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After Waterboarding Admission Senate Democrats Want Investigation
Senate Democrats demanded a criminal investigation into waterboarding by government interrogators after the Bush administration admitted for the first time that the tactic was used on three terror suspects.
In congressional testimony, CIA director Michael Hayden became the first administration official to publicly acknowledge the agency used waterboarding on detainees following the September 11 2001, terrorist attacks.
Waterboarding involves strapping a suspect down and pouring water over his cloth-covered face to create the sensation of drowning. It has been traced back hundreds of years, to the Spanish Inquisition, and is condemned by nations around the world.
"We used it against these three detainees because of the circumstances at the time," Mr Hayden told the Senate Intelligence Committee.
"There was the belief that additional catastrophic attacks against the homeland were inevitable. And we had limited knowledge about al Qaida and its workings. Those two realities have changed."
Hayden said Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubayda and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri were waterboarded in 2002 and 2003. Mr Hayden banned the technique in 2006, but National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell told senators during the same hearing yesterday that waterboarding remained in the CIA arsenal - so long as it had the specific consent of the president and legal approval of the attorney general.
That prompted Senator Dick Durbin, the Senate's number two Democrat and a member of the Judiciary Committee, to call on the Justice Department to open a criminal inquiry into whether past use of waterboarding broke any law.
The Pentagon has banned its employees from using waterboarding to extract information from detainees and FBI Director Robert Mueller said his investigators did not use coercive tactics in interviewing terror suspects.
Senator Durbin, already frustrated with attorney general Michael Mukasey's refusal last week to define waterboarding as a form of torture - as critics have - said he would block the nomination of the Justice Department's second in command if the criminal inquiry was not opened.
It was a particularly sharp threat by Senator Durbin, who represents Illinois - the same state that US District Judge Mark Filip of Chicago, the deputy attorney general nominee, calls home.
"In light of the Justice Department's continued non-responsiveness to Congress on the issue of torture, including your disappointing testimony on waterboarding last week, I have reluctantly concluded that placing a hold on Judge Filip's nomination is my only recourse for eliciting timely and complete responses to important questions on torture," Senator Durbin wrote in a letter to Mr Mukasey yesterday.
He added: "A Justice Department investigation should explore whether waterboarding was authorised and whether those who authorised it violated the law."
Justice Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse declined to comment except to say that the department "is reviewing the letter carefully".
Human Rights Watch, which has been calling on the US government to outlaw waterboarding as a form of illegal torture, called Mr Hayden's testimony "an explicit admission of criminal activity".
Joanne Mariner, the group's counterterrorism director, said it "gives the lie" to the administration's claims that the CIA had not used torture. "Waterboarding is torture, and torture is a crime," she said.
Critics say waterboarding has been outlawed under the United Nations' Convention Against Torture, which prohibits treatment resulting in long-term physical or mental damage.
They also say it should be recognised as banned under the US 2006 Military Commissions Act, which prohibits treatment of terror suspects that is described as "cruel, inhuman and degrading". The act, however, does not explicitly ban waterboarding by name.
During his own Senate appearance last week, Mr Mukasey refused to declare waterboarding illegal, prompting Democrats to accuse him of potentially allowing the harsh interrogation tactic to be used in the future.
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Show AllSend them to the Hague!! Waterboarding IS torture and people have been convicted for it in the past. We don't need anybody to tell anybody what waterboarding is. Get on with the TRIALS! Convict! Jail these monsters - ALL of them. Bush and Cheney included. NOW!
Round up the usual suspects!
Well, as I've said before, law is how you interpret it. In the United States, the government can:
Pick me off my porch or off the street, put a bag over my head, take me to an undisclosed location, strip me and put me in an ice cold room, a hot room, bombard me with sub lethal levels of sound, or isolate me in silence and darkness.
They can beat me with truncheons, waterboard me, pull out my finger and toenails, one at a time, pull my teeth, break my bones starting with each finger. They can attach electrodes to my body and shock me. They can force feed me, give me enemas with a hose as long as it does not lead to rupture.
All these things they can do to me and more, as long as it does not lead directly to organ failure or death.
Because that is the Bush regime's definition of torture. "Any action that leads directly to organ failure or death."
Everything else is just fooling around, having fun, the boys letting off a little steam. I think it has even been referred to as no more than college pranks.
The Democrats demand? Methinks not!
There is only one definition of torture. It is described in Section 7(e) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, accepted by The Hague. See this link:
http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/romefra.htm
This document contains the internationally accepted definition as:
"Torture" means the intentional infliction of severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, upon a person in the custody or under the control of the accused; except that torture shall not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to, lawful sanctions.
In accordance with International Law, under the definition of Torture in the Crimes Against Humanity article, Waterboarding IS a form of torture and therefore punishable in The Hague as a War Crime.
Michael Mukasey and Michael Hayden are war criminals. It would be impossible to defend their case in The Hague.
How ironic. The ancient art of "water-boarding" is the original water baptism. It causes a near-death experience and then the supplicant is reborn into the new life of the awakened spirit.
Today's baptism is simply a relic and symbolic ritual of the pre-Christain era baptismal cults (Isis/Osiris, Mithras, etc.).
Also of interest is the use of mind-control techniques in the creation of the "suicide bombers". Who exactly is behind the groups creating this army of young, innocent (and increasingly female) terror suicide assets?
For fun and illumination look up the origin of the word: assassin
Mind-control is an ancient art and it has improved considerably over the past 50 years. Look up "Jose Delgado charging bull", and that was over 40 years ago, and public...
Things are not what they seem. And much more sinister.
JMB
Interrogating prisoners of war is specifically prohibited by the Geneva Conventions.
This "fine point" has been completely lost in all these discussions of "interrogation techniques."
Of course that's one reason these POW's have had an entirely new category - "enemy combatants" - created for their abuse.
Give me an effin break!! Are we to seriously believe waterboarding was limited to just three people out of the thousands upon thousands who have been detained? What about those people not named here who were kidnapped and flown to other countries and tortured -- then released becuase the CIA had the wrong people, people who talked about being tortured, waterboarded. Give me a break!! Torture does not produce truth or anything usable, but capturing thousands of people is pretty good propaganda to support the "the war on terror" BS, that we're rounding up the "evil doers" -- yeah, that'll work.
am i the only person thinking that bush has "allowed" this testimony NOW so we'll be focused on the investigation (which could likely last years given the fact that these guys "do not recall" anything until the terrorist-in-chief tells them they know it) that we'll completely overlook the fact that DIEBOLD's FAULTY MACHINES ARE STILL BEING USED IN OUR ELECTIONS?
...AND STILL HAVING THE SAME BULLSHIT PROBLEMS WE'VE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN???
HEY CONGRESS... YOU MIGHT WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TOO!
(from the article)
As I reported here yesterday, numerous voters complained to voter hotlines yesterday about the process for confirming voter registration. In Georgia, the issue caused extensive delays -- two and a half hours and more.
Today I received recordings of some of those calls and am posting them for readers to hear. The hotline only provided voters with 60 seconds to leave their message so some of the callers are cut off mid-complaint.
Georgia has replaced the old paper method of verifying voters with an e-pollbook device made by Diebold Election Systems (Georgia uses a model that is slightly different from the one pictured at right) to verify voter eligibility against the state's voter registration database. The digital devices had serious problems in Maryland in 2006 when they froze and spontaneously booted in every precinct there. Although the Georgia callers complain about the use of these devices, they don't mention any specific technical problems with them.
The first voter calls the verification machines "a joke" and says officials should be "ashamed" for using them. He says that although his precinct had 11 voting machines/booths for casting ballots, only three were being used due to the backup for the verification process, which caused a three-hour wait for voters. He says 1st graders would have done a better job than poll workers were doing.
* Registration Verification Issues in Fulton, GA (.mp3)
Other voters complained that there weren't enough e-pollbooks at their precincts, resulting in long waits and voters leaving the line.
* 2-hr Wait in Dekalb, GA (.mp3)
* Wait Too Long; Left Poll in Lawrenceville, GA (.mp3)
* Verification Delays in Fulton, GA (.mp3)
The calls came from a separate hotline from the one I wrote about yesterday. This hotline was run by InfoVoter Technologies and was promoted before the election by the NAACP-NVF and the Tom Joyner Morning Show.
According to Harry Cook, vice president of InfoVoter Technologies, they received more than 10,000 calls to the line yesterday. Most of these calls were requests for polling locations and other information. But about 2,000 calls were related to problems at the polls.
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/voter-calls-con.html
"Democrats Want Investigation"???
What a joke. Are they going to prosecute Pelosy and rest of the gang, who are complicit in everything that the Bush junta has brought upon our country? Give me a break...
And were you part of the sheep herd that went yesterday to anoint another Dem? Someone from the same party that can best be describes as Bush-enabling party?
you're right citizen1,
perhaps we should all vote for no one and see how that plays out.
you're observant, but unwise.
Nope satr9prodxns, we all have a choice. We can vote independent, Green or even write in a candidate. We all have more choice than the establishment wants us to believe.
We get the government that we deserve....
Oh, wow, the Democrats say they want to investigate. I'm sure that has people just quaking in their boots.
Lets see if I can predict what will happen. The Dems will call for an investigation. Justice and the Administration of course won't. The Dems will do nothing. The Dems will call for Senate hearings. They'll hold the hearings, because all the Dems really just want is the headlines. We'll have lots of hot air spewed by Dem Senators. But in the end nothing will happen.
What really just happened is that the CIA just admitted they violated Federal laws against torture and treaties the US has signed and ratified against torture. People should be going to jail, and for long periods of time. Not only the actual people who did this but everyone who approved it all the way to the very top.
That won't happen. Today's statement was just an attempt at getting a cheap headline. And any hearings they hold will just be an attempt at getting a cheap headline.
Has everyone figured out by now that one of the priorities on the Dem agenda is to PREVENT anyone in this administration from paying any real price for the illegal acts they commit. The Dems are protecting the Republicans. You won't see anyone in a Federal prison for this.
Unless of course so many people vote Green that these Dem seats in Congress turn into Green Party seats. The Green Party would do something about this. The Dems won't.
See also yesterdays CD story where Obama and Clinton were 'unclear' on where they stand on this issue. Nothing new there. Just new puppets fronting the same evil policy.
Because that is the Bush regime's definition of torture. "Any action that leads directly to organ failure or death."
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Even at that level, this administration has already admitted many cases of illegal torture. There was a report several years ago, and only a few years into these wars that admitted that over a hundred people had died while in custody.
Even with the Admin's ridiculous definition of torture, there were still hundreds of violations of the laws and treaties against torture.
Nothing happened on any big level about this, although I think a couple of enlisted men might have been charged in a couple of the worst cases.
There's been plenty of evidence to go after this administration for violating the laws and treaties against torture for years now. The Dems of course do nothing about it. Don't expect any different now.
Vote GREEN! Vote Independent. But don't vote Dem. If you vote Dem, you are signing up as a supporter of torture and evil. If you don't think of yourself as evil, you can't vote for evil ... even the very marginally slightly lessor variety. If you vote Dem, you are evil.
Two points on waterboarding.
1) Obama is dead-set AGAINST waterboarding. Clinton is open to CONTINUING waterboarding. Evidence:
Obama against:
"I have been consistent in my strong belief that no Administration should allow the use of torture, including so-called 'enhanced interrogation techniques' like water-boarding, head-slapping, and extreme temperatures. It's time that we had a Department of Justice that upholds the rule of law and American values, instead of finding ways to enable the President to subvert them. No more political parsing or legal loopholes." -- Barack Obama, 10/29/07 [quoted on tpmemelectioncentral website 10/29/07]
Hillary Clinton:
"In an interview with the editors of the NY Daily News, Senator Clinton apparently suggested that when faced with the so-called "ticking time bomb" scenario, the use of techniques that may constitute torture would be okay -- so long as whoever is president approved them and reported their use to Congress, even secretly." [Oct 2006]
http://www.isthatlegal.org/archives/2006/10/torture_necessi.html
"Clinton was similarly vague about how she would handle special interrogation methods used by the CIA. She said that while she does not condone torture, so much has been kept secret that she would not know unlesselected what other extreme measures interrogators are using, and therefore could not say whether she would change or continue existing policies." -- Washington Post, 10/10/07.
Husband Bill has also stated support for use of waterboarding, according to this report:
"... described by former President Clinton in an interview with National Public Radio: 'You picked up someone you know is the No. 2 aide to Osama bin Laden. And you know they have an operation planned for the United States or some European capital in the next three days. And you know this guy knows it. Right, that's the clearest example. And you think you can only get it out of this guy by shooting him full of some drugs or waterboarding him or otherwise working him over.' He said Congress should draw a narrow statute 'which would permit the president to make a finding in a case like I just outlined, and then that finding could be submitted even if after the fact to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.'" -- in a column of Alan Dershowitz, Wall Street journal, 11/7/07
2) The justification always cited, including again today by the white house (in confirming openly for the first time that they did it in the past and will consider doing it again) is the "ticking time bomb" scenario. Only problem is: the three past cases of waterboarding that the White Houses now admits, were not "ticking time bomb" cases. There were no known time considerations. Those three waterboardings were in effect going fishing for information that these people might have, a generic "we have ways of making you talk". When officials use the "ticking time bomb" scenario, this is a ploy.
I think of my late father, World War II Pacific theatre combat bomber flight veteran and lifelong "Goldwater Republican" conservative. He lived long enough to read in the newspapers reports that Bush-Cheney were considering use of torture. My father literally cried, saying "Oh no ... this is not the America that I fought for and loved." Torture was what Japanese and North Koreans did to American POWs. It was not what America did, my now-frail father kept saying. This was no minor issue to my father. This issue alone deeply and bitterly disillusioned my father concerning the Republican Party and the present White House, and he died disillusioned over what he had risked his life earlier to defend.
If the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton to run against McCain, it will be the irony of the Democratic candidate being open to continuing waterboarding, against the Republican nominee, McCain, who has been vocal about ruling out such.
This difference between Obama and Hillary is not trivial. If you want to see TORTURE CONTINUED (despite both Bush and Hillary say they are "against torture" even as they dissemble about waterboarding), vote Hillary. If you want to see TORTURE ENDED, vote Obama.
As long as we pay taxes we are part of the problem. If we could all just grow a real set of balls and not pay a penny to the US gov woud it really make a diffence ? Not the way we have allowed dubya to get away with what he has.
BillB: Would you please explain to the rest of us wage slaves exactly how we get our employers to stop withholding federal taxes from our paychecks as required by law?
P.S. Balls? Being female, I really don't want any of those. Thanks
"WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States may use waterboarding to question terrorism suspects in the future, the White House said Wednesday, rejecting the widely held belief that the harsh practice amounts to torture."
There's nothing to investigate - everyman is at risk!
The US has lost ALL moral authority, FOREVER. A criminal junta is currently running this pity banana republic! This is really getting out of hand. I am so sorry for you, people!
Investigation! Investigation!
Go to Hell with your investigations. An Everest of evidence has been right before your eyes for years now.
The White House has just admitted to criminal conduct. Where are the warrants? Where are the handcuffs? Where are the waiting police cars?
If anyone thinks the Democrats are going to seriously investigate this, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. We have the power, we have the voices, we need to use them.
http://www.ryanhartman.wordpress.com
highrie, it's interesting that you should bring this up. I know a woman who is 86 years old in a rural Missouri County who is one of only a handful of Democrats in the otherwise Republican County. Large numbers of the Republicans in that county are dirt poor, yet they continually vote Republican against their own best interest. Since this woman is public spirited she is always asked to work the polls as a Democrat. After the February 5th election she related to me that for the first time in the last thirty years that she has worked the polls, many more people chose to take the Democratic ballot. She was very surprised and believes that even in a very rural conservative county people are changing. Many people have apparently reached the bottom of their tolerance.