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What Counts as an 'Issue' in the Clinton-Obama Race?
Political endorsements rarely make interesting reading. But this year is different. Take the endorsements of Hillary Clinton by the New York Times [NY Times, January 25, 2008] and Barack Obama by Caroline Kennedy [NY Times, January 27, 2008].
To the editors of the New York Times, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama agree on policy goals:
"On the major issues, there is no real gulf separating the two. They promise an end to the war in Iraq, more equitable taxation, more effective government spending, more concern for social issues, a restoration of civil liberties and an end to the politics of division of George W. Bush and Karl Rove."
What matters to the editors is experience in "tackling ... issues" -- in mastering details of policy and carrying them out one by one. "The next president needs to start immediately on challenges that will require concrete solutions, resolve, and the ability to make government work."
To Caroline Kennedy, policy is not the real issue:
"Most of us would prefer to base our voting decision on policy differences. However, the candidates' goals are similar. They have all laid out detailed plans on everything from strengthening our middle class to investing in early childhood education. So qualities of leadership, character and judgment play a larger role than usual.
"I want a president who understands that his responsibility is to articulate a vision and encourage others to achieve it; who holds himself, and those around him, to the highest ethical standards; who appeals to the hopes of those who still believe in the American Dream, and those around the world who still believe in the American ideal; and who can lift our spirits, and make us believe again that our country needs every one of us to get involved."
The difference is striking. To the editors of the New York Times, the quality of leadership seems not to be an "issue." The ability to unite the country is not an "issue." What Obama calls the empathy deficit -- attunement to the experience and needs of real people -- is not an "issue." Honesty is not an "issue." Trust is not an "issue." Moral judgment is not an "issue." Values are not "issues." Adherence to democratic ideals -- rather than political positioning, triangulation, and incrementalism -- are not "issues." Inspiration, a call to a higher purpose, and a transcendence of interest-based politics are not "issues."
It is time to understand what counts as an "issue," to whom, and why.
In Thinking Points, the handbook for progressives that the Rockridge Institute staff and I wrote last year, we began by analyzing Ronald Reagan's strengths as a politician. According to his chief strategist, Richard Wirthlin, Reagan realized that most voters do not vote primarily on the basis of policies, but rather on (1) values, (2) connection, (3) authenticity, (4) trust, and (5) identity. That is, Reagan spoke about his values, and policies for him just exemplified values. He connected viscerally with people. He was perceived as authentic, as really believing what he said. As a result, people trusted him and identified with him. Even if they had different positions on issues, they knew where he stood. Even when his economic policies did not produce a "Morning in America," voters still felt a connection to him because he spoke to what they wanted America to be. That was what allowed Reagan to gain the votes of so many independents and Democrats.
There is a reason that Obama recently spoke of Reagan. Reagan understood that you win elections by drawing support from independents and the opposite side. He understood what unified the country so that he could lead it according to his vision. His vision was a radical conservative one, a vision devastating for the country and contradicted by his economic policies.
Obama understands the importance of values, connection, authenticity, trust, and identity.
But his vision is deeply progressive. He proposes to lead in a very different direction than Reagan. Crucially, he adds to that vision a streetwise pragmatism: his policies have to do more than look good on paper; they have to bring concrete material results to millions of struggling Americans in the lower and middle classes. They have to meet the criteria of a community organizer.
The Clintonian policy wonks don't seem to understand any of this. They have trivialized Reagan's political acumen as an illegitimate triumph of personality over policy. They confuse values with programs. They have underestimated authenticity and trust.
So do the pundits who pose the questions in the debates.
This nomination campaign is about much more than the candidates. It about a major split within the Democratic party. The candidates are reflecting that split. Here are three of the major "issues" dividing Democrats.
First, triangulation: moving to the right -- adopting right-wing positions -- to get more votes. Bill Clinton did it and Hillary believes in it. It is what she means by "bipartisanship." Obama means the opposite by "bipartisanship." To Obama, it is a recognition that central progressive moral principles are fundamental American principles. For him, bipartisanship means finding people who call themselves "conservatives" or "independents," but who share those central American values with progressives. Obama thus doesn't have to surrender or dilute his principles for the sake of "bipartisanship."
The second is incrementalism: Hillary believes in getting lots of small carefully crafted policies through, one at a time, step by small step, real but almost unnoticed. Obama believes in bold moves and the building of a movement in which the bold moves are demanded by the people and celebrated when they happen. This is the reason why Hillary talks about "I," I," "I" (the crafter of the policy) and Obama talks about "you" and "we" (the people who demand it and who jointly carry it out).
The third is interest group politics: Hillary looks at politics through interests and interest groups, seeking policies that satisfy the interests of such groups. Obama's thinking emphasizes empathy over interest groups. He also sees empathy as central to the very idea of America. The result is a positive politics grounded in empathy and caring that is also patriotic and uplifting.
For a great many Democrats, these are the real issues. These real differences between the candidates reflect real differences within the party. Whoever gets the nomination, these differences will remain.
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A depressing realist...hands down. Garsh, that was a no-brainer!
lino
I challenge you to answer the questions from my last post to RichM.
You asked recently, which is worse, a "depressing realist", or a "delusional" woman
how about, which is worse, a complaining loser, or someone who takes positive steps rather than wasting time and life by "throwing up"?
Obama is a light weight.
Clinton is a prostitute
McCain is a nut
Romney is a member of a nut culture
Huckabee is a simpleton and a fool
Paul is an extremist
Gravel is too good for America
Take the nut. Americans are comfortable with that. Bomb,bomb,McCain, the NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!
Pretty good debate tonight. I thought that both candidates were articulate and handled themselves well. Wolf Blitzer annoyed me at times, taking things off topic instead of just letting the candidates answer. I am ready to hear about some other issues, like global warming, social security, etc, as it seems we've covered the Iraq War, immigration and health care issues pretty thoroughly in the course of other debates. I'd like to see another You-Tube debate, with questions from the general public. I don't think I'd be unhappy with either Obama or Clinton as the Democratic nominee. But I still worry that Mrs. Clinton would be a more polarizing candidate, and more likely to be beaten by a strong Republican like McCain.
We shall see.
Why are so many people on this thread unwilling to actually look at the records of Clinton and Obama, not to mention Mad Dog McCain, and see REALITY? If you want a touchy feely fascist in office just remember Baby Caligula's "compassionate conservatism." Unless the good manners crowd wises up, you can look forward to less and less potable water, less and less fuel, the extermination of most other species, and, best of all, no atmosphere! Remember that when you call someone else a "paranoiac" or a "loser".
RichM,
Was there any candidate that you did or do support? Just curious.
Being a Sen from New York State does she receive campaign contributions from Israeli lobby. If so how objective could she be in brokering peace between the Palestinians and Israel?
Interesting that Clinton's big line\lie re the Bush\Clinton dynasty is that it took a Clinton to clean up after a Bush. An astute observer would note the kinship between family Bush and "adopted son" Bill as the real connection.
The fact that the NYTimes endorsed candidates from both teams indicates essentially no light between parties.
Obama's ratcheting up the terror card was deplorable-especially remarking that we had taken our attention away from Latin America. Hillary nodded and that silly painted on grin...The one thing Obama has going for him in the pop culture superficiality contest is that he is smooth with a sophisticated polish, while Clinton comes across as clumsy with her "ahs", "wells", "you knows" that should have been trained out of her public speaking by junior high.... and that plastic frozen smile because her advisors advised against the dirty looks. She still can't hide the smugness though.
The thing Billary has going for it is brazen ambition.
I don't understand the appearance of the cheerfulness police.
If a situation is bad, then rationality demands that we see it clearly.
The mainstream media and mainstream candidates are fine for those who want to see "morning in America" without regard to the evidence. Please don't push delusional optimism here.
Negativity is essential ! Humorous negativity is a valuable life skill. Negativity is a grounding skill and is absolutely necessary to balance twinklebunny positivism. Balance is what is needed, not positivism. Only from negativity do we find the path we must walk to find the balance. In Balance, negativism is equal to positivism in value. Twinklebunny change demands negative comment. We are doing our job well here.
Four words: ardent supporter of Israel.
Nancy Pace
Ah! I knew you were just joking.
Sorry to rain on your negativity parade, guys!
I can only listen to so much "Wah, Wah, Wah" before I'm compelled to stick a pacifier in the pie hole.
Okay, let's try it your way and talk reality. In my opinion, Dennis Kucinich best represented the progressive point of view among this year's pool of presidential candidates. I didn't agree with all of his positions, but I liked his style and the clarity of his message.
REALITY: He was unable to muster enough support and raise enough funds to mount a viable campaign.
REALITY: Was he marginalized in the mainstream media? Yep. Was he marginalized in the debates? Yep.
REALTIY: All of the candidates that the MSM did not consider "frontrunners" suffered the same fate. Therefore, one could argue that the MSM pre-selected their favorite candidates and the American voters are just mindless sheep being led into the voting booth by the corporate elistists. That argument pre-supposes not only that the MSM is the only source of information that the mindless sheep have access to, but that the mindless sheep are truly mindless.
REALITY: Anyone who is really searching for a progressive candidate to support and vote for can find information through myriad resources outside of the MSM. Furthermore, the fact that the MSM's polling data and predicted outcomes were wrong in a number of the primary votes seems to indicate that it is the MSM that is being marginalized in this election.
REALITY: Other Americans did not agree with me about Mr. Kucinich.
REALITY: Mr. Kucinich is no longer running for president.
REALITY: Mr. Kucinich will not be the next president.
REALITY: I must now decide whether to cast my vote for someone else, or choose to obstinately vote for Mr. Kucinich anyway in order to make a personal statement that, in the grand scheme of things, means nothing to anyone outside of myself.
REALITY: I can lend my support to a third party candidate who has no better chance of actually winning the election than Mr. Kucinich, but who lets me satisfy my desire to buck the status quo and the two-party system that limits our choices.
REALITY: We are down to two options on the Democratic ticket and will soon be down to two options on the Republican ticket. Eventually, we will have one candidate from each ticket to vote for, along with a selection of third party candidates that generally represent the most extreme ends of the left and right continuum.
REALITY: Whether they are pure as saints or tainted as two-dollar whores, one of these candidates is going to be the next president.
REALITY: None of the remaining candidates represent my views on all the issues. Some are further off the mark than others, some aren't even on the radar. I'm aware of both their faults and their attributes.
MY REMAINING OPTIONS: Stand over my dead horse, beat my chest, tear out my hair and bellow about how the tainted one (who WILL be president whether I like it or not) is going to lead us to the Apocalypse. Hell, George Bush has left us with a gigantic clusterf**k, but even HE didn't manage to do that,
OR, make the best selection I can and then hope that the next president does a better job than the last one (granted, this is not a difficult bar to hurdle) and continue to do my best to hold my elected officials accountable.
Chicken Little or Twinklebunny.
Hmmm.
Okay, pass me the carrots.
Regarding negativity, I observe a few maxims:
1) Covering up problems with platitudes doesn't ultimately fix anything. Our society is failing, and headed for great heaps of trouble on many fronts.
2) I'm not negative with regard to politics, I'm just not buying the same age-old empty promises from the same class of plutocrats and their autocrats (politicians). The time for haircuts, suits-and-ties, smiles and vague feel-goods, has past.
3) It is the love of the good things in life -- family, food, drink, spare time, freedom, liberty, art, nature, economic self-determination, the world my children will grow up in, etc. which causes me to be concerned.
Denialists, apologists and minimizers see few problems, and therefore cannot offer solutions.
I tend to get my fill of negativity by reading the news, and escape to fiction for feel-goods. Some people are the other way around -- they enjoy horror, brutality, etc. in their fiction -- and turn to the news for feel-goods. Pretty twisted, and not very productive.
"I don't understand the appearance of the cheerfulness police.
If a situation is bad, then rationality demands that we see it clearly.
The mainstream media and mainstream candidates are fine for those who want to see "morning in America" without regard to the evidence. Please don't push delusional optimism here."
Yeah, I agree prof.
I've been taking a little breather because I was getting too personal in my posts - my bad. However, I encourage folks here to say it as they feel it - just maybe with just a little less personal rancor (which, again, I was guilty of).
There are damn few outlets for people with eyes wide open to go to, and I applaud CD for allowing this one to continue. Frustration will boil over because for progressives these are very frustrating times.
I'd like to think that we are all welcome here (save the trolls), including the angry and the sanguine, the hopeless and the hopeful, the calm and the frustrated. We need to work this stuff out and letting it out in a safe (and anonymous) way is a start.
Reagan was not Jack Armstrong, the All American boy. What he appeared to be to the naive was the opposite of what he was, a medicine man offering an elixir which proved to be toxic.
George Lakoff is one of my gurus but in this case the question is whether he got framed or is framing.
He certainly is not unaware of our shadow government which is composed of the self-styled elite of both parties who buy and sell politicians like they were a commodity. He is not unaware of the conflation of neoconservatism and the industrial/military complex. He knows his civics well enough to know that the President does not enact laws unless he is allowed to assume dictatorial power by an indifferent or cooperating Congress. And finally the Clintons are not without the charisma to unite. Without the lies and distortions of the media which is owned and operated by the shadow government, they would unite us again.
re: grumpyoldlady (10:57 am)
I have no disagreement with those things that you label "reality," but your conclusions miss an important point, which is this: if you are compelled to vote for someone whose positions and interests are directly opposed to yours, then voting becomes a farce.
We have seen the long-term consequences of trying to settle for the better farce. To continue to do so is like hitting one's hand with a smaller hammer instead of a larger one, because technically speaking, the smaller hammer is closer to a regimen of healing.
I refuse to make my vote a farce.
This just in (all of you might get a laugh):
Hillary Clinton just received an endorsement from Ann Coulter! She claims that Clinton "is further to the right than McCain."
There's that left/right thing again. I prefer to keep metaphor in poetry, the arts, music, etc. On what voting/ideological logical basis does Coulter base his conclusions?
But it's part of the myth-making apparatus to paint McCain as some sort of centrist, not intended to provide a boost to Hillary.
Oh sure, Ann Coulter. I dare you to vote for Hillary. You don't have the balls, lady. And neither does Rush, or Sawn or any of your other hateclub members.
LOL I saw that this morning about Coulter as well. She's got her panties all bunched up because she see's McCain getting the nomination...Clinton is farther to the right than McCain, I do have to agree with her on that...LOL
With Dennis Kucinich out of the race Ron Paul is
our only hope. Change parties and vote RP in your
local primary/caucus if it's not too late already.
I don't agree with RP on everything, but he is the one
DK endorsed. They voted against all the wars, the patriot
acts, etc.
Audio of Kucinich talking about Ron Paul as a running mate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By_zxa1qnj4
Dennis Kucinich asked about Ron Paul on Free Minds TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18
http://www.ronpaul2008.com
Rich,
"But then you wrongly try to resolve the awfulness of the dilemma by casting it as a mere matter of whether you personally prefer to be cheerful or angry. That's a false framing of what is really a very complex social & political question."
Well, if being angry accomplishes nothing except aggravating my ulcer, I opt for cheerful. Anger without direction is nothing but noise.
"Liberals always cave in to whatever slop the Democratic Party offers, then try to console themselves with weak promises to "do my best to hold my elected officials accountable." But there's no such thing as "holding officials accountable," in US society. If the last 7 years haven't convinced you of that, I can't imagine what would."
I agree completely!! I liked Mr. Kuncinich. I did everything I could think of to help him along. I sent him some moola, I mailed letters, I talked him up to anyone who would listen. His campaign pooped. What do you suggest I DO? Stand on a street corner and wail? Expatriate to Liechtenstein? Start a para-military group in my basement and start planning the overthrow of the government? (I hate guns, so that will never do). What you say about accountability is absolutely correct. Therefore, short of the options above, the only power I have left is my vote, for what it's worth. I could choose to not cast it at all, or cast it for a candidate that won't win as a personal statement of my displeasure with the field...a statement that no one gives a rats ass about and which will change nothing. So who's being real here?
When I cast my vote, it isn't because the candidate I vote for has lulled me into some Polly-Annaish state of blissful ambivalence. My point is that while it is good to have no delusions about the sincerity or qualities of the available candidates, it's just as disingenuous to focus only on what is wrong with the system and/or the candidate(s) without offering any solutions. Maybe you're right and it's all a bunch of crap. When you're ready to suggest some viable solutions, I'm all ears!
Twinklebunny ears, that is! :)
savethebor,
i would answer the questions that you misdirected toward me, after first directing them to rich m. however, rich m did a very fine job of answering those questions, hope you were able to understand what he was/is attempting to inform you of. however, in the spirit of q & a, i'll add a bit. naturally, before i go throw up again over the mere thought of attempting social discourse with you.
seeing how you know very little about me, i find it neither analytical or intellectually (seems to be in short supply these days) stimulating to exchange thoughts with you. you have the audacity to label me, and probably many others here, as a "complaining loser" when in fact you may very well be the pot calling the kettle black. nor do you know of the "positive steps" i am actively involved in, which may or may not have a direct effect on your shallow thought process. btw, i'll try not to "waste" any more of my "time" or my "life" by reading any more of your posts.
here's the fact, savethebore: msm influenced voters in iowa, new hampshire and nevada. those voters in turn narrowed the field down to four. after tuesday, the field will be narrowed down to two. so, you think that's a workable system? so, we, the rest of america, get the choice between an eloquent black politician, or a grating white woman. one is unqualified, the other is certified dangerous. we're just wrapping up eight years of combined unqualified and dangerous. it's been a fucking blast, hasn't it?
think you can stomach the next ten months of hysteria while our brothers and sisters are spilling their blood and guts, in a hostile country, over our in-fucking-sane addiction to energy consumption? think you can wait for hillarious's immigration reform "with fair minded republicans"? what planet is she on? do you think the people in this country, currently in financial trouble, are anxiously awaiting hilllarious's "90 day moratorium on foreclosure" or her "5 year lock on interest rates"? what do you think the financial lords have to say about that? i'm just pissing all over myself waiting for obama's dialogue with hollywood over the sex and violence coming out of hollywood. or his proposal re: health insurance to make sure that those who can't afford it are required to pay "back premiums for not getting it in the first place". oh, yeah. as previously posted, how about this: obama and clinton's continued support, financially speaking, of the iraq war? how about obama's remarks last nite regarding iran? catch any of that? did it get your attention? obviously not, if you're supporting him.
hopefully your group of awakened citizens are more awake than you.
All this Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck nonsense is merely a ploy by the fascists to paint Mad Dog McCain as a moderate. Nothing could be further from the truth. He is a war criminal who not only enthusiastically killed thousands of Vietnamese people from his souped-up, armed-to-the-teeth jet bomber but now advocates, "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," and plans to stay around in Iraq for a hundred years. As if this senile old fart even has one term of the presidency left.
Lino, thank you for your response. You may very well be taking "positive steps", perhaps even contributing your time, energy, talents and financial resources to correct the ills of this country. However, I have not seen you write about what can, could, or should be done; you have a passionate audience in the CD group, ever thought of influencing your fellow posters to accomplish something? Perhaps by example?
Maybe the truth is you have a hybrid car, or you gave up your car and now only walk or ride a bike; you recycle; you have been frugal and have money set aside for retirement; you call, write, fax and email your elected representatives on issues of importance to you; you started your own group, like Code Pink, to get media attention for what you believe in; you write letters to the editor to keep important issues alive; you are running for a public office yourself, maybe mayor of your city; you started a publication to promote what you believe in and to encourage change; you are studying Ghandi and Martin Luther King, Jr. and have committed yourself to non-violence as a way of fomenting change; you volunteer to speak to High School students about the Constitution and Bill of Rights; you demonstrate; you contribute money to groups working for the changes you want; you visit veterans with severe wounds or PTSD.....
or, like so many others here, do you just post on these sites in the bitch-o-rama? Please tell us the "positive steps" you are taking............ others might join you.
Come on people...our best bet is Hillary Clinton. We can pay her less (just 73% of what any other candidate) and still be just as satisfied as we are with any other candidate of either party...
Again I see two solutions to this dilemma:
1.) Abolish the system and come up with a better one
or
2.) Some of us (including myself) run for political office so we get more progressives into political office to make meaningful change
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The boys' club is alive and well. Never misses an opportunity to portray Hilliary is a bad light or say disparging words. Obama is always portrayed as the "savior" of the party, but it isn't his party to save. And neither is it Hilliary's to loose. When all is said and done, all this nastiness will come back to haunt you boys and your skewed analysis.
"Hillary Clinton just received an endorsement from Ann Coulter! She claims that Clinton "is further to the right than McCain.""
Nah, that's not why Coulter likes Hillary. She likes Hillary 'cause she knows that if she wins the Dems' nomination, a Republican will win the general.
claudius,
The edit function doesn't work 'cause the DBA doesn't know the DB from his A. I've suggested that I (or someone else who knows SQL) might be able to help, but got no response.
S'okay...CD still has my support. After all, they're progressives and progressives always get things done...eventually. Gotta love us!
Rockerbabe1,
The same could be said re Obama vis-a-vis the race card.
I'd love to see a woman as president, as long as she brought the female wisdom with her. I'm not sure Hillary would. Consider Maggie Thatcher and Golda Meir. A vagina should not be a qualification any more than should testicles.
It seems obvious that, to the NYT editors, judgment is not so important as "experience." Never mind that Hillary's "experience" is restricted to padding up and down the White House corridors while her husband put together his second-echelon presidency. She has revealed, unmistakably, her amoral and second-rate judgment in helping to enable the Iraq invasion. She would obviously be equally mediocre as President, and for that reason she should never be allowed anywhere near the White House. And, incidentally, who wants to see her husband enabled to exploit further Giuliniesque maneuvers to exploit his connections for further profit? Obama is clearly the superior candidate.
Rich,
Wow, that was a lot of meat to give a bunny, but okay, I'll bite!
"There is zero chance that our system can be fixed through the officially-approved mechanisms. Whether overtly recognized or not, there's a war going on — the US ruling class against all the rest of us."
Don't know that I agree that there's a "zero" chance, but we can agree to disagree on that one. On the second point, I'll concede. The country was founded by people raised in a society with strict class distinctions. It was not the indentured servants (the vast majority of colonial immigrants) who made the rules or designed the institutions. The ruling class has always jealously guarded its turf, keeping the rest of us separate and using the mechanisms of government and commerce to protect their own interests (don't even get me started on compulsory schooling!). This isn't something new. It's actually something very old.
"Voting for candidates only works when there are decent candidates — but that's not our situation. We betray ourselves if we fail to recognize that."
Perhaps you're right. But in a free society we all have to define "decent" for ourselves. Some citizens are very pleased with the candidates we have. I may not agree, I may try to persuade them to look at someone else or take a different stand. But there is something fundementally arrogant in writing people off as deluded, stupid or incompetent if I don't agree with them or if my arguments fail to persuade. IMO, my failure to persuade others is not a reflection on them, but on my ability to persuade and the strength of my argument. And while I understand the inclination to withhold one's vote, I worry that it may be a form of resistance that could backfire. Isn't there a danger that this kind of resistance could be interpreted as apathy? Perhaps if voters are no longer interested in voting, they no longer need the opportunity?
Perhaps that was my primary point regarding anger and angry discourse. Of course social injustice should invoke righteous anger in anyone with an ounce of empathy or sentience. But social movements like the kind you speak of require more than passion. They require an ability to communicate that passion in thoughtful ways that will inspire others, not disparage them. A cause that is truly just can stand on its own merits, and people who feel powerless can be inspired to bring about great change. One only has to look at the deeds of Mahatma Ghandi, Rosa Parks and Cesar Chavez to find hope for change in the face of incredible odds.
Rats! There I go into Twinklebunny mode again! :)
Go to a rightwing political comment site. You won't find the kind of anger and division and name-calling you find here.
They go with what they have in common; we fight among ourselves with a holier-than-thou intensity that makes the powers-that-be smile.
What I don't see here is cohesion -- nothing that smacks of doing something concrete together. Say, like getting out into the streets and demanding -- what? How about all of us in every town picking a day to march until we're arrested -- all with signs that say "Bush is a war criminal", or with a sign that lists any one of the many crimes he's committed?
All the rest is intellectual masturbation.
Let's use the R-word, finally, at last....
Icotler
Thank you very much for your insightful comments. I suggest you go join up for the Children's Crusade. Now, please excuse me while I go masturbate - intellectually of course.
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Who was Kennedy? Kennedy was Pipeline. The Kennedy era was Wiamea Bay. Is life Pipeline? Is life Wiamea Bay or Mavericks or Burleigh Head or Hossegor? No, and the politics you encounter in life is never a matter of riding a wave. It's busting your butt just to get down to the junk surf. Overcast. Drizzel. Cold. No lines, just bumps. And yet...it does it again!
It does it again? Are you sure? Or was it that that Something in you dragged the old bod down...as It has many times before...out past the feudal town and into the drink? Bad rides, bad waves, so what? All the vibes changed out there in the sea, while the space itself resonated with something unchanged in you...that original face. Everyday consciousness surprised at the presense, so little of the right wavelengths left in shock-schlock land to light it up. Be your own lamps.
HELLO to all you out there with the strange metaphysics and yet with...pragmatic politics! I was actually for the Vietnam War at one time [age 12] because...Kennedy was for it. One fact was all he needed. One! The time required to get Vietnam to cozy up to China would have allowed us many years to win her over by diplomacy. One fact, but no one delivered. Now turns out it's the USA more than anyone that's turned China into the entity no one dare annoy in the slightest. Simply by sending over bonds. Wake up, Earl Pitz!
Participatory economics...fine! But let's not forget what Thom Hartmann sez re more participatory governance. George Lakoff is probably correct regarding what the Clinton wonks cannot see in terms of the potential still available. Sign up at New Cafe dot org, and drop in on the thread in the "Currents" forum entitled "Electoral and deliberative systems: IRV, Condorcet, etc.." I commend surfing to everyone, but when it comes to activism...be your own waves.
The New Cafe discussion mentioned above in my 8:37 AM post is not a thread that I started.
No one is supposed to make historical parallels anymore. But I remember a people defeated after a war with an economy in shambles, humiliated who put their faith on a man who would restore their "(1) values, (2) connection, (3) authenticity, (4) trust, and (5) identity". I remember those same people demonizing others and sanctifying without question their choice. In the hunger to win on behalf of the so called "progressive" movement, we have adopted the means of corruption, delusion and opportunism. The crafting of words, nuance, distortion and demonization.
No matter what you think, a woman like Hillary, has been turned into the most horrible human being. When did the Legal Services Administration and heading that become trivial? When did working on the Watergate Congressional Committee become nothing? When did it become insignificant to try to put a National Healthcare system and face the onslaught of the Conservative become a sham rather than heroic? Do I question her on the war vote? YES. Do I question so many other of her positions YES.
But please MR. Lakoff, in the effort to out do the conservative machine do not emulate their binary idiocies.
US policies are not gonna change. All I want is a better run government. People are served with small crafted policies, regulations and procedures. People are served with government officials that care about fairness. Change in America is and will be incremental.
I do find disturbing the mob that is willing to place it's faith, it's desire for inspiration, it's trancendency and transformation on a politician. What will the machine that made him do when he starts to crumble, Axelrod carefully created a story to sell to America, that story will face hardships. But will the supporters question the story? Who wants to lose faith? Who wants to feel that the one who inspired them is just another politician? This mob scares me, fueled by the egocentric blogosphere, who moved from dungeons and dragons too being Kingmakers.
Bill's choice of words may have been blunt. Too blunt for the naive faith based media and voter. Obama's anti war stance is a fairy tale. He claims better judgement. It was not judgement it was an opinion. His judgement was when he supported Kerry's vote and now demonizes for gain, Hillary's vote. If he was anti war, inspirational and full of values, why did he not lead an anti war movement? Why did he not speak in the Senate? Obama disdains the work of government just as the current tenants. Watch his interview with the Reno Gazette, the full hour not the clip the media and the fanatics pushed. He will delegate. Yet, when he had role in the community he did not notice that one of his funders was pillaging affordable housing. And when asked, he said he did not know and that affordable housing fails because of the 'neighborhood demographics" aka, poor African American people.
Finally, who gave the "torch of leadership" to Kennedy? When did he show leadership in the last twenty years? A few speeches? Why did the establishment white men unite against Hillary? It is a gender issue.
Finally on the progressive tag. This is a coalition that is doomed to the fate of the Conservative revolution. The anti war position unites them. But what beyond feeling good about America? Social and economic justice are not elements. The most this is a libertarian movement.
Stop the negative thinking. Mad Dog McCain is never going to be president, because you guys there in America are not going to allow him to do so. Right ? Are you still paying attention ?
I'll see your Clinton Abomination, and raise you
one Constructive OBAMA-NATION.
McCain almost single-handedly sank the USS Forrestal in July of 1967. He was sitting in the cock-pit of his jet, on the deck of the Carrier USS Forrestal, and fired a missile across the deck into several other parked jets. Needless to say, that ignited the ordinances and fuel of the other jets and the conflagration cost many lives. Now I grant you that accidents can happen, BUT Mr. McCain told the story that the missile fired itself.......!!!!!!
It was after that event that Mr. McCain started taking more and more mission-flights over Vietnam. Perhaps he was eager to make amends, or perhaps, like so many of the upper-echelon Republicans, he has a deep, self-annihilalist complex..... we report.....you decide.