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Antarctic Glaciers Melting More Quickly
Antarctica's massive coastal glaciers are quickly melting into the sea as the oceans around the continent grow warmer - and the pace of ice loss is speeding up.An international satellite network measuring the thickness of the glaciers as they shrink year by year has found that the glaciers have melted so rapidly during the past 10 years that the continent is losing almost as much ice as Greenland, according to researchers gathering the satellite data.
The team from Chile, England and the Netherlands is led by Eric Rignot, a radar engineer and glacier specialist at UC Irvine and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory who has watched the shrinking glaciers and gathered data for the past 15 years from Canadian, Japanese and European polar-orbiting satellites.
Those satellites carry radar instruments that can measure the thickness of each glacier with remarkable accuracy, and they have now mapped more than 85 percent of the entire coastline of Antarctica, covering all the continent's major glaciers.
Unlike Greenland's coastal glaciers, where meltwater from the ice on the surface seeps down to the base of each glacier and lubricates it to speed its flow to the sea, the glaciers on Antarctica move down from the land as huge ice sheets and spread out over the ocean, where the thick glaciers are known as ice shelves.
For many years, scientists have watched some of these giant ice shelves breaking apart and crashing into the sea, and now more and more of them are melting as they move out over the ocean.
The cause: Antarctic waters like the Bellingshausen and Amundsen seas are warming, and as their water temperatures rise they melt the undersides of the ice sheets so the sheets become thinner and the seas intrude farther and farther inland - to melt still more of the ice, Rignot explained in a phone interview.
Although the effect of all this ice loss on global sea levels is still small - measured in a rise of only a few thousands of an inch each year so far from the melting in Antarctica - that increase has nearly doubled in the past 10 years, he estimated.
"We're concerned that the rate of glacier melting will double rapidly," Rignot said.
Ice loss is most pronounced in Antarctica's Pine Island Bay region, where three major glaciers are losing ice fast, and on the northern tip of the Antarctic Peninsula, Rignot and his colleagues reported.
Glaciers in those two regions alone lost about 212 billion tons of ice from 1996 to 2006 - an amount very similar to the total loss of ice on Greenland, Rignot and his team calculated.
The east coast of the Antarctic Peninsula is where two major ice shelves - called Larsen A and Larsen B - disintegrated in 1995 and 2002. Those immense events were among the most convincing early signals that global warming is real and dangerous.
The researchers calculated the increase in mass of the glaciers as snow has piled up on them, and compared those numbers with the losses due to melting into the sea. The calculations yield what Rignot and his colleagues term the "ice sheet mass balance," and the overall result is increasingly negative, they report.
"Large uncertainties remain in predicting Antarctica's future contribution to sea level rise," Rignot said.
"The ice sheets are responding faster to climate change than (anyone) anticipated," he said.
E-mail David Perlman at dperlman@sfchronicle.com.
© 2008 San Francisco Chronicle



110 Comments so far
Show All~Kem~ ~PMG~
Thank you for the info, I will certainly follow up.
I am especially concerned as this year is "Election Year" in NZ and the dark clouds are billowing over our current progressive government. Look's like we will end up with an other Right wing government when it is all said and done. The leader of this Party was a currency trader for "Merril Lynch" , and has nasty plans to privatize most parts of our state sector including education and health (We're luck this hasnt happend already I suppose). I suspect that he was schooled with Friedmanite\Chicago school ideology, which bode's bad for all in my country. The only hope we have is our system, MMP. (Good check's and balance's)
Wish us luck!
Clubconnecter
-pac
Though the dynasty looks strong right now, I do sense different aspects of weaknesses at different places, but before any outragous claims are made let me live a bit longer in this mess to see and understand more.
Mean while, let me go read a book written by Adam Smith. I really whish I had more incentive to actually learn something instead of only getting a good mark back in my economics class......
And no, Morpheus is not cool in my book ( I hate most movies =P )so out of repect to my respect to you, please dont take on his role...haha
KAHALAB: The thing about flowers in January is that there's plenty of room, time-wise, for a frost or two to show up. Last year my rhodedendrons opened to a display of shocking pink in February and boom, a frost came in, end of flowers for a season. Imagine the bearing on birds and insects? Nature's fundamental RHYTHMS are off-kilter and the mating cycles of birds, bees and related organic kin may not be able to adapt to these unprecedented syncipated signals.
KEM: Here's what I don't get... if there is already this much evidence of melting of both ice caps, why don't we see any sea rise yet? (I am far from disputing global warming, I just wonder why the levels have been conservative thus far. I live maybe 20 feet above sea level near the Florida coast, so naturally this is OF interest to me. I also live a life of pretty solid conservation, apart from the occasional drives which are work-related.)
Google arctic methane gas and scroll down to the article, "Arctic methane gas is a time bomb". There are ("400 gigatons") of methane in the Arctic tundra alone. That's the tip of the melting iceburg.
Fresh water ~BIG_MONEY~? __ Yeah, 90% of all of the fresh water in the entire world, was locked up in the Anarctic ice. However, once that fresh water has joined the ocean's waters, it is no longer what we consider as FRESH potible water.__ Are you nuts? __ You wrote the crazies are not going to arrive and then made a liar out of yourself. __ LOL.
Of course the rising water is actually not the MAJOR probem, it's the methane gas release that is the major concern Big Money.
Doesn't matter how fast they melt. The United States will not take any useful or significant positive action until the water is a foot deep in the basement of the Capitol and the White House. And at that time it really won't matter because it will be too late, way too late, even more so than it already is.
Just last week, a massive rift opened in the Anarctic Ice shelf. That incredible opening is now similar to our Grand Canyon, only much longer and of a far greater depth. That type of openings will greatly enhance the melting, and as the writers of this article state,__ "Large uncertanties remain in predicting Anarctica's future contribution to sea level rise".
Or in simpler terms, it's melting fast and if you live near any coasts, you'd better think about selling out and move to higher ground, or build an ark. We're talking about sea level rises of over 150 feet and it may happen far sooner than any wish to believe.
That is because, as the oceans warm, methane gas, which has been safely locked up in the ocean's floor beds for over 50 billion years, is now being released in a rather frightening manner. The methane contributes far more CO2 into the atmosphere than all of the fossil fuels we burn, by a factor of times several hundred and global warming on a major and very fast scale will become a slam dunk.
There is no other water planet available for us to F##k up, so we'd better start thinking seriously about saving this one. __ Like today.
Kem:
Its still somewhere between a total non-issue and a "lip service" issue. I saw news footage of Hillary campaigning in NJ, and she lists global warming along with her other usual topics. No specific actions proposed, of course. At least she doesn't deny it.
I just saw the article reporting of some 2900 questions during presidential debates there were only 4 about GW, and of all the Sunday Morning network candidate inteviews only 3 or 4 questions in over 2000. There were almost more questions about UFOs.
No presidential candidate can be elected at this time proposing what we really have to do about warming. Its going to have to get worse first. Its already too late for a smooth transition to sustainable GHG balanced energy sources. Sooner or later we're going to have to pick up the pieces.
I'd like to think that, despite the neocon Colonel Blimps in the White House securing Iraq's oil, there is someone somewhere, a future Eisenhower or Marshall, planning the contingencies for shutting down our wasteful carbon economy (or dealing with sudden climate change) without riots and starvation.
This subject is the MOST serious issue humanity has ever faced. Unfortunantly, it does not have the names of Cheney, Bush, Kucinich, Obama, Hillary or Ralph Nader on the title.
If more than twelve readers comment here, I will be very surprised. And if twelve do, two or more will be neo-con shills, writing the global warming problem does not exist, or it is nature, not humanity causing it.
A religious fundamentalist recently commented that, after Noah's flood, God promised that the earth would not again be destroyed by flood. He said that the biblical text should be included as "data" in evaluating climate change and sea level rise.
It's bad enough that ordinary people ignore the horrendous problems facing us and think that live will continue as it is now. It's even more frightening to imagine what will happen if the religious right gain the upper hand and force their views on us.
I am 71. I've lived through some bad times. But I have never been so terrified as I am now. Somedays, it's hard to look at the standard news and even scarier to check sites such as this where the news is real.
I'm 71 too Ruth, where did you go to school?
I had a 48 Buick convertable and lived near a drive-in theatre.
KEM PATRICK
something is definitely wrong (well we know that already)but i believe it's getting faster and faster. here in southern europe we already have blossom on the trees and butterflies flitting around. i don't know if this is the 'norm' for here at this time of the year, but i suspect not. also, a friend in northern spain recently told me the daffodils were in bloom. and i think i read last year at this time it was the same in n.y.c. whatever, it's a big mess and will get messier before it's finished.
RUTHK
people are in denial. it's as simple as that. and until every last one of us on earth realize the severity of the problem, nothing will save us from the catasrophe that will be unleashed upon the planet earth.
KEM PATRICK
"I'm 71 too Ruth, where did you go to school?
I had a 48 Buick convertable and lived near a drive-in theatre."
Indiana, that hot-bed of conservatism. There used to be a sign on one of the highways that read "Welcome to Indiana. Get out of the United Nations".
I didn't have a car until my mid-twenties. Too poor. Went to Indiana University back in the days when tuition was low and jobs were plentiful (but paid next to nothing, especially for women). Those of us with good scores on our entrance exams could pack up everything we owned in a couple of shopping bags and take a Greyhound bus to the university. If you didn't mind working hard and living poorly, you could manage.
I feel really sick right now. I support the Natural Resources Defense Council. We thought that we had saved the whales, the wolves, the arctic wildfile refuge, and the polar bears. That monstrous Bush shugged us off and again changed everything. Sometimes, I think that I've lived too long.
God did promise that ~Ruthie K.~ God later said Earth would be destroyed by fire.
Well, when the ocean's methane "burps", it is a very explosoive gas and any lighting bolt could easily set it off. __ Ka-BOOOOMMMMMM.__ Such an explosion, would make 50 mega-ton hydrogen bombs going off, more like fire crackers in comparrison.
P/S, I see you were never in my Buick. Hang in there granny, and see the fireworks show.
Don't know if that's God's plan, but we sure are insuring it is gonna happen, if we don't get our shit together and do something productive to slow down the global warming.
Kem, I agree that it's sad that people are more inclined to be drawn to itsy-bitsy problems than to this.
As someone who has halved the family's energy consumption twice in the last decade, despite living at 312 feet, I'd like to provide that neo-con shill perspective, as it looks like they're not going to show up...
"Are you nuts? This is fresh water we're talking about here! Way more than enough to provide for everyone's needs. You're probably one of those people who claim that fridges and air conditioners contribute to global warming, too."
Hi~CoCo~ I knew you would be here babe. Thanks for the astute observations. Get ready for the Dodos to arrive.
Don't make assumption Big Money, I'm not one of those who worry about air conditioneng and friges. I do worry about burning coal, and vehicles that run on oil based fuel and only get 30 mpg or less. There are many reasons for global warming and the Greenhouse gas effect on our delicate biosphere. Those most probematic issues are my first concern.
BR-001, good post! __ John Edwards is the only presidential candidate, who has promised to work to promote clean energy and has not supported either coal or nuclear power.
It's crazy how the GW issue has been manipulated out of the MSM by people attacking Al Gore and various hitjobs on the scientific community...DENIALISTs are co-opting the facts and killing us. Damn...
As true fascists, all of us, we are incapable of doing anything except to give in to the irresistible urge to plunge headlong towards the destructive forces of hell.
Whether this is caused in part or not by man is irrelvent.
The United States government should mandate and fund the use of hot-rock geothermal throughout the United States. We have a ridiculous amount of availeable energy of this type for the grid.
Solar should be pursued via tax credit for homes and businesses where they can supplement or replace the grid.
Credits should also be applied to anyone and anycompany or group that makes internal combustion vehicles able to run on at min. 50% hydrogen gas as well as gasoline.
This will do the following:
Kill the push for nuclear power.
break the oil monopoly
solve the emission problem with sole gasoline power
create a free market or should I say a local market for transportation energy.
PURRRR-FECT ~BRONTOBURGER.~
Sorry, Kem, I was trying to be as absurd as possible, but it's hard to parody neo-conese when it's so absurd to start with.
I actually once did the math and wrote a letter to the Mayor scolding him for allowing the electric company to spend $500 million on a new generating plant, when someone could have used the money to buy modern, energy efficient fridges and give them to anyone with a 20-year-old fridge for free, and there would be approximately the same extra capacity in the grid during peak hours as if they'd built the plant. Right away, not in 5 years when the plant is completed. I never heard back.
I've heard that there's CO2 frozen up in there with the methane, so we'll get a whole plethora of bad acceleration when it burps its way on out...
Hi Kem! Flirting with all the gals again as usual. By the way, I think Big Money was trying to be funny. I don't think he was serious because he put his comment in quotes.
Yep, kids, we got trouble right here in River City. And they are going to keep sweeping it under the rug because the oil and coal companies have control of the government and the MSM. Life as we have known it is definitely going to change radically. The only up side to this is that I'm old. Too bad about the kids and grandkids though.......
For one who is known to at times be overly sarcastic, I should have caught it ~Big Money~. Please pardon my senior moment.
Flirting? No way Rebel. ___ I was serious.
Hi all,
I live in an area that is mostly left of center politically, (much to the chagrin of the right wingers as evidenced by their vitriolic responses to articles), and in today's newspaper there was a small article claiming that "researchers" have found that volcanic activity under the western side of Antarctica was causing warming and subsequent melting of the ice shelf. Like the prediction of earthquakes, "they" say this particular volcano has not blown in 2300 years and is due. Hmmmm....Of course neither the researchers nor their groups were identified,...therefore no follow up on the validity of this information can be pursued.
I saw another article, maybe on CD, about that western ice shelf about to drop in, and it's about the size of Texas.
Eee gads!
Besides the rise in sea level inundating coastal regions and submerging small islands, the dilution of saline will kill off many species of fish.
I've heard also that there will be less and less water available for us to drink and use in the future. Making lemonade from lemons should promote the building of desalinization plants....won't help the fish any (unless they can return the extracts to the oceans), but might be a help to the other situation. I visited a US destroyer once and was impressed by the drinking water produced on that ship, as on every Navy ship.
Of course, getting a grip on the environmental factors speeding the melt would be the best focus.
PAX Marianne
...oh, and along the lines of lemonade from lemons...
Methane can be harvested from the melting tundra and used to power auto engines and others. I'm surprised some enterprising energy group has not contacted the Russians about this since they have a massive field of tundra releasing methane in their thaw. The Russian economy could sure use a boost, and we could provide a win-win solution to this specific problem.
Where are the "problem solvers?"
Marianne
Some of the "problem solvers" have assumed that people were given a choice, did the wrong thing, now it's too late to restore the atmosphere as we know it, so they're looking into launching billions of mylar mirrors into orbit to bounce the sun's energy back into space. I have a paranoid theory that a mild nuclear winter is all part of the plan.
I miss the birds ten years ago I filled my feeders once a day now maybe once a week. Guess that's why they used canaries in coal mines.
There is just far, far too much methane to ever use for commercial purpses ~Marianne~. It's bubbling up in huge amounts from the sea beds all around the planet now.
It is not just that enourmous amount frozen in the Arctic's perma-frost. It's named Methane hydrates on the ocean floors and it only requires the water temp to rise a few degrees to enable it to release. There has always been some bubbling out, but not to the degree it currently is now and will progress, if the ocean's water temperatures continue to rise.
54% of Americans believe in creationism.
69% of Americans used to believe Saddam Hussien was involved in 9-11.
40% in 2007 still believed the Saddam myth.
59% of American high school graduates between the ages of 16 and 25 are functionally illiterate, incapable of coping "adequately" with the complex demands of everyday life reports the OECD.
17% of Adults in America are scientifically literate.
Have most of you visited or worked at the top end universities? A large minority and in some cases a majority of professors and students combined are from abroad. Indians, Chinese, Europeans, Canadians,...etc. represent the core of scientific investigation and research in physical and biological sciences in this country. Americans don't do thinking!
The reason this issue isn't covered is because most people, especially people in older less educated generations unfortunately, aren't grounded or even remotely versed in science and empirialism, logic, reason, and probabalistic risk analysis. Think about how most people think, it's through rumor, innuendo, pseudo-facts, where non sequetors flourish like weeds.
This is humanity.
Martin Luther King Jr. said "Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard, solid thinking. There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked solutions. Nothing pains some people more than having to think."
T4, what percentage think that Jeezuz is coming back soon with his flamethrower and whatever the case re what GW is and who's doing it is all part of God's supposed plan?
Huge changes are coming.
Our entire way of life will change--cars, suburban living, where we get our food.
Many folks will pass away unfortunately.
Climate chaos, peaking oil production, rising seas, and extreme weather---and of course, more wars.
But humanity will survive into the 22nd century, but I suspect in more localized communities and further north where lands are still habitable.
Your kids may still fly on a jet plane, but your grandkids won't.
Big_Money:
Probably the same number who believe they will one day win the lottary or go to casinos and believe they, unlike the other guy, will hit BIG MONEY!!
I stayed at Holiday Inn the other day, so it proves I'm really smart.
Well, KEM, they're experimenting here with collecting methane from the landfill and powering some buses with it...saw that in the paper a year ago. Maybe I was dreaming, or I'm being scammed with false information. I guess I just want to believe there are some folks out there who will use their brainpower for good works.
Marianne
Here in Scandinavia we are getting flower buds popping out of the earth right now, in January. I've never seen that before. These used to arrive in April. We've yet to see any snow. To say that the weather is bizarre would be a huge understatement. It's outright freaky. In a way it's nice. Not so cold which makes your daily life easier. But then you think about the consequences on a global level and realize that some snow and flowers popping up in April would be quite alright. It's amazing that the world is still sitting on it's ass about all this. Just shows how addictive greed is when your rich and how paralyzed regular people are. Keep hoping that humanity will wake up, but i don't really believe it. As a species we are truely one fucked up head case.
NeoCON Response:
But KEM,
Just think of all the oil and minerals we could mine when all that ice melts! We'd have enough oil for every American to drive FIVE Hummers. No, we couldn't afford health care or education, but, THINK of all the URANIUM we could open-strip mine out of there letting us build Thousands of Nuke plants in every state.
THEN, we could peg the worthless dollar to Uranium instead of oil and those dumb common citizens who voted for us would experience a Four-fold increase in Utilities (since the Rothschild's banks and the Royal Family along with the One Percent Club here in the states would monopolize all fuel on the planet!)
Just Think, The Banks would have enough to lend out the capital for several world wars!
You think I'm kidding?
This may be real. Read Paul M's link from yesterday. If you can get through all the powerpoint slideshow links on the left, it's clear the Rothschilds have been getting us into fake wars for a long time. If you can't, suffice to say, these bankers were involved in the assasination attempts of several U.S. presidents. Getting us all killed in Global Warming is O.K. with them as long as they make a short-term profit. Caution, it's a hateful site, but if you get through it all, it becomes clear most of our great presidents Jackson, Lincoln, T.R. have had great problems having THREE War-Mongering Rothschild FEDERAL BANKS shoved down our throats.
The root of all evil:
http://iamthewitness.com/doc/RothschildsTimeline-filer/frame.htm
does anyone have a link to more detailed information about the methane gas release from the oceans and how they interact with the atomosphere?
But it is nuts....to see different groups of people concerned of different things. Before I came here I was at a New York Times financial forum and there's people shouting about letting capitalism and competition run loose to recover the "economy". Apparently the term "economy" to SOME of them is equivalent to opportunities to make more money and nothing else. they doesnt seem to think about the limited resources this planet has, doesnt think about how horrible effects there will be once "developed countires" develop their consumer industry to the same degree as US's, and the growing human population worldwide....population that will most likely contribute more to consumerism in the future......they live in a small cocoon and is oblivious to the consequences of all the things that made their cocoon lifestyle possible. And the saddest of all, they are also people that held most power.(the whole industrial social/political structure is falwed!) Just to be extrmely pessimistic for now, If you ask me, the fate of human was decided the day tools are developed that enabled a community to have a surplus of food that enabled some poeple to be freed from their basic biological concerns. And screw "professionalism"!!
WELL SAID T4 phage. . .with those facts assuming they are true and they feel right to me, we can be certian that democracy is going to be the shining future for America? The Bush program of "every child left behind" will guarantee another Republican victory next time around but I believe these eight years coming will be the beginning of the end.
There is no stopping what has begun and one does not have to be too intelligent to figure that out. However, the technologists are working on fake trees for the environment working better for C02 sequestration. Wall street is working on a big IPO for it; so don't worry too much about deforestation and the opening of the Alaskan forests.
I should add,
I haven't verified any of this, but I intend to do so with Wikipedia since they are not under control of MSM which these banks directly or indirectly own.
No sane person would let the planet melt unless some other dark force was at work forcing business as usual.
What we have here gentlemen all, is a real Da Vinchi Code
Cheers,
pac
Hi ~Sue~. Only about 6% or so has melted so far, but the melting accelerates daily. The ice caps should not be melting at all, they should be building some. With Earth's present orbit position of our sun, we should be in a mild cooling period. The ice cap's melting could be likened to a coal fired freight train, it starts slowly and takes time to build up steam and speed.
The oceans have risen only an inch or so in the northern and southern hemispheres. Due to the rotation of the planet, the oceans swell more near the equator. There are lots of south Pacific islands where the water has already risen a few feet and many atolls have disappeared beneath the waves. The worst is a ways off. Scientists are not sure of which will come first, dramatic sea level rises, or enormous releases of the methane gas trapped in icy calathrates in the ocean's beds. ?
When the methane releases, global warming will accelerate in a "dramatic fashion" and the ice will then melt much faster, then more methane will "burp" out into the atmosphere. A vicious cycle and nothing to stop it. Just how fast it all happens is partially guess work. In the past year, the scientists were aabsolutely stunned at how much faster the ice caps had melted. It was much worse than ANYONE had predicted.
Uh Oh,
There looks like there's a lot to it. (To War-for-Profit taking precedence over Global Warming)
Read for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschilds
(I hope my links are not screwing up anyone's browser.)
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/app/WsvPageDsp.cfm?id=11892&Lang=eng
Check out the Quikscat animation on this page showing the progression of Arctic ice between Sept 7, 2007 and Jan 4, 2008.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this looks like a major loss of multiyear Arctic ice in last few months…
When 2008 melt season begins, the increase in solar energy being absorbed by the Arctic Ocean will not be negligible.
IMHO, the reason Bush has looted the U.S. treasury is that he is in bed with the European Banks of Europe (and will make a killing with the massive U.S. trillion dollar debt) through the Walker side of his family. As many of you know, the Walkers with Harriman (sp?) have a long history of lending money through central banks to governments who need cash to pay for their wars, including of course, the infamous 1930's and 1940's Germany military buildup, which Prescot Bush (shrub's Senator Grandfather) was investigated for violating the "Trading with the Enemy Act."
Some of you may have trouble bridging the gap between Skull and Bones maneuvers like these and the need for these families to keep burning oil to stay flush with cash. This is the prime reason no alternative energy was allowed to be developed for the last Thirty years. This is the reason the poles are melting and nobody can do anything to stop it.
For me, the connections are becoming very clear. The plot Thickens as they say.
pac
~Marianne~ Indeed methane gas piped out of garbage dumps is used for power plants. It is not olny a good surce of energy, it prevents underground fires in garbage dumps. Staten Island is one good example, but there is absolutely not enough people and or equipment on this planet, to contain the methane gas which is located in the soil on the ocean's floors.
For an analogy: Imagine if you had a 55 gallon drum of gasoline and you personally had to use it all in your vehicle in 30 days. You could do that. But what if you had to use all of the gasoline in a tank the size of lake Erie in 30 days? It's that big of a difference. I also do not know, what effect burning the methane would have on the atmosphere. I don't imagine it would help at all.
~BINNN~ For the best reference, google Arctic methane gas. There are severalexcellent articles, some of course are way outdated and some are written by government sources. I'd ignore those. The government agencies ignore the problem or attempt to deny it.
I guess two to three years when the weeping and wailing will commense.
I think we will all be saved by a shouting man in a white robe with a big beard who comes out of the sky with a giant flamethrower in a blood rage and smites thine enemies!
Also, I do not believe in erosion! Therefore I shall be saved! So sayeth the Lord!
The melting off of the Arctic ice will signal the beginning of the end.
~Heavyrunner~ Erosion??? __ Help!__ I don't want to believe in it either then. What erosion?
Did you mean erection?
Siouxrose,
Also part of the issue re: lack of substantial rises in sea levels is the fact that much of the ice that has melted has been sea ice, which doesn't cause a rise as it melts. The s--t will really hit the fan when it's the land-based ice melting, but by then we'll have a lot more crazy things happening to worry about, most likely.
Hi TWY, good point. Have you read my e-mails?