It's up to the Superdelegates to Prove Democrats Believe in Democracy
It will be a travesty if party apparatchiks choose a presidential candidate against the wishes of ordinary voters
In December, the president of Uzbekistan, Islam Karimov, stood for re-election. Karimov, a one-time ally in the "war on terror" who in 2002 had one opposition leader boiled alive, has long faced criticism from human rights groups and the United Nations. Having already served two terms, he was not even eligible to stand. A minor detail for a man like Karimov. His three opponents all endorsed him and did not ask Uzbeks to vote for them. Those who would not endorse him were disqualified and imprisoned. Karimov won the day with 88.1% of the vote.
There is a profound difference between holding an election and having a democracy. Elections are the best means that we have come up with so far for giving people a voice in the running of their affairs. Democracy is the system which ensures that voices are heard by empowering them with the ability to change those who run our affairs.
Elections, in and of themselves, are a purely technical matter. The authorities name the day, tell the voters, provide the booths and the equipment. The voters make their choice. The authorities then tally the results. But, as we know from countless incidences, from Kenya to Florida, the technical elides effortlessly into the political. Which day? Which voters? Where are the booths? How does the equipment work? Who's counting? Whose votes count? All this has a bearing on the result. That's why democracy, if it is working, gives us the right to kick out the authorities.
Since the beginning of January, the Democratic party in the US has held elections that have provided great excitement and held the attention of much of the world. We are about to see if its commitment to democracy is equally impressive. Having started this election season with scenes of rural folk gathering in frontrooms and schoolhalls to stand up and be counted, the final decision is now likely to be made by party apparatchiks accountable only to themselves. Or worse still, the courts.
For the one thing we do know at this stage is that unless something dramatic happens, winning the Democratic primaries and winning the Democratic nomination will not be the same thing. The elections we have all been watching account for 80% of the total voting delegates who will nominate the candidate. The remaining 20% goes to "superdelegates" - Democratic legislators, governors, former presidents and vice-presidents, and other party officials.
At present, Barack Obama is winning by a narrow margin. By most calculations, voters have given him around 133 more elected delegates than Hillary Clinton - a mere one-eighth of the total in states yet to vote. Predictions of Clinton's imminent demise - like most other predictions in this race - are premature. It is far more conceivable that she will turn this around by April than it was on New Year's Day that Obama would be the frontrunner. This race has the peculiar distinction of being both volatile and close.
So close in fact that the superdelegates will almost certainly determine the outcome. If they do, it will not just have the potential of making the entire process a travesty of democracy but also a tragedy for the Democratic party. For if the superdelegates go against the popular will of the voters, whoever emerges as "victor" will enter the presidential election shorn of democratic legitimacy and devoid of electoral credibility. Indeed in much the same shape as George Bush emerged in 2000 after Florida.
In short, it would be a monumental own goal. The Democrats are passionate about their candidates. A recent Gallup poll showed that 80% of Democrats were more enthusiastic about voting this year than in previous elections - the highest figure since the question was first asked in 2000. Meanwhile, almost 50% of Republicans said they were less enthusiastic than usual - also the highest on record. This enthusiasm has been borne out in the polls. So far 15.7 million Democrats have voted in primaries compared with just 10.9 million Republicans. In Virginia, a swing state waiting to happen, Obama received more votes than the entire Republican field combined.
The effect of party officials overturning whatever decision the voters make would be to squander all the energy and hopefulness that has characterised the campaign so far, leaving the millions who have been drawn into the process for the first time disaffected. Whoever feels hard done by is likely to stay at home during the presidential election.
And that's before we get to Florida and Michigan. These two states decided to hold their primaries in January, in defiance of Democratic party rules. The party warned them beforehand that if they persisted their delegations would be disqualified. They went ahead anyway. The party asked the candidates not to campaign in those states. The candidates obliged. The elections went ahead without them - Clinton won both, but Obama's name was not even on the ballot in Michigan. Now Clinton's camp wants to change the rules and is calling for those delegates to count. The lawyers are on standby.
All this would present a much-needed gift to the Republicans, who are struggling with entirely different demons. They have chosen a candidate. The trouble is, they don't like him. Or at least not enough of them. John McCain, who, barring a miracle, will be nominated in August, was booed last week at an American Conservative Union conference. Since then, his attempt to pose as the presumptive nominee has appeared, well, presumptuous.
Mike Huckabee may not stand a prayer of winning enough delegates to beat McCain at this point - even if he won every contest (which he won't) by a 60-40 margin (which he definitely won't), McCain would still be the nominee. But Huckabee believes in miracles and prays a lot. Last week in Virginia, where McCain won just 51%, he nearly pulled it off. When 49% of an electorate turn out to vote for candidates they know cannot win, they are really voting against the candidate they know will win.
Conversely, while the Democrats may be evenly divided, they are not rancorously split. At this stage, the overwhelming majority would be happy if either Clinton or Obama won. That could change depending on how they win. Obama says superdelegates should respect the wishes of the voters; Clinton says they are part of the process and should exercise their independent judgment. Clinton has found relatively few takers for her position so far.
But these are early days. Over the past few weeks Clinton's huge superdelegate lead has dwindled with her electoral performance. Over the weekend, a number of African-American superdelegates abandoned her and pledged to back Obama, who has a narrow lead in both regular and superdelegates combined. Before this process is over, each candidate could be arguing the opposite.
"It would be a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided," said Nancy Pelosi, the House of Representatives' speaker. Too true. But while Pelosi's argument answers the question about what the superdelegates should do at the party convention in August, it begs another. If superdelegates are going to follow the popular vote anyway, why have them in the first place?
Gary Younge is a Guardian columnist and feature writer based in the US. His most recent book is Stranger in a Strange Land: Encounters in the Disunited States; he is also the author of No Place Like Home, published in 1999
© Guardian News and Media Limited 2008
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Show AllIt seems that most of the writers have no real idea of what a superdelegate is suppose to be doing. The superdelegates are usually elected or appointed government officials who are members of the Democratic Party. They have by their actions shown to be good party regulars who fundraise, knock on doors to get out the vote, questions potential candidates for office, etc. Their function is to help avoid a brokered convention in case of a close outcome from the primary season. THEY ARE NOT RUBBER STAMP DELEGATES AND ARE NOT BOUND LEGALLY, ETHICALLY OR MORALLY TO ANYONE CANDIDATE OR POV. They are citizens with one vote and have the right of conscience in casting that vote. The GA delegates I know are law-abiding citizens and do not scare easily. Bullying and harrassment will not generally work with these individuals as they can give as good, if not better than they get.
No Democratic Party regulars want a brokered convention, a "stolen nomination" and certainly not the bad blood that goes with all that drama. But on the other hand, the Democratic Party is not a governmental entity owned and operated by the people; the money raised by the volunteers is not Obama's or Clinton's or anyone else's to lay claim to, nor are the effort of all the volunteers, who by the way are registered members of the party. I highly suspect that many who voted in this primary season are neither party regulars, registered democrats or elected officials; many are cross-over voters and independents and while I respect them, they do not get to dictate to the party what it will and will not do. You want that type of political party - form your own or go hangout with the Republicans! I do hope most of the readers will show respect to the delegates and wait for the primary season to conclude before screaming about wrongdoing that has not even occured yet and probably won't. The other issue is the Florida and Michigan delegates. Change one rule, change the other. Be careful what you ask for - you just might get it!
riverMAN,
Oh, my, another clever chap!
I would suggest that you take an English course.
Mirfy-erfy,
Your last comment is about as stupid as the email that is going around saying that Obama's brother is a terrorist! By the way, it is also stressing that his middle name is Hussein. If he wins, wait until the press goes after him. . .Don't you all know that about half of us are for Hillary and if you expect us to vote for him, you'd better stop tearing her down. . .or you will get McCain.
Sassy-frassy-Sue,
There is a basic human decency to Obama that no one in their right mind would ever attach to Hillary Clinton. Hillary is known for, among other things, berating Chelsea and reducing her to tears as a child to toughen her up for the real world. This is not the type of person that should have a finger on the red button.
I did a little dabbling on my blog recently, some brainstorming. And while it's clear to me that the Founding Fathers sought ways to limit the expression of democracy among the peasantry, how did they limit democracy among the wealthy?
They may have argued that the peasantry were somewhat illiterate brutes, easily turned against their own interests, landless, women, non-white, poor, etc.
Build all sorts of mechanisms (winner-take all, electoral college, anti-suffrage, etc.) rules to ensure they have no voice.
But what techniques did the Founding Fathers, in their great wisdom, lay down to ensure that extraordinarily wealthy -- but nonethless stupid/illiterate/wasteful/etc. -- people were likewise diminished? Seems that their experiment has run itself dry, and we're now back at 1775.
More evidence of the supremely self-serving and unprincipled tactics of the Clintons.
Huh! You have got to be kidding! You Obama surrogates want the rules about the superdelegates changed, but don't want Florida or Michigan to be counted. I am sure that you think it is fair for some people's vote in Texas to have more power than other people's vote. Give me a break! What a bunch of hypocrites you are. More evidence of the supremely self-serving and unprincipled tactics of the Obamaites.
Self-righteous is his middle name!
"It would be a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided," said Nancy Pelosi, the House of Representatives' speaker.
Ok, why does this logic not apply to impeachment hearings for Cheney?
Clinton says the superdelegates should remain independent and vote for whomever they please, because "those are the rules".
But, when it comes to Florida and Michigan, Clinton doesn't want the election to follow the rules. She wants to change the rules in midstream, sort of like the overbearing kid on the playground who is always making and changing the rules to suit herself.
More evidence of the supremely self-serving and unprincipled tactics of the Clintons.
iammyself -
Vistited Monticello? The guides say "Saturday is in the basement"
Inside the front door (if I remember correctly from my visit in 2000) is a rope hanging from above. Balls with 'monday' 'tuesday', etc. hang on the rope, Jefferson's weekly calendar.
The rope was too long, or the room too short. So there's a hole in the floor and 'saturday' is in the basement.
USAn February 18th, 2008 3:12 pm
"[the Founders] recognize that there were seeds of anarchy in the idea of individual freedom, an intoxicating danger in the idea of equality." [If] "everybody is truly free, without the constraints of birth or rank and an inherited social order," Obama asks, then "how can we ever hope to form a society that coheres?" - "The Audacity of Hope" by Barak Obama (pp. 86-87)
USAn - that is pure Leo Strauss. Ques que vou Leo Strauss? For those of you who haven't had the pleasure, http://www.alternet.org/story/15935. This will provide a beginning. Bottom line: WE MUST HAVE LOCK STEP CONFORMITY AMONG THE MASSES TO MAINTAIN SOCIAL ORDER IN THE REICH!!!
Individual Freedom is always POISON on a Slave Plantation. In fact, it is a death sentence as we have come to discover.
BHO & Leo Strauss, who would have thought. And from his own "ghost written" lips.
WE MUST CRUSH AND DESTROY THE FREEDOMS OF THOSE "HIPPIES" THEY ARE A THREAT TO THE EMPIRE.
My America, an unrepentant genocidal Aryan Slave Empire and greatest single purveyor of violence on the planet in the last 60 years.
Didn't know? Do now. Vote early, vote often, they don't count them the first time. Vote Leonard Peltier for POTUS. Anybody Clinton was afraid to pardon is alright by me.
Peace.
I have an idea Mr. Green Shirt, why not make a shirt with St. Obama on it. You could even put a halo around his head. And then we can all bow to his Harvard highness!
if Obama is scuttled for Bhillery in 2008, I am wearing Green shirts till the 2012 election and will vote Green.
Its time for the big shift to Green. This will be the big test of Democracy. I can't see the 2 party system allowing the Green party in.
Green shirts everybody.
If the superdelegates give her the nomination, I'll vote for McCain in protest. He and Huckabee have more genuine populism running in their veins than Hillary anyway. drbnp48
How about this drbnp48:
If the superdelegates give him the nomination, I'll vote for McCain in protest. He and Huckabee have more genuine populism running in their veins than B. Obama anyway.
And for all of you Obama fans and the organizations that support them like Move On which no longer will get any of my support:
Those of us in states like California who voted for Hillary should expect our superdelegates to vote for her since she won a majority of votes in our states. And, in fact, everyone who registers in California gets a chance to vote, not just those who have the time to spend hours at a caucus.
Give it up! Nothing is fair so suffer in silence, please. . .MoveOn, do another ad on the general and get a whole lot of people thinking progressives are a bunch of nuts. . .
This article continues to say that democrats like both our candidates, implying that we really won't care that much whichever gets the nomination. Let's be clear. Hillary Clinton has taken more corporate money than any other candidate, democrat or republican. If she wins the nomination fairly, my vote will be a write in for Edwards. If the superdelegates give her the nomination, I'll vote for McCain in protest. He and Huckabee have more genuine populism running in their veins than Hillary anyway.
I think we need to address the issue that it shouldn't even be within the power of the various party leaders to essentially negate our vote--talk about an elite making decisions for the rest of us! What happened in Florida is a travesty of major proportions. Look at the number of democrats who live in the state and whose votes will not count in this nominating process. The self-styled leaders of the party didn't ask us what we thought about their decision. So we have the state leaders agreeing to defy the national leaders and the voters get screwed in the process. Great work! Democracy at its finest. We should be parading around with their heads on pikes.
"Their views were enlightened for their time, now they are, like those clever-for-their time gadgets in Jefferson's Monticello, largely obsolete. Aside from the Bill of rights, the US constitution is largely obsolete - a parliamentary system like most modern democracies have is far more democratic. We should start from scratch and institute a second republic."
Jefferson's gadgets may be obsolete (which are those?), but wasn't it he who advocated throwing off the old and starting anew should the old system no longer serve us?
I'm pulling for the new.
"USAn - so you won't even consider the possibility that the founders were creatures of their times, and held many abhorrent views, but were still enlightened in other views, many of which made their way into the Constitution, etc.?"
Their views were enlightened for their time, now they are, like those clever-for-their time gadgets in Jefferson's Monticello, largely obsolete. Aside from the Bill of rights, the US constitution is largely obsolete - a parliamentary system like most modern democracies have is far more democratic. We should start from scratch and institute a second republic.
Can we just take a minute to inject a little reality here?
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/68210?utm_source=embedded_video
- or if that doesn't work -
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/181.html
"iammyself - please, no need to insult fellow CDer's by calling them George Will in disguise."
Point taken - my apologies. I've insulted many here, but never before have I stooped to the level of calling anyone a George Will. Mea culpa.
CommonDreams is my favorite source of thinking on American ideas on all types of issues.The response to most articles are,for the most part,intelligent and articulate;and generally liberal and leftish which is the correct stance in light of present day policies.(IN my humble view).
My query to the editors of CD is can we have a picture of the statistics of age ,gender,religion(if any),etc.The many references to the status quo 'when we attended the JFK inauguration"...."as we said in the 60s, drop-out"...."the unity of communities in the 50s,60s,etc,"?
I think we need to hear more from the under 40s on issues,because they are the one with chidren growing-up and needing a balanced discussion about the issues of the day.
USAn: [If] "everybody is truly free, without the constraints of birth or rank and an inherited social order," Obama asks, then "how can we ever hope to form a society that coheres?"
No wonder the capitalists love O'Bama - he loves their hierarchy! Thanks USAn for delivering unto us some evidence to support our instincts. To answer O'Bama's question: The glue that "coheres"the progressive society that we are building today to replace O'Bama's capitalist gravy train, IS REASON, a capability of all the rabble. Given high quality relevant information, the people arrive at COMMON SENSE conclusions and public policy - check the social democracies (they are all around the world).
The people know that industrial progress should bring them lower cost education, healthcare, transport, food and shelter. The people know that balance of power keeps the militarists in check. The people know that elitists are idiotic/destructive resource allocators and industrial producers and have to be reigned in . The people can self-govern when the system is in place. The people know the constraints that support increased order, increased productivity/prosperity, are not O'Bama's "birth or rank and an inherited social order" but the constraint of REASON, TRUTH, and LOGIC, in the framing and modeling of reality for the decision and policy making that affects the PEOPLE and the PLANET.
Smash your TV with a baseball bat and in the ensuing silence listen to the reason that springs forth out of your own mind.
I find it amazing how easily Mr. Younge glides from his castigation of the Democratic Party for its system of "super-delegates" to his defense of the DNC when it comes to the debacle of depriving Florida and Michigan of their convention delegates because of their misbehavior (actually a maneuver engineered primarily by the Republican legislature...hmm)in daring to make their own decisions of when they wanted to hold their presidential primaries. The voters also spoke in these states, Mr. Younge, but the difference seems to be that they spoke in a way that, had their voice been listened to, it would have favored the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. Oh, but Mr. Younge says, they were told before hand that they would face this Party sanction if they made this decision; ignoring the equally true fact that primary voters in all states knew (or should have known if they had any political literacy) that there would be delegates at the convention that were not selected in the primaries. For myself, I denounce BOTH Mrs. Clinton's campaign for trying to reclaim the Florida/Michigan delegates after having agreed to go along with the early-primary sanction; and organizations associated with Mr. Obama's campaign for demanding that pressure be put on the super-delegates to vote as the primary voters in their states had voted. Fair is fair, is was unfair both for Mrs Clinton's and Mr. Obama's campaigns to try to alter the rules of political engagement after they had already been established.
iammyself - please, no need to insult fellow CDer's by calling them George Will in disguise. I also did not say Americans are dumb, I noted that many on CD have made that comment when discussing how it could be that the neocons get away with things.
USAn - so you won't even consider the possibility that the founders were creatures of their times, and held many abhorrent views, but were still enlightened in other views, many of which made their way into the Constitution, etc.?
restive - I have read parts of People's History. Awesome book, but also see my response to USAn.
CD is a great forum, and 99.9% of the posters are much more knowledgeable than myself. But sometimes (let's say 15% of the time) it reminds me of my "Ayn Rand" days long ago, where responses to issues were basically knee-jerk.
Kane Jeeves,
"I think the founders did a pretty good job trying to balance things."
If you haven't read People's History of the US, please do so, if you have the time. Thanks.
"It would be a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided," said Nancy Pelosi
Nancy "impeachment is off the table" Pelosi, would it really be a problem for the Demok party if its Superdelegates defy the will of the rank and file? If so then why did your Demok party bother to create the Superdelegates? I think your rank and file may think twice about their previous decision to join your big party. They've always known there is a platform for the people on the true left - the Green Party platform - terra firma.
Who cares what any of the delegates do. Bush and McCain have already won. It's over.
We have a progressive movement away from "holding elections" (the right) and toward "having a democracy" (the left). When you get frustrated over the establishment status quo (the right) then you can move away from the establishment (O'Bama and his Demok/Repuk capitalist friends) and move toward the Green Party and its allies (the left). Very simple - it could be a lot more complicated!
Save democracy? Who? The man who wouldn't even debate the only candidate that represented a true democracy? Ha!
Understanding Obama, or any other presidential candidate, starts with reading the book or autobiography they always seem to write beforehand, I have heard that no one who read "A Charge to Keep" was was surprised at Bush's monstrous direction he took the US.
A summary and critique of the more salient points in Obama's "The Audacity of Hope" can be read here:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=11936
"So tell me, if we had direct elections, and the citizens chose a president who wow-ed them on American Idol, and advocated edumacation only until the 5th grade…would you go along with that? I wouldn't."
KaneJeeves,
C'mon, tell us the truth, you're really George Will masquerading as a poster on CD who tries to come off as a kinder, gentler elitist.
Your point about Amercians being dumbed down is not lost on most here. However, I believe given half a chance and an education system that promotes critical thinking, we could have decent country.
Be that is it may, I'll take the will of the people over the elite corporatists who are crushing democracy around the world.
It is pretty damn stunning that we hear reactionary defenses of slaveholding men from 220 years ago, like those of Jacob and Kane, on this progressive news site.
But they are just parroting the views of their hero Obama. Get this - straight from his book:
"[the Founders] recognize that there were seeds of anarchy in the idea of individual freedom, an intoxicating danger in the idea of equality." [If] "everybody is truly free, without the constraints of birth or rank and an inherited social order," Obama asks, then "how can we ever hope to form a society that coheres?"
- "The Audacity of Hope" by Barak Obama (pp. 86-87)
i find it rich that people who will ignore the express vote of 600,000 voters in michigan and 1.7 million voters in florida will quibble over whether a few party regulars are allowed to use their own minds and judgment. it is up to the dlc to solve the problem they created by letting new hampshire break their rules, then punish michigan and florida for doing the same thing.
as for our constitution, it is very well written, but the sort of people it applies to has been expanded. someday we may even get a women's equality amendment.
Paul B. - true enough. But you didn't address the bit of "CD self-criticism" I brought up in my post.
Kane,
The founders originally prohibited women, whites without property, native americans and blacks from voting. It's a not democracy when the majority cannot even vote. We need a system which:
* promotes meritocracy
* offers real-world tests at all ranks in society to see who's made of solid material
* all predicated on a high quality education available freely to all so that everyone gets a fair shot.
For all practical purposes, our present system operates on the following principles:
* The wealthy should inherit wealth, the poor should inherit poverty. [economic caste]
* With wealth comes better education & political connections. [probably true]
* With these things, come merit. [if Bush is the best we can produce, it's clear that this statement is false].
iammyself - I find it ironic on CD that we hear alot of these 2 opinions expressed: "damn the rich white elites, go common man" and "boy those fat, lazy, beer-swillin' Americans are so stupid...". So tell me, if we had direct elections, and the citizens chose a president who wow-ed them on American Idol, and advocated edumacation only until the 5th grade...would you go along with that? I wouldn't. On the other hand I don't like the rich white elitists running the show currently. So what to do?...I think the founders did a pretty good job trying to balance things.
"Taste reality, spit it out, then keep your world small. Love your children, grandchildren, and friends. Make your community a better place but forget about changing the nation and the world–IT IS OUT OF OUR HANDS! Let the Universe take over and sooner or later things WILL change. (NOT the totally rhetorical "change" that Obama and Clinton spew with their fingers crossed behind their backs.)"
Surrender,
When all else is said and done, you're right. The only real power we have is the power NOT to participate and NOT to buy into their "reality." Conventional wisdom would have us running on the rat's wheel forever. The only sane thing to do is to get off and live our lives.
Still, I can't help but do what I can to poke a stick in the spokes.
"The Framers of the Constitution didn't give us a democracy. They gave us a representative Republic."
Indeed, and they were wealthy, white, slave-holding, elite men who didn't believe in the power of the common man. Actually, they believed the common man couldn't be trusted to do what's right.
And now we have a bastardized version of their elitist "representative" republic which is even further away from a democracy than ever.
We need to stop electing rich elitists.
As we said in the '60's: DROP OUT!!! It ain't changing.
Taste reality, spit it out, then keep your world small. Love your children, grandchildren, and friends. Make your community a better place but forget about changing the nation and the world--IT IS OUT OF OUR HANDS! Let the Universe take over and sooner or later things WILL change. (NOT the totally rhetorical "change" that Obama and Clinton spew with their fingers crossed behind their backs.)
Elections mean nothing anymore; nor does the smoke and mirrors of a "people's voice" or a "people's government".
Uzbekistan may be a more violent example of the insanity but it is not much different here.
This system stinks to high heaven and it reminds us that their is an old way of doing business which will once again prevail should the Clinton thugs win or steal the nomination.
The Framers of the Constitution didn't give us a democracy. They gave us a representative Republic.
Now so many people think they are deeper than Madison, Hamilton, and Jefferson, but maybe they aren't.