-word" that got all the attention, but on that same "Today" show, Ensler debuted a new "f-word", which went largely unnoticed. "After ten years, I can fundamentally say that there is a global pattern which I am now calling "femicide" that is systemically undermining, undoing and desecrating women". Vieira revealed that her colleague Ann Curry was "finding that out in Africa, the worst cases of rape in the world right now." Ensler agreed. "I was in the Congo in November and it is an incredible example - 200,000 women raped over the past ten years.... And yet it is still accepted because it is so intricate and so a part of our everyday life." Fonda then spoke proudly about V-Day's programs to help address the problem there, including "building a whole village so that 100 women can stay and heal. And then become leaders."
Eight hours after Jane Fonda's infamous "c-word" incident, I interviewed her at the V-Day gala anniversary event at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City. Fonda was emotional as she spoke to me about the 10 year anniversary of V-Day. "We are all so proud of everything that V-Day's done - it's just totally amazing that a little work of art that she created Off-Broadway has become this global movement that has made such a difference."
I then asked her about how knowing Eve and V-Day had personally affected her. "Before I saw Eve perform The Vagina Monologues, I could describe myself as a theoretical feminist - I mean, I was doing the right things and making the right movies, but behind the closed doors, in my life I wasn't living it. And after I saw The Vagina Monologues - I think while I was laughing - it slipped from my head into my body, and I became an embodied feminist. And just spending so much time with Eve and traveling in many parts of the world with her - it's made me braver, it's certainly made me understand violence against women a lot more. You know, I have it in my family [Fonda's mother, who killed herself when she was twelve, had been sexually abused], I have it among my friends - but seeing it in so many different parts of the world has really brought it home to me, how epidemic it is."
She added, "But then next to that is watching - particularly I think in Jerusalem, when Eve and I visited a home for abused girls, and she asked to meet with six or seven of them, and they were all together for the first time telling their stories. And there were two things - it was the way Eve listened to them. I learned what therapeutic listening is. The way she listened and asked questions, you could tell that it was transforming these girls and then the fact that they were for the first time hearing each other stories showed me the value of breaking the wall of silence, and becoming sisters. It was very powerful. It changed my life."
She also spoke about the importance of changing the "mindset and mentality" that produces violence. "I think that's partly the value of the play. I remember when I first saw it there were a number of men in the audience as well. And I think it does change men as well as women - and the movement changes men as well as women. And that's why I am so excited that men are going to be involved in New Orleans." Fonda was here referring to V-Day's must-go-to, two day historic mega anniversary celebration, V to the Tenth, taking place in New Orleans at the New Orleans Arena and Louisiana Superdome, in which Fonda will appear along with an esteemed list of noted speakers, global activists and stars such as Oprah Winfrey, Salma Hayek, Sally Field, Glenn Close, Jessica Alba, and Jennifer Hudson (and many others) to raise money and awareness for V-Day and for the women of New Orleans, as well as to reflect on the intersection of many issues that contribute to violence, and to tragedies such as what happened in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Says Fonda of V to the Tenth, "It's going to be fun, on a lot of levels. And as always in the V-Day events, we're going to laugh and we're going to cry and we're going to create sisterhood and brotherhood and we're going to help the women of New Orleans. "
Aside from helping women in the literal gender sense, Fonda sees the valuing of feminine values and attributes as "very connected to the planet. There was a reason that for ancient peoples, God was Sophia. I think the rising of the feminine, within the masculine, the feminization of masculinity, is going to be critical to our survival as a species and as a planet."
I should probably reveal that I was on the founding committee of V-Day with Eve, so I can truly appreciate the incredible accomplishments of V-Day - and the depth of Jane Fonda's commitment to V-Day and this issue. I still remember sitting in Eve Ensler's living room, when V-Day was struggling over financing for the Madison Square Garden event, when Eve announced with such excitement and relief that Jane Fonda had just pledged 1 million dollars. So I felt rightfully defensive about this "c-word" attack on Jane, and also befuddled that this was the "story" that the media chose given the opportunity to cover V-Day's 10 year anniversary. As Eve Ensler reminded the audience at the event later that evening, "According to the U.N., one of every three women will be beaten, raped or abused in some fashion in their lifetime." This, in my opinion, should have been what made the news that night, and every night, until as V-Day so boldly aims for, the violence stops. Given it was a Presidential election season, I asked Ensler what we should be demanding of our leaders. She answered, "We should be saying of every candidate that you need to make violence against women a front and center issue. And none of them are doing that." How can we expect them to, when the media - and the public - would rather obsess about a meaningless and inadvertent use of a slang word?
For more on V-Day and V to the Tenth visit www.vday.org
This article originally appeared at The Huffington Post.
Marianne Schnall is a writer and interviewer, founder of Feminist.com, and co-founder of EcoMall.com.
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A Feminist Critique of Exchange
Despite the gentle name, the critique is solid and essential reading.
A country that fears words is dangerous.
Ignore the homeless, buy votes, pollute the Earth, beat protesters, and taser non-violent people but DO NOT say C***!
Okay. Right. I agree. It is silly to be wasting time "obsessing about the meaningless and inadvertent use of a slang word" when so many larger issues are at stake. On the other hand, shouldn't Jane Fonda have been smart enough to avoid the whole flap in the first place by avoiding the slang expression? I have lost patience with the way our side gives the other side openings like this one. The real question should be "What the HELL was Jane Fonda thinking??"
What did we expect? The Oxford English Dictionary still defines "clitoris" as "the homolog to the male penis." Precisely, anatomically and evolutionarily BACKWARD as usual!
c--t. Well is it cu-t or cl-t? What the f-ck are they talking about?
I can't even get this question past the electronic censor.
well, lookie there. I can't say c-t or f-k on cd. Wow, and what I had to say had to do with the fact that making men more feminine leads women to f-k guys named Stick at hog rallies.
We worry about a word while people lose their homes our schools fail our students, our air control equipment deteroriates, thousands die in Iraq. Grow up America
Wow! What a waste of bandwidth. Is there nothing the Military Industrial Media won't do to deflect scrutiny of itself?
....one of 7 words that the FCC has listed as offensive.
Mmmm, and Americans don't find the following offensive? Annihilation, war, nuclear and biological weapons, genocide, depleted uranium, slaughterhouse, poverty, tazers, fundamentalist religions, etc, etc, etc.
This is pointless. Why did CommonDreams put this up in place of anything about what occured in Serbia/Kosovo over the weekend?
Thanks for raising the bar, CommonDreams!
"Mmmm, and Americans don't find the following offensive?"
i love this game.
here's a few words we should be concerned about as well.
"And in the general hardening of outlook that set in … practices which had been long abandoned … — imprisonment without trial, the use of war prisoners as slaves, public executions, torture to extract confessions, the use of hostages and the deportation of whole populations — not only became common again, but were tolerated and even defended by people who considered themselves enlightened and progressive."
george orwell
1984
Duplicate post...
Why didn't Fonda travel to the mideast for a photo-op with Al Qaeda to "help out" today's peace movement?
Holy Moly! All this hullabaloo about a slang word for a part of the human body. Hey! Didn't George Carlin do something like this back in the '70's, only it was on a record?
How about the real nasty slang word (two words, actually) that no one should dare use, ever: collateral damage.
When the Bangladesh War for Independence happened in 1970-71 (?), I was starting 9th grade. Reports in MSM reported mass murders and wide spread rape. The women and girls were then rejected by their families.
Nixon supported the Pakistanis but Congress India and Bangladesh (then East Pakistan- Having about 60% of Pakistan's population, it recieved less than 10 % of the national budget.
There are diffewrent versions of misogynist societies. Isn't the obscene amount of money the US spending on death and destruction yet another version? Not to mention widespread violence against girls and women.
From Bread and Roses c. 1912
As we come marching, marching, we bring the greater days.
The rising of the women means the rising of the race.
It's an old english word, used since the days when Chaucer was around...
This article does expose one thing I loath about yank tv, all 'nasty' words are bleeped. What does that really accomplish? I usually came up with much more offensive words to fill the gaps when younger, sparked a bit of creativity in me. The CBC will broadcast almost any sort of language, unless you're advocating hatred of any group of humans, even then they'll quote what others have said on the news programs.
Inga Muscio, are you laughing loudly yet?!!! For those unfamiliar with Inga. go to:
http://www.ingalagringa.com/
This country is full of contradictions, and this is simply another one. We also follow closely and cheer at the saving of Michael Vick's pit bulls, while ignoring an entire nation brought to its bloody knees as we cause the death of hundreds of thousands of its citizens. So the right wing blows an artery over the spoken title of a monologue that happens to be a four-letter word. They are angry at the way their rule turned out, the power that may be slipping out of their hands soon, and they are casting about for targets for their anxiety, fear, and utter rage. Fonda is an old and much punctured target. Her resurfacing with a minor verbal faux pas is met with screams of delighted and frenzied disgust. This is all pathological behavior. They are freaking nuts at this point.
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Oh NOES!!
skippyagogo41,
Take the word "bullshit" for instance. "Bull" and "shit" both have an old English etymology. "Bison feces" is acceptable because both are Latin (Roman Empire). English has a linguistic imperialism about it that many other languages simply don't have. If it's not Latin, it's not kosher.
mairs: couldn't have said it better - thanks.
two more words in conjunction that are obscene and should be banished:
DICK Chaney and George BUSH.
I've got another use for the 'C' word.
I made two comments on Frida's thread about nukes and next minute I see on my Sitemeter a 'long' visit which was revealed to be the UNITED STATES SOUTHERN COMMAND (I wrote a post about it). Haven't those 'C's got anything better to do?
Be assured: everyone here is being watched and your details, especially if you advocate no nukes and no wars, are being recorded. Smile for the camera!
www.dangerouscreation.com
I'd like to add that had Jane NOT used the "c" word that morning on the Today show, I never would have known about V-day and all their good work. I don't watch TV news programs or read local papers. The media exposure that has resulted from that interview with Meredith, has done way more good than harm. I'm a firm believer in "everything happens for a reason". Thank you Jane.
Thanks to Jane Fonda . . .
We might actually get
C
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of the list of banned words --- !!!
And, thanks to Jane Fonda . . . WAR is a dirty word --- !!!
I'm with you Jane --- thank you again !!!
Sincere request for help - some men sling this 4-letter word as the nastiest thing they can call a woman. I never know how to respond other than to feel tremendous shame, and anger. There is tremendous wisdom on c.d. ... can someone please help me understand why some men do that - and how to intelligently respond?
Thank you c.d. for printing this article.
I just tried to post a comment that talked about explitives and I used some explitives in my discussion. And the post disappeared. Censorship on commondreams? How sad.
I would like to respond to the comments that criticize Jane Fonda because she used the word. To APEuroHistory, in particular, who asks 'what was Jane thinking' when she said c-t on television, hey, Jane was being human. She was not reading a script. She was speaking as a real person, APEuro, give her a break. Having performed Ensler's work and working with V-day for many years, Jane, apparently, is more comfortable with edgey language than you are, APEuroHistory. Say, APEuro, are you in AP h.s. History? Maybe you just haven't lived long enough to know that all humans, even famous ones, are real, vulnerable, flawed and perfect all at the same time.
Jane has probably used the word in countless private conversations about her work with V-Day, other feminist initiatives and just ordinary living. I don't edit myself when I talk and let's not put Jane Fonda down for doing it. Jane did nothing wrong.
Juliann, I have some wisdom for you. For what it is worth, I am a 54-year-old mother of a 26-year-old woman. I am a lifelong feminist, an attorney and a writer. I am fairly unconventional, in spite of my professional background. I have learned that even though I mostly only know very liberal people, that even the most liberal people are often disappointly conventional. People get lulled into accepting cultural norms. Have you heard the saying that if you drop a frog into a pot of boiling water, the frog will jump out, saving itself, but if you put the frog in a pot of cold water and bring it to a slow boil, well, the frog will allow itself to be boiled to death, lulled to that death by the subtle, complacent progression of the hot water. Well, in this culture, 'everyone' has been lulled into attitudes, lulled into thinking some language is good and some language is bad. Shakespeare said, somewhere, 'nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so'.
I believe Shakespeare had it right. Nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it good or bad and no where is this concept more true than when talking about language and its meaning. We are all so boiled into our surrounding culture that we forget that we can define language for ourselves.
Throughout my life, I have conducted numerous language experiments, most of them focussed around gender identity. I have tried, in a very small way, to use language in ways that are intended to challenge my listeners, to shake them up. This is where being unconventional comes in. Just about everyone I have ever known would tell you they love unconventional people, they are more interesting, right? But then, go around in life doing unconventional things, and guess what, all these liberal people are boiled into being conventional. They resent unconventional people. It is almost like you can only be unconventional if you are a successful artist and your art is unconventional. Or something. Hey, I'm babbling a bit.
I really am getting to what you say about males using the c=t word, Juliann.
Back when I was in college and law school, amongst all the females I knew, it was considered a big insult to refer to a female as a chick. A chick was, I don't know, denigrating. Guys used to refer to women as chicks when they were objectifying them for their looks, their willingness to have sex, stuff like that. maybe? I don't know exactly how chick was a bad word.
But I did this experiment. I actually still do this. Not all the time but a lot. I began to refer to females as chicks. Some people got what I was doing right away. They realized that I was using chick as a positive reference of females, subverting the negative associations with the word 'chick' by simply claiming my own definition for it.
Like I used to refer to female judges (which were very rare back in the seventies, it is hard to really 'get' how things have changed for women but back then, a chick judge was, wow, amazing, just that she existed) as chick judges. I had so many 'discussions' with lawyer colleagues about this. Most people insisted I was wrong to say chick judge but I persisted in using the phrase because to me, all it mean was female judge. I wasn't saying skank judge or whore judge. Chick. Chick is cute, I think. Plus I was trying to be edgey. I was always trying, back in my younger days, to push gender thinking in ways like this.
But I did not dare to experiment with c=t back then. It has always been considered an extremely fowl insult in my worlds.
Times change. I bet that I have been affected by the V-day efforts. I was not really aware of Ensler's work fighting violence against women until I read this column on commondreams today but I am happy to give Ensler credit for shifting this culture's thoughts on language around feminine body parts. If Ensler work had contributed to a wider acceptance of the word 'vagina', well, thank goddess for Ensler's work. My point is that in the past ten years, I have grown more and more assertive (lots of people see assertive women as aggressive, Juliann, what do you think, is assertive aggression?) about language.
One thing that has happened to me is I have undergone menopause. Oh my gosh, there are huge swaths in this culture who are shocked when a woman says she is experiencing menopause symptoms. We aren't supposed to talk about it or something? I don't get that but lots of folks feel this way. Me, I have persisted in surrounding myself with feminist friends. When I became perimenopausal, I made a very conscious decision to talk about my experience as an aging women and I have been blessed with many friends who also talk about it. I am not saying all the women I know talk about it, but many do.
I love finding myself at a meeting, sitting next to a menopausal woman, who says 'is it hot in here or is it me?' Thirty years ago, when I was in my twenties, you never heard a statement like that. Since women in this culture are valued like chattel, values for their appearance, and since older women are less attractive than younger ones, no women in those days (I am sure there were some but a statistically negligible number) wanted to announce to the world that they were old enough to be even thinking about menopause. In those days, all women still hid their age, for example. I know that in 2008, there are still many women who try to hide how old they are. . . but not women that I tend to be friends with. And certainly not me.
I talk about my menopause. Openly. In any circle. If I feel like it.
So, Juliann, you can begin to think about how you talk about those aspects of your life that tend to be female experiences, i.e. things that only happen to women, like childbirth, menstruation (that's another word I like to toss around casually), perimenopause, hot flash, night sweats, menopause. You can, on a very small scale, the scale of one, toss a new attitude about language for female reality into the human pool. You, one single person, can shift the culture in which you swim, sending tiny ripples just like a tiny pebble will send ripples through the sea and in doing this, you can begin to shift the reality of language.
I suggest that if you begin to experiment with langauge related to female-only experiences, using this feminist langauge in front of both men and women, well, you will find your relationship to lots of language begin to change. I just bet that you will find a new relationship to the C word.
I just bet that if you begin to grow more comfortable speaking about the experience of being female, you will begin to hear the C word differently.
Yes, men often use the C word as a deeply denigrating way to refer to a female, or to a chick. Or a skank or a ho. But dear Juliann, you do not have to feel any shame of anger when a male makes an ugly, bigoted statement. If a male refers to a woman as a C and it is his intention to be denigrating or shaming, that is about him. don't take his bigotry on as your own. Right inside yourself, Juliann, you can reject that distinction. Maybe you can hear C and tell yourself something like this 'oh, that's right, I have a body part, a vagina, it is the source of all feminine power, it is the source of human life itself, it is a powerful thing and men have deep vagina envy because they do not have this power and in their own weakness and vagina envy, they have chosen to give the word vagina an ugly, insulting name but I refuse to own that ugliness. I have a C, that's all there is to it, I have a vagina and sometimes it is called a C" Well, you get the idea. You can take on that A-hole's crap when he says C or you can reframe it.
How to intelligently respond if you hear a male refer to a female as a C? See the above paragraph. If the male in question is someone you otherwise respect, i.e. if you wish to grow your relationship with this male, then you might ask him if perhaps he has vagina envy, perhaps he has a deep-rooted insecurity that women are the givers of life and don't really need men? You can ask him sweetly, lovingly. Or you can ask him like a witch. It depends on your relationship with the aforesaid male and how you wish to go forward. But at no time, Juliann, should you EVER feel shame and anger because some male with vagina envy is insulting women. that's his stuff, not yours. don't take it on.
I have found that it usually makes most males very angry when I challenge their attitudes about women. When I was young and cared more about what other people thought, I watched myself dial back, allowing men's anger to shape my inner reality. this is what you are doing, Juliann when you feel shame and anger when a man say C as an insult. don't let others shape your inner or outer reality. Take back language.
It has taken me a lifetime but in just the past year or two, I have begun to use the C word. I can't believe it can't be printed or spoken on television. I have a C. My daughter came from there. It is sacred. I guess I can see why males feel disempowered when facing the reality of the vagina. I guess I can see why some pueling, weak males want to disempower women by coming up with an ugly word for my vagina but I won't give them this power.
As I have said, I have played games with language all my life. The C word is the trickiest word I have ever played around with. It has all kinds of power associated with it, power I don't fully grasp. But I know intuitively, and powerfully, that any word for my central female organ, the organ that gave me the power to give life, well, it should be a powerful thing and we should refer to this aspect of humanity, the vagina, with great reverence and we shouldn't use ugly words. It is complex. But every once in awhile, I use the C word.
I may not be right but this is still, sorta kinda, a free country and I am still free to speak as I wish. It might not matter if my goofy language games change how anyone perceives the words vagina or C. . . . but it surely matters that I feel free to speak as I wish.
I know this is too long and way too rambley -- I am home sick today! -- but I am laughing right now, thinking of a young woman I met about ten years ago. She was a student at Smith College and she had gotten a summer internship at Ms Magazine, which was still headquartered in NYC (I lived on the E. Coast at the time, near Smith). She was a neighbor. She overheard me using the word chick. I was using it very casually, telling some story and I said something like 'and then this chick said'. She was furious with me. She interrupted the conversation, actually ended it, with her anger. And then several times over the next couple weeks, she sought me out to criticize me for using the word chick. How can you call yourself a feminist and refer to females as chicks? I tried to tell her what I am trying to tell you, Juliann. I tried to tell her that I was subverting gender chauvinism, that I was reclaiming the word chick to give it a positive spin and that I was fully free to do so, that part of being a feminist, at least for me, was about me getting to show up in the world any way I choose. She went off to NYC for her internship, we never really had much interaction. She seemed to despise me just because I said chick as a synonym for female. I did not take on her anger and judgement. Real change, Juliann, is not going to come about at rallies on the White House lawn. It is going to come about over the dinner table, eating with your neighbors and saying chick in a positive way and not letting your listeners define your reality.
Words with C and our leaders:
criminals
carpet baggers
cruel
craven
crazy
callous
covert
CIA
chaos
calamity
congress
Coulter
Cheney
Clinton
cowardice
Somehow I don't believe that at age 57, I'll ever be saying the "c" word out loud. I still think it's an ugly and unnecessary word. I was born a feminist - been activist since the age of 16 - still not willing to have that word as part of my vocabulary.
But I have to tell you about the word chick! When men use the word chick as kind of a put down, I tell them "Hmmm a chick is a dumb little furry animal that pecks on the ground. So what you're telling me you're looking for ... peckers?"
That's where the topic usually get changed, and quickly.
Hahaha oh my I needed that laugh!
"But I did not dare to experiment with c=t back then. It has always been considered an extremely fowl insult in my worlds." --Treefitz
Baby, unless it's got feathers, I think you mean Foul here, applying to C--t, not Fowl. Fowl would be more appropriate in alluding to Chick than to C--t.
But I do thank you for your lengthy writeup. From your context, I understand now that Jane said CU_T, rather than CL_T. I could not discern from the article which word she used, and if I had guessed I would have guessed wrong. But a chick like Barbarella, in my expert opinion, can use either word with authority and eclat.
Sorry about the confusion, and all the embarrassment I caused the intrepid webmeisters here. I do not own a television, and I have not watched the Today Show since that C--t Katie Couric replaced the much better looking Deborah Norvel.
C-CK, D-CK, PR-CK, W-NG, D-NG, ,J-NSON, S-LOMIE, SCHL-NG, WE- WE-, Th-re l s-id it and l am gl-d l d-n't c-re wh-t anyb-dy th-nks.
Julieann asks---
Sincere request for help - some men sling this 4-letter word as the nastiest thing they can call a woman. I never know how to respond other than to feel tremendous shame, and anger. There is tremendous wisdom on c.d. … can someone please help me understand why some men do that - and how to intelligently respond?
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As far as the "why?" cultural patriarchal mysogyny would seem to be the best answer.
As far as to what to say in response, as a man my temptation is to tell you to say something like,"why should I care what a prick like you says?", but that doesn't really answer your question and risks further verbal or even physical assault.
Perhaps the enlightened educational thing to say is, "that's right, I have one of those, I also have all the other body parts that make someone a human, don't you?"
I hope this gives you some way to engage their minds (such as they are) instead of their hormones.
You know, I think this is an instance where context is everything. Jane was using the word to answer a question. She didn't call anyone the word or use it abusively against a person (which is, sadly, its' usual context). As the author herself said, this was one of those wing nut abberrations that gets way out of hand and I would have applauded if Jane had said, "No actually, I don't apologize for the use of that word. I was actually just answering a simple question as straightforwardly as possible, which is Washington DC is an altogether lost skill."
I think Jodie Foster was referred to as a magnificent C**t in a Spike Lee movie recently in which she replied, "Thank You".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lfs1UIKALQ
TREEFROG -- Yes, it was in "INSIDE MAN' that Jodie was praised so, by the Major of NY (I seem to recall). I liked Denzel in this pix as well.
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Juliann, I have always interpreted men calling women a c**t as representative of their own deep frustrations and insecurities. I think this can come from various angles, but it typically seems to boil down to anytime a woman asserts her power to a man. Since many men have internalized their male-privilege, when that taken-for-granted privilege is thwarted they lash out with words they think will have maximum shock value. This is facilitated by the taboo nature of the word c**t, so repeated use by women can help take away the shock power of the word as the vagina monologues seems to have done for the V-word.
For me, I have actually considered this "insult" to be a compliment. You see, I wasn't born with a c**t, and had to go through hell to get where I am at today... so when on the few occasions that I *have* been called a c**t, I have smiled or laughed, and that has definitely not been the desired effect. So I hope if you are ever called a c**t again, you are able to recognize that this is a reflection of your power, and not a cause for feeling shame or anger.
Jane Fonda was using the word in relation to a play she was doing - it is not like she actually called someone that. Kiefer Sutherland's mother was also in the Vagina Monologues at one point.
"Please do us all a favor and take a long walk off a short pier, you spineless, leftist, Canadian c--t." - what Chris Hill said to Linda McQuaig after losing a battle of wits (he had to have or why would he call her that!).
Men usually use it when they are in a battle of wits and out of ammo or when they think a woman is getting too "uppity."
I am sure that the average politician has said worse. Oh yes ...
Wednesday, October 13, 2004
Mr. Rahim Jaffer Edmonton—Strathcona, CPC): Mr. Speaker, on October 8 it was reported that a Toronto film company used classified ads to search for "the perfect penis". The project received three separate grants totalling over $133,000 from the Canadian Television Fund.
Why would the government fund such a project? The answer lies with the Prime Minister and the teachings of Freud. The hypothesis is that the Prime Minister related a search for a perfect penis to the search for the perfect caucus. Not only frustrated by having such a small caucus for a governing party, the Prime Minister suffers the humiliation of having a smaller caucus than his predecessor, Jean Chrétien.
The Prime Minister is distraught over the fact that he could not elect a majority. Worse, Jean Chrétien, a man older than he, brags that he did it three times. If the envy of the predecessor's parliamentary-hood was not enough, the challenges of the passage of the throne speech has created performance anxiety, causing the Prime Minister to order the first two votes of his new Parliament as confidence.
To avoid a crisis we would recommend that the Prime Minister stop popping Velotrin and just accept what he has: a minority.
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=38&Ses=1&DocId=1402311
Air Farce skit on the topic (scroll down to Film Funding Spokesperson (2:01)):
http://www.sketchcom.com/video/041015.html
mwb26810 - noticed the Toronto Star gave it a good rating - what does it have to do with the topic?
Would c--t be the same as B--h?
Vaudree--Rahim Jaffer sounds like my kind of legislator!
Marlene Dietrich once said that Americans are obsessed with sex, Europeans do it. Only a sick, polluted and perverse mind would lend such a horrible connotation to a word describing the female sexual organ.
And Jane, move out of Georgia for heavens' sakes. You're losing brain cells by the minute in that state.
Surely people must realize all the hulabaloo is not about the word. People don't freak out about words, generally. They find words that describe the "dirty" parts of the human body--vagina, penis, testicles, anus--offensive because they are ashamed of their bodies. It is startling that men and women, all over the world, thousands and thousands and thousands of years after first appearing on the earth--are still hung up about their genitals.
Poet, maybe if he is double booked, you can stand in for him on his wedding night. (see his wikipedia entry for explanation)
If you read the entire BBC article, think of Elmer Fudd, but in my quote I am only settling a long standing debate:
The Origins and Common Usage of British Swear-words
A slightly more bawdy use of the word appears in Carry On Don't Lose Your Head, one of a series of British comedy films of the 1960s, in which actress Joan Sims refers to her husband, 'The Count', deliberately pronouncing the word 'Count' with just enough room to be (mis)interpreted while still getting past the British film censors.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/A753527
If we only changed all "c"s to "b"s it would be a lot easier.
The world is filled with dangerous bunts, most of them in positions of power.
Warning: contains loarse canguage
http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/22_single_player.html?archive/2006-2007/nov_7/politicsindepth_pg
RE: They find words that describe the "dirty" parts of the human body
There is a cure for that - it is called bathing. ;)
In my opinion, the FCC was put in place to protect politicians - can't remember whether it was the Senate or Congress but Bick Cheney told someone to go buck themselves. If Cheney is going to let his true feelings slip like that, not only should it be on the news non bleeped, but it should be captioned underneath so that the hard of hearing don't miss out on it.
beelaboola,
I disagree. Arse/a**hole, c*nt, pr*ck, etc. are Anglo-Saxon/Germanic/Norse in origin. We're ashamed of them because of vestigial/latent imperialism of the Roman Empire. If it's not Latin, it's not for polite company. But the bottom line is that they reference the same biological parts. It's NOT because we're ashamed of our biology, it's because Europeans have been told to reject our indigenous religions, customs, etc. -- and language itself.
I'm not kidding here -- remember that Catholic Mass used to be held in Latin, scientific naming conventions for species are still in Latin (though this seems to be modernizing), etc.
Check this site out, don't take my word for it: http://www.etymonline.com/
Q: What do they call the useless piece of skin attached to a penis?
A: A man.
Namasti
Yep, that is the one. I liked the collaboration of that film between the actor/actress and director. Mr. Forty acres and a mule.
Someone made a similar comment earlier, but I just had to add my own version. Suppose we were to ban the use of Dick and Bush, both of which are commonly used, and often abused, references to the male and female sex organs. How ironic that the "heads" of state are actually named Dick and Bush(although this is only hair, not the "real thing"). Imagine Dick getting into a lather and entering the Bush White House. This has all kinds of interesting connotations, but I bet it would get past the FCC and Jon Stewart would not have to bleep out the words. Whaddya think?
peace,
st john
ROFL. Jon Stewart did do a thing called "You don't know Dick," but your play on words is even better. Someone should send it to him...
Many people are at a loss for a response when someone says "you don't know
Dick Schitt". Now, You can handle the situation.
Dick is the only son of Awe Schitt and O. Schitt. Awe Schitt, the
fertilizer magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Knee-deep Schitt, Inc.
In turn, Dick Schitt married Noe Schitt and the deeply religious couple
produced 6 children: Holie Schitt, The twins; Deep Schitt and Dip Schitt,
Fulla Schitt, Giva Schitt and Bull Schitt, a high school dropout.
After being married for 15 years Dick and Noe divorced. Noe later married
Mr. Sherlock and because her kids were living with them, she wanted to
keep her previous name. She was known as Noe Schitt-Sherlock.
Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt and they produced a cowardly son, Chicken
Schitt. Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt were inseparable throughout childhood
and consequently, married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony.
The Schitt-Happens children are Dawg, Byrd and Horse. Bull Schitt the
prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently returned with his
new bride, Pisa Schitt.
Now, when someone say's you don't know Dick Schitt, you can correct them.