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The Strangulation of Gaza
The people of Gaza were able to enjoy a few days of freedom last week, after demolition charges brought down the iron wall separating the impoverished Palestinian territory from Egypt, allowing hundreds of thousands to burst out of the virtual prison into which Gaza has been transformed over the past few years--the terminal stage of four decades of Israeli occupation--and to shop for desperately needed supplies in Egyptian border towns.
Gaza's doors are slowly closing again, however. Under mounting pressure from the United States and Israel, Egypt has dispatched additional border guards armed with water cannons and electric cattle prods to try to regain control. It has already cut off the flow of supplies crossing the Suez Canal to its own border towns. For now, in effect, Suez is the new border: even if Palestinians could get out of Gaza in search of new supplies, they would have to cross the desolate expanses of the Sinai Desert and cross the canal, on the other side of which they would find the regular Egyptian army (barred from most of Sinai as a condition of the 1979 Camp David treaty with Israel) waiting for them.
Now that Gaza's fleeting taste of freedom is beginning to fade, the grim reality facing the territory's 1.5 million people is once again looming large. "After feeling imprisoned for so long, it has been a psychological relief for Gazans to know that there is a way out," said John Ging, the local director of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). "But it does not resolve their crisis by any stretch of the imagination."
Indeed, all the frenzied shopping in Egyptian border towns brought into Gaza a mere fraction of the food that UN and other relief agencies have been blocked by Israel from delivering to the people who depend on them for their very survival. As long as the border with Egypt is even partially open, Israel refuses to open its own borders with Gaza to anything other than the bare minimum of industrial fuel to keep the territory's one power plant operating at a subsistence level, and a few trucks of other supplies a day.
UNRWA has almost depleted the stocks of emergency food aid it had previously built up in Gaza. Only thirty-two truckloads of goods have been allowed to enter Gaza since Israel imposed its total closure on January 18; 250 trucks were entering every day before last June, and even that was insufficient to meet the population's needs.
On January 30 UNRWA warned that unless something changes, the daily ration that it will distribute on the 31st to 860,000 destitute refugees in Gaza will lack a protein component: the canned meat that is the only source of protein in the food parcels--which even under the best of circumstances contributes less than two-thirds of minimum daily nourishment--is being held up by Israel, and the stock of those cans inside Gaza has been exhausted. The World Food Program, which feeds another 340,000 people in Gaza, has brought in nine trucks of food aid in the past two weeks; in the seven months before that, it had been bringing in fifteen trucks a day.
Gazans have been ground into poverty by years of methodical Israeli restrictions and closures; 80 percent of the population now depends on food aid for day-to-day subsistence. With the aid, they were receiving "enough to survive, not to live," as the International Red Cross put it. Without it, they will die.
All this is supposed to be in response to Palestinian militant groups' firing of crude homemade rockets into Israel, which rarely cause any actual damage. There can be no excuse for firing rockets at civilian targets, but Israel was squeezing Gaza long before the first of those primitive projectiles was cobbled together. The first fatal rocket attack took place four years ago; Israel has been occupying Gaza for four decades.
The current squeeze on Gaza began in 1991. It was tightened with the institutionalization of the Israeli occupation enabled by the Oslo Accords of 1993. It was tightened further with the intensification of the occupation in response to the second intifada in 2000. It was tightened further still when Israel redeployed its settlers and troops from inside Gaza in 2005 and transformed the territory into what John Dugard, the UN's special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied territories, referred to as a prison, the key to which, Dugard said, Israel had "thrown away." It was tightened to the point of strangulation following the Hamas electoral victory in 2006, when Israel began restricting supplies of food and other resources into Gaza. It was tightened beyond the point of strangulation following the deposition of the Hamas-led government in June 2007. And now this.
When Israel limited commercial shipments of food--but not humanitarian relief--into Gaza in 2006, a senior government adviser, Dov Weisglass, explained that "the idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet but not to make them die of hunger."
Israel's "diet" was taking its toll even before last week. The World Food Program warned last November that less than half of Gaza's food-import needs were being met. Basics including wheat grain, vegetable oil, dairy products and baby milk were in short supply. Few families can afford meat. Anemia rates rocketed to almost 80 percent. UNRWA noted at about the same time that "we are seeing evidence of the stunting of children, their growth is slowing, because our ration is only 61 percent of what people should have and that has to be supplemented."
By further restricting the supply of food to an already malnourished population, Israel has clearly decided to take its "diet" a step further. If the people of Gaza remain cut off from the food aid on which their survival now depends, they will face starvation.
They are now essentially out of food; the water system is faltering (almost half the population now lacks access to safe water supplies); the sewage system has broken down and is discharging raw waste into streets and the sea; the power supply is intermittent at best; hospitals lack heat and spare parts for diagnostic machines, ventilators, incubators; dozens of lifesaving medicines are no longer available. Slowly but surely, Gaza is dying.
Patients are dying unnecessarily: cancer patients cut off from chemotherapy regimens, kidney patients cut off from dialysis treatments, premature babies cut off from blood-clotting medications. In the past few weeks, many more Palestinian parents have watched the lives of their sick children ebb slowly, quietly and (as far as the global media are concerned) invisibly away in Gaza's besieged hospitals than Israelis have been hurt--let alone actually killed--by the erratic firing of primitive homemade rockets from Gaza, about which we have heard so much. (According to the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem, these rockets have killed thirteen Israelis in the past four years, while Israeli forces have killed more than 1,000 Palestinians in the occupied territories in the past two years alone, almost half of them civilians, including some 200 children.)
Israel's squeeze is expressly intended to punish the entire population for the firing of those rockets by militants, which ordinary civilians are powerless to stop. "We will not allow them to lead a pleasant life," said Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert when Israel cut off fuel supplies on January 18, thereby plunging Gaza into darkness. "As far as I am concerned, all of Gaza's residents can walk and have no fuel for their cars."
Olmert's views and, more important, his policies were reaffirmed and given the legal sanction of Israel's High Court. In what human rights organizations referred to as a "devastating" decision, on January 30 the court ruled in favor of the government's plan to further restrict supplies of fuel and electricity to Gaza. "The decision means that Israel may deliberately deprive civilians in Gaza of fuel and electricity supplies," pointed out Sari Bashi, of the Gisha human rights organization in Israel. "During wartime, the civilian population is the first and central victim of the fighting, even when efforts are made to minimize the damage," the court said. In other words, harm to the civilian population is an inevitable effect of war and therefore legally permissible.
That may be the view of Israel's highest legal authority, but it is not how the matter is viewed by international law, which strictly regulates the way civilian populations are to be treated in time of war. "The parties to a conflict must at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants in order to spare the civilian population and civilian property," the International Red Cross points out, invoking the Geneva Conventions and other founding documents of international humanitarian law. "Neither the civilian population as a whole nor individual civilians may be attacked."
Moreover, no matter what Israel's High Court says, what is happening in Gaza is not a war in the conventional sense: Gaza is not a state at war with the state of Israel. It is a territory militarily occupied by Israel. Even after its 2005 redeployment, Israel did not release its hold on Gaza; it continues to control all access to the territory, as well as its airspace, territorial waters and even its population registry. Over and above all the routine prohibitions on attacks on the civilian population and other forms of collective punishment that hold true in case of war, in other words, international law also holds Israel responsible for the welfare of the Gaza population. Article 55 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (1949) specifically demands, for example, that, "to the fullest extent of the means available to it, the Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring the food and medical supplies of the population; it should, in particular, bring in the necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the resources of the occupied territory are inadequate."
Israel's methodical actions make it clear that it is systematically grinding down and now actually starving people for whose welfare it is legally accountable simply because it regards Gaza's 1.5 million men, women and children as a surplus population it would, quite simply, like to get rid of one way or the other: a sentiment made quite clear when Israel's chief Ashkenazi rabbi proposed, shortly after the current crisis began, that the entire Palestinian population of Gaza should just be removed and transferred to the Egyptian desert. "They will have a nice country, and we shall have our country and we shall live in peace," he said, without eliciting even a murmur of protest in Israel.
The overwhelming majority of Gazans are refugees or the descendants of refugees who were expelled from their homes when Palestine was destroyed and Israel was created in 1948. Like all Palestinian refugees, those of Gaza have a moral and legal right to return to the homeland from which they were expelled. Israel blocks their return for the same reason it expelled them in the first place, because their presence would undermine its already tenuous claim to Jewishness (this is the nature of the so-called "demographic problem" about which Israeli politicians openly complain). As long as the refugees live, what Israel regards as the mortal threat of their right of return lives on. But if they would somehow just go away...
"Gaza is on the threshold of becoming the first territory to be intentionally reduced to a state of abject destitution, with the knowledge, acquiescence and--some would say--encouragement of the international community," the commissioner-general of UNRWA warned recently.
The question now is whether the world will simply sit and watch, now that this unprecedented threshold is actually being crossed.
Having taken matters into their hands and destroyed the wall cutting them off from the outside world, it is most unlikely that the people of Gaza will simply submit to that fate. A hermetic closure ultimately depends not merely on Israel's whims but on Egypt's willingness--or ability--to cut off the Palestinians of Gaza and watch them starve. For all the US and Israeli pressure on Egypt, and for all the steps Egypt is now taking, it seems most unlikely that it would let things go that far. Not intervening to save fellow Arabs from the Israeli occupation is one thing; actually participating in their repression is quite another. The Egyptian government would have to answer not only to the people of Palestine but to its own people, and indeed to all Arabs.
Working together, Hamas and the people of Gaza have forced Egypt's hand and made much more visible than ever before the role it had been playing all along in the Israeli occupation and strangulation of Gaza; now that its role in assisting Israel has been revealed, it will be difficult for Egypt to go back to the status quo. Gazans have thrown Israel's plans into disarray, because Israel's leaders could do little more than watch with pursed lips as the people of Gaza burst out of their prison. And they have placed Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and the government of Ramallah in a corner: they will have to choose between defending their people's rights and needs or confirming once and for all--as indeed they are doing--that the PA is there to serve Israel's interests, not those of the Palestinians. In which case they too will one day be called to account.
Saree Makdisi, professor of English and comparative literature at UCLA, is the author of Palestine Inside Out: An Everyday Occupation (Norton).
Copyright © 2008 The Nation
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Show All"Gaza is not a state at war with the state of Israel. "
That is an out and out lie. They are in a formally declared state of war with Israel, and to a certain extent with all Jews. Hamas' charter explicitly states that they want the removal of Israel and for the Palestinians to steal land that has been the Jews' for millennia. The historical evidence that the Palestinians started this war and are entirely responsible for it is overwhelming and indisputable.
No one is imprisoning the Palestinians except themselves. The world community has repeatedly offered them their own state in exchange for them acknowledging international law and recognizing Israel, the way the rest of the world did decades ago. Their suffering is their own fault, due to their own decisions, and the one and only way for them to end it is to acknowledge their own mistakes, and come around to the rest of the world's point of view.
Saree Makdisi .. Thank you, well put and balanced .
mikep, you are disconnected from reality. The fact is that Israel is putting Gaza under seige and imposing subhuman treatment on millions of helpless Palestinians. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for supporting this kind of oppression.
mikep:
It would take too long to deal with your maundering comments at one sitting, but suffice it to say that god, if such a critter exists at all,did not give any land to anybody. And Palestine has not "been the Jews for millenia."
They deserted the land two millenia ago and rode back on the backs of the British military and have remained in control by suborning the U.S. government.
Consider this: those Palestinians you deride most likely descended from Jews who remained behind in Palestine and later converted to Islam.
And a few isolated rocket attacks on Siderot, wrong as they are, do not justify Israel's genocidal policies against the people of Gaza.
It seems to me that the Israelis learrned their lessons extremely well from Hitler's Nazis. They are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza what the Nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. In case the Jews don't understand, the Palestinians are also Semites. Therefore, they can't be anti-semite. All they want is the same thing that people everywhere want- the ability to provide a safe home and food, love and education for their families. People are people, no matter where they are. The Gazan people made a terrible mistake in believing that Democracy would help them. They voted for the wrong people and now must suffer further for their mistaken belief in democracy. The US only likes democracy if it fits with what the US and/or Israel wants.
Give the place back to Egypt, who occupied it from 1948 to 1967.
Mikep needs to know the difference between war and occupation resistance. He also needs to know that the Israelis are also antisemitic (the Palestinians are also semitic).
Mikep, that makes you antisemitic and a apartheid sympathizer.
It never ceases to amaze me how people and masses do to others what was done to them without seeing it. Here we have a nation of Jews who were horribly persecuted, tortured and exterminated during WII. The Shadow of their psyche makes it difficult to see that they are enacting a persecution on Palestinians. The Warsaw Ghetto was a situation that should never be repeated. Keeping millions fenced in in Gaza is heading in that direction. Stop the insanity. Open your heart to all fellow beings. I think until one grieves and forgives and is forgiven, the heart remains closed. Compassion chills. Us and them leads to horrible tragedies. Grieving releases the demons.
Another wonderful accomplishment of the good ol' US of A. The US is the world's most destructive force. When will the wicked witch finally melt?
"and for the Palestinians to steal land that has been the Jews' for millennia"
Yeah ... up is down ... remember the wizard of Oz. I suppose God gave the land to israelis, in which case God should be brought down to earth and bitchslapped.
The "workers" at Auschwitz-Birkenau were "on a diet" too, weren't they?
It's all just the words you choose to use.
The rest of the world's point of view is summed up in UN Resolution 242.
Albert Einstein, in 1938, from his book "IDEAS AND OPINIONS", page 192:
EINSTEIN: "My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest.
"I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain--especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state.
"We are no longer the Jews of the Maccabee period.
"A return to a nation in the political sense of the word would be equivalent to turning away from the spiritualization of our community which we owe to the genius of our prophets.
"If external necessity should after all compel us to assume this burden, let us bear it with tact and patience." (end quote)
Einstein's presentiments (as usual for Einstein) are once again seen to be accurate. His fears expressed above have become horribly true. As a molested child very often grows up to become a sexual predator, Israel has come to stand, not for the best in Judaism, or in humanity, but for the very opposite.
Albert Einstein, in 1938, from his book "IDEAS AND OPINIONS", page 192:
EINSTEIN: "My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest.
"I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain--especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state.
"We are no longer the Jews of the Maccabee period.
"A return to a nation in the political sense of the word would be equivalent to turning away from the spiritualization of our community which we owe to the genius of our prophets.
"If external necessity should after all compel us to assume this burden, let us bear it with tact and patience."(end quote)
Einstein's presentiments (as usual for Einstein) are once again seen to be accurate. His fears expressed above have become horribly true. As a molested child very often grows up to become a sexual predator, Israel has come to stand, not for the best in Judaism, or in humanity, but for the very opposite.
Every time I read about the actions of the Israeli government against the Palestinians, I too think of the Warsaw Ghetto and I think each time that Hitler has won. The Jews of Europe, with their beautiful Yiddish culture, has been replaced by Storm Troopers and agents of death. And "never again" means to be always the aggressor. Such sadness for the human species.
Brain dead flunkies like Mikep keep harping on the Hamas charter. Given that Israel was constructed on stolen land, one can hardly be surprised at Hamas' early hardline.
But Hamas, with the whiff of power, and formally in power (though denied by the US-Israeli overlords) has perennially offered ceasfires, only to be ignored by Israel. Why? Israel does not want a ceasefire. Israel wants rockets fired at Siderot, to put its own people under pressure, so that it can continue to appropriate the bulk of East Jerusalem and the West Bank. What will remain of Palestinian land will be a series of gated hells like Gaza.
Egypt of course, courtesy of the US funding drip, is entirely at the beck and call of the same US-Israeli overlords.
As for Bligh2 who asks why not give it back to Egypt? How about giving it to its occupants? What a quaint idea?
Go ahead and let it be run by its occupants, and let them deal with Egypt. This is what Hamas wants, and has the benefit of their dealing with a country that is not slated for destruction in the Hamas charter, (sorry for harping on their organizing document)in spite of offers to delay said destruction for up to ten years. (ceasefire offers). Hamas cannot itself comply with resolution 242 as it calls for " recognized and secure borders" of Israel as part of the disengagement plan. Since senior Hamas officials have stated that they cannot recognize "one square meter" of Israel as being outside of their Islamic state this is a problem.
Christians need to remember that God had gotten so fed up with the Israelites that he destroyed them in 70 A.D. This pandering by the Christian right that they are Gods people and it is prophecy that they return to Palestine is Gods will is truly sickening! As sickening as what Bush has done to our country these last 7 years!
Funny how the Palestinians were being coerced to have democratic elections by Israel and the US. Well they did and they chose Hamas, and now these two thug countries are bullying Hamas and the Palestinians. The Palestinians did what the US and Israel asked. Live with it and let the Palestinians live! And to the Zionist neocon pro-Israel supporters on these forums and everywhere else: give it a rest you clowns!!
Lizard its Israel that should be blamed. The US does not dictate to Israel what to do its the other way around thanks to AIPAC which buys a complicit Congress and a Complicit President afraid to stand up to Zionism. Walt and Mersheimer did a book on this go read it. The only way for Palestinians to get their freedom is for Americans to wake up to the reality that we are a puppet state of that small country and overthrow the AIPAC neocons that rule us.
Bligh 2: You have a false perception of the problem. You only quote "one square meter" and nothing else. The rest is your words. This because you don't really know what Hamas said or it doesn't support your view. Ignorant, or lying to yourself?
Liberty:
Israel is a European entity grafted unto the Middle East for the purposes of controlling the area. Israel does this service in exchange for the opportunity to have its own Empire and join the big leagues, the essence of Zionism. The US has taken the reins from the Europeans, so, the guilty party is now US. Don't blame the dog, blame the owner.
EvanJ:
You are dealing with a blind spot. When it comes to Israel, even intelligent people think like idiots, especially when they are jewish. This explains why jews in the US are against the Iraq war but pro-Israel which is for it, and arguably caused it. See? Bright, but stupid. The jewish problem is an interesting one, unfortunately the world shouldn't have to suffer because of this problem. The same is true of the US. Both Americans and jews fail to understand the true nature of their country and its real history. Jews are deluded about countless aspects of their history, just like Americans are. They both have placed themselves outside the world community, and both will go down together.
There is no future for Israel, only for Palestine. The near future is dreadful, but the distant one is not. Palestinians, both Jewish and Muslim, will finally be able to build a country to be proud of. Muslims have always shown themselves ready to welcome jews amongst them. No jew has suffered persecution from a Muslim country. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Jews and Arabs got along well in Palestine before Zionism invaded. They will do so again when Zionism is expelled.
Thomas J Hussey:
You make an excellent point. European jews may very well be largely converts to Judaism, while Palestinian Muslims may very well be converted jews. Since they have essentially the same religion, they have coexisted well for centuries. Genetically speaking, and this makes sense, Palestinian jews and muslims are the inheritors of Palestine.
The Cohens of Europe have been shown by studies of mitochondrial DNA to be descended from Palestine, but I do believe a majority of european jews are not.
Lizard if that were true there would not be an AIPAC, a PNAC, or a neocon movement. These are what drive American Foriegn Policy towards Israel and the region. If these did not exist I have no doubt we'd be a lot more balanced. No one in Washington in office dares to stand up to these people. Paul Findley wrote about this and Walt and Mersheimer. Chomsky who admitted he had a Zionist affiliation in his youth argues what you argue. Be careful. The proof of what you argue is not there.
As for the British it was Lord Rothschild of the Central Banking family that forced Lord Balfour to make the Balfour Declaration. Rothschild was later on Israeli's coins. Ever heard of Lord Levy and the current Zionist scandel in the UK with funraising? Zionism is a political movement a political movement a political movement keep repeating.
Liberty: There is no question that Israel helps by buying and paying for congress (AIPAC etc.). I fail to see what difference that makes. As to the neocons, they simply want to accelerate a process begun 100 years ago. The aim is domination of the world by the white people who consider themselves clearly superior and destined to rule. European jews are essentially white. Isn't it obvious to the eye?
Liberty: You know, congress could fight and refuse bribes. They are afraid, I agree, but they are also greedy. Furthermore, the people of the US are for Israel because it is white and Arabs are brownish and scruffy.
Lizard then how do you explain the coverup of the USS Liberty then? Most of the victims of the USS Liberty were white so don't go down the path of blaming all white people for Israel. Rachel Corrie was also white and defended the Palestinians. The majority of US soldiers fighting Israel's war in Iraq are also white for Israel's Mosul to Haifa pipeline and yes the Jews of Europe are also white. What is your point? Not all white people hate Arabs or people of color ok.
The Zionist state has become the Nazi State- only instead of Aryans it is pure Jews who are the chosen people.
There is also billions of dollars of NATURAL GAS under Gaza- another reason they want to starve out the people and take the land.
How can anyone rationally accept this collective punishment, murder, forced starvation resulting in brain damaged children from malnutrion, the essental murder of the sick and the eldery because of
homemade rockets?
I find it disgusting and ABSURD that people talk abut HAMAS threatening Isreals right to exist. Give me a FUCKING BREAK! It's as if the native Americans decided to "wipe off the Americans from our land" and confroted the US military with basically souped up bottle rockets. How threatened would we feel?
Isreal is one of the most powerful miltary states in the World. Let us not forget that they
SUPLLIED THE WEAPONS TO SOUTH AFRICA
Let us not forget the number of DUAL US-ISREALI CITZENS at the highest levels of our government and our media.
I am tired of these bullshit complaints of anti-semitisim. I am against murder, evil, imperial hubris and the use of a historical event to justify any atrocity. .
Let the jews live there with out our tax money and weapons and see what happens
I might also add that majority of white people in America believe the jews are not a white race but are semites. Hence the term anti-semitic if you are anti-Jewish. So if what you are trying to say is that the white people of American are defending Israel because white people think the Israelis are white this is not accurate. White people think the Israelis are semites. However, research has shown that the ashkenazi jews have turkic origins and are khazar.
By the way those who do refuse the AIPAC bribes are black-mailed and any skeletons in their closet get exposed by the media.
The most interesting thing about the money that AIPAC bribes Senators with comes from the USA in the form of grants, donations and military assistance. Without all the money that flows from here to there and back again, how long would there be an Israel?
Lizard "Muslims have always shown themselves ready to welcome Jews among them. No Jew has suffered persecution from a Muslim Country. Correct me if I'm wrong."
Ok. You're wrong. Dead wrong. Practically "from another planet" wrong. Whatever you are smoking, you need to set down the pipe.
Jews have never been "welcomed" in Muslim countries, particularly in the past 200 years. "Barely tolerated as long as they knew their place, killed if they didn't" is more like it. The Jewish population in the "average" Muslim country has declined by 90% in the past two generations, with declines of 100 percent in some countries. Jews have been subject to persecutions, mass killings, property seizure, confined to ghettos, forced conversions, ect.
Jews, as "dhimmis" were forced to pay a special tax for "protection". They could not testify against a Muslim. A Jewish man was forbidden from marrying or seeing a Muslim woman. (still is). They could not build synagogues higher than a Mosque. They could not ride a horse or camel. They could not try to convert someone to the Jewish faith. They had to step aside if passing a Muslim on the sidewalk. They could not shop in certain shops or stay in most Inns. They could not set foot in a Mosque.
So, yeah, Jews were "tolerated" much like blacks in the Jim Crow South were "tolerated". There certainly has never been anything like "equality" for Jews in any of these countries.
Before you guys burn up your computers with "yea but Israel is worse" or , my favorite, "you paid zionist flunky". I am not defending Israeli policy ( I think it has been idiotic), I am not Jewish, I never heard of AIPAC until I signed on here, and I am not anti-muslim.
I just don't like seeing such blatant disregard for the truth, and such simplistic thinking, on a situation that has been festering for decades.
Bligh2
200 years is very recent history. When Spain was a Muslim country, everyone lived in harmony. The Jewish population settled in Morocco after the Inquisition and it's still there today. There is a very large Jewish population in Iran and when Ahmadinijad was in New York, he received an award from a group of Rabis for his kind treatment of the community in Iran. Most of the nasty things that have happened have been started by other Imperial Powers putting pressure on certain countries in concert with Israel. Muslims are cousins if not brothers and sisters to the Jews, but even many Orthodox Jews can't stomach the Zionists.
Bligh go pick up Mersheimer and Walts book..you have a lot of catching up to do on AIPAC and I suggest you start with their paper. http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011
Regarding Muslim treatment of Jews where do you think the Sephardic Jews came from? The Muslim world duh. You should see the laws Israel has against Christians and Muslims since you are saying Jews were discriminated against in Muslim lands---largely Zionist propoganda. A Christian who passes bibles out in Israel can face up to 5 years in jail. Israel imprisons thousands of Muslim and Christian children and imprisons on child every 12 hours. A Jewish marriage to a non-Jew is not recognized by the state. I could go on and on. When Catholic Spain kicked out the Jews they went to Muslim Morocco. You can still walk into a store in Morocco and buy Jewish religious items such as menorahs. I've been there and have seen this. You have an extreme inherent bias against Muslims.
The idea of religious minorities having equal rights and sometimes more rights then the majority is a late twenty-first century American concept following the civil rights, women's rights, and human rights movements which sought to address the inequalities inherent within American society. Talking about equal rights for religious minorities in the long past in other nations is irrelevant based on the long slow road to recognition of those rights here in our own country. Its revisionist history using modern day American standards as the yardstick.
Bligh those populations migrated to Israel and the West so no they aren't extinct populations. There is also evidence that can be found of Ashkenazi Jewish Zionists mistreatment of Sephardic Jews rendering them second class citizens in Israel itself. Is that not discrimination of a minority by Jews? http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=13284
Liberty brings up an excellent point of Christians being discriminated against in Israel see here:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/rel-christians.html
As for your friend I am sure she was preaching to the Israeli Arab and Palestinian populations and not the Jewish one in Israel. The former is allowed but not the latter.
Since we are going back to the historical yardstick here Jews were treated historically better in the Islamic world then the Christian European one. In the Christian European one Jews were killed in pograms,faced religious discrimination and were kicked out of almost every European country at one time or another. Muslims didn't treat the Jews as equals, this is true, but at least historically they treated them as a protected minority and gave them rights unlike thier Christian European counterparts.
I skipped most of the other arguments on this article because the first one was more than enough for me.
MIKEP: You need to learn some history before you start talking about whether the Palestinians are bringing this upon themselves. You also need a lesson in International law. According article 33 of the Geneva Convention, Collective Punishment is disallowed. A quick WIKI search is enough for this. Since most people like you prefer sitting on their asses and ranting away without bothering to find facts, I'll do it for you in the name of social service:
Article 33. No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
Pillage is prohibited.
Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.
Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions collective punishments are a war crime. Article 33 states: "No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed," and "collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited."
By collective punishment, the drafters of the Geneva Conventions had in mind the reprisal killings of World Wars I and II. In the First World War, Germans executed Belgian villagers in mass retribution for resistance activity. In World War II, Nazis carried out a form of collective punishment to suppress resistance. Entire villages or towns or districts were held responsible for any resistance activity that took place there. The conventions, to counter this, reiterated the principle of individual responsibility. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Commentary to the conventions states that parties to a conflict often would resort to "intimidatory measures to terrorize the population" in hopes of preventing hostile acts, but such practices "strike at guilty and innocent alike. They are opposed to all principles based on humanity and justice."
Since you said Palestine is at a STATE OF WAR with Israel, GC kick in which broadly offers protection to civilians which by the way was a result of Nazi policies against these very Jews. Ironic isn't it?
Now lets go back to history and see if there are any precedents in recent Israeli history of Collective punishment. Ben-Guiron, one of the founding fathers of Israel, wrote this in his diary about the punishment handed out by the British in response to the TERRORIST attacks by Zionists.
"Ben-Gurion passionately condemned the draconian measures for both inflicting collective punishment on the Jewish people and effectively hindering the struggle against terrorism:
Two hundred and fifty thousand Jews of Tel Aviv and suburbs, core of country's social and industrial life, and thirty thousands of Jews in Jerusalem, mostly working-class quarters, isolated from all normal contact with outside world, facing complete breakdown of mechanism civilized life apart from food supplies and skeleton medical service. Industry crippled, trade paralyzed, unemployment threatening to become catastrophic. Industrial raw materials cannot enter, goods manufactured with available stock cannot be marketed outside. Workers cut off from places of work, children from schools. These restrictions have not affected terrorists nor stopped their outrages but instead have increased resentment of hard-hit population, created fertile soil for terrorist propaganda, frustrating community's attempt to combat terrorism by itself. Martial Law absolutely futile and senseless unless really meant to punish whole community, ruin its economy and destroy the foundations of the Jewish National Home. (69)
It also merits recalling, however, that although Jewish terrorist attacks (nearly 20 per month) left hundreds of British dead and wounded, the British "never deliberately fired into crowds," and "a Jewish large-scale massacre never took place and entire Jewish settlements were not demolished with explosives." The reason behind this relative British restraint, according to van Creveld, was "British recognition that Jews constituted a `semi-European' race." By contrast, Palestinians suffer at the hands of Israel the lethal fate of non-Europeans.
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So we see here that Israel's founding father believes that collective punishment doesn't change terrorism but rather creates "resentment" among people against the occupiers. Its a hard fact for most Israelis to swallow that they are following the same atrocious path that they fought against and are now oppressing people who are in the same position they were in a few decades back.
So MikeP or any other Zionist supporters - Care to comment on the above?
3 BIG HOLES:
It is one thing to be criticizing Israel, just like one can criticize Hamas or the P.A....
... but to lower yourself
1. to anti-Semitic canards (cf. "liberty"'s comments/those of "if americans knew" junk news - decontextualized bits of information)
2. to the repeated outrageous equivalence between Zionism and Nazism (maybe watching the documentary "Shoah" will make you more careful with your "creative imagination" and the easy rally cry).
It is a pity that so much of the left in the US cannot understand the position(s) of Israelis - speak to Israelis to understand them a little bit better, instead of the removed, decontextualized view of a typical "holier than Thou" Left. Israeli society is a complex culture composed of many progressives, among others.
3. And... the semantic discussion of whether someone can be anti-Semitic because one is Palestinian is useless. Call it anti-Jewish, if that makes you feel better.
Finally, speak to Sephardic Jews having lived in Arab countries (or read the books), ask them how it was. Maybe their often negative experiences will not be able to be labeled under "Zionist propaganda".
In peace, and balance.
To the repeated outrageous equivalence between Zionism and Nazism (maybe watching the documentary "Shoah" will make you more careful with your "creative imagination" and the easy rally cry).
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I don't know whom you're hinting at but I watched Shoah and I fail to see the relation here.
Nazism and Zionism are two completely different projects. However, if we can take the liberty of calling Israelis as Zionists then the policies that they are implementing are very close to those that the Nazis used in many cases if not all. So instead of dismissing it completely out of fear of being labeled anti-semitic it is better to compare the situations with the help of history and we can all see the similarities very clearly.
And please STFU about your whining about the LEFT! People like you who can't get out of that mindset of labeling people as a group are in fact the root cause of the decaying of our democracy. I can talk about ring-wingers too but then I'm not stupid!
As always dcbeltways reasoned and researched replies stand in stark contrast to the raging zionists on this board. CD seems to have an amzing amount of tolerance for zionists that spout hate but a single negative sentiment against zionism or right-wing jews is enough to choke-throttle the post. AIPAC seems to have infiltrated CD !!
Gyptian, DcBeltway gave well thought out, reasoned responses to the questions. I happen to not agree with some of the reasoning, and question some of the facts presented, but this does not make DcBeltway an evil person, a muslim stooge, a worker for the Saudis, ect. You however, have no problem characterizing anyone who disagrees with you as a Raging Zionist stooge, AIPAC mole, evil, ect.
In the real world, things are not exactly cut and dried, and evil things have been done by all cultures and religions. I call them as I see them, as does everyone else. If you don't like it, sorry.
Fear of Jews? Fear of Zionists? Conspiracy theories?
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Sad that a progressive website user asks me to STFU, no? I could understand on a right wing website...
Overall though there seems to be a prevalent fear of hearing a pro-Zionist view, or else we are "infiltrators", "AIPAC moles" etc..., when we are only representing ourselves, just like you.
Reminds me of all of kind of old conspiracy theories.
Why this animosity? I have not found it anywhere else on CD. Could our pro-Zionist be so intolerable that we are definitely considered outsiders and not part of the "real CD community".
In my view, we ALL need to be able to be heard, and there is no raging Zionist here, just someone who is trying to understand and work with a very complex situation, with a variety of points of views, and lives to be reconciled.
Let's keep our blinders off. Open your heart, do not fear (no I am not a new ager, even I dare write those words).
Again, in peace, and balance.
It is horrible to see how Israel is dealing with the threat from Palestinian militants by starving the Gazans seemingly to death, but it is also a testament to the power of the sheer visceral reaction by all peoples to the use of violence against them. There were 52 suicide bombings aimed at Israelis in 2002. After clamping down, the Israelis were able to reduce that to one last year and one just the other day (reportedly attributed to the gap opened in the Gaza wall). Is it fair? Not really. The Palestinians are suffering much more than the Israelis, this is without doubt. But show me one human being who, when their very lives are threatened, will not lose their sympathy and protect themselves and often with a vengeance. It is the nature of the human beast to protect itself at all cost and this is what Israel is doing. Unfortunately, it is also what the Palestinians are doing and because of it we have a violent tit for tat that only creates more anger on each side until neither side cares if the other lives or dies. Hence the conundrum. What we need is a true Peaceful leader to rise up out of the Palestinians. A nationwide protest with a complete renunciation of violence will bring the world's attention to a suffering populace. The bombers, although they think they are right, will have to step aside from their job of blowing innocent people to bits for some real dialogue and real stands made. And the Israelis will have to soften and see that their anger and fear is now truly out of control.
What we need is this illegal occupation to end.