It's gotten to that time in the primary contest where lines are drawn, camps are solidified and conversations around dinner tables grow heated. My friend Dan recently put it this way: "You start talking about the candidates, and next thing you know someone's crying!" The excellent (and uncommitted) blogger Digby recently decided to shut down her comments section because the posts had grown so toxic. The recent uptick in acrimony is largely due to the narrowing of the field. While once the energy was spread over many camps, it is now, with the exits of Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards, concentrated on just two, leaving progressives in a fierce debate over whether Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama would make the better nominee, and President.
According to polling data as well as my conversations with friends and colleagues, progressives are evenly split or undecided between the two. This is, to me, somewhat astonishing (about which more in a moment), but it also means that at a time when other subgroups within the Democratic coalition are leaning heavily toward one candidate or the other, progressives are at a moment of maximum leverage.
Insofar as the issues discussed during a presidential campaign are circumscribed by the taboos and pieties of the political and media establishments, they tend to be dispiriting for those of us on the left. Neither front-runner is calling for the nation to renounce its decades-old imperial posture or to end the prison-industrial complex; neither is saying that America's suburbs and car culture are not sustainable modes of living in an era of expensive oil and global warming or pointing out that the "war on drugs" has been a moral disaster and strategic failure, with casualties borne most violently and destructively by society's most marginalized and--a word you won't be hearing from either candidate--oppressed. And yet, this election is far more encouraging (dare I say hopeful?) than any in recent memory. The policy agenda for the Democratic front-runners is significantly further to the left on the war, climate change and healthcare than that of John Kerry in 2004. The ideological implosion of conservatism, the failures of the Bush Administration and, perhaps most important, the shifts in public opinion in a leftward direction on war, the economy, civil liberties and civil rights are all coming together at the same time, providing progressives with the rare and historic opportunity to elect a President with a progressive majority and an actual mandate for progressive change.
The question then becomes this: which of the two Democratic candidates is more likely to bring to fruition a new progressive majority? I believe, passionately and deeply, if occasionally waveringly, that it's Barack Obama.
Had you told me a few years ago that the left of the Democratic Party would be split between Obama and Clinton, I'd have dismissed you as crazy: Barack Obama has been a community organizer, a civil rights attorney, a loyal and reliable ally in the State Senate of progressive groups. For the Chicago left, his primary campaign and his subsequent election to the US Senate was a collective rallying cry. If you've read his first book, the truly beautiful, honest and intellectually sophisticated Dreams From My Father, you have an inkling of what young Chicago progressives felt about Obama. He is one of us, and now he's in the Senate. We thought we'd elected our own Paul Wellstone. (Full disclosure: my brother is an organizer on the Obama campaign.)
That's not, alas, how things turned out. Almost immediately Obama--likely with an eye on national office--shaded himself toward the center. His rhetoric was cool, often timid, not the zealous advocacy on behalf of peace, justice and the dispossessed that had characterized Wellstone's tenure. His record places him squarely in the middle of Democratic senators, just slightly to Clinton's left on domestic issues (he voted against the bankruptcy bill, for example). As a presidential candidate, his domestic policy (with some notable exceptions on voting rights and technology policy) has been very close to that of his chief rivals, though sometimes, notably on healthcare, marginally less progressive.
But while domestic policy will ultimately be determined through a complicated and fraught interplay with legislators, foreign policy is where the President's agenda is implemented more or less unfettered. It's here where distinctions in worldview matter most--and where Obama compares most favorably to Clinton. The war is the most obvious and powerful distinction between the two: Hillary Clinton voted for and supported the most disastrous American foreign policy decision since Vietnam, and Barack Obama (at a time when it was deeply courageous to do so) spoke out against it. In this campaign, their proposals are relatively similar, but in rhetoric and posture Clinton has played hawk to Obama's dove, attacking from the right on everything from the use of first-strike nuclear weapons to negotiating with Iran's president. Her hawkishness relative to Obama's is mirrored in her circle of advisers. As my colleague Ari Berman has reported in these pages, it's a circle dominated by people who believed and believe that waging pre-emptive war on Iraq was the right thing to do. Obama's circle is made up overwhelmingly of people who thought the Iraq War was a mistake.
Clinton's fundamentally defensive conception of how to defuse the Republicans on national security (neutralizing their hawkishness with one's own) is an example of a larger problem, rooted in the fact that so many of her circle served in her husband's Administration. Their political identities were formed in the crucible of crisis, from the Gingrich insurgency to the Ken Starr inquisition. The overriding imperative was survival against massive odds, often with a hostile public, press or both. Like an animal caught in a trap that chews off its leg to wriggle away, the Clinton crew by the end of its tenure had hardly any limbs left to propel an agenda. The benefit of this experience, much touted by the Clintons, is that they know how to fight and how to survive. But the cost has been high: those who lived through those years are habituated to playing defense and fighting rear-guard actions. We know how progressives fared under Clintonism: they were the bloodied limbs left in the trap. Clintonism, in other words, is the devil we know.
Which brings us to the one we don't. A President cannot build a movement, but he can be its messenger, as was Reagan. Part of what tantalizes and frustrates about Obama is that he seems to have the potential to be such a messenger and yet shies away from speaking in ideological terms. When he invokes union organizers facing Pinkerton thugs to give us our forty-hour week, or says we are bound to one another as "our brother's keeper...our sister's keeper," he is articulating the deepest progressive values: solidarity and community and collective action. But he places more rhetorical emphasis on a politics of "unity" that, read uncharitably, seems to fetishize bipartisanship as an end in itself and reinforce lame and deceptive myths that the parties are equally responsible for the "bickering" and "divisiveness" in Washington. It appears sometimes that his diagnosis of what's wrong with politics is the way it is conducted rather than for whom.
In its totality, though, Obama's rhetoric tells a story of politics that is distinct from both the one told by Beltway devotees of bipartisanship and comity and from the progressive activists' story of a ceaseless battle between the forces of progress and those of reaction. If it differs from what I like to hear, it is also unfailingly targeted at building the coalition that is the raison d'être of Obama's candidacy. Consider this passage from Obama's stump speech:
I've learned in my life that you can stand firm in your principles while still reaching out to those who might not always agree with you. And although the Republican operatives in Washington might not be interested in hearing what we have to say, I think Republican and independent voters outside of Washington are. That's the once-in-a-generation opportunity we have in this election.
Obama makes a distinction between bad-faith, implacable enemies (lobbyists, entrenched interests, "operatives") and good-faith ideological opponents (Republicans, independents and conservatives of good conscience). He wants to court the latter and use their support to vanquish the former. This may be improbable, but it crucially allows former Republicans (Obama Republicans?) to cross over without guilt or self-loathing. They are not asked to renounce, only to join.
Obama's diagnosis of the obstacles to progress is twofold. First, that the division of the electorate into the categories created by the right's culture warriors is the primary means by which the forces of reaction resist change. Progress will be made only by rejecting or transcending those categories. In 1971 a young Pat Buchanan urged Richard Nixon to wield race as what would come to be known as a wedge issue. "This is a potential throw of the dice," he wrote, "that could...cut the Democratic Party and country in half; my view is that we would have far the larger half." Obama seeks to stitch those halves back together.
Second, that the reason progressives have failed to achieve our goals over the past several decades is not that we didn't fight hard enough but that we didn't have a popular mandate. In other words, the fundamental obstacle is a basic political one: never having the public squarely on our side and never having the votes on the Hill. In this respect the Obama campaign is uniquely circular: his political appeal is rooted in the fact that he's so politically appealing. This means that when he loses, the loss affects him worse than it would other candidates, since it also cuts against his message. But when he wins, particularly when he wins big, as he did in Iowa and South Carolina, the win means more because it reinforces the basic argument of his campaign.
The question of who can best build popular support for a progressive governing agenda is related to, but distinct from, the question of electability. Given a certain ceiling on Clinton's appeal (due largely to years of unhinged attacks from the "vast right-wing conspiracy"), her campaign seems well prepared to run a 50 percent + 1 campaign, a rerun of 2004 but with a state or two switching columns: Florida, maybe, or Ohio. Obama is aiming for something bigger: a landmark sea-change election, with the kind of high favorability and approval ratings that can drive an agenda forward. Why should we think he can do it?
The short answer is that Obama is simply one of the most talented and appealing politicians in recent memory. Perhaps the most. Pollster.com shows a series of polls taken in the Democratic campaign. The graphs plotting national polling numbers as well as those in the first four states show a remarkably consistent pattern. Hillary Clinton starts out with either a modest or, more commonly, a massive lead, owing to her superior name recognition and the popularity of the Clinton brand. As the campaign goes forward Clinton's support either climbs slowly, plateaus or dips. But as the actual contest approaches, and voters start paying attention, Obama's support suddenly begins to grow exponentially.
In addition to persuading those who already vote, Obama has also delivered on one of the hoariest promises in politics: to bring in new voters (especially the young). It's a phenomenon that, if it were to continue with him as nominee, could completely alter the electoral math. Young people are by far the most progressive voters of any age cohort, and they overwhelmingly favor Barack Obama by stunning margins. Their enthusiasm has translated into massive increases in youth turnout in the early contests.
Finally, there's the question of coattails. In many senses there's less difference between the two presidential candidates than there is between a Senate with fifty-one Democrats and one with fifty-six. No Democratic presidential candidate is going to carry, say, Mississippi or Nebraska, but many Democrats in those states fear that the ingrained Clinton hatred would rally the GOP base and/or depress turnout, hurting down-ticket candidates. Over the past few weeks a series of prominent red-state Democrats, most notably Ben Nelson, Kent Conrad and Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius, have endorsed Obama. When I asked a Democratic Congressional candidate in the Deep South who he preferred at the top of the ticket, he didn't hesitate: "Obama is absolutely the better candidate. Hillary brings a lot of sting; he takes some sting out of them."
Whoever is elected in November, progressives will probably find themselves feeling frustrated. Ultimately though, the future judgments and actions of the candidates are unknowable, obscured behind time's cloak. Who knew that the Bill Clinton of 1992 who campaigned with Nelson Mandela would later threaten to sanction South Africa when it passed a law allowing the production of low-cost generic AIDS drugs for its suffering population--or that the George W. Bush of 2000, an amiable "centrist" whose thin foreign-policy views shaded toward isolationism, would go on to become a self-justifying, delusional and messianic instrument of global war? In this sense, Bill Clinton is right: voting for and electing Barack Obama is a "roll of a dice." All elections are. But the candidacy of Barack Obama represents by far the left's best chance to, in Buchanan's immortal phrasing, take back the bigger half of the country. It's a chance we can't pass up.
Christopher Hayes is The Nation's Washington editor.
© 2008 The Nation
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33 Comments so far
Show AllThere are REAL choices in this election; with the Repub it is more of the same - denial of women's rights, spending that is pushing bankruptcy, more and more war, torture and violation of every internation agreement and the US Constitution itself, a rabid denial of the healthcare crisis, and more of the white boys' club, etc.
Then there are the Democratics. A serious, but flawed discussion of the need to push for universial healthcare, a genuine discussion of just how to end the war in Iraq, a push for fiscal responsibility, more investigation on the tortune issues, and a choice to honor our agreements here and abroad.
There is a choice. . .just put aside your prejudices, open your eyes and your mind and let the drama unfold. A new day is dawning.
Seeing a dentist or the eye doctor are not ER visits. The sad reality is that most young poor working class people or even just college kids are paying the equivalent of a mortgage before they get a degree. I personally already have $30,000 in debt (and that's going to state institutions, it's signficantly higher at private institutions)http://undergrad.osu.edu/costs.html. Another $1,000 for medical insurance to pay for some lackey in an office somewhere is not the way to solve the problem of the rising cost of pills I don't take. The answer is to get serious about making healthcare affordable.
here the url to a google cache of an article on ER costs ...
there are lots and lots of factors ... however, it appears that $1000 is less than the cost of 2 "average" ER visits ...
Many college students do not have a "family doctor" where they are going to school and rely of the ER for everything. Colleges used to have more extensive health clinics to cover everything from flu to mononucleosis and some had infirmaries ... these services have just about disappeared ... hence the adjustment to mandatory insurance ...
The percentage of hospital bill written off as "bad debt" is staggering ... and, ironically, is part of what pushes up "health care cost"
I live near a University town and I can attest to the number of university students who visit the emergency room at the hospital I worked for.
Uninsured college students are a terrible drain on the community where they go to school. Many colleges/universities offer only scant clinics for health maintenance, education, psychological needs. Most of these students are legally adults -- their parents may or may not be able to insure them, but it is almost impossible to make their parents liable for their medical costs (not to mention unfair).
From ER visits for the flu to appendicitis to bike, rock climbing and motor vehicle accident, young adults do consume medical care, particularly those who have grown up in the cocoon of being generously insured thanks to successful well-insured parents. {my upbringing was not like that.}
It's not as onerous as it sounds. The crisis is growing. After being turned down by a couple of companies, sight unseen, apparently by age, I had intended to self-insure with my state "last-resort" policy as of January 1, but amazingly, the policy price just about tripled to close to $1000 as of January 1 (single person, $2000 deductable) -- $350 a month I could probably manage; $1000, I cannot.
I am waiting for a serious analysis of "who benefits" and how from universal health care ... it is my deep suspicion that companies which now provide insurance (with ever increasing "employee contributions" and co-pays) are likely to wiggle out of that responsibility quickly.
Unlike some, I think that the timing is good ... universal health care will relieve the business community of the "burden" of providing health coverage ... I have been amazed, working for 2000+ employee hospitals, how often coverage changed providers and how costs went up and coverage went down, for a groups of hardworking stable career-ist health care employees.
I realized belatedly that for the last 5 years that I was "insured", my "employee contributions" and co-pays far exceeded what my insurance paid out --
True, I'm healthy and lucky .... enjoy it while you've got it, sock that money you aren't spending on health care and insurance away for that rainy day in 20-30 years when you cannot take your good health and good luck for granted.
Dead on.
Although Obama's Healthcare Plan is Progressive too. Mandatory healthcare is not popular among young poor working class people.
Example A: I actually pay mandatory health insurance to go to school. $1000 in mandatory health insurance. When I got an eye exam and subsequently had to purchase glasses the final bill came to $300. The mandatory health insurance wouldn't cover it. So instead of paying $300, I am paying $1300. If anybody besides the government was just taking $1000 from me for no apparent reason it would be called robbery. And for most people, like me, in debt from college and who the tax cuts are not aimed at, this is flat organized crime.
It's ridiculous to say that Obama's Healtchare Plan is less Progressive than Hillary's. Who do you think mandatory payments go to? It is not a step towards universal healthcare. Universal affordability is a step towards universal healthcare. Without affordable healthcare a mandate is an unenforceable empty promise designed to insulate an overbloated and unnecessary healthcare insurance industry who decides, instead of your doctor, what is best for you. Single-payer, as Obama has said, would be optimal. But the first step towards universal healthcare should be affordability, not mandates.
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/01/05/fact_check_obama_consist...
"Cost is the number one reason that 47 million Americans do not have health insurance and thousands more are edging toward bankruptcy every day…What I have said repeatedly is that the reason people don't have health insurance is not because they don't want it, it's because they can't afford it."- Barack obama
The Mitt Romney/Hillary Clinton Corporate Massachusetts Mandated Health Insurance Plan
"But the reluctance of so many to enroll, along with the possible exemption of 60,000 residents who cannot afford premiums, has raised questions about whether even a mandate can guarantee truly universal coverage.
Additional concerns have been generated by projections that the state's insurers plan to raise rates 10 percent to 12 percent next year, twice this year's national average. That would undercut the plan's secondary goal of slowing the increase in health costs."We're going to be very aggressive in trying to get those numbers down to single digits," said Jon M. Kingsdale, executive director of the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector Authority, the agency that markets the subsidized insurance policies. "If we continue with double-digit inflation, I don't think health reform is sustainable."…
Senator Barack Obama of Illinois sees it a different way. He argues there is danger in mandating coverage before it is clear it can be affordable for those at the margins. While Mr. Obama does not rule out a mandate down the road, his emphasis is on reducing costs and providing generous government subsidies to those who need them. He would mandate coverage for children. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/us/politics/25mass.html
I've tossed away the shovel, kicked off the hip boots, and have retreated into a Moon Suit.
The Obama mega-hype is rising higher and faster than Jack's magic beanstalk-- mankind hasn't witnessed anything like this since the construction of the Tower of Babel.
Perhaps the Dominionist elements have indeed succeeded in triggering the Last Days, and this is indeed the Second Coming.
I am grateful, at least, that this "analysis" (pitch) doesn't indulge in the utterly puerile, smarmy, atavistic Amerikan pseudo-royalism growing like kudzu in both the corporate media and the blogosphere: the ostensibly profound question of whether Obama, now anointed by "the last living heir of John F. Kennedy" as metaphysical successor to the fantastic and mystical realm of Camelot, Amerikan Style, is truly the second coming of JFK or RFK.
The trash-tabloid Huffington Post is rife with such infantile melodrama, and I suppose it does put asses in the seats, which is really what our political show-biz is all about.
Pardon my cranky wailing and gnashing of teeth.
And fee, fie, foe, fum!
Could we pretty please go to a national primary? I'd like to have the same number of choices that Iowans get.
Ron Paul's foreign policy positions are definitely endearing, but he reached those positions as a right-wing, Pat Buchanonesque libertarian, not as a progressive. It's one of those instances where the extreme left and extreme right circle around and overlap each other. (If you can stomach it, read Pat Buchanon's "Republic, Not an Empire" back-to-back with some Chomsky or Zinn and you'll see what I mean.) I'd recommend reading up on Ron Paul's positions on abortion, the death penalty, gay rights, free market capitalism, and social programs before going gaga over him. If he still floats your boat, more power to you. Personally, I find his views on those issues repugnant enough to outweigh my respect for his positions on foreign policy, though I appreciate the fact that he is genuine, consistent, and lacking in hypocrisy.
Jack37 is absolutely correct.
There is no democracy in this Nation.
Clinton is Republican-Lite.
Obama is IMHO nothing more than a shrewd, calculating politician. I've watched him mouth what so many seem to feel is "soaring rhetoric" and been astounded how unemotional he is.
I see and hear no passion in him.
He looks and sounds like a man reading from a laundry list of "hopeful" sounding catch phrases.
The media have once again winnowed the field down to the GOP candidates (their perennial first choice) or a couple of Democratic candidates that they know will not upset the status quo. In other words the investor class wins again and the workers once again get screwed.
And for what it's worth, after reading this site for quite a while now I am officially putting forth "RichM" as my choice for President.
Anyone who can say so much with one word gets my vote.
Nice to see that at least here, somebody has noticed that there is already no real choice in this so-called election. Why was the range of candidates so quickly reduced? To what purpose, to whose benefit? Is there any real substantive difference between Hillary and Obama that might in fact take the country one way rather than another? Stupor Tuesday is upon us, and now we can look forward to 11 months of this tedious fraud set up for us by corporations, pseudo-journalists and party hacks. What an amazing feat---Democracy has evaporated before our eyes.
So, one of the Goals of CommonDreams.org is to perpetuate bullshit?
If this whole thing wasn't so over-the-top ridiculous I'd be crying not laughing.
I mean, exactly how many times can you be screwed by the same trick before you are forced to admit to yourself that you LIKE the screwing?
The Corporatists said it was gonna be Obama or Clinton and McCain or Romney, and presto-chango, Holy shocked-faced Jesus, the choice has become Obama or Clinton and soon to be McCain /Romney!
Articles like this are so strange, Its like lambs on the way to slaughter chatting about the Farmers choice of Killing Tools:
"Electro shock stunning and slug-gun killing is the New Slaughter method, it is the method of Change and Change is what the Farmer needs at this time, baaahh."
"No, throat-slitting and hanging is the Slaughter of Experience, we know Throat-slitting's record, but it only reflects its pragmatism, baaahh."
Wake up little sheep! The Farmer is your Enemy!
What's needed is for the sheep and other animals to rise up and oust the farmer.
Or, wait.
Did someone write about that already?
Wait again!
Does that mean I demonstrate a lack of original thinking, and an inflated view of my own prowess and importance? Hell!
I'm a Progressive Democrat!
I honestly had no idea.
I should probably give these bastards the finger and take my vote and voice elsewhere, huh?
Naw, that'd never Work, the people who want to Stop It Working say so.
I'll just figure out which one of them I guess is not the worst, and vote for them.
Then things might get better.
Keep that dream alive, kids!
-matti.
Of course you do; you boys always stick together, no matter what. So what is new? Not the rhetoric, not the message, not the solutions to the problems, etc. Just another boy with a better tan than all the boys before him. Big deal.
brissot, Ron Paul would in addition to immediately ending the Iraq invasion, cancel NAFTA and the Patriot Act and end corporate welfare, which he despises. He would restore our Constitutional rights. These are important steps for me. I support social programs and he does not, that is where we differ. So he would make for an interesting presidency for sure, especially facing a Democratic Congress, which unfortunately is very attached to the Military Industrial Complex. But I don't know if they would dare overturn a Presidential veto that the public supports, with another election coming up in two years - less, allowing for time for bills to waft their way through the halls of Congress. I'm suspecting a Democratic Congress could override a Presidential veto of social programs.
To be honest, I don't know where this roller coaster is going. But Ron Paul is honest, and that is one of my highest priorities. Hillary is not, and I won't vote for a lying scheming backstabber. For that, I would have to hold my nose, no way. Besides, like her husband, she would only betray the voters in favor of the corporations. I don't need to go there again. If the rest of the country does, well then, they need more lessons to learn.
kathyodat
christopher hayes,
the cause for "the recent uptick in acrimony is largely due to" the REASON the field has been narrowed. voters from three states were in control of the process of elimination. they in turn were directly influenced by msm' coverage, or lack of, on the candidates. you think this is a fair system? this narrowed field brings with it nothing but narrow vision.
so now we get to choose between an inexperienced, sermonizing black man or a grating, experienced (so she claims) dangerous white woman. that's our choice? we're at "a moment of maximum leverage"? we're just wrapping up eight years of combined inexperience and dangerous. it's been a blast, hasn't it?
so what if obama spoke out against the war? did you listen to his speech last nite? catch the message he's sending to iran? if not, replay it. dig deep, bring on the issues: aipac, oil, both candidate's voting records in the continued funding of the iraq war, their stance on continued funding of the intergalactic space program, the slap-in-the-face treatment toward veterans.
other than polls, where is your data coming from regarding a shift toward the left in public opinion? you believe passionately and deeply and waveringly??? are you getting paid to write such crap?
the first post, by rich m, sums up your fine article.
The "bloody limbs left in the trap" ... what a perfect metaphor for the Clinton betrayal.
kathyodat,
Right assessment: the stakes are high. Tragically wrong conclusion. You would seriously vote for Paul (Republican) or third party (i.e, de facto vote for Republican - well, half a vote) instead of voting for Clinton? (BTW, asde from pulling the troops ot of Iraq, which Paul polcies do you agree with?)
I've gone from Kucinch to Edwards to Obama but you'd better believe I'll vote for Clinton if she winds up as the nominee.
Did seven years of GWB teach you nothing? Clinton was not a progressive President - everyone here conveniently forgets that the Congress and American public were moving inexoably to the right at the time - but can you seriously suggest he was as bad or worse than Bush?
As you say, the stakes are high. That is precisely why we cannot afford the conceit of punishing the Democratic candidate because they are not liberal enough by electing someone who is far worse.
We need to stop the destruction of our country and our constitution and send the Republicans home ... NOW!
"While once the energy was spread over many camps, it is now, with the exits of Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards, concentrated on just two, leaving progressives in a fierce debate over whether Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama would make the better nominee, and President."
I can't accept this.
Partisan Democrats are in a fierce debate about this. Progressives tend to know that corporate Dems aren't "better" anything.
Thanks for your post, anne faith. I've been hearing a number of people reporting that they know Republicans who intend to vote for Obama. Interesting. I think his message and delivery crosses party lines, and that people are fed up with this "wedged" country. Perhaps there is also the issue of all the Republican wanting eternal war, and maybe even Republicans have had enough of the corporate welfare state. I don't know. Bush still has the support of a majority of Republicans, of which a diminishing number of people are calling themselves, but then there is the minority of Republicans who don't support him. Except for Huckabee, who is a bit hard to swallow for any thinking person, they're all running on a Bush platform.
kathyodat
i will vote for obama (my first choice) my second choice is mitt romney ...he's better than mccain (warmonger).....just because he was a vietnam veteran does not make him the best commander in chief........nobody running has EVER BEEN PRESIDENT so having experience is kinda moot....it OJT for any president elect
I'm with you, kathyodat. I voted for Dennis Kucinich, but I know it's now time to face reality. I could never in a million years vote for Hillary Clinton as the Dem nominee, but I could vote for Obama, with my fingers crossed, hoping that he would revert to his progressive roots once he was "safely" in office. (I say "safely" in quotes, because I fear that if elected, he'll meet the same fate as MLK, JFK and RFK.)
Obama is smart enough to know that an angry or divisive message doesn't work. He's also smart enough to recognize that people want to have hope, and he gives them hope. He inspires. He's no Kucinich, but he does have at least SOME integrity.
I also believe that despite his skin color, he might actually win this election in a landslide. I'm sure I'll be laughed off this site for saying such a thing, but it's true what some have been saying -- Republicans are actually considering voting for this black man whose middle name is Hussein and whose last name rhymes with America's Public Enemy #1.
My father in law, who's a right-wing evangelical Christian, is actually thinking of voting for Obama, because he's unhappy with all the Republican candidates: He doesn't trust Romney because he's a huge flip flopper; he doesn't believe Huckabee should be president just because he was an evangelical preacher; he doesn't trust McCain, who's a "maverick." So for some reason that's inexplicable to me, he actually likes Obama! That's the amazing thing about this man, Obama. Republicans are actually considering voting for him.
Bottom line: I'd rather see Obama elected than Clinton or McCain. So I hope he's the nominee.
Rob Price, I wasn't disillusioned by Reagan, I knew him well long before he ran for President. I don't know Obama well and I haven't read his book, but looking at his resume, which is diametrically opposed to that of Hillary, I want to take a chance on him. If Hillary gets the nomination, I would vote for Ron Paul (not liking his Libertarian attitude of let the poor drown), but agreeing with him on 60% of his positions, and some of them are very important to me (glassbooth.org). Even more importantly, he has honesty and integrity which count highly to me, and are part of why I would NEVER vote for Hillary. If some morally deficient clown like McCain gets the Republican nomination, I'm out of here, voting Green Nader, whatever. I will never hold my nose to vote.
I believe Obama also has honesty and integrity. If I'm wrong I'm fooled once. But this time I'm willing to gamble I'm right. The stakes are high, and our country really needs some healing energy and I feel it with him.
kathyodat
I feel I am receiving very mixed messages from the Obama "campaign" versus his "supporters." Too many Obama supporters declare they will vote for McCain if Clinton is the nominee -- how's that again?
I worry very much about a possible Jimmy Carter redux administration ... I don't want a president "above the fray" and I have been having feeling confused by a candidate who purports to place himself "above the fray" when his supporters crowd message boards with nasty, hateful, ageist messages ... and too frequent suggestions of other people's "racism," oddly enough, as if race were the only conceivable reason to not support Obama.
Yes, the media exploited "the race issue" but they had plenty of help. I'm also waiting for the GOP to unleash Adlai Stevenson egg-head jokes ... and all the rest. As others have referenced, "Bambi meets Godzilla"
Bipartisanship is not an end in itself ... I would like some reassurance from the Obama campaign that -- regardless of who is the nominee -- they will extend their support to essentially ALL democratic candidates in November would go a long way in my book ... "Bipartisanship" in a nearly-evenly split congress is one thing (sorta like we have now with the slim Democratic majority) ... "Bipartisanship" in a solidly democratic congress, particularly as the looming crises hit homes and pockebooks, is something else ... but, like the wise man said, "It takes two to tango."
I remain to be convinced that 4 years of an Obama presidency will somehow produce better results than a Clinton presidency... I fear floundering ... Forget the dreams and hearts and flowers ... this country needs some tangible results.
My mother was an "old red" who spent a lifetime awaiting the collapse of capitalism ... sometimes I hear rumblings and creakings and I look to the sky expectantly ....
A Clinton Coronation or an Obama Revolution?
Hillary can't wait to put the finishing touches on her wonderfully aggressive 60's agenda, while Barack is at home in a tomorrow Hillary can't visit even in her dreams.
Hillary is thrilled with the chance to add more contributions to her amazing lifetime list, while Barack is thrilled with America's chances for real change when he is President.
Hillary is amazed at where she's been and what she's been able to accomplish, looking forward to recognition and vindication for her life's work, while Barack envisions efficiently accomplishing today's most pressing American policy goals and then moving forward to heal the world's common global challenges.
Hillary loves herself-in-power ruling over her former enemies, while Barack loves the-power-in-himself leading a unified America and world into a hopeful 21st century.
Shall generations await coronation of Jeb Bush into an inevitable succession of Clinton and Bush kings (and queen) reigning in hubris over a 20th century past? Or will we charge our servant Barack Obama to lead us into an American future of unimaginable possibilities?
(Nancy Pace blogs on breaking news at the intersection of politics, peace, culture and spirituality at www.epharmony.com.)
The anti-Iraq message, emotional appeal, and cult of personality are all powerful stuff. The author eludes to this
often, but never comes out and gives Obama the title. I don't know why a progressive would actually argue in favor
of a cult of personality and emotional appeal. I find it alarming. And frankly, the crude attacks on comment boards
are more indicative of "action groups" trying to sway the populace. From google bombs to switching political sides
to "vote-in" the oppositions weaker candidate, it is all there right in front for everyone to witness. the internet blog
networks concerted effort to force the hand and stack the deck.
The anti-Iraq war message of Obama can be a singular defining issue for the progressive. Let's be honest, Zbig
Brzezinski is Barack Obama's National Security Advisor. He may not be the front face, but he is right there in the
middle of it. While the Obama camp says they were against the war in Iraq, what they don't say is that they are
absolutely, positively for the US staying in the Mideast. This is a crucial message to get out to the progressive voter:
Barack Obama's plan is to build a antiterrorist coalition based on the anticommunist coalition -which is tantamount to
Zbig Brzezinski's signature work of provoking nationalistic fervor, the Afghanistan Mujihadeen and the Contras
of the 1970s-80s. Later, it manifested in to the Balkans, the Horn of Africa, and Central Asia under George HW Bush.
Understand the complete meaning behind the larger goal of securing the Mideast and Central Asia in the "Brzezinski" style.
Obama promises "America's House" all over the "Islamic World". People could really do themselves a favor looking into the
implications behind "America's House". I realize Obama's appeal is great, and the idea he can bring more voters into the
political process, becoming empowered, is very powerful and inspirational. I just hope people understand the larger
foreign policy goals of the US will not change. This way when Obama is voted in to power, you won't be become disillusioned
like so many of us did under Ronald Reagan. You'll see it coming!
¡Que te diviertas!
Absolutely, Big_Money -- and it doesn't involve big money. I'm a peace and justice activist in NYC and Hillary has been so against us, we the people speaking up for peace and justice for everyone, not just the wealthy.
I was for Kucinich last go-round and got Kerry so I supported Edwards as I believe he really has evolved.
With another Clinton, we will likely get Billary -- and Bill sca-rewed us the first time, as he ran as a populist and governed as Republican light.
Ron Paul is against we the people, however good he is (probably for the wrong reasons) on the peace issues. I believe in Schools and Fire Departments and Roads and Social Security. I believe in COMMUNITY, and Us together. I see that more with Obama then Clinton.
FYI, Thom Hartmann just did a call-in straw poll. (I couldn't get through) And the results were:
Obama - 48
Clinton - 8
Edwards - 5
Ron Paul - 1
McCain - 1
Hmmmmmmm.
A complete waste of time and space.
Hoa binh
Thanks for the links, papiowhisperer. Kate, you'd likely do better telling folks to Get Real on a site that isn't called Common Dreams. The bigger half are the ones who are sick of being robbed by the status quo. Do you have a dream?
Get real. We have two choices. Obama isn't perfect, but he's better than Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.
My more conservative son has been a big fan of Obama but speaks of voting for McCain if Hillary gets in. He wouldn't be voting for any independent. The GOP wouldn't be voting for Hillary and the independents may just stay home.
The verdict as I see it is the same as Hayes': "the candidacy of Barack Obama represents by far the left's best chance to, in Buchanan's immortal phrasing, take back the bigger half of the country. It's a chance we can't pass up."
^^ Ron Paul asked about Dennis Kucinich as a running mate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx9a4hNeIRo&feature=related
^ Ron Paul talks about Dennis Kucinich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJcnoDfFWhM
That's nice that Dennis likes Ron. Be nice if Ron liked Dennis, too. I think it would be nice if Ralph went for it, got it, and got the two of them as Co-VP's.
With Dennis Kucinich out of the race Ron Paul is
our only hope. Change parties and vote RP in your
local primary/caucus if it's not too late already.
I don't agree with RP on everything, but he is the one
DK endorsed. They voted against all the wars, the patriot
acts, etc.
Audio of Kucinich talking about Ron Paul as a running mate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By_zxa1qnj4
Dennis Kucinich asked about Ron Paul on Free Minds TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18
http://www.ronpaul2008.com
Barf.
As with Edwards, I can't wait for Paul to be forced out. Neither was ever an alternative for progressives.