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Dead Zones Off Oregon and Washington Likely Tied to Global Warming, Study Says
NEWPORT, ORE. -- - Peering into the murky depths, Jane Lubchenco searched for sea life, but all she saw were signs of death.
Video images scanned from the seafloor revealed a boneyard of crab skeletons, dead fish and other marine life smothered under a white mat of bacteria. At times, the camera's unblinking eye revealed nothing at all -- a barren undersea desert in waters renowned for their bounty of Dungeness crabs and fat rockfish.
"We couldn't believe our eyes," Lubchenco said, recalling her initial impression of the carnage brought about by oxygen-starved waters. "It was so overwhelming and depressing. It appeared that everything that couldn't swim or scuttle away had died."
Upon further study, Lubchenco and other marine ecologists at Oregon State University concluded that that the undersea plague appears to be a symptom of global warming. In a study released today in the journal Science, the researchers note how these low-oxygen waters have expanded north into Washington and crept south as far as the California state line. And, they appear to be as regular as the tides, a lethal cycle that has repeated itself every summer and fall since 2002.
"We seem to have crossed a tipping point," Lubchenco said. "Low-oxygen zones off the Northwest coast appear to be the new normal."
Although scientists continue to amass data and tease out the details, all signs in the search for a cause point to stronger winds associated with a warming planet.
If this theory holds up, it means that global warming and the build-up of heat-trapping gases are bringing about oceanic changes beyond those previously documented: a rise in sea level, more acidic ocean water and the bleaching of coral reefs.
Low-oxygen dead zones, which have doubled in number every decade and exist around the world, have a variety of causes.
A massive dead zone off Louisiana is created each spring by a slurry of nutrient-rich farm runoff and sewage that flows out the Mississippi River, causing algae to bloom riotously, die and drift to the bottom to decompose. Bacteria then take over. In the process of breaking down the plant matter, they suck the oxygen out of the seawater, making it unable to support most forms of sea life.
Off Oregon, the dead zone appears to form because of changes in atmospheric conditions that create the oceanic river of nutrient-rich waters known as the California Current.
The California Current along the West Coast and the similar Humboldt Current off Peru and Benguela Current off South Africa are rarities. These powerful currents account for only about 1% of the world's oceans but produce 20% of the world's fisheries.
Their productivity comes from wind-driven upwelling of nutrient-rich waters from the deep. When those waters reach the surface and hit sunlight, tiny ocean plants known as phytoplankton bloom, creating food for small fish and shellfish that in turn feed larger marine animals up the food chain.
What's happening off Oregon, scientists believe, is that as land heats up, winds grow stronger and more persistent. Because the winds don't go slack as they used to do, the upwelling is prolonged, producing a surplus of phytoplankton that isn't consumed and ultimately dies, drifts down to the seafloor and rots.
"It fits a pattern that we're seeing in the Benguela Current," said Andrew Bakun, a professor at the University of Miami's Pew Institute for Ocean Science who wasn't part of the Oregon study. "It's reasonable to think these hypoxic and anoxic zones will increase as more greenhouse gases build up in the atmosphere."
The Benguela Current has seen sporadic dead zones. There, rotting clumps of algae have also released clouds of hydrogen sulfide gas that smell like rotten eggs and poison sea life. Residents along the coast of South Africa and Namibia have witnessed waves of rock lobsters crawl onto shore to escape the noxious gases.
Bakun considers the Benguela, the world's most powerful current, to be a harbinger of changes in other currents. His theory is that warm, rising air over the land makes upwelling more frequent and more intense. The phenomenon, he said, is complicated by decades of heavy fishing that has reduced schools of sardines to a tiny fraction of their former abundance.
Not enough fish remain to consume phytoplankton before it dies and settles on the bottom, creating an anoxic dead zone.
Crab fisherman were the first to take note of Oregon's dead zone. Al Pazar recalls his alarm in 2002 when he pulled up his traps and found something seriously amiss.
"It was a good amount of crabs," Pazar said. "But they were dead, or dying or very, very weak. Those that we managed to keep alive didn't survive for long."
The fishermen called Oregon State, which dispatched a boat of researchers to investigate.
"It was a big mystery," Lubchenco said. "We didn't know what was killing them."
Fishermen found other oddities. As they pulled up their crab traps, they found baby octopuses, about the size of silver dollars, inching their way up the lines toward the buoys floating on the surface.
"I'd tell my crewmen, be careful with these cute little things," said Dennis Krulich, a longtime fishermen in Newport. "Peel them off the rope, and we'll put them back."
Only later did he realize that these babies were coming up from oxygen-depleted waters that hover near the seafloor, climbing to save their lives. "In 30 years of crabbing, I'd never seen anything like it before, Krulich said. "It's spooky, this dead-zone thing."
The size of the zone has fluctuated over the years. In 2006, it was the largest ever measured, covering an expanse slightly larger than Rhode Island.
Last year, it was smaller but detected over a longer stretch of coastline.
To make sure the phenomenon was actually new, Oregon State marine ecologist Francis Chan reconstructed data from water sampling at 3,100 stations dating to 1950.
He found that low-oxygen areas have long existed in deeper waters, but there was virtually no evidence until recently of hypoxic waters in prime fishing waters, which extend down to 165 feet.
"It's pretty clear this is unprecedented," Chan said. "It's never been detected since we began to measure oxygen levels."
So far, the seasonal dead zones, which begin as early as June and wrap up in September, have not hurt the crab fishery, which mostly operates in the winter. Many crabs and fish manage to flee the low-oxygen area. And fishermen have learned to set their traps in the wasteland of the previous year's dead zones, to catch crabs that return to feed on the detritus of all the suffocated animals.
Scientists say seafood caught in low-oxygen zones is not harmful to eat.
© 2008 The Los Angeles Times



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Show AllThis article is a well-written presentation of the results of research efforts from several different groups of oceanographers. (Another article on this same topic has also appeared today in the Seattle PI (http://www.seattlepi.com)). The research teams have done a nice job of documenting the phenomenon and explaining it in terms of persistent strong winds over the eastern Pacific for the past several years. Potential connections to climate change are felt possible, but the linkages remain uncertain, and the researchers are appropriately cautious in this arena. The results of this research are based on observations, not theory or modeling, and they are frighteningly real. We should all be concerned.
Of course the oxygen levels in our oceans are dwindling, the tiny plants that by far supply most of the oxygen for our planet, both for our oceans and our atmosphere, the critial for all life on Earth, the 'phytoplankton', are dying off.
We humans are killing them with all types oif pollution, atomic waste, plastics, oil spills, the acididty of our oceans from burning coal, pesticide runoffs, etc. It is rapidly catchng up to us and I seriously doubt we will do anything productive to reverse the situation before there is not enough oxygen to sustain life in this bio-sphere we call Earth.
Most people are far, far more concerned about politics, the price of oil, if our athletes use steroids and the high cost of food and fuel, than they are about the very MOST serious issues facing humanity, their very children and the future of this planet.
You will see perhaps 20 different bloggers on this thread if that many before it disappears into the archives. But if an Obama or Cheney thread is posted, you will see 100 or more posting on it. I can tell you one thing with absolute certanty, Obama or Cheney are not going ot do one single thing to save the phytoplankton.
It takes less than one minute to read this link. For further information on the subject, just Google phytoplakton.
http://www.whyplankton.com
This is happening in my backyard, and it's been quite interesting in many respects. This year we're having more of a La Nina event. I should also say this is not just a curiosity here. Fortunately the fishers and enviros are on the same side (sure, we have a few differences, all coalitions do) and more vigilent research is required, which is happening as this item shows. How this study will impact the governor's Ocean Reserves plan and our wave energy trials remains to be seen.
Every oldtimer I've talked to about climate admits seeing it change, and many are quite thankful they're old because they're worried.
Kem, I would say that it's our collective behavior that must change to save the planet. Will top-down leadership change this? Millions saw Gore's film and attended his talks; how much change in our collective behavior has occurred since? Very little when measured by hydrocarbon use and GDP growth.
You and I both realize the massive amounts of energy use that MUST be curtailed to mitigate global warming--essentially ALL of the hydrocarbon based thermo-electric plants in the OECD MUST be shutdown tommorrow, and those elsewhere by 75%. But the economy is set-up to run on coal-fired electricity; there would be no internet as we know it without it. You're a politician; what are you going to tell the people? You're a clergyman; what are you going to tell your congregation? You're a businessman; what are you going to tell your staff and clientel? You're a parent; what are you going to tell your children?
It's easy to write; it's much more difficult to look at our reality and affect the needed change.
Bacteria - first life, last life. Amen.
You are correct ~Karlof1~, The power plants will eventually be shut down by Mother Nature not by man. The only question about that fact is when?
Well, I'm so relieved to know that seafood caught in low oxygen zones isn't dangerous to eat -- Kelmer, where are you when I need you?
UNCOMMONDREAMS
what are they going to do? why should there be more water in the countryside? i don't get it. even if there is, it will run out eventually. and do you really believe that those pampered city dwellers are going to go 'back to the land'.....ha ha ha ... but we are told that spain will become two thirds desert in the next 50 years. and btw why did you comment on being the 41st comment?
IOWAIRISH
it's not just the lack of knowledge. it's the 'psychobabble' that's forced onto people. nothing is 'natural' any more. (unless you want it to be.)
KEM PATRICK
yeah, i'm waiting for that methane gas. i want to go out with a BIG BANG..........
When? Today, many countries are struggling to provide electricity; the stories are reported daily and are increasing. We are at Peak Oil; Natgas in our hemisphere has peaked; new studies on the world's coal endowment say we have much less than we think. As Limits to Growth and Heinberg's new book's title suggests, we are at "Peak Everything." Catton said it well in "Overshoot," "We are at the end of the Age of Exuberence." Ever read Duncan's Olduvai Gorge Theory? http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/3/6/135437/7111
Did you see that hard red wheat is selling for just under $20/bushel! Have you read about the coming rice shortage, http://story.malaysiasun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/b8de8e630faf3631/id/327521/cs/1/
Got land? Start planting.
You better plant crops that are self pollinating and need a low oxygen content.
WOW! seven different bloggers already. Might make 20.
Karloft, I can answer part of your question.
I went to the Unitarian fellowship hall last week to listen to the mayor of our city talk about the Mayoral Initiative against global warming that he has joined.
Our mayor is a Republican and very ambitious. Apparently he joined to further his ambitions, because he didn't have a clue to what is needed to stop carbon emissions. He kept talking about recycling paper!
When I confronted him about zoning and land use planning and urban sprawl, all current and important issues in our town, he professed ignorance to what I was talking about! I was probably ruder than I needed to be, but I have a history with this mayor.
So, what does a politician tell his constituents? That global warming can be solved with paper recycling. What does a clergyman do? Give stern looks to a person rude enough to confront an invited guest.
However, the local newspaper did print my comments and yesterday a postal employee told me that she understood and agreed with my points, that a walkable city with bike paths and green space is what we need to zone for, not constant rezoning of farmland to accommodate sprawl.
We need to reach many people to change our ways.
What did we do wrong? We listened to stupid f***king scientists without questioning or common sense.
We listened to "Scientists", who were hired by corporations such as Exxon/Mobil, who paid such "scientists" up to $10,000 each to debunk global warming. Then our "free press" published those "fu$$king corrupt, selfish, greedy, utterly stupid "scientists" opinions.
The question of oxygen use by burning oil or coal, and it is massive, is rarely raised. If the oxygen is taken out of the atmosphere then the concentrations of the remaining gasses becomes higher. Taking the oxygen out of the atmosphere may like when a bottle of pop is opened, then gasses trapped in the liquid bubble up and the drink eventually goes flat. Is this what is happening to the oceans and thus contributing to these other problems? If so then we must stop burning oil or coal even though we are still virtually swimming in the stuff. I believe that the ancients of the First People considered the existence of oil as very bad news.
Our oxygen is created by the ocean's phytoplanton, over 70% now, down from the 90% of only a few years ago. In addition, we have destroyed over half of our vital to life rain forests. A forth of Africa is on fire 24-7 for example. From space, it is a planet on fire say the astronauts.
If you Google phytoplankton, you can see what is occurring and doing so very rapidly.
If anyone missed it, here is a very brief article on the subject.
http://www.whyplankton.com
Hi carrots--Oxygen is recycled through the combustion process, so it doesn't get diluted in the manner you described. What happens in the ocean is the algae blooms so rapidly that it uses up all the locally available oxygen--making it anoxic--and thus killing itself and any other life unfortunate to not escape. As the item stated, this can be manmade--as in the Mississippi/Gulf dead zone--or natural. What is postulated is this natural process is being accelerated and moved closer to shore than previous via global warming. Of real concern, that alluded to by Kem, is the oceans's increasing acidification and temperature and their affects on plankton--the basis of the planetary food chain whose collapse is depicted in the film Soylent Green. First peoples in general found oil seeps mysterious but useful, especially in the middle east, although there are some in Africa and South America who do consider it "very bad news."
greenerthanthou--Your town has the right idea, and your mayor at least has his finger testing the wind. But we need to do more than change land use patterns, as I'm sure you'll agree. Oregonians are worried, but not enough yet, although we do have political motivation with the local corporate media mostly onboard due to the earlier and ongoing salmon crisis.
The first nations people used oil to heal things. It is refined oil and how it is used that is the problem.
Most humans are way to toxic for anyone to want to eat...
Soylent Green is a great education, then look at THX 1138 and read "Earth Abides". ArchDruid deals with a lot of this.
I wonder if we can transfer this phenomenon from Washington State to Washington DC...a lot of bottom feeders there that should be suffocated.
What is being done by those who cry the loudest?
whatfools said:
"Bacteria - first life, last life. Amen"
First we will have lots of jellyfish.....
Beware of the "Primeval Tide of Toxins".
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/62/21496
Time to start changing your taste buds!!!!!
The Bush Admin. has been trying to debunk all of this for the last 7+ years, but ultimately, you can't hide the truth. The major polluters (big business), gas cars & trucks, etc. have to go. We should have turned to a hydrogen based economy in the 70's. Why aren't we doing what Germany is doing? The entire country is going "SOLAR" and it's working!!!!!!!!
And on land - better start developing a taste for insects.
Ever hear of the great close-Permian dying?
The biggest problem in the US today was the way that the environental, antiwar, human rights activists did not join arms and DEMAND impeachment. They never went global, either, which is a shame because most of the world knows about these environmental CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
Start working for impeachment, file sworn statements to the International Criminal Court against BuZh and Cheney and the whole deadly lot. I suggest writing down every single crime committed against you.
Much of the enviromental damage is NOT due to global warming; it's due to the effect of depleted uranium (covered up), the use of nuclear weapons, and biochemical warfare.
I posted a war crimes swick on my blog, and that includes these crimes against humanity.
Everyone is doing what they can to avoid nuclear strikes on Iran - and chemical spraying in the Middle East and all the other depopulation efforts. But it's time for the environmental movement to quit "chasing whales" and get truly political. I hope members will tell their organizations that. The time is NOW.
We need a broad based coalition to gather as quickly as possible. Impeachment IS the legal rememdy, despite what people think and many environmental lawyers are already aware of that.
Here is some great legal information you can use.
http://ladybroadoak.blogspot.com/2008/02/special-prosecutor-information-plz.html
Tell all candidates that they get NO MONEY if they don't change policy on the environment.
I found du information hidden in the Department of Energy's files myself, long buried. The secrets must stop being covered up.
ps - I forgot to mention the use of jet fuels to fly bomber jets and to make test flights. The amounts used are mind boggling.
Who is crying the loudest ~IKE KAY~ and what are they doing?
The 2,500+ decent scientists who have spent their entire adult lives studying the issue, people like Al Gore, John Edwards and other politicians, writers like Rachael Carson, internet bloggers etc, ___ they do what they can. I use solar heat for my house and water, I have an organic garden, limit my driving and support enviromental issues.
There is not a great deal that you or I can do as individuals, anything we do to reduce polluting our atmosphere and waters helps. Until our world leaders, and those who actually control the money, and our press and media come together on the problem and initiate a MASSIVE effort to reduce pollutions of all types, stop the destruction of forests and land, the problem will continue to accelerate.
Also, until we have an effective and humane means of reducing the Earth's population of humans and cattle, the problem will not be solved. It is not just a problem, it is a looming disaster, no different in th eend result than a ten mile wide asteroid crashing into the planet. It is happening and to date, the only thing being done of any real significance, is talk about it and most don't wish to hear it.
Much of this grim change, like cancer spreading in a body, is going on unseen. Unseen because it is in the deep ocean, or the deserts, or the remaining forests, or in the ice caps and tundra. And unseen because the corporate media has no interest in worrying people about the loss of a planet, only in worrying them about crime, and gay marriage, and pedophiles, and car crashes. And unseen because the American public at large seems disinterested. When I blog on a major American site about religion I get great interest, when I write about climate change and environmental damage, I get ignored. An imaginary universe with an imaginary being in it is of far more concern than the real universe we all live in where crabs are dying and octopus are trying to escape the damage we have caused. The climate change material is all at http://www.blognow.com.au/mrpickwick/Climate_change/. I despair of concern developing fast emough, unless the people who read posts like this can manage to get together mentally and bypass the corporate media.
~LADYBROADOAK~ Thank you for mentioneng depleted uranium, __ DU.
I believe it is one of the major reasons for the decline in the ocean's phytoplnkton. The microscopic DU nano-partilces will float on water, just as the microscopic phytoplnakton do. We humans have to date, spread thousands of TONS of that deadly poison all over the globe. DU will kill any living thing, down to the microbal level. A single cupfull of burned DU holds over five billion nano-partilces of certain death. DU dust blows in the wind before it settles back to earth, and 70 percent of our planet is oceans.
http://www.uraniumweaponsconference.de/background.htm
This - and much else - would not be happening now if everyone's grandmother had produced only two children.
Perhaps framing the message of zero-population-growth in this way will help the message get through to people who feel that a family with less than four children just ain't natural.
It started with Adam and Eve ~JJJJohnny~ . Eve was an apple eatin horny bitch according to the Bible.
I used to have a pretty blond girl friend, who loved pears. When she'd board the shool bus she was always holding one in her hand and all of the guys would tell her she had a nice pear. __ She did too.
Do youuuu __ Sttt-uter JJJ-John?
Hey, 19 and counting. Not half bad.
ladybroadoak, the time for impeachment was one, two, three, four, five years ago. IT'S TOO LATE. They're dragged their idiot feet all these criminal years under the Bush-Cheney junta because they 1)support the junta's agenda, 2)are afraid of the junta, 3)think if they try to impeach they won't be reelected (Dems who think only of their political career), 4) are basically a bunch of spineless assholes who NEVER listen to their constituents, especially about impeachment, 5) will claim forever that they "couldn't get the votes" when that's just a convenient cover to hide behind.
There isn't going to be any impeachment. I've been signing online petitions for it for YEARS, and will not waste another second doing it. There must be about 300 organizations around the country dedicated to bringing impeachment to the table, but all that's needed to stop it is Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, and they've stopped it stone dead. The usurpers have only 10 months left and it would take Congress at least that long to proceed with hearings if they weren't doing anything else at all. So if they started right now, the optimistic scenario is impeaching Bush and/or Cheney by January 15, 2009. Whoopee. Victory!
Besides, impeaching isn't going to stop the global warming that is causing these oceanic dead zones. Impeachment leaves the greenhouse gas environment exactly as it is, since no other politician is going to do a damn thing about it either, including rock star Obama. Our tragedy is that we're totally dependent on these corporatist politicians, which they ALL are with the possible exception of Kucinich, Bernie Sanders and maybe four or five others, to address world-ending catastrophic situations like global warming. If it can't be shown to plump up corporate bottom lines, no measures beyond the ridiculously symbolic are going to be undertaken. We're hostage to the corporate profit imperative, and until THAT changes we're doomed to whatever catastrophes global warming has in store.
Scientists have been incharge for the last 50 to 100 years and you see the consequences in the picture above. It is time for stewardship to be put in hands of people that understand, if you don't understand then you need to learn. (Know your garden) Try looking at it for yourself instead of what someone else tells you.
well, i'm not putting much faith in the bible, great story, and most likely would have been enjoyable watching eve get off, other than that...
jjohnjj, you've touched on a point there. but it's much more complex and it's no longer about our grandmothers. the real issue should be the abolition of tax credits for having children. instead, the ones who should be receiving tax credits are the ones who are not procreating. for those having the desire to bring children into this world, knowing full well the consequences, pay admission. of course, due to our fucked up system of tax credit welfare (and yes it is a form of welfare) most of them don't know full well the consequences. but it is basic math. added stress to an overused and underappreciated planet...
our country is far beyond peak oil production, has been since the 70's. thus our dependence on foreign oil. thus the reason for war. and weapons manufacturing. greed, profit. most everyone, even some very knowledgeable and well-rounded acquaintances, fail to grasp our dependence on oil; our absolute and total dependence on it. although the giants will not come out and say, oil is fading. thus the quick-fix solution of mountaintop removals as an alternative.
now, even the simple lifestyle will not be enough.
pity us for the slow death we're bringing upon ourselves. after reading cormac mccarthy's "the road," which i initially thought was a real piece of crap, i've altered that belief and think maybe that's the way our planet will go. we deserve it.
let those loggers just keep up the good work!!! clear cutting all that remaining old growth will certainly do a lot to lower the temperature and quality of run off.. additionally, somebody ought to take a look at the dioxin levels from that pulp mill in Toledo---it's just up the river from Newport.
'not enough fish remain to consume phytoplankton before it dies and settles on the bottom, creating an anoxic dead zone' so there it is: NOT ENOUGH FISH REMAIN. and why do not enough fish remain? because they have been over-fished............. and the stocks are depleted and the human greed is the victor. but the human greed will eventually kill itself. unfortunately, the human greed will take everything else in its wake.........
The article points to global climate change as the cause of the dead zones. Global climate change has two root causes, both tied to fossil fuel use: emissions from electric power plants and the internal combustion engine.
Leadership in this country and other Western nations have much to be held accountable for on both fronts.
In this country, the car companies destroyed the basis of mass transit by purchasing the trolley and train companies, converting them to bus lines and then bankrupting the bus lines. Before that the trucking industry successfully lobbied Congress and the ICC (now defunct) to pass long-hauling of heavy commodities over to trucks. Much harm was done as the result of these events. The single engine vehicle, whether it was a car or a bus or a truck, moved to the forefront of our transportation system and the roots of global warming were laid down.
What choices were left to individuals?
To walk to work? To ride, as in the city of Detroit, an unreliable bus system that seldom goes in the direction you need to go and rolls up its routes at 8 pm? I rode this horrible system for years and can testify that it is not a really a viable alternative unless you plan on spending 4-5 hours a day in transit to and from work. Ergo, most people by a gas guzzling car, (what else is there?) and their lives are better in the short run.
The same is true on the electric power front. Power companies rule the roost and give us choices of hooking up to the grid or. . . hooking up to the grid. Oh, I know, homeowners can invest $15-35,000 (aprox) in solar and become independent of that grid; what do apartment dwellers do? Cut back on their power use? What if you do not have the thousands needed to switch to solar? I consumed less than 300 KW/month for years in my tiny apartments, cutting back was not possible, I was seldom home anyhow. Still, DTE energy, the local power company, makes billions off of small utility users like myself.
My point is that the individual in this country cannot shape public policy by use, or 'conserving' . We are given no real choices by the power elite:
oil companies, of course they control the mass transit option--totally, there will never be mass transit in this country as long as Exxon is alive and well. Gas guzzlers, millions of internal combustion engines and tons of carbon emission are what Exxon wants and what they want, by gum, they will get as long as there are fancy restaurants on K street.
The electric power companies and the coal industry rule the electric power production scene, again, until the lobby industry shuts down, we will not have solar power emerge as a viable alternative to electric power plants.
Certainly individuals, meaning corporate entities as well, can conserve in a very real way.
But the solutions we need to global warming are not on the map, in the drawing room or on any of Obama's or Hillary's web pages.
1. A movement away from relying on individual, internal combustion powered modes of transit to a system that would rely on rails as well as buses, autos, bicycles, scooters, mopeds and yes, plain old fashioned walking.
2. Forcing power plants fired with coal or nuclear material off the map and replacing energy production with solar and wind. This can be done despite the nay saying.
Now how is problem of the dying suffering creatures because compliments of humans there is no oxygen going to be fixed?
Hopefully the 2012 theory of human extinction is correct, whichever one happens
** the 41st Comment! ** ;)
This article is well worth reading:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australias-epic-drought-the-situation-is-grim-445450.html
I learned recently that in Australia there is now talk of some major cities no longer being viable, due to the chronic water shortages, and that people will possibly have to abandon the major cities and move to the countryside...
...now there's a thought: an *enforced* Back To The Land movement!
Stay bright y'all,
UCD
xx
Oh so you think Hillary will, Kem Patrick?
I despair. When with my parents in small town Iowa over the christian holiday that I stopped celebrating many years ago, my father, while watching the news about the unusual winter storms screamed with glee, "Where's Gore's Global Warming, huh?!?!"
The next day, he gleefully cheered while Rush pointed out the stupidity of the tree huggers who claim that the reason for Katrina was because Iowa farmers produce too much corn.
How does one even begin to address this severe lack of knowledge, let alone thinking?
Our education system has dumbed down the population to such an extent that millions of minds are not capable of making the requisite connections between climate change and Iowa corn crops. And to Kem, if they can't get this, they certainly can't understand DU.
Our children are incapable of making making these connections because many parents and grandparents were not taught to make them. And the schools have only gotten worse in this generation. But while our parents and grandparents weren't taught critical thinking, at least they read. Now, many children don't even do that. And their parents are too overworked to do anything other than sit them in front of the electronic boob-tube babysitter.
I despair.
LINO
i've just looked up 'the road'. see: readingandmorereading.blogspot.com
i'm an avid reader (no t.v. for the past 30 years) so am looking forward to reading it when i can locate it.
SSW
that is a good question. and not being a scientist i cannot answer. but the fact remains life on earth is in grave danger.
What bothers me the most, is our children, with no real future to look forward to and people like CoCo, who won't be here after the methane gas in the Arctic blooms.
Send your number kiddo, we can both go out with a bang.
Hi JESS. Why that question here on this thread?
Hillary HAS to win the Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania primaries. If she does not win ALL THREE of those states by 55% or more, she won't be our next president. If she does, she will be. We'll see how she does. If she wins Ohio and Texas, she will win Pennsylvania by 60% or more.
kem patrick,
sadly, hillarious has spent her time here in texas the last couple of days, seemingly an eternity, being very specific in her target audience: el paso, the rio grande valley, san antone - all and mostly hispanic voters - going after that family bond. by getting one or two family members on board, she effectively gathers the whole clan. very little room for dissuasion. although hispanic voters in texas have historically voted democratic, this time around, sadly, race will undoubtedly be the deciding factor. do not underestimate hillarious. at least for texas, she's got her game plan.
coco, when you find it, read it with an open mind. it is troublesome, bothersome, depressing. and finally, months after you read it, unsettling.
As much as I like impeachment and whatnot, I'll try to stay on the subject... :)
This article about anoxic areas in the ocean is very important for a couple reasons. First, it's a great introduction for people who haven't read much about anoxic events in the oceans elsewhere (there are dozens around the world). Second, it's the first mention I've seen of anoxic zones created specifically by climate changes attributable to anthropogenic GHG emissions, rather than the usual nutrient-loading due to runoff of agricultural fertilizers or storm/sewage water.
While it sucks that plankton are dying and that ocean food webs are being shattered (by climate change now as well as everything else that industrial civilization has done to them), I don't see a need to worry much about oxygen running out anytime soon. Since the atmosphere is 20% O2, it will be a geologically long time before respiration and combustion comes close to lowering O2 levels to those below which humans can survive.
I think that the more worrisome thing is that this is a prelude to what will likely cause the next mass extinction. Anoxic oceans (not just regions, but the whole shebang) are likely to end humanity once and for all. This will happen most likely once the polar ice melts and removes the temperature gradients that drive ocean currents, which absorb O2 from the atmosphere in cold areas which then sink, drawing in otherwise stagnant warm water with less ability to absorb oxygen. Once that happens, it's pretty much over. No more plankton anywhere, no more ocean life, and then we get belches of hydrogen sulfide from the water...
There's a great video about the geological history (and likely future we face) of fossil carbon called "The End of Oil." The last section talks about previous periods of supergreenhouse stages of the Earth's past, which somewhat resemble what we're trying to cause with all the burning of fossil fuels. YouTube has it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVwf2XqZ-XE
I don't know about you all, but I'm hopeful that we stop before this actually happens...