Nguyen Van Tu asks if I'm serious. Am I really willing to tell his story -- to tell the story of the Vietnamese who live in this rural corner of the Mekong Delta? Almost 40 years after guerrilla fighters in his country threw the limits of U.S. military power into stark relief -- during the 1968 Tet Offensive -- we sit in his rustic home, built of wood and thatch with an earthen floor, and speak of two hallmarks of that power: ignorance and lack of accountability. As awkward chicks scurry past my feet, I have the sickening feeling that, in decades to come, far too many Iraqis and Afghans will have similar stories to tell. Similar memories of American troops. Similar accounts of air strikes and artillery bombardments. Nightmare knowledge of what "America" means to far too many outside the United States.
"Do you really want to publicize this thing," Nguyen asks. "Do you really dare tell everyone about all the losses and sufferings of the Vietnamese people here?" I assure this well-weathered 60-year old grandfather that that's just why I've come to Vietnam for the third time in three years. I tell him I have every intention of reporting what he's told me -- decades-old memories of daily artillery shelling, of near constant air attacks, of farming families forced to live in their fields because of the constant bombardment of their homes, of women and children killed by bombs, of going hungry because U.S. troops and allied South Vietnamese forces confiscated their rice, lest it be used to feed guerrillas.
After hearing of the many horrors he endured, I hesitantly ask him about the greatest hardship he lived through during what's appropriately known here as the American War. I expect him to mention his brother, a simple farmer shot dead by America's South Vietnamese allies in the early years of the war, when the United States was engaged primarily in an "advisory" role. Or his father who was killed just after the war, while tending his garden, when an M-79 round -- a 40 mm shell fired from a single-shot grenade launcher -- buried in the soil, exploded. Or that afternoon in 1971 when he heard outgoing artillery being fired and warned his family to scramble for their bunker by shouting, "Shelling, shelling!" They made it to safety. He didn't. The 105 mm artillery shell that landed near him ripped off most of his right leg.
But he didn't name any of these tragedies.
"During the war, the greatest difficulty was a lack of freedom," he tells me. "We had no freedom."
A Simple Request
Elsewhere in the Mekong Delta, Pham Van Chap, a solidly-built 52 year-old with jet black hair tells a similar story. His was a farming family, but the lands they worked and lived on were regularly blasted by U.S. ordnance. "During the ten years of the war, there was serious bombing and shelling in this region -- two to three times a day," he recalls while sitting in front of his home, a one-story house surrounded by animal pens in a bucolic setting deep in the Delta countryside. "So many houses and trees were destroyed. There were so many bomb craters around here."
In January 1973, the first month of the last year U.S. troops fought in Vietnam, Pham heard the ubiquitous sound of artillery and started to run to safety. It was too late. A 105 mm shell slammed into the earth four meters in front of him, propelling razor-sharp shrapnel into both legs. When he awoke in the hospital, one leg was gone from the thigh down. After 40 days in the hospital, he was sent home, but he didn't get his first prosthetic leg until the 1990s. His new replacement is now eight years old and a far cry from the advanced, computerized prosthetics and carbon fiber and titanium artificial legs that wounded U.S. veterans of America's latest wars get. His wooden prosthetic instead resembles a table leg with a hoof at the bottom. "It has not been easy for me without my leg," he confides.
When I ask if there are any questions he'd like to ask me or anything he'd like to say to Americans, he has a quick response. He doesn't ask for money for his pain and suffering. Nor for compensation for living his adult life without a leg. Nor vengeance, that all-American urge, in the words of George W. Bush to "kick some ass." Not even an apology. His request is entirely too reasonable. He simply asks for a new leg. Nothing more.
Ignorance Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry
I ask Nguyen Van Tu the same thing. And it turns out he has a question of his own: "Americans caused many losses and much suffering for the Vietnamese during the war, do Americans now feel remorse?" I wish I could answer "yes." Instead, I tell him that most Americans are totally ignorant of the pain of the Vietnamese people, and then I think to myself, as I glance at the ample pile of tiny, local potatoes on his floor, about widespread American indifference to civilians killed, maimed, or suffering in other ways in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Even those Vietnamese who didn't lose a limb -- or a loved one -- carry memories of years of anguish, grief, and terror from the American War. The fall-out here is still palpable. The elderly woman who tells me how her home was destroyed by an incendiary bomb. The people who speak of utter devastation -- of villages laid waste by shelling and bombing, of gardens and orchards decimated by chemical defoliants. The older woman who, with trepidation, peeks into a home where I'm interviewing -- she hasn't seen a Caucasian since the war -- and is visibly unnerved by the memories I conjure up. Another begins trembling upon hearing that the Americans have arrived again, fearing she might be taken away, as her son was almost 40 years earlier. The people with memories of heavily armed American patrols disrupting their lives, searching their homes, killing their livestock. The people for whom English was only one phrase, the one they all seem to remember: "VC, VC" -- slang for the pejorative term "Viet Cong"; and those who recall model names and official designations of U.S. weaponry of the era -- from bombs to rifles -- as intimately as Americans today know their sports and celebrities.
I wish I could tell Nguyen Van Tu that most Americans know something of his country's torture and torment during the war. I wish I could tell him that most Americans care. I wish I could tell him that Americans feel true remorse for the terror visited upon the Vietnamese in their name, or that an apology is forthcoming and reparations on their way. But then I'd be lying. Mercifully, he doesn't quiz me as I've quizzed him for the better part of an hour. He doesn't ask how Americans can be so ignorant or hard-hearted, how they could allow their country to repeatedly invade other nations and leave them littered with corpses and filled with shattered families, lives, and dreams. Instead he answers calmly and methodically:
"I have two things to say. First, there have been many consequences due to the war and even now the Vietnamese people suffer greatly because of it, so I think that the American government must do something in response -- they caused all of these losses here in Vietnam, so they must take responsibility for that. Secondly, this interview should be an article in the press."
I sit there knowing that the chances of the former are nil. The U.S. government won't do it and the American people don't know, let alone care, enough to make it happen. But for the latter, I tell him I share his sentiments and I'll do my best.
Nguyen Van Tu grasps my hands in thanks as we end the interview. His story is part of a hidden, if not forbidden, history that few in the U.S. know. It's a story that was written in blood in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos during the 1960s and 1970s and now is being rewritten in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's a story to which new episodes are added each day that U.S. forces roll armored vehicles down other people's streets, kick down other people's doors, carry out attacks in other people's neighborhoods and occupy other people's countries.
It took nearly 40 years for word of Nguyen Van Tu's hardships at the hands of the United States to filter back to America. Perhaps a few more Americans will feel remorse as a result. But who will come forward to take responsibility for all this suffering? And who will give Pham Van Chap a new leg?
Nick Turse is the associate editor and research director of Tomdispatch.com. He has written for the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Nation, the Village Voice, and regularly for Tomdispatch.com. His first book, The Complex, an exploration of the new military-corporate complex in America, is due out in the American Empire Project series by Metropolitan Books in March 2008.
Photos from these interviews can by viewed by clicking here.
Copyright 2008 Nick Turse
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Show AllThanks Nick for a really great story. Great, awful, shameful too. We really lost a lot more than the war in Vietnam. The U.S. military became an out of control monster, dropping all those bombs, and they continue to act this way now in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I should add, the site is pretty one-sided and makes me suspect it's an Arab site. I tried to find out where it's coming from but my trace network program just said unknown host. It seems to blame every war and bad event in history on the jews. Still, some of it is jaw dropping.
And slide 289 claiming that Kennedy issued executive order 11110 to return to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Rothschild owned Federal Reserve is chilling. Then slide 291 claims that order is rescinded by President Lydon Baines Johnon on Air Force one the same day as the president was assassinated.
No sources though. But it reads like a real horror story.
What do you guys think?
The very astute Paul showed me this site and, although hateful it is worth reading.
Why do we have wars like Vietnam and Iraq?
Who really starts them?
How did our forefathers stop them from even beginning?
Start at #2 of this slideshow by clicking the link on the left and try to make it all the way through. You will have your answers:
http://iamthewitness.com/doc/RothschildsTimeline-filer/frame.htm
WE CAN PREVENT THIS.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
If all Americans had broadband and youtube (which is being blocked by Comcast) replaced network television, they could see the photos of the bloodshed and the documentaries of the cruelty of any military once the Rothschild bankers have decided to incite a war, funding and arming both sides. Bankers are at the root of all our problems. They control everything, including the push to drive up the U.S. military war spending since they are making a killing issuing blood money at the Federal Reserve Bank which they and their co-conspirators own. The next level of sinister behavior is the Military Industrial Complex which is in the business of selling bombs. Lastly, you have puppet politicians like the bushmonkey, although the Walker side of his family financed Nazi Germany, few Americans are aware of these basic facts.
Read Wikipedia and type in Prescott Bush, The Rothschild family, Skull and Bones, and "Operation Cyclone" for starters. When you get done you'll need to get drunk.
But then you can help me begin to educate the millions of fellow Americans who are completely unaware that long drawn out wars against innocent victims are good ways for one percent of the elite population to make unbelievable profits.
The legless war symptoms will never end until we kill the Federal Reserve Bank.
These scum get a cut of every dollar the U.S. prints out. And it becomes US debt that your grandchildren pay the Rothschilds for the rest of their working lives in poor paying jobs.
Economic slavery. Nothing less.
President Andrew Jackson got rid of this nasty Rothschild Federal Bank and they tried to assassinate him. Both pistols of the assassin misfired and Jackson was unharmed. Years later, on his deathbed he was asked what was his greatest accomplishment as president? He replied in a hoarse whisper:
"I KILLED THE BANK!"
Waiting for our government to take responsibility for all this suffering is a waste of time. So how do I go about helping Pham Van Chap to get a new leg?
Many Americans in my age group still feel sad about the atrocities of the Viet Nam war and now we are feeling helpless over this terrible so called war in Iraq. Unfortunately, too many Americans are shielded from the truth,from the many wars that our Goverment has caused. We didn't stop with VIet Nam, but continued massacres in South America, Guatamala, and Afghanistan, and Iraq. Many Americans for good reason are helpless to stop any wars that our Presidents engage in and our media and education is lax in covering the truth, in exposing the lies and imperialism of the United States. Too many of us are struggling just to make enough money to buy groceries, and are sweating over the loss of our homes, and medical coverage. But many of us still feel the pangs of the damage done to many Vietnamese. My generation won't forget, but the youth will be shielded from the truth for years to come.
I would like to thank Nick Turse for writing this report and taking the effort to understand someone else's story. I just spent several days trying to explain why we should understand the struggles of African Americans during MLK day. I grew tired of dealing with narrow-minded people who simply do not want to hear the stories of other people. This report opens my world and helps me to see what things, although negative, that my government has done in my name.
Peace.
"Over the years, we've also marvelled at the foregiveness that they have shown when our vets have gone back to the country and talked with them. Perhaps it's because they are mostly Buddhists and Catholics?"
I totally agree with this .Sometime back I watched ( with deep revulsion and outrage ) a documentary on Agent Orange and its horrific after effects. This documentary carried footage of a Vet who'd returned to visit . This vet is shown holding up a little child ,who was born, totally deformed by the lingering effects of Agent Orange.
What he says next couldn't be more telling . To paraphrase what he said : after 9/11, he was amazed to find dozens of Vietnamese coming forward to offer their heartfelt sympathies . And yet , despite the fact that nearly 3 million of them were killed during the Vietnam War ,not a single word of regret has ever been expressed by any in the American Establishment In contrast the world has never been allowed to forget 9/11 - when just 3000 perished .
Perhaps its a 'cultural' thing . But Asians , in general, seem to have this amazing resilience : they are able to pick themselves up and move on -without continually dwelling on past injustices and outrages.
Adeletheczech: The statistics from unexploded weaponry is indeed horrible, but I wonder how much we all don't know about all the things that have been done. Our schools do not tell us. What you just found out most people will never know.
TOM DISPATCH and one of its most important journalists, Nick Turse, are to be credited with raising the bar on exposing real NEWS. (Nick, if you are reading this, I still refer to "LEGION OF THE FALLEN," it's so important!)
I remember a 60 Minutes story relating to the health effects attributable to Agent Orange. If memory serves me well, Monsanto was one of the builders of that killer chemical that was dropped by the tons over Vietnam. Cancer levels remain astronomical. Similar to the issues we raise in this forum as per genetically modified food stuffs, the chain of proof is obscurred by the modern fact that our diets and lives are inundated by all kinds of chemical fall-out. Thus this compromised climate ultimately serves to grant immunity in that it's almost impossible to isolate ONE cause factor amid a community of trespassers! Monsanto hides behind this aspect. Those interviewed in the 60 Minutes story, like the man asking for a new leg, were seeking financial help for their compromised health conditions. Hiding behind the presumption of innocence, that belonged to a time of more gentlemanly agreements, companies that supplied the chemicals and currently profit from compromising others' lives put the burden of proof on those they trespassed against. The victims do not have the $ to put together the type of research that could build cases "beyond a reasonable doubt" that would secure for them any remotely fair compensation. And so no justice is served. Meanwhile, Monsanto is on to the next profit-from-loss as it sprays another poisonous defoliant over Columbia and portions of S. America as part of the inane and equally uneffective "war on drugs."
These types of companies that get away with murder remind me again and again of why I believe in karma. Incidentally, so do many of the Vietnamese and that topic came up in the interview. It gives those who now go about with lost limbs or deteriorating health the capacity to forgive.
hi, AdeleTheCzech,
I got the data from the international campaign to ban landmines (www.icbl.org):
The total number of mine/UXO casualties (in Vietnam) is not known. The latest available nationwide statistics released by the Ministry of Labor, Invalids and Social Affairs in December 2000, report 38,849 people killed and 65,852 injured since 1975.
The total number of landmine/UXO casualties in Laos is not known. Between 1999 and 2005, there were at least 902 casualties (263 killed, 639 injured).[109] The 1997 HI survey recorded detailed interview data for 10,649 casualties (5,495 killed, 5,154 injured) between 1973 and 1996. The majority of incidents were caused by UXO; however, landmine casualties were recorded in every province and accounted for 11 percent of reported incidents.
Regarding Cambodia: As of June 2005, the CMVIS database contained records on 66,611 mine/UXO casualties since 1979. 20,254 people were killed and 46,357 injured (including 9,850 amputations); 52,027 were civilians.
Poo-tee-weet.
We as a country must be connected to what we do. We will always have vets who can't face Vietnam because it was so horrible, what they saw, what was done by them, to them, to their buddies. The rest of us need to stay connected, simply so the next generation (we're connected, right?) won't do the same hurtful things for the same poorly thought out reasons.
An infamous T-shirt of the Vietnam era read "Kill them all, and let God sort them out." That strategy didn't work. How about next time, God's work must truly be our own?
Dear Nick Turse:
I'm sorry that you believe most of your fellow Americans are greedy, hardhearted and uncaring. Of course, you don't know me because I'm an obscure person who's not even looking for a moment of fame. But I -- and those of us who paid attention after the Vietnam War -- were horrified at the suffering of the Vietnamese people. Over the years, we've also marvelled at the foregiveness that they have shown when our vets have gone back to the country and talked with them. Perhaps it's because they are mostly Buddhists and Catholics?
But Charles Shaw (above) drops a statistical bombshell I've NOT heard before: more local people there killed by unexploded ordnance than total U.S. fatalities in the war? My God!
Thank you Mr Turse for this important story. Some more revealing information: SINCE THE WAR ENDED, the number of Lao, Cambodians and Vietnamese killed by unexploded ordnance and landmines left over from the US attack exceeds US military fatalities during the war. Lets continue to work for reparations on their behalf
"do Americans now feel remorse?""
NO!! now please be quiet...American Idol is coming on in a few minutes!