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Why The Right Loves a Disaster
Moody's, the credit-rating agency, claims the key to solving the United States' economic woes is slashing spending on Social Security. The National Assn. of Manufacturers says the fix is for the federal government to adopt the organization's wish-list of new tax cuts. For Investor's Business Daily, it is oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, "perhaps the most important stimulus of all."
But of all the cynical scrambles to package pro-business cash grabs as "economic stimulus," the prize has to go to Lawrence B. Lindsey, formerly President Bush's assistant for economic policy and his advisor during the 2001 recession. Lindsey's plan is to solve a crisis set off by bad lending by extending lots more questionable credit. "One of the easiest things to do would be to allow manufacturers and retailers" -- notably Wal-Mart -- "to open their own financial institutions, through which they could borrow and lend money," he wrote recently in the Wall Street Journal.
Never mind that that an increasing number of Americans are defaulting on their credit card payments, raiding their 401(k) accounts and losing their homes. If Lindsey had his way, Wal-Mart, rather than lose sales, could just loan out money to keep its customers shopping, effectively turning the big-box chain into an old-style company store to which Americans can owe their souls.
If this kind of crisis opportunism feels familiar, it's because it is. Over the last four years, I have been researching a little-explored area of economic history: the way that crises have paved the way for the march of the right-wing economic revolution across the globe. A crisis hits, panic spreads and the ideologues fill the breach, rapidly reengineering societies in the interests of large corporate players. It's a maneuver I call "disaster capitalism."
Sometimes the enabling national disasters have been physical blows to countries: wars, terrorist attacks, natural disasters. More often they have been economic crises: debt spirals, hyperinflation, currency shocks, recessions.
More than a decade ago, economist Dani Rodrik, then at Columbia University, studied the circumstances in which governments adopted free-trade policies. His findings were striking: "No significant case of trade reform in a developing country in the 1980s took place outside the context of a serious economic crisis." The 1990s proved him right in dramatic fashion. In Russia, an economic meltdown set the stage for fire-sale privatizations. Next, the Asian crisis in 1997-98 cracked open the "Asian tigers" to a frenzy of foreign takeovers, a process the New York Times dubbed "the world's biggest going-out-of-business sale."
To be sure, desperate countries will generally do what it takes to get a bailout. An atmosphere of panic also frees the hands of politicians to quickly push through radical changes that would otherwise be too unpopular, such as privatization of essential services, weakening of worker protections and free-trade deals. In a crisis, debate and democratic process can be handily dismissed as unaffordable luxuries.
Do the free-market policies packaged as emergency cures actually fix the crises at hand? For the ideologues involved, that has mattered little. What matters is that, as a political tactic, disaster capitalism works. It was the late free-market economist Milton Friedman, writing in the preface to the 1982 reissue of his manifesto, "Capitalism and Freedom," who articulated the strategy most succinctly. "Only a crisis -- actual or perceived -- produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable."
A decade later, John Williamson, a key advisor to the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank (and who coined the phrase "the Washington consensus"), went even further. He asked a conference of top-level policymakers "whether it could conceivably make sense to think of deliberately provoking a crisis so as to remove the political logjam to reform."
Again and again, the Bush administration has seized on crises to break logjams blocking the more radical pieces of its economic agenda. First, a recession provided the excuse for sweeping tax cuts. Next, the "war on terror" ushered in an era of unprecedented military and homeland security privatization. After Hurricane Katrina, the administration handed out tax holidays, rolled back labor standards, closed public housing projects and helped turn New Orleans into a laboratory for charter schools -- all in the name of disaster "reconstruction."
Given this track record, Washington lobbyists had every reason to believe that the current recession fears would provoke a new round of corporate gift-giving. Yet it seems that the public is getting wise to the tactics of disaster capitalism. Sure, the proposed $150-billion economic stimulus package is little more than a dressed-up tax cut, including a new batch of "incentives" to business. But the Democrats nixed the more ambitious GOP attempt to leverage the crisis to lock in the Bush tax cuts and go after Social Security. For the time being, it seems that a crisis created by a dogged refusal to regulate markets will not be "fixed" by giving Wall Street more public money with which to gamble.
Yet while managing (barely) to hold the line, the House Democrats appear to have given up on extending unemployment benefits and increasing funding for food stamps and Medicaid as part of the stimulus package. More important, they are failing utterly to use the crisis to propose alternative solutions to a status quo marked by serial crises, whether environmental, social or economic.
The problem is not a lack of ideas "alive and available" -- to borrow Friedman's phrase. There are plenty available, from single-payer healthcare to legislating a living wage. Hundreds of thousands of jobs can be created by rebuilding the ailing public infrastructure and making it more friendly to public transit and renewable energy. Need start-up funds? Close the loophole that lets billionaire hedge fund managers pay 15% capital gains instead of 35% income tax, and adopt a long-proposed tax on international currency trading. The bonus? A less volatile, crisis-prone market.
The way we respond to crises is always highly political, a lesson progressives appear to have forgotten. There's a historical irony to that: Crises have ushered in some of America's great progressive policies. Most notably, after the dramatic market failure of 1929, the left was ready and waiting with its ideas -- full employment, huge public works, mass union drives. The Social Security system that Moody's is so eager to dismantle was a direct response to the Depression.
Every crisis is an opportunity; someone will exploit it. The question we face is this: Will the current turmoil become an excuse to transfer yet more public wealth into private hands, to wipe out the last vestiges of the welfare state, all in the name of economic growth? Or will this latest failure of unfettered markets be the catalyst that is needed to revive a spirit of public interest, to get serious about the pressing crises of our time, from gaping inequality to global warming to failing infrastructure?
The disaster capitalists have held the reins for three decades. The time has come, once again, for disaster populism. Naomi Klein is the author of many books, including her most recent, The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism, which will be published in September.Visit Naomi's website at www.naomiklein.org, or to learn more about her new book, visit www.shockdoctrine.com .
© 2008 The Los Angeles Times



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What might be the role of the foreign sovereign funds in US politics? How much power do nations like China, and Saudi Arabia have in our policies because of their wealth?
I am concerned because the US has so much debt that is being held in China by that government and now our national and personal debt is so high and we have the sub prime crisis in mortgages. The stock market is going down and we may be headed into a recession that could be very long..(but then again maybe not...)
In any case our political system is now open to lobbyists from large corporations and those corporations are selling shares to Chinese sovereign funds.
While the US policy is to put large amounts of money into its military the real war may be in the economic system. The US with all its debts and a political system that uses large amounts of money to fund expensive campaigns, may be vulnerable to foreign interests that own large portions of US corporations.
The US won against Russia intiially I believe by emphasizng a build up in the military, which Russia tried to equal but was financially unable to compete. Could China be doing the same thing to us? Are we weakening ourselves economically and making it more difficult for us to compete internationally by putting so much money into a military build up?
The products sold by China in the US are at such low costs it is impossible for US manufacturers to compete. Even the costs of the raw materials are higher than the finished products sold by China. Could China be raising large amounts of dollars to weaken the US in an economic war?
I love the pen-name , Tom Joad . For those Americans not old enough to have lived through the Great Depression ( which is most of us ) I strongly recommend reading again or for the first time , John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath . In the long narrative , the reader only guesses that the Joad family survived hardships that out-number what most Americans are suffering today.It's fiction but with Steinbeck inserting his non-narrative commentaries liberally-scattered throughout the book , it's very plain to the reader that the perpetuation if not the cause of the wide-spread suffering in the depression was attributable to uncontrolled capitalism .
Upton Sinclair excoriated , among others , the meat-packing plants in America at the beginning of the 20th. century in his novel , The Jungle .Again , it was a scathing indictment of laissez-faire capitalism .
In 1850 (+or-) Harriet Beecher Stowe awakened many Americans to the evils of slavery with her fictional Uncle Tom's Cabin . The single novel along with many Quakers who had been wide awake all along was the catalyst for a snow-balling Abolitionist Movement that probably led to the Civil War , Emancipation and the end of slavery.
Humans haven't changed that much in ten-thousand years (+or-)of recorded history : One woman or one man can and will be the spark to set off a social revolution for benevolence or malevolence ( Adolf Hitler )
Tom Joad - so right! And, Ronald White - "The Grapes of Wrath" is my favorite American novel. We may all be facing our own personal Grapes of Wrath in the coming months and years. Rebel Farmer, you are right on! Hungry bellies will start a growling that may finally wake up the sleeping populace. I keep hearing the Crosby, Stills and Nash song in my head: "Long Time Gone."
"But you know, the darkest hour is always just before the dawn."
Somehow, there's just got to be a dawn, and it can't come soon enough!
"Speak out, you got to speak out against the madness,
You got to speak your mind if you dare."
Satya
What a gift this woman is to the progressive cause. Articulate, beautiful, thank you Naomi, for shining the light on the greed and cold heart of the right.
They are ready with their "ideas". We must be even more forceful with ours.
"Close the loophole that lets billionaire hedge fund managers pay 15% capital gains instead of 35% income tax"
Now isn't that an interesting idea?
Taxes should be based on ability to pay. It makes no sense to tax investment income at rates lower than earned income. Why should investors get a tax "discount"?
It's time to eliminate lower capital gains rates. Income is income.
"the House Democrats appear to have given up... "
Republicans - disaster capitalism
Democrats - disaster capitulation
actually it's just time to get rid of the income tax altogether abd replace it with a consumption tax so it can't be gamed. Taxing income is regressive.
The Repug's are packing 44's while the Dem's are shooting blanks. It's a good old fashioned turkey shoot. Bang we have a Repug disaster, then bang, we have an empty Dem retort. It's the DLC's Gucci pop gun festival. At least in the old Dem Party we had real men packing real heat, union men. Today in the Dem party we have girley men packing pop guns. Pound that keyboard, we'll show'em.
I'm directly at odds with illumineer. Taxing consumption is regressive and it can be gamed as easily as the income tax. How? Tax the things the poor spend their money on, like used clothing, and exempt the things the rich buy, like yachts.
militantliberal believes the stock propaganda so is hopeless.
"Yet it seems that the public is getting wise to the tactics of disaster capitalism."
And that is because of Naomi! Thank you for your superb work bringing this issue into the mainstream dialogue.
I always look forward to your articles.
You my girl!
I think one of her est comments was saying that progressives need to want to see their goals achieved as much or more than the other side wants their goals.
Its obvious truth.
illumineer,
Ever hear of a sin tax? Now picture THAT on a national level. Of course a consumption tax can be gamed.
Income tax wasn't supposed to be gamed, but clearly it is. Example: Income tax is 'gamed' to favor married heterosexuals and those who breed the most get the best breaks.
That is gaming.
A consumption tax would be progressive, just like progressive income tax. A regressive tax is one that affects lower income earners more than higher income earners. For example, a 40 cent increase in gasoline taxes is more likely to be felt by lower rather than higher wage earners. A consumption tax (sales tax) would be fairer in more respects than an income tax. It cannot be "gamed" as easily because there would be fewer exemptions. As, for example, there would be no tax on used items...only new. Don't expect a "fair tax" like this anytime soon, because the PTB like the system just the way it is.
One idea for an economic stimulus package might be raising the minimum wage to say, 11.00 an hour. Gee, do you think people might spend it? And WE the People don't have to borrow the money to finance it. As you may know, the big corps are sitting on piles of cash currently. Why not force their hand?
Naomi hits much of the nail on the head. As long as this country has a trade defecit and a budget defecit we are in big trouble. More progressive tax structure and a more progressive foreign policy is crucial to recovery.
Shock Doctrine gave me a new insight into the right-wing's vision by connecting the dots between disasters and "freemarket" (crony) capitalism.
The Republican party is a strange coalition of religious and economic fundamentalists. The public has long been aware of the danger posed by the religious fruitcakes but it is the economic nutjobs like Grover Nordquist that we really should be keeping our eyes on.
Heh folks, this ain't rocket science - we put the RICHFILTH ANIMALS on a leash before and we can do it again - it's spelled Roosevelt Legacy:
90% tax on earned income over $6mn/annum.
53% tax on unearned income.
50+% tax on mega-estates (Mr. Walton/Gates et al)
35% tax on Corporate Profits - no loopholes.
Glass-Steagall Act restored.
Full support for the Wagner Act and repeal of Taft-Hartley.
Elimination of Corporate Super-Citizenship by Statute.
Pots & Pans in the STREETS TIME. Shut it down. Ain't no Dem gonna save you from the Boogey Man now. The Monsters are treating us like ever 3rd world country we ever destroyed. We are on the Menu now, not the diners anymore. As others have learned before us, we can only save ourselves. Or not at all.
Pieces of 8.
Disaster populism has been dealt a harsh blow by the corporate media assassination of Dennis Kucinich, and the eminent demise of John Edwards. I watch the financial news shows every day and root for total economic collapse...which should show America what the Chicago School/ neoliberal/neoconservative/free trade/deregulation/
privatization/corporatism agenda of Milt Friedman has done for our economic and social health. Amerika's economic house of cards is falling and good riddance to Reagonomics. Today's neocon...tomorrow's bacon.
"Yet while managing (barely) to hold the line, the House Democrats appear to have given up on extending unemployment benefits and increasing funding for food stamps and Medicaid as part of the stimulus package."
Well, then, that's not holding the line. Unemployment benefits expire, and increasing numbers of people need assistance like food stamps, and yet those darn poor people continue to live!
What this country needs is a good hard 1930's style depression to wake up all the idiots that aren't paying attention to who is screwing them in the ass.
One easy and quick fix. Stop the Militarie occupation in Iraq, then baam its fixed.
If searching for a prime model, I don't think one needs to go beyond Lebanon, 2006
The callous destruction of the country's infrastructure by Israel in 2006 (with the US President and both the
House and Senate's full support -including both of the (D) presidential candidates) was pitted as an
attack against Hezbollah. Hezbollah did not control the Beirut's airport, yet it was bombed. Not even a dairy
facility was safe from bombardments.
One is told the invasion was thwarted. If we look at the Summer, 2006 as an example of an Israeli land force
attempting to enter Lebanon, then perhaps Israel lost a major defeat. But, if I skew the mirror ever so slight,
I see 100s of thousands of cluster munitions planted in Southern Lebanese farmlands. And most importantly,
I see a new flux of US reconstruction dollars flooding Lebanon. Is this the example of "true" American influence.
France's new leader seems to think it is good.
Tom Joad is right. The only way to get the gleefully uninformed American public to realize what has happened to them, and continues to happen, is for a full scale economic collapse to take place. The problem with that is that we are just as likely to wind up with a Christian version of Joseph Stalin as president, with a compliant congress, as we are to elect a contemporary version of FDR. There is only one god in the United States: money. Much of the middle class has indifferently but obediently been bending over and grabbing their ankles for the past seven years because the popes and cardinals of capitalism have been telling them it's God's will and that God and money are one and the same. They'll all have to wind up in the street with their thumbs all the way up their backsides for even a possibility of real change to take place. Don't bet on it, however. We're going the way of every empire in history - walking heedless and half-assed into catastrophe.
Read what might well be called the "Afterword" to Naomi's brilliant book: "Say Goodbye to Hegemony"
TAX STIMULUS EXPOSED
Nothing could be more clear than the real intent of this token tax stimulus package. It is a diversion tactic to forestall desperately needed reforms to the real and unprecedented threats to our economy, our environment, and our security. They include our dependance on foreign oil; trade imbalances; ownerships (and eventual control) of our infrastructure by foreign countries; and our degrading environment fueled by this administrations war against science.
Unless Americans compel this defaulting legislator to force meaningful and urgent reforms on to this reckless unelected zealot and his supporting interests--and prevent such outrageous abuses from future administrations--they will have only themselves to blame for our inevetible demise.
Isn't Marxism a doctrinal reaction to capitalism that proposes disaster socialism of sorts?
It does seem that class struggle is coming to a head again as inequities in and between countries are on the rise while the world's GDP is at heady new heights.
Perhaps the key is not the economy at all but rather the norms of socialization that favor leading families in nations of whatever political stripe, affluence, or culture who strive to enhance or preserve their power. The same families of and or nations who deny the genocide in their past or present while struggling up the class ladder of competitive nest building.
The former Soviet Union is often described as having been a form of state capitalism, where leading families enjoyed a privileged life style. What went wrong with the slogan, "from each according to their ability to each according to their need'?
Throughout history/herstory have not leading families come to power through entitlement, war, inheritance, mostly at the expense of the expendable other?
At the other extreme are some aboriginal communities where families gained prestige and power by being the most generous members. Is this an aberration of a sort of the 'social animal'?
Why do societies devote so much attention to bling whether it is cows, beads, or ipods?
Does the mating game and holding up the mirror play into all of this? What is the relationship of politics to narcissism? Do we like or dislike the traits in others that we like or dislike in ourselves?
How does this apply to the presidential contest? If economic (competitive nest building) concerns are at the forefront would it not be rational to vote for the politician that is pro war if our economy depends on war for prosperity? But hey could you not spin this as a gender issue? Are men not more into their macho toys, tending to prefer football and virtual war games over the fair sexes preferences?
Can gender issues be political!? Is there any context remaining in liberal, conservative, right or left? Is a pro war economy left or right? How many meaningless isms can you throw into the stew? Perhaps pundits of all stripes continue to make statements with these vague words and purport to have actually said something, since a bearing on truth may be tough in even the most objective pursuits.
'Disaster populism' sounds fine as we hear there are lots of hopeful ideas out there but what will it take for them to come to action (besides the disaster)?
Excellent article Naomi: You are correct the nazi party in this country (republicans since WWII and since 1980 many democrats) has always hated the idea of SS. The brutality of this hideous bush/nazi administration has been remarkable. With the help of the trillion dollar propaganda machine enabling the WMD's War Mongering Dirtbags ,.aka MSM the bush administration constantly confuses, cover ups and lies about the real issues. Since all about 99% of America listens to the WMD's how can the truth get out? The right wing nutjobs have even gone as far to suggest the WMD's are liberal. The insanity of this situation is totally mind-blowing to every aware and concerned American.
We are now living in stalag 13, where bush plays likable idiot Sergeant Schulz and cheney plays the colonel. The only problem is this is not a TV sitcom and the innocent people of Iraq and Afghanistan know this all too well as do many Americans. These tortuous blood thirsty thieving Nazis are attempting and laying the ground work by destroying everything good and decent America once stood for. Frankly as long as the WMD's are the voice of these vile war criminals while refusing to report the truth I see little hope for once was a noble and beautiful idea of a country.
Thank you once again for all you do to bring forth the truth, it is an honor.
Not 'Disaster Populism' but 'Franklinian Democracy' is what's needed to correct the out-of-control course of our nation.
Ben Franklin is credited with the expression 'Do well by doing good'. This is the ethic needed to counteract disaster capitalism.
Industry can be built around this ethic - since 2002 my company, DoughNation Services LLC,has proven it can be done. I believe it is the healthiest principle on which to base an economic model.
Six years ago I founded DoughNation Services LLC (www.doughnationservices.com) in Portland, Oregon. We embody 'doing well by doing good - and we believe this is the ethic America's Founders meant for the foundation for a great American nation.
DoughNation represents an entirely new industry, and it's entirely built around 'doing well by doing good'. We provide pickup, tax deduction documentation and delivery for donations of personal goods. Most of our clients actually gain more in their documented deductions than they pay for our services.
In addition, we provide wonderful expanded services that clear the entire home thrugh donation, recycling and disposal.
Lately we've begun teaming with local nonprofits focused on workforce development to provide work experience to program participants, and our strategy sessions focus all the time of how much farther we can extend our benefit.
So, I invite you all to consider 'Franklinian Democracy' as a place for us to start correcting our national course.
Lucky Lefty: Right on!!! So simple. So easy. So sensible. Of course that means it won't happen.......
Robert: You're right at one level. The current stimulas package is just a diversion. "They" are just trying to get us to believe that what has worked before will work again. But of course it won't. It's just more lipstick on the pig that is going to slaughter.
Even though it is going to be extremely painful, I too am looking forward to the economic depression that is coming. The sooner the better. I believe that people with hungry bellies will automatically start acting in their own interest and not that of the richfilth. I believe they will figure out that the last depression was brought on by the robber barons, unregulated financial markets, and the concentration of wealth, just as it is today. And I believe the people will look to what worked to get us out of the last depression as well. We really don't need another FDR. We already have the roadmap that he left behind. We just need a united American mob.
I have a great deal of hope in my heart that "we the people" will pull through this disaster and be better off because of it. We the people can only reclaim our country and constitution by all going in the same direction together to force out the evil that is strangleing us all.
KIM BREAS: Good luck to you. You sound like a very decent idealistic person who knows how to gain from sound ecology, what's more viable that recycling in a nation that has too much of everything, but does not put enough effort behind a more just basis for distribution. You are on the right track!
with the abolitionist movement spawning all
progressive movements in this country since.
Saturday, January 26, 2008 Perhpas Mr Chavez has an idea here:
CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez urged his Latin American allies on Saturday to begin withdrawing billions of dollars in international reserves from U.S. banks, warning of a looming U.S. economic crisis.
Chavez made the suggestion as he hosted a summit aimed at boosting Latin American integration and countering U.S. influence.
"We should start to bring our reserves here," Chavez said. "Why does that money have to be in the north? ... You can't put all your eggs in one basket."
And don't forget Jack London. He did more than write books that Disney made into movies. He researched and wrote about the human costs of the industrial revolution. Today's fight is just part of the same dance.
We need a Constitutional Amendment. People should not have to be second class citizens to all-powerful corporations and their agents.
Well, here's a wild idea from out of left field:
1. Stop punting billions of dollars into the war machine (and mercenary legions in Iraq).
2. Use some hefty portion of the money to bail out Americans who are stuck in the muck: (e.g.)people who can't pay their mortgages and people facing near-bankruptcy because (even with health insurance) they cannot pay their bills. Once these folks are no longer skating on the edge, maybe they can go out and buy the goods and services that form the neo-cons vision of what the economy needs.
3. Use some hefty portion of the money to establish a green WPA: put Americans back to work repairing our crumbling infrastructure and implementing greener technologies.
4. Use some hefty portion of the money to repair and refurbish our crumbling schools so that MAYBE, just MAYBE, children will manage to acquire enough education and motivation to find a place in the working world rather than be marginalized, abandoned, and imprisoned.
None of it will happen, of course. But WHY THE HELL NOT?
To illumineer:
You said "actually it's just time to get rid of the income tax altogether abd replace it with a consumption tax so it can't be gamed. Taxing income is regressive."
Either you are kidding or completely ignorant or a public relations man
for big Money/business entity
Peoples in the Third World are waiting for the leadership of the American People to start a revolution which might also help to alleviate their sufferings.
As long as the system of exploitation is strong and functioning in the rich north any hope of real change and any attempt at revolution in the poor countries is doomed from the start. This has been proven over and again in the last century.
Either their revolutionary initiatives were crushed by native reactionary forces supported by the rich North or their revolution-bred governments were slowly bled to death by international conspiracy of the rich North.
We need the American People to take the lead.
Naomi - no one is going to ever BE a disaster populism leader because our populist leadership (or potential leadership) keeps getting blown away! How many plane crashes in Missouri and Minnesota, and motorcade assassinations have been right wingers, AEI - Chamber of Commerce, neo-con types?
It also wouldn't hurt to have a level playing field, to give some power to the people who get their hands dirty actually DOING work. But noooo! We aren't allowed any collective power. The workers are paying taxes, to support University labor studies programs that produce labor consultants to work with people to teach them how to avoid a union in their work force, to lower the workers own standard of living.
"9-11" should be leaping off the page to all readers. It is the 9-11 strategy.
"Crisis opportunism" "disaster capitalism" "could it conceivably make sense to think of deliberately provoking a crisis so as to remove the political logjam to reform."
"A crisis hits, panic spreads and the ideologues fill the breach, rapidly reengineering societies in the interests of large corporate players."
"If this kind of crisis opportunism feels familiar, it's because it is." Naomi says.
If we believe in a morally upright America we had all better get involved in holding power accountable. Impeach the Bush/Cheney cabal...reopen 9-11 investigations, and get politics back to a foundation of truth
John R. Hall,
My feelings also. A close friend asked me the definition of 'neo-liberalism' a few years ago. I told him in plain simple English..."five for six"...like the loansharks in the old days would say. "I'll lend you five bucks, you pay me back six bucks." (20% interest-as long as you are on time with the payment) In Milton Friedman's plan, start cutting social benefits and meaningful programs for the poor and working-class in order to make the payments to the International Monetary Fund or World Bank.
LuckyLefty,
I like your tax percentages ratings.
Empire pie,
In a way, the old Soviet Union was corrupt, but nowhere near as much as the United States. Socialism, like real anarchy has been tried, mostly by small groups of people. Native cultures around the world have lived a communal existence for thousands of years, so this type of 'arrangement is not only possible, it has been proved quite workable. The trouble starts, when greed and/or ego manifests in one or more individuals, initiating the beginning of the downfall of the community. ( that is a different subject but akin to your comment. )
For those who spin the capitalist propaganda that socialism hampers creativity and the urge for innovation and self-fulfillment, I disagree. The concept of greed, selfishness, and materialism and money accumulation has been ingrained in the collective consciousness of so-called civilization for so long that it is excepted as gospel.
Why does a tiny minority of the population spend so much time on the internet exchanging ideas and methods we think may solve so many unnecessary problems when the vast majority don't care enough?
Tom Joad,
You are propably right, but the dumbed down American people will blame it on everybody BUT the ruling elite who are giving us a screwing. The General Strike to "change" this country for the better is long overdue. Will it happen?
Ronald White,
All important books which helped "change" America for the better. Good post.
Sung425,
Because he is doing the right thing for his country and fellow human beings, Mr. Chavez is demonized in the United States by both Dems and Repubs. I wish him well and he is leading South American away from the money lenders and into a hemispheric cooperative on a grand scale.
pograndma,
Jack London was a man of the people and gave away so much of his earnings from his writing. One of my favorite authors.
worddancer,
Four wonderful points for solving problems. You are so right!
"None of it will happen, of course. But WHY THE HELL NOT?"
Apathy, lethargy, fear, complacency, selfishness, ignorance, ...dinner's ready. I gotta go.
Naomi is a class act and a friend of my hero, Arundhati Roy.
Keep up the good work!
TigerDon
Cambridge
No exeter will change this tide, but fortunately, those in power have iniatiated their own self destruction...DC'S coke-heads of today, are the coat tails of tomorrow.
TigerDon - Wow, that is great company - Naomi and Arundhati. They are both great and insightful human beings. Thank God for their intelligence and humanity. I'm afraid that the post above yours begs for more of the same that we have now. Hopefully, those are becoming fewer and far between. More of the same is a nightmare. Naomi tells the truth, and without voices like hers and Arundhati's we have little hope. (Cambridge is one of my favorite places on Earth.) Peace,
Satya
Tax all transfers to tax havens at 35%. There is only one reason for a company to be based in a tax haven and that is to avoid tax. Tax havens hide up to 40% of capital in the world.
This would require a world wide approach so that money couldn't be laundered through compliant governments in the grip of multi-nationals.
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
Karl Marx
worddancer, you're totally correct. I often wonder what the hell it's going to take to get a green WPA project going. Do we really have to wait until after another Great Depression? It seems to me the people have the will for this, while the government and the corporations that control them do not. I say we have to do it from the ground up. Start a business/non-profit that helps people get off grid, or produce their own food, etc. It really is up to us.
welshTerrier2 January 27th, 2008 12:02 pm
...Taxes should be based on ability to pay. It makes no sense to tax investment income at rates lower than earned income. Why should investors get a tax "discount"?
I agree, it's illogical to value capital over the labor it takes to create it. How can it ever be more than a loosing proposition for anyone than the rich. Only when the rich begin to feel endangered do they give up a morsel of fairness to the "lower" classes. Sad greed governs all in a purely capitalistic society.
The key is cash flow, want to start a revolution? Starve the beast... let the head die and keep what you have, possession is 9/10th. Stop paying the bill or at least the interest. Let them come and try to take it away from you if your standing shoulder to shoulder with your community and nieghbors. It does not require any blood, and if done on a global scale would be non-violent. Mass debt elimination for all at the expense of the few! Security in numbers, we win... it would take less than 90 days to bring the top 1% to their knees and the barginning table. Collective barginning on a planetary level.
Where's that list of demands?
Out in the oil-territories the global corporatist Empire used Bush's "shock and awe" of actual bombs to overpower and loot.
But here at home the corporatist Empire uses 'only' the tyranny of 'debt bombs' dropped on our human economy to shock and awe the rubes into wasting their voting power.
In an Empire, there are the torturable and the untorturable --- although, over time, the two merge.
If we don't think carefully before wasting our precious right to vote in 2008. If we don't use our remaining voting power to turn out both faux parties of this corporatist Empire behind the facade of this 'Vichy American' government, then we will soon all be Iraqis.
As Hannah Arendt presciently warned decades ago, "Empire abroad (always) entails tyranny at home."
I'll bet many millions of Germans wished they had considered that before their last vote, when they were promised increased 'living space' by a candidate.
Let's hope average Americans consider that before giving their precious votes again to corporatist Empire for the false promise of consumer trinkets, entertainment, and cheap gas.
Empires can never deliver on their implied promises, even if they were not lying --- which they always are. Because Empire by its very nature is an unsustainable Ponzi economy --- a hierarchy, that needs an expanding in-flow of funds and life, but creates the appearance of wealth only by temporarily hiding the negative externality costs of death and destruction.
word-dance: You seem to be the only on this vein. I couldn't agree with you more. The war machine is the heart of the problem. The attitude of Americans towards war and the world is the source of the war machine. That needs to change. The waste is absolutely horrendous.