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Bush Orders Clampdown on Flights to US
The US administration is pressing the 27 governments of the European Union to sign up for a range of new security measures for transatlantic travel, including allowing armed guards on all flights from Europe to America by US airlines.
The demand to put armed air marshals on to the flights is part of a travel clampdown by the Bush administration that officials in Brussels described as "blackmail" and "troublesome", and could see west Europeans and Britons required to have US visas if their governments balk at Washington's requirements.
According to a US document being circulated for signature in European capitals, EU states would also need to supply personal data on all air passengers overflying but not landing in the US in order to gain or retain visa-free travel to America, senior EU officials said.
And within months the US department of homeland security is to impose a new permit system for Europeans flying to the US, compelling all travellers to apply online for permission to enter the country before booking or buying a ticket, a procedure that will take several days.
The data from the US's new electronic transport authorisation system is to be combined with extensive personal passenger details already being provided by EU countries to the US for the "profiling" of potential terrorists and assessment of other security risks.
Washington is also asking European airlines to provide personal data on non-travellers - for example family members - who are allowed beyond departure barriers to help elderly, young or ill passengers to board aircraft flying to America, a demand the airlines reject as "absurd".
Seven demands tabled by Washington are contained in a 10-page "memorandum of understanding" (MOU) that the US authorities are negotiating or planning to negotiate with all EU governments, according to ministers and diplomats from EU member states and senior officials in Brussels. The Americans have launched their security drive with some of the 12 mainly east European EU countries whose citizens still need visas to enter the US.
"The Americans are trying to get a beefing up of their visa-waiver programmes. It's all contained in the MOU they want to put to all EU member states," said a diplomat from a west European country. "It's a very delicate problem."
As part of a controversial passenger data exchange programme allegedly aimed at combating terrorism, the EU has for the past few months been supplying the American authorities with 19 items of information on every traveller flying from the EU to the US.
The new American demands go well beyond what was agreed under that passenger name record (PNR) system and look certain to cause disputes within Europe and between Europe and the US.
Brussels is pressing European governments not to sign the bilateral deals with the Americans to avoid weakening the EU bargaining position. But Washington appears close to striking accords on the new travel regime with Greece and the Czech Republic. Both countries have sizeable diaspora communities in America, while their citizens need visas to enter the US. Visa-free travel would be popular in both countries.
A senior EU official said the Americans could get "a gung-ho frontrunner" to sign up to the new regime and then use that agreement "as a rod to beat the other member states with". The frontrunner appears to be the Czech Republic. On Wednesday, Richard Barth of the department of homeland security was in Prague to negotiate with the Czech deputy prime minister, Alexandr Vondra,
Prague hoped to sign the US memorandum "in the spring", Vondra said. "The EU has done nothing for us on visas," he said. "There was no help, no solidarity in the past. It's in our interest to move ahead. We can't just wait and do nothing. We have to act in the interest of our citizens."
While the Czechs are in a hurry to sign up, Brussels is urging delay in order to try to reach a common European position.
"There is a process of consultation and coordination under way," said Jonathan Faull, a senior European commission official involved in the negotiations with the Americans.
To European ears, the US demands sound draconian. "This would oblige the European countries to allow US air marshals on US flights. It's controversial and difficult," an EU official said. At the moment the use of air marshals is discretionary for European states and airlines.
While armed American guards would be entitled to sit on the European flights to the US, the Americans also want the PNR data transfers extended from travellers from Europe to the US to include the details of those whose flights are not to America, but which overfly US territory, say to central America or the Caribbean.
Brussels has told Washington that its demands raise legal problems in Europe over data protection, over guarantees on how the information is handled, over which US agencies have access to it or with whom it might be shared, and over issues of redress if the data is misused.
The Association of European Airlines, representing 31 airlines, including all the big west European national carriers, has told the US authorities that there is "no international legal foundation" for supplying them with data about passengers on flights overflying US territory.
The US Transport Security Administration has also asked the European airlines to supply personal data on "certain non-travelling members of the public requesting access to areas beyond the screening checkpoint".
The AEA said this was "absurd" because the airlines neither obtain nor can obtain such information. The request was "fully unjustified".
If the Americans persevere in the proposed security crackdown, Brussels is likely to respond with tit-for-tat action, such as calling for visas for some Americans.
European governments, however, would probably veto such action, one official said, not least for fear of the "massive disruption given the huge volume of transatlantic traffic".
© 2008 The Guardian



82 Comments so far
Show AllThe US is planning another large war for sure.
If this one scares you, look at this article about businesses combining forces with the FBI - and given authorization to shoot to kill if necessary: http://www.progressive.org/mag_rothschild0308
Bush is back on the bottle. Classic paranoid syndrome. Everybody's out to get me.
He ain't seen nothin' yet. He will live out the rest of his days in torment. I relish the thought.
There is an online petition asking the DNC to choose the candidate with the most votes and delegates rather than take the chance on a secret backroom deal.
Please sign the petition and pass it on to your friends.
http://www.petitiononline.com/Superdel/petition.html
Consider these posters' comments together:
RE: I don't know what to make of this. I've heard so much…. is it a way to spy on more people? A way to better isolate americans? A way to spend more money on security? Are airmarshalls to be outsourced? Is the whitehouse trying to piss even more people off? Is this a pittiful too-late attempt to provide -probably false- security? Is it aimed at foreign businessmen? Is it to promote airmarshalls to the EU? Is it to chip away at Worldwide information rights? What is the US airline industry's ivolvement in all this?
RE:Perhaps the Great Wall of Cheney is to keep us in.
RE:in a world that is going more and more global with businesses and population becoming more interdependent, the united states, george bush, is becoming more and more isolated.
RE:W just wants some of his guys on the upcoming "911″ event that makes him Dictator! If they are there it will go smooth.
RE:Here's the best part: "…compelling all travelers to apply online for permission to enter the country before booking or buying a ticket, a procedure that will take several days."
It takes six weeks min for US citizens to get a passport. So what does "several days" mean? 30? 60? What if you need to travel right away? Or are just feeling spontaneous?
RE:The US is planning another large war for sure
DOES THIS SOUND LIKE POSSIBLE PREPARATION FOR MARTIAL LAW TO ANY OF YOU GUYS, OR AM I JUST PARANOID?
Just a further segment of the "Us vs Them" philosophy that's overtaken the good old USA>
Could this all be political? After all it is elections 2008!
I do agree with all the sentiment expressed here that this is a bone head move but what have we come to expect from this administration?
IAMMYSELF
thanks for the reply, albeit very disturbing. i hadn't realised the severity of it. let's hope europe has a bit more common sense. and i don't think i'll ever visit the u.s. again. with the m.e. stamps i have in my passport, i probably wouldn't make it past customs........
COMARC
'travelers who will never even enter the u.s., just overfly our airspace' what kind of b.s. is this??? perhaps they think they might parachute down.................
I don't know what to make of this. I've heard so much.... is it a way to spy on more people? A way to better isolate americans? A way to spend more money on security? Are airmarshalls to be outsourced? Is the whitehouse trying to piss even more people off? Is this a pittiful too-late attempt to provide -probably false- security? Is it aimed at foreign businessmen? Is it to promote airmarshalls to the EU? Is it to chip away at Worldwide information rights? What is the US airline industry's ivolvement in all this?
Bets on how long it will take for the Europeans to roll over in a "compromise" that doesn't do anything but compromise more basic civil and human rights?
Perhaps the Great Wall of Cheney is to keep us in.
Bush is a psychopathic, traitorious, cowardly, sadistic, lying moron. This is just another blatant attempt to maintain the atmosphere of fear that his crime-ridden administration has used all along to prolong their fascist, corporatist policies. And (as noted above) these policies certainly do compromise our freedom. This stinking administration's entire "security" policy - foster fear and repression - has been a dead ringer for internal security policies followed by the Third Reich. It's tragic that our emasculated Congress has been unable to shut him down.
As a Swiss American my question is...are they trying to kill the tourist trade...I don't care whether Brussels rolls over or not, and I don't care how cheap the shopping is in the US people will be less apt to travel to the US. I know many companies with international travel try to avoid the US flying people to Latin America via Canada rather than the US.
Watch tourism to America nosedive...
Approx 94 billion dollars lost in tourist revenue in 2007 due to Homeland Insecurity Act, inter alia..
Another fuck-up courtesy of Bu$hCo etal...Whats it feel like to be amongst the most hated country on the planet?
Lets get this straight, you have to provide the United fascist States with all the passenger data from innocent Europeans but you can import all the poisoned food and toys you want. Something sounds amiss.
Well, with all the horror that the Empire has unleashed around the world, I can see why they get so paranoid. Who is going to save us from fascism?
Anyone for "Festung Amerika" ?
Isn't it interesting how so many articles like this one come from media sources outside the US? Isn't it interesting how so many of these items, if they do make it in, are buried and soon forgotten? Isn't it interesting how so few Americans don't realize that they are now living in a fascist state?
Why? Because that's what the big powers that be, the mega-corporatists want. 1984 is no longer in the future, we are living it and it's getting worse every day. This is THE issue of the day. Forget all the political electoral nonsense, it's a ruse! The fact is that information that is vital for citizens to be citizens is being kept from us in a very organized and calculated way.
Want to know more? This video might enlighten. It's over 2 hours long, but it beats watching 2 hours of Drivel News Network. Warning: It won't help you sleep better, but it will open your eyes.
http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=87
if any idea comes outta the bush admin, it should be seen as yet another stupid idea from a stupid, unelected leader.
he's never had a success in his personal life, business or otherwise... and to allow him to keep implementing his stupid ideas makes our country more and more stupid.
i hate to use the word "stupid" so much, but this is GEORGE W. BUSH we're talking about here.
...and his daddy's buddies can't bail us, the citizens, out of the shit that guy does as easily as they can bail HIM out of his fuck ups.
a friend of mine here in europe recently went on a caribbean cruise via miami. she had to be fingerprinted before she got on the boat. i asked her why, but she didn't know and wasn't bothered enough to ask at the time. is this normal practice now? it never used to be...........
coco,
I don't know about cruise ships, but I can imagine that it's part of der Homeland Security to fingerprint travelers.
We now need a passport to get back into the US from Canada and some states are enacting laws requiring ID cards with RFID chips in them, the better to track folks. Hell, in order to teach in the state of Maine, you need to be fingerprinted.
The United States is ruled by a culture of fear, from traveling to teaching to our elections - it's fear, 24/7. When fear rules, the people lose.
Does anybody remember the old movie Casablanca? People were killing for "Letters of Transit" so they could get out of the country. Prostituting themselves or pawning their jewels to get an exit visa.
I suppose Cheney watched that and thought, "What a good idea!"
It is true, by the way. A Canadian who wants to fly from, say Vancouver to Cancun for a vacation will be expected to apply ahead of time and have a complete background check before being permitted to overfly Festung Amerika. No more catching a "red-eye" to make a meeting. Minimum of three days notice and then permission from homeland security before you can fly.
God help you if the security camera at the airport links you to a fuzzy out of focus shot of a suspected miscreant of any type. You may well leave the airport with a bag over your head and never be seen again. You have no rights as either a citizen or an alien in transit and could find yourself screaming your mind away in Syria or Egypt or wherever else the CIA does business.
How did that old song go?
"My country 'tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing..."
Obsolete, but nostalgic, sigh.
So I can thank that wonderful Michael Chertoff, a duel israeli-US citizen, for making me feel like a Palestinian each and every day. Instead of Casablanca, we should watch Escape from New York or the Great Escape. We may need those skills within the next few years.
Yeah, but remember, Nazi Germany didn't have the technical surveillance skills we have now, or there would have been no great escape.
Makes me sick to my stomach to even think of all this crap.
I pray the EU resists this incredibly frightening fascist demand. We need HELP HERE, PEOPLE OF THE WORLD!!!. I think the other countries of the world must at least TRY to resist! Can't they stonewall the US until this criminal government is gone (IF it leaves!)? Information to FLY-OVER? They're isolating us. It might be time to leave, maybe late summer will be too late. As a child I always wondered why the Germans didn't just leave? Now I understand how difficult that decision is when you're nearing your sixties.
I'm watching the news too much, following the campaign news. Has anybody else today noticed that the government has announced the six trials of supposed 9/11 "turists" and also something about spies being charged? I listened to the charges of "spies" and the whole hyprocritical system screamed at me. We're proud of our spies but condemn those who do the same thing here that we do to so many. And, oh yes, we out our own spies and put them and their networks in danger. It feels like Cheney is pushing back.
Does anybody remember the words to the Horst Wessel song? Seems more appropriate daily.
i hope i am not repeating a previous comment. in a world that is going more and more global with businesses and population becoming more interdependent, the united states, george bush, is becoming more and more isolated.
Being a US citizen living and working abroad, this article really hits home for me. I personally know American citizens who worked in Europe for over 1 year's time, and when they finally later flew home to visit family and friends they got a serious, nasty interrogation "welcome home" from U.S. Customs/Police upon arrival at the airport. "Why were you gone so long, and what have you been doing?"
Another layer of hassle U.S. citizens working and living abroad in Europe or elsewhere must deal with now is how the internet flight booking websites (Orbitz.com, or Vayama.com, Kayak, etc.), will refuse or make very difficult buying a round trip ticket to USA. For example, they process your payment for the flight--and then cancel your flight and bill you a $50 cancellation fee! What a scam. Vayama did this to me. Orbitz had the decency to at least refuse me the chance to book a flight originating outside of the USA. Strange, isn't it? We read in the corporate media nonstop that "we live in a global world with global corporations doing global business, go global for better job opportunities, blah blah effin' blah..." but when you actually do go overseas to live and work and try to do business with all these "global" corporations (especially the airlines and internet ticketing websites) they WON'T accomodate anybody living outside of the USA! And of course here is GW Bush making international travel--already difficult enough--even MORE painful and police-state ridden. In a subtle way, we can see here how the USA's police state Bush/Cheney style of U.S. Marshall everything is now trying to creep across the Atlantic to Europe...will Europe do what it SHOULD DO and take a stand against this madness or will they roll over like a good doggy? Only time will tell...I sure hope Europe comes to its rightful senses and stops accommodating the sociapathy of Bush/Cheney. There is no reasoning with sociopaths; and I hope and pray they don't annul the 2008 elections with some pre-fabricated "terrorist attack" or something. Like John Lennon said long ago: "Strange days indeed; most peculiar mama."
W just wants some of his guys on the upcoming "911" event that makes him Dictator! If they are there it will go smooth.
I guess I'm curious as to why anyone thinks any of this will change after Bush leaves office. The Dems have uniformly supported this administration in all its data-grabbing, privacy-busting requests. In cases where they were illegally collecting data, they've helped pass laws giving them retroactive immunity. In the current debate over the FISA bill, the Dem leadership favors giving the telecoms that acted illegally a retroactive immunity for that.
So, if McCain's elected, I don't see any change in this. And if either Obama or Hillary is elected, I don't see any change in this. Both have been voting in support of these grabs of information by the government. I can't think of either coming out and forcefully saying this will end if they are in charge. So why do people think that all we need to do is to wait out the end of this criminal administration.
BTW, the really nasty part of this is that they keep all of this on record. They aren't so much interested in stopping one traveler a day before their flight. What they are interested in is in trying to accumulate as much information on anyone so that when they decide to look into a person they can go back and look at all their travel history. That's what they are doing with the US data, and that's why they have the absurd request for data on travelers who will never even enter the US, just overfly our airspace. Such travelers obviously aren't a threat to Americans. They just want the data.
Whether it's Obama or Clinton ( well, not her because she won't change anything ) in the White House, the first order of business in addition to getting out of Iraq, should be to either repeal or modify Homeland Security. A bunch of bureaucrats being paid and spending billions for any scheme they can dream up. Get rid of them. They won't even have enough ability to stand in the soup line when they are fired. Or maybe we'll want to see their IDs before they get a bowl.
One thing always strikes me. I'm old enough that I grew up as a young kid in the sixties and early seventies. Back then, when they tried to teach us kiddies as to why the Soviet Union was wicked and evil and why the US was so free and wonderful, the one example they used to give was that if people in the SU wanted to travel, they had to have permission from the government in advance and that they would always be stopped at checkpoints along the way where they had to show their papers to police.
I think of that everytime I'm trying to travel and I have to show my papers to the police at the checkpoints in the airports.
The compromise will be exemptions for elite travelers. The one people who they will credit with a legitimate excuse for traveling on short notice will be business travelers. And they also fund the political system. So they'll get an exception.
Just like the shortcut lines at the airport that let all the first class travelers bypass the wait lines for security.
I wrote a letter to the Guardian/UK begging the people of the EU to resist, to push back, to say "hell no" and MAYBE get something jumpstarted - something called Freedom. The world has to start pushing back, bring coalitions together to resist the fascist USA. I also remember the evil commies and how they stopped their people from travelling, we were taught at our mother's knee how evil they were. And now here we are. Unbelievable. I choose not to fly which restricts/conscricts my life. But I know I cannot deal with it all. I'd be one they'd taser for sure because I have a hard time keeping my opinions to myself. Perhaps I'm on a list already. Many of us are. What a world, what a world, the witch of the west exclaimed as she melted into a little puddle.
Wonder if Israel has been "asked" to adhere to the new flight info "clampdown," or Saudi Arabia, or Jordan, or the UAE, or Uzbekistan. South America? Japan? Is it just the EU?
Here's the best part: "...compelling all travelers to apply online for permission to enter the country before booking or buying a ticket, a procedure that will take several days."
It takes six weeks min for US citizens to get a passport. So what does "several days" mean? 30? 60? What if you need to travel right away? Or are just feeling spontaneous?
It's enough to make one hate our freedoms...
The Evil Empire of the USA want to have sole control over who travels in the world and who doesn't...just like their Nazi forrunners did...should we really trust a system that had Senator Ted Kennedy on the no-fly list as a terrorist suspect?
I'm sure Senator Palpatine...er... Clinton will straighten all this out when she is elected to run the Empire.
He's beginning to sound like an inside-out Ceausescu.
Who wants to visit the United States anyway?
I have not been there since 1982 and do not miss it at all.
Everyone is welcome in Canada (unless Harper gets his way and the "no fly" list becomes a mirror image of the one south of the border).
Meanwhile, enjoy.
In Plan Fortress America, they are already guarding the roads before the gates are closed. But the gates are only half finished and there are no foundations yet dug for the walls.
GWOT; A smokescreen for any party occasion.
US citizens don't want this crap. We never agreed to it. We want Bush and Cheney impeached.
Check out this: Talk by Naomi Wolf author of "The End of America: Letter of Warning To A Young Patriot" given October 11, 2007 at Kane Hall on the University of Washington campus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
These restrictions are unnecessary and potentially dangerous but you can do something about it.
Simply forget about that trip you wanted to take until the security requirements are reasonable. Save yourself some money and reduce your global warming impact at the same time.
The older generation in Europe remembers Hitler's Nazi Power or at least they should. But here in America our fathers who fought in WW11 are dying and losing their voice. And our schools are not teaching American or German history. No, it was not enough for Bush to devastate Iraq, he seems to have bigger plans. And if you have your money in a bank and want to emigrate, forget it, as there will be no escape. The danger to democracy has balooned since this evil President and Cheney have taken over and demolished our civil rights, but now expect to oppress the rest of the world. But Americans are all glued on the tube and watching for another election that may never happen as long as this cowardly draft dodger rules the Congress, NSA,FBI, and Homeland Security which is a joke.
Jess:"Whether it's Obama or Clinton... in the White House, the first order of business in addition to getting out of Iraq, should be to either repeal or modify Homeland Security".
Don't dare dream this beautiful possibility until we win the "Second Cold War" in the next N (N=infinite?) presidencies.
Please see this marvelous piece of propaganda:
After Bush
The Case for Continuity in American Foreign Policy
Timothy J. Lynch
Institute for the Study of the Americas, University of London
Robert S. Singh
Birkbeck College, University of London
The foreign policy of the George W. Bush administration has won few admirers, and many anticipate that his successor will repudiate the actions of the past eight years. In their provocative account Lynch and Singh argue that Bush's policy should be placed within the mainstream of the American foreign policy tradition. Further, they suggest that there will, and should, be continuity in US foreign policy from his presidency to those of his successors. Providing a positive audit of the war on terror (which they contend should be understood as a Second Cold War) they maintain that the Bush doctrine has been consistent with past policy at times of war and that the key elements of Bush's grand strategy will continue to shape America's approach in the future. Above all, they predict that his successors will pursue the war against Islamist terror with similar dedication.
• A fresh and provocative account of the foreign policy of the George W. Bush administration • Engages with the dominant historical interpretations on US foreign policy with a clear assessment of their strengths and weaknesses • Asks vital questions about what the next president's foreign policy will look like, arguing that it is unlikely to change, irrespective of which party wins the White House
Contents
Introduction: winning the second Cold War; 1. Bush and the American foreign policy tradition; 2. The constitution of American national security; 3. The second Cold War on Islamist terror: negative audits; 4. The second Cold War on Islamist terror: a positive audit; 5. Iraq: Vietnam in the sand?; 6. The Middle East: reformation or Armageddon?; 7. Friends and foes after Bush; 8. The emerging consensus at home and abroad; Conclusion. The case for continuity.
Reviews
'Lynch and Singh make a compelling case that the Bush doctrine will outlast the current American president, and they assemble considerable evidence to show that fundamental components of the doctrine are consistent with foreign policy tradition. The authors skilfully depersonalize the debate about American foreign policy in order to move beyond the current obsession with George W. Bush.' Robert J. Lieber, Professor of Government and International Affairs, Georgetown University
'Whatever one might think of the argument that the Bush Doctrine not only will but should survive the Bush presidency - and I, for one, strongly disagree - Lynch and Singh develop it cogently and with great vigor. An important contribution to the literature on American foreign policy.' Ivo Daalder, Co-author, America Unbound: The Bush Revolution in Foreign Policy
'The common sense view - shared by the chattering classes around the world - is that Bush has failed, that the war on terror has been a disaster, and that the United States should return with all speed to the multilateral system it so unnecessarily abandoned some time during 2001. Here is a book that frontally challenges all these cosy assumptions. The world and the United States have changed for ever - it insists - and the sooner the rest of us get used to the fact the better. A provocative, trenchantly argued study, that leaves the reader with few places to hide.' Professor Michael Cox, London School of Economics
'Timothy Lynch and Robert Singh do a fine job of defending the foreign policy approach of the George W. Bush administration. Deeply unfashionable and brilliantly polemical, After Bush will redefine the parameters of debate.' John Dumbrell, Professor of Government, Durham University
'More compellingly than the Bush administration itself, Lynch and Singh argue that a Second Cold War is underway, this time against radical Islam. U.S. policies, they hold, must resemble those of the original Cold War. And American responses since 9/11 are sound and will endure. With panache, After Bush offers a well researched, original, and refreshing tonic to a truck-load of anti-Bush screeds.' Daniel Pipes, Director, Middle East Forum
'Outstanding: a worthy successor volume to Kagan's Dangerous Nation'. Brendan Simms, University of Cambridge
'Learned, judicious, and courageous - this study of the Bush foreign policy will continue to illuminate and explain long after today's philippics and polemics have been consigned to the back shelves. A uniquely valuable work.' David Frum, Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
'After Bush is a serious, carefully researched and documented analysis of American policy in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. Lynch and Singh demolish a great many of the dozens of myths and misconceptions that have become the conventional wisdom about the Bush administration's response to terrorism, the decision to go into Iraq and the thinking and influence of neoconservatives. It will take many more such books to balance the mountain of nonsense that has been piled up by ideologically driven academics and a huge flock of journalistic sheep. They should be congratulated for having made a start.' Richard Perle, Fellow, American Enterprise Institute and Former Assistant Secretary of Defense
'This book is required reading for both defenders and critics of the current direction of American foreign policy. The authors make the provocative case that the policies of the Presidents to come will resemble those of the Bush administration, because Bush himself followed the historical traditions of America's approach to the world. On the other hand, the authors argue that a Second Cold War against Islamist terrorism has more in common with the first Cold War than many would like to think. This fascinating combination of foreign policy, strategy, and even constitutional law should cause readers to reconsider their fundamental positions.' John Yoo, Professor of Law, UC Berkeley
It's not so much that Bush is back on the bottle, though he may be. It's more that he is driven by his need to effect destruction; that is simply the only way he knows how to operate. This is pretty much the gist of the very insightful book, "Bush On The Couch" by Dr. Justin Frank.
Hey COMARK, could you explain something?
Here you agree we are having big problems with Bush and our Fascist empire. On another thread, you just wrote that you don't believe Bush would enact martial law and cancell the elction if we have a depresion. That does not seem to be consistant rationalization to me.
One World Order......are we going to let it happen?
There is only one way to stop it and that is to impeach!
Posterkid: Had you noticed that the kudos are all from Bush's buddies? You must have to have taken the time to copy the remarks. Propaganda for sure!
As a Canadian, should I wish to fly-over the US, I need a passport. This is about the dumbest thing that I have ever heard. The next dumbest is the info that the US wishes from the passengers coming from the EU. (BTW - looks like Czech gov't is going to sign it - something about visas to visit US).
I have been boycotting the US since 2002, avoiding buying products from, whenever possible and certainly not visiting. It is a one person boycott and probably not affecting much, but then, I know others who are doing the same thing.
The US is not a place I have any desire to visit considering all the horror stories about the officious officials at borders and airports I have heard from associates and acquaintances. Nor do I have any interest in visiting a country that obviously does not want to encourage visitors.
Yes, I believe this is to isolate us. One of the things that must happen when you want to control someone or someones is to isolate them.
Police state? Yeah. I was driving in Los Angeles last month and saw a big POSTER on the sidewalk. It was inviting men and women to join the LAPD RESERVES for 'times of emergency'!! RESERVES for what??? For a police state, that's what. As soon as I saw that sign, I knew we were doomed. They are planning something, I'll bet. And they'll aim for a city like Los Angeles. I've been here 22 years, and the LAPD has never had a "reserve" of ordinary citizens!
These people are as evil as evil can be. But I don't believe they will succeed ultimately. They will get so far, and then it will all come apart because they are just a bunch of egotistical criminals, and the world is sick of this cr*p.
* Something big and ugly is about to happen. The five undersea cables cut last week, the Blackberry outage, and the bank failures.
An interesting source is Worldreports.org which. predicted this just announced airline fight between the US & Europe. It seems that the Bush crime family has created a situation that could be they're undoing.