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Was Encounter With Cheney a Touch, a Slap or a Shove?
DENVER - No one can agree on what exactly happened the day a Colorado man spotted Dick Cheney strolling the streets of a ski resort town and decided to give the vice president a piece of his mind.
Steve Howards, 55, says he walked up to Cheney and delivered his message -- "Your policies in Iraq are disgusting" -- then lightly touched the vice president's shoulder.
The White House photographer says he saw Howards slap Cheney on the back.
Cheney's personal aide remembers Howards placing his hand on Cheney's arm and shaking his hand.
As for the Secret Service agents who arrested Howards on suspicion of assault: two say he lightly clapped Cheney on the shoulder; one demonstrated it as a shove; a fourth said Howards reached over several small children and struck Cheney.
Since the agents -- now accusing one another of changing their stories and lying about what happened -- can't agree, Cheney should give his own version, Howards said.
He has filed a federal lawsuit against the agents, claiming they violated his right to free speech and protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
"He's the so-called victim of the assault. Clearly the vice president should have very relevant testimony to give," said Howards' attorney, David Lane, who this month asked a federal judge to order U.S. marshals to serve a subpoena to the White House.
Getting the vice president in a witness box would be a historic achievement.
It's exceedingly rare for high-level officials to testify or give depositions, said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a Washington group that advocates for transparency in government.
Fitton said he could not recall any instance in which Cheney had given a deposition while in office.
He said that to compel such a high-ranking executive branch official to testify, one must show that that official has information that couldn't be obtained in another way -- the same argument Cheney's attorney made in U.S. District Court last week.
Biz Van Gelder, a Washington lawyer who specializes in white-collar criminal defense, disagrees.
"I know of no law that says the vice president of the United States is immune from service process because he's the vice president," she said.
One question the courts will consider is how much of an intrusion it is on the schedule of the vice president to be called to testify, said Joel Goldstein, a law professor at St. Louis University and an expert on the vice presidency.
Perhaps the best-known example of a president or vice president giving a deposition in recent times is former President Clinton's 1998 testimony in the sexual harassment lawsuit filed against him by Paula Jones, an event whose anniversary is still noted in "Today in History" newspaper columns.
Another example is the 1990 testimony of former President Reagan as a defense witness in the trial of former national security advisor John M. Poindexter.
And last year, speculation swirled that Cheney would testify at the criminal trial of his former aide, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, but that didn't happen.
Experts noted that situations such as the Howards-Cheney exchange are rare.
"These sorts of things don't happen that often because they have a pretty sheltered existence," Goldstein said.
On June 16, 2006, Howards, an environmental consultant, was with his family in Beaver Creek, a resort town about 100 miles west of Denver, when he spotted Cheney walking down the street.
That morning, Howards said he had read a newspaper article that listed the number of troops killed in Iraq.
"I was outraged," he said. "The fact he happened to cross my way, I felt, was an opportunity I couldn't ignore."
So Howards said he spoke his piece, then patted the right shoulder of Cheney's silk suit and walked away. A Secret Service agent caught up with him a few minutes later and began to question him.
The agent, Virgil "Gus" Reichle Jr., did not see what happened. But he said other agents told him an assault had occurred -- that Howards slapped Cheney "with such force that his shoulder dipped," according to Reichle's deposition.
Reichle arrested Howards, but assault charges were never filed. Instead, Howards was issued a summons for misdemeanor harassment, but the district attorney later dismissed the charge, saying it was clear Howards hadn't attacked Cheney.
What transpired next is anything but clear.
In his Nov. 27 deposition, Reichle claimed the other agents later changed their stories to say there was no assault -- perhaps because they didn't want to inconvenience Cheney with any legal hassles.
"Certainly they don't want him to be bothered with a deposition," he said. "Perhaps Vice President Cheney just was willing to let it go, you know. He's a tough guy, played high school football."
Another agent, Daniel McLaughlin, denied that he had ever considered the incident to be an assault. After Howards' arrest, he said, he and another agent, Adam Daniels, wrote statements describing what they had seen -- physical contact but no assault.
McLaughlin said Reichle called him several hours after the arrest and asked him to alter his written statement.
"[Reichle] said, 'I need you to change your statement; your story and mine are not the same.' I said, 'My statement is what I recollect from what I participated in. We're not having this conversation.' Then I hung up on him," McLaughlin testified.
The next morning, McLaughlin said Reichle confronted him and said, " 'The vice president's detail is involved in a cover-up.' I thought that he had taken a giant leap away from his good senses."
A Secret Service spokesman declined to comment on the case because of the litigation.
The agents' rancorous difference of opinion makes Cheney a crucial witness in the case, the attorney for Howards argued.
He said it was customary for lawyers to accept subpoenas on behalf of their clients, but Cheney's attorney, James Gilligan, had refused to do so.
Gilligan noted that the agents and other government employees had complied with depositions. Asking the vice president, he said, "is a different kettle of fish."
To compel the testimony of a high-level official, the plaintiff must show the testimony can't be gleaned from other sources, Gilligan said.
Magistrate Judge Craig Shaffer ordered Gilligan to present his legal arguments by the end of February outlining why Cheney should not be subpoenaed. Another hearing is scheduled for March 6.
© 2008 The Los Angeles Times
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Show Allperhaps because they didn't want to inconvenience Cheney with any legal hassles.
going to prison for war crimes is kind of a hassle too.
There are two sets of laws in Amerika -- those for the rich and powerful, and those for everyone else.
This story makes me feel like I've fallen down the rabbit hole!
I am surprised. I thought Cheney lived in a bunker. Given the fact he seems to be real president some Jihadi could have easily taken him out. I guess he just isnt worth the bother.
The hearing should be rescheduled to April 1st.
The "jihadis" are under contract to Cheney and his buddies. They're not going to take out their boss!
"He has filed a federal lawsuit against the agents, claiming they violated his right to free speech and protection from unreasonable search and seizure" The only story here is the violation of Mr. Howards's rights and thus worthy of discussing.
I can see them swearing Dick in now:
Baliff: "Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God?"
Dick: (manical laughter) *Shrug* "Sure OK"
IF Dick perjured himself I can see Mukasey now saying "Well there is no clear definition of 'perjury' as set forth. We are currently examining these facts but "No government official commits purjury."
The sad part is that you're grinning and sick to your stomach at the same time.
Hey, don't bother the VP he is busy making money for himself and his buddies! Check this out:
http://blip.tv/file/520347
dick looks happy. No doubt he is remembering his attendance at some recent torture session.
I would never touch, let alone slap on the shoulder this abhorrent being.
Ladybug:
That's very true, I would be very afraid to get within several yards of that lying sack of Sh*t.
Cheney's lawyer is named Gilligan. Maybe Cheney is living on Gilligan's Island. That explains a lot about the squatters in the White House. Who's hotter, Mary Anne or Ginger? I was always a Mary Anne guy.
Forgive me, but this guy Howard is a moron for touching Cheney. Any bravery points he wins for speaking his mind he loses on trying to get physical with a guy who is followed everywhere by Secret Service detail.
Wouldn't it be funny if the Dick was forced to testify under oath for such a puny incident and was found guilty of perjury? I mean, is the Dick capable of telling the truth? I would LOVE to see him tripped up on something so stupid!
Go Howard!! Let the games begin...........
Note to war opponents: next time you see Cheney or one of that gang walking down the street, don't touch or harass him. Give him the Hitler salute or something instead. Or say something pity like, "4000 dead American soldiers and a hundred thousand dead Iraqis thank you, Mr. Cheney. Have a rotten day."
After reading the headline, did anyone else assume this story was about Cheney attacking someone?
heehee good one militant liberal, however, I think if it had been me I would have slugged the prick (cheney), but I don't know, maybe I would have just thrown up on him. I'd like to think I would have slugged him, but I might have chickened out. Vomit is always good I think, I mean can they arrest you for vomitting?
The best way would have been to shake Dick's hand in a friendly way while giving him the message about his Iraq War policy.
Just imagine if I was a police man. Surely I could taser him and then claim that he had failed to follow my orders.
Cheney should change his last name to Cranium then his name would fit. This guy is afraid to give a deposition because he can be asked any question that the defense wishes, he is just plain scared. He should be knocking down there door to make this go away.
have to think that i too would probably have had to hit him.
war criminals don't deserve such niceties as "mr. cheney, sir, may i speak with you..."
/1.2 MILLION (that means "A LOT") dead iraqis
/torture
/osama bin who?
/oh yeah... osama bin his business associate.
/$3 BILLION (why, that's 1000 times bigger than a million) per week on an unnecessary war which they knew was doomed to fail... well... cheney did anyway... as he mentions here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEgDIylwPlM
///yeah... i'd have to say i may have punched the shit outta that asshole.
The guy is lucky Cheney didn't shoot him in the face. Oh, thats right, Dick only does that to his friends.
I didn't think dick ever smiled, must have have figured out away to economically evict another american city and claim it as cheney world.
I favor passing the legality of Dueling again. They can duel only with lemon whipped cream pies, squirt guns, water balloons, paint guns, and Epées tipped with marshmallows.
I think that any president or vice president whose net worth, or net worth of his estate or trust or wife or children or grand children, should pay for his own security, but we the voters should have the right to choose who guards him. For this buffoon I would do equal opportunity hiring of the blind and deaf.
to Chunga's Revenge
What Friends?
Forget about the nature of the physical touch on Cheney. The most potent weapon against the ruling elite is the simple truth: "Your policies Iraq are disgusting." Think what a rout there would be if everyone in this country spoke truth to power. That is the real reason the truth teller was arrested; they have to make an example of him and discourage others.
I heard this saying a few years ago: When cutting down a field of wheat, cut down the highest, strongest wheat stalks first.
That grin on Cheney's face means that he gets it. He silenced a truth teller and thinks he's won - for now.
What this country needs is a million more like Steve Howards.
Perhaps Mr. Cheney ran backwards into Mr. Howards, hand.
Maybe we could find an extra suicide bomber next time we know Dickey boy is going to be out for a stroll without the fencing being put up first.
OK. That was in bad taste, but a nice dream for a second.
As for not wanting to interfere with the vice presidents schedule in order for him to testify -- that's bullshit!! If anything he should be setting an example for the rest of citizens of this country. I mean he is suppose to be a leader isn't he??
He can actually venture out into daylight? Will wonders never cease........
The entire ME is the victim of Cheney's assault. How can he seriously pursue this attempt by a law-abiding U.S. citizen to confront his policies as an assault?!
There was a video clip of the 2006 Cheney encounter, perhaps on the Daily Show? Cheney was talking to someone on the sidewalk and without stopping, a youngish man who happened to be walking past tapped Cheney on the shoulder and called back as he kept walking, "Fuck you, Mr. Cheney!" (The "Mr." was a nice touch...). Cheney's Secret Service detail sprinted after the young man and the rest is as you report it -- wish you would have included the video link.
Wait a minute! Cheney shoots a man in the face and never gives a deposition? What has become to our country of laws??????
I certainly hope Howard gets him to the courtroom!
Yea! He's a tough guy, played high school football. This maggot is a real tough guy. This chicken hawk avoided Vietnam as did his boss, chicken shit bush. No problem sending others to fight as long as they can enjoy the fight from the comfort of a padded, full grain leather armchair.
well, at least he didn't shoot him with a SHOTGUN.
I thought only India had "UNTOUCHABLES."
Gee, all this flak about a few unkind words and a tap on the shoulder. Had Cheney been shot in the face with bird-shot, this would have all blown over.
A pretty silly, inconsequential episode but still fun to see something that distracts the evil old bastard from his goal of extinguishing all life on Earth.
Maybe the guy was just patting Cheney down to find WMD hidden in his jacket?
So many peole would like to slap Cheney. A "pat" on the shoulder, seems like such a waste.
There was a video clip of the 2006 Cheney encounter, perhaps on the Daily Show? Cheney was talking to someone on the sidewalk and without stopping, a youngish man who happened to be walking past tapped Cheney on the shoulder and called back as he kept walking, "Fuck you, Mr. Cheney!" (The "Mr." was a nice touch…). Cheney's Secret Service detail sprinted after the young man and the rest is as you report it — wish you would have included the video link.
that was one of the few photo-ops in post-katrina/rita new orleans
...and speaking of...
those photo-ops sure get the hard work done.
how soon until this guy Howard is found dead by apparent suicide?