Thank you, Dennis. Impeach the SOB's (and DOB's), and that should only be the beginning.

But what confuses me (rhetorically) is Pelosi's refusal to take up this issue. It's almost as if she and the rest of the Democratic leadership are afraid that there own complicity will be brought out in an impeachment hearing.

Let's be clear: Bush et al. are not the first to engage in high-level criminality, but they ARE the first to elevate to this magnitude. To uphold the Constitution, Pelosi et al. must impeach. To uphold the statutory law, impeachment must be followed by prosecution. We are compelled to do these things -- it is not a matter of what any one leader deems is "off the table."

Problem is, the NYT may have printed this, but did any other MSM outlet pick it up? Kucinich is getting the silent treatment by the MSM, shut out of the debates, ruled out in advance, and so on. The MSM tells us who is 'electable' and who isn't. Either they are effective, or the electoral process is rigged--I'm not sure which... but I would agree, vote for Kucinich in the primaries.

I am heading that way too. If every person in this country simply voted, but more importantly, actually voted their conscience, as opposed to voting from a place of fear and second bests, Kucinich would win in a landslide!

any more o this, and dennis will secure my vote.
no question.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/story/0,,2239540,00.html

I'm all for voting one's conscience and Dennis is THE man.. but after reading the article in the link I am posting, I wonder why we even bother.

However, Dennis K is the only real human being left in Congress and I applaud his bravery and integrity. May the gods and angels watch over him because he is treading in dangerous waters by throwing a monkey wrench into the works by pressing for impeachment.

The Constitution does not make impeachment an option for the House of Representatives, it mandates it when the President has engaged in criminal acts. Pelosi is ignoring her promised commitment to uphold the constitution, which each elected official pledges to do when they take their oath. The question is "Why?"

Dennis is fighting for his political career, the corporate guns are going after his seat, saturating the media with lies and he has no money to counteract their ads. He is asking for financial support ASAP as the primary is in two weeks. This country is a democracy on the books but in reality a corporate dictatorship. Why hasn't anyone noticed? Why do people still think we're a free country? It takes a lot of courage to speak out if you're going to get tasered. Freedom of speech has been redefined. We can speak out on CD where no one can hear us, but in public, keep your head down. That's what it used to be like in the Soviet Union.

kathyodat

I admire Dennis as he acts more like a Statesman than a politician. His actions have nothing to do with politics. His actions have everything to do with trying to save this country.
Hoa binh

Kucinich remains the only candidate with the guts to stand up for this country against the cancer that is destroying it. He may be written off and censored by the corporate oligarchy but they can't shut him up.

I agree Twister22 that Kucinich is treading in dangerous waters. He's as outspoken against the war and the MIC as Martin Luther King was and looked what happened to him! But Kucinich is only admired by American intellectuals, which unfortunately make up a very small percentage of the populace. Most voters connect to the dog and pony acts of Obama and Hillary. Substance is not a major issue with most voters, so therefore he doesn't pose a real threat to corporate America as long as they keep him out of the public eye and continue to dismiss him as 'unelectable'.

I sent Dennis a contribution the day he filed impeachment papers against Cheney. I will do the same when he goes after Bush.
He's by far the best man for the job.

The reason Pelosi has said impeachment is off the table is because Hillary told her to. You see, if Bush and Cheney get impeached then they will be replaced by moderate Republicans that a lot of people might be able to stomach after dealing with Bush/Cheney for over 7 years. This would be a huge threat to Hillary's bid for the presidency. It is logical to assume that whatever Republicans succeed Bush/Cheney, they would be chosen to run on the Republican ticket in 2008. Therefore, it was imperative that Nancy--who owes Ms. Hillary a great deal of gratitude for promoting her into the House Speaker position--not encourage any kind of impeachment as not to threaten Hillary's big dream. The biggest influence is Hillary. There is no getting around, despite the fact that virtually no one likes her. Not even ardent feminists, like me. I think it would be as big a sham to have Hillary be the first woman president of the USA as it was to have Condi Rice be the first Black woman Secretary of State. They are all shameless, pathetic people with no real concern for humanity. I say that Dennis Kucinich is the bravest man on this planet right now because he is going up against the most powerfully corrupt government in modern times.

I am not a US citizen but I recently watched Dennis Kucinich on "Democracy Now" where Amy Goodman gave him a chance "to take part" in one of the election debates about financial oversight, foreign investment, campaign finance, how much White House policy is determined by "special interests" not by the will of the people; forcing colleges to tolerate military recruiters on campus (otherwise they get no federal grants)and who would bring all troops home - with no ifs or buts - from Iraq, etc.

He seemed to me very sincere and outspoken, no evading answers, no appeasement-tactics, no sucking up to certain "focus groups"...

I agree with your assessment: he seems to be the only really decent person among the candidates and as far as I can tell he has no obligations or ties to the corporate rulers.... but - paradoxically enough - herein lies the problem, doesn`t it?

Do you think we could all write in Dennis J. Kucinich AND Ron Paul?

Get him DK!!!! Obviously this will not make the front page of the Corporate Media (and we all know it should), but with yesterday's exposure of the 956 lies leading to illegal war that made many of the online Corporate Media pages, maybe the momentum slowly will turn. Of course, Billary, Ocain, and others will try to stifle it. At first I was thinking of voting for Edwards, but I have to throw my support behind DK.

It's also likely that the Democrtaic leadership wants impeachment off the table because they're drooling over the unconstitutional powers the Bush administration has given the executive branch.

What really gets me about this article by the New York Times, is their ending line "Anti-Bush groups have been urging Mr. Kucinich to undertake an
effort to impeach the president." - Anti-Bush groups? This kind of description on who is pushing for Impeachment is manipulative of the truth, once again by the media. I believe those pushing for Impeachment should be described as PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SHREDDING OF THE U.S. CONSTUTION ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT IT ARE PUSHING FOR IMPEACHMENT BECAUSE TO DO LESS PLACES OUR SHATTERED DEMOCRACY AT GREAT PERIL!!! THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INVESTIGATION FOR HIGH CRIMES AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND WAR CRIMES AGAINST OTHER NATIONS AND THEIR PEOPLES. Once again, the times brings light to the matter, and then places it in shallow context of Bush haters. Please!!!

We need more Dennis's in Congress and in the Presidency!
Go Green Dennis! Go Green! Join Cynthia Mckinney and begin to build a viable 3rd party!

"The reason Pelosi has said impeachment is off the table is because Hillary told her to. You see, if Bush and Cheney get impeached then they will be replaced by moderate Republicans that a lot of people might be able to stomach after dealing with Bush/Cheney for over 7 years. This would be a huge threat to Hillary's bid for the presidency."

myoichiama, a very astute remark and one I had not considered. Very plausible.

Dennis Kucinich was interviewed recently by Craig? - I forget exactly. But in that interview Dennis revealed that after the 2004 elections when Democrats gained control of House and Senate (based on ending the war), just two months later the Democrats of both House and Senate had a secret meeeting where they voted to not pursue ending the war or Impeachment -- in direct opposition to the voters mandate to them. Does that shed some light on Pelosi's position?? Well now the list of supporters in Congress is growing, especially as elections are once again nearing, but it's quite telling about their miserable excuses as to why they won't impeach, isn't it? Money, money, money -- oil, oil, oil, power, power, power, hegemony, hegemony, hegemony -- and the Democratic support. And by the way -- Bill Clinton, and then George Bush (U.S. government) supported the war in the Congo so that hundreds of multi-national corporations of many western countries, including the U.S. can profit by raping that country of all its mineral wealth, which is currently claiming teh lives of 45,000 each month, now totaling 4.5 million people.

GO DENNIS---You have my vote every time this year if I have to write it in with a crayon. Just got a call from an Obama fundraiser and gave him an earful of Kucinich. If impeachment is not called for now, what catastrophe and/or crimes do we have to wait for? If Obama is the big open minded uniter, why hasn't he got the guts to mention Kucinich's deliberate exclusion from the corporate infomercials being called debates? Because none of the "big three" want to tarnish themselves with "The Left"----and when they whore themselves to Dubuque, truth is finished as Dennis says, and we're bound to get nothing but more of the same after The Bush Crime Family....GO DENNIS! Stop for NOTHING! And your numbers WILL rise with every primary to come.....

Now is the time to contact your Congressman & demand they support his action!

I agree with Demerara.

The day I read that Cynthia McKinney is going to be the Green Party candidate was the first day in a long time that I heard really good news coming out of America. You know already for sure that the other two parties are going to produce idiots anyway.

Alexnosal, twister22, Dennis is safe until he reaches near the influential leadership role that MLK reached when he was removed or until he is near nomination by the Dems as Bobby Kennedy was when he was eliminated. If Dennis ever got real close to nomination, he would be made a unwilling martyr for our movements--the system would protect itself from major change just like it always has.

Dennis (along with Edwards) has done a great job of educating the Dem front-runners of important issues through the debates and the early electioneering process. While H. Clinton is still a reliable Dem machine candidate, her rhetoric is different and better now compared with a year ago (to what extent her actions would be different is difficult to discern).

Hopefully the next congress will have more than one Cindy Sheehan in it and they can coordinate to get the ball rolling on a lot of issues.

Do we dare to hope?

myoichiama says:
"The reason Pelosi has said impeachment is off the table is because Hillary told her to. You see, if Bush and Cheney get impeached then they will be replaced by moderate Republicans that a lot of people might be able to stomach after dealing with Bush/Cheney for over 7 years. This would be a huge threat to Hillary's bid for the presidency."

But, impechment does not mean removal from office, it is just a censure (slap on the wrist).

Now the media seem to be ignoring not just Kucinich but Edwards.

1) How can the concentration of ownership of our media be reversed? ALL newspapers, radio & TV stations should be locally owned and operated so they would no longer have excessive power to influence both the Congress and public opinion.

2) The League of Women Voters should be begged to take back the presentation and monitoring of candidate debates, and they should be broadcast on public TV.

3) We need public funding of all federal campaigns to free candidates from corporate influence.

4) Maybe members of the Senate who DO understand how much evil the dirty duo can do in their remaining year would be so kind as to force the impeachment issue.

(What evil might we avoid? The "agreement" to protect Iraq (or at least the oil companies to be located there when we get them to sign over their future via a "benchmark") forever comes to mind. It's not be called a "treaty" because then it would require approval by the Senate.)

Great person and heard his wife here last week in the Central Valley, would make a great first lady. DK speaks the truth, which is why networks want his voice silenced and continue to feed us mock Hillary/Barack clash, B Spears, and the GOP retreads. End the occupation, support the troops and bring them home now. The main issue is the Iraq Occupation for 2008.

Dennis Kucinich is the only honest Democrat left in that festering shithole that passes itself off as our government. Godspeed Dennis on your righteous path!

I will not vote for anyone who does NOT support impeachment!

Memo to myoichiama and marsh outlaw:

If impeached by the House, it is a very strong censure. If convicted by the Senate, Bush and Cheney would be replaced according to the Constitutional Amendment rule for succession: The Speaker of the House would become president (now Pelosi) and the new VP would be appointed by the new president, as was Ford by Nixon.

My dream: During the State of the Union Lies, DK leads a team of military officers and soldiers and bush and Cheney are handcuffed and shackled, lead off the chamber floor and imprisoned, awaiting indictment, trial and execution...forget about impeachment. They are guilty of a multitude of crimes against humanity and Mother Earth. It's ALL there! WAKE UP AMERICA and smell the regime. DEMAND JUSTICE! CLEAR YOUR CONSCIENCE! THE TIME IS NOW!

margalo;

The better analogy would be Ford appointing Nelson Rockefeller as his VP after Nixon resigned - an unelected President appointing an unelected VP.

Go, Dennis, Go! You are on the right path and this is why you have secured my vote! You are the moral leadership of this country and anybody who denies that doesn't give a fig for democracy.

And anybody who says a vote for you is a wasted vote is full of horse manure (well, I know, I could use profanity here without fear of censorship, but, hey, this might be a family show, after all!). Vote for Dennis, vote for democracy, vote for America, vote for peace, vote for moral leadership, but for chrissakes, VOTE FOR DENNIS!!!!!!

I wouldn't vote Repub if my life depended on it. All the mainstream Dem candidates look like Repubs to me. My choice is clearly to write in DK for President. For VP, I'm not so sure. I like Ron Paul's guts, but see above. He's a Repub.

And after the selection in November, I'll have a clear conscience. Anyone who accuses me of losing the election for the Dems will be dealt with as they deserve.

Make your choice now. When you do, all this campaigning is revealed for what it is: a very expensive dog and pony show.

Here is part of Chris Hedges recent inteview with Kucinich, in which he talks about the secret vote within Democratic party after 2004 elections, where the Dems gained control of both House and Senate on an end of the war platform (they betrayed that promise -- one month later, the Democrats voted to keep funding the war:

Kucinich: There is no other Democrat who is advocating a not-for-profit system. I am the only one, and I am the only one with a plan and I am the coauthor of the bill and I have been involved in this for years. In 2000 I took this plan to the Democratic Platform Committee with a group of people from California including Gloria Allred, Tom Hayden, Lila Garret. We offered it. But we were asked not to even offer it by the Gore campaign because that it would be a slap in the face to the interests that were helping the campaign. In 2004 I offered the same proposal to the platform committee and it was rejected again. Now, if there is any issue that the Democratic Party could establish itself on, in the same way FDR established the Democratic Party with the New Deal, the Democratic Party as a party could reestablish as a party of workers and small business in a single stroke by standing firmly as a party for single-payer, not-for-profit health care. The party refuses to do it. There are 83 members of the House that have signed onto the bill HR 676, but the fact that the Congress ... I was the coauthor of the bill. ... Here again this is one of those areas as president my positions run contrary to the rest of the Democratic field, but also my own party.

Hedges: What about the war? This is what gave the Democrats control again.
Kucinich: No question about it.
Hedges: And yet they have failed. That was their mandate.
Kucinich: Look at this: In October of 2002 the Democrats counseled in a telephone conference with our leaders in which we were told that the election of 2006 was about three things: Iraq, Iraq and Iraq. The ads attacking Republicans were replete with references to the war and the Democrats sensed from the polls indicating a shift in public opinion against the war, campaigned against the war, elected House and Senate because of the war, and yet it wasn't one month after that victory was achieved because of the war that the Democrats gathered in a conference and declared that as a party we were going to continue to fund the war.
Hedges: Why?
Kucinich: The ostensible reason given was to support our troops, which is so transparent a dodge that it borders on the obscene. I walked out of that meeting and knew I had to run for president again. I knew it.
Hedges: When was that meeting?
Kucinich: The second week of December, maybe the 6th or the 8th, somewhere in there.
Hedges: To what do you attribute this decision? It has to be counterproductive to Democratic interests.
Kucinich: I think there has been a serious loss of confidence in the Democratic Party over the last year. It has been interpreted as a decline of confidence in Congress, but in truth, since the Democrats took control of Congress, it's a decline of confidence in the Democratic Party itself.
Hedges: Why did they lose their nerve?
Kucinich: One of the things you have to remember, and this is where ... I don't think anyone has done this research ... but it is my impression that the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the Democratic primaries in 2006 more often than not opted to support candidates who were either neutral or supported the war. You have two waves here. You have the primary, of going for candidates who were either neutral or supported the war. Most of them won their primaries. And then you had the next wave, which was an anti-war wave. ... The paradox was that a Democratic Congress was elected that was less congenial to ending the war than the Congress before it. Most people don't understand that. How that could happen? Now, that doesn't mean, however, that the leaders would have to follow that direction. The leaders could say, "Look, we are going in a new direction." You have to remember what happened to the Democrats in 2002. It was Dick Gephardt who stood next to George Bush and gave him the OK for war. Most people thought the Democrats OK'd the war. Well, in the House they didn't. Two-thirds of the Democrats in the House voted against the war. I know because I led the effort. In the Senate they could have stopped it because they controlled the Senate. They didn't do it. You had Edwards and Clinton in the Senate at the time and Biden and Dodd. Any one of them could have held up the war. They didn't do it. They all went in with it.

Nancy H,
I think you should send your rant to the NYT, well said!

Democratic voters have to ask themselves.

What have Hillary or Obama done in standing up to Bush and his Policies, besides whining and complaining?

The two have shown absolutely no Senate leadership whatsoever. What makes anyone think they can lead the Executive Branch, and simultaniously wield influence on the House PLUS the Senate?

They, like Bush, can't take responsibilty for anything. It's always someone elses fault, there's always a scapegoat, it's always blaming something else.

That will be why we'll never leave Iraq - at least thats what they will say publically. Hillary or Obama in 2008-2017 is a vote for Permanent Presence in Iraq, so throw that issue out the window. They Will withdraw like 10-20,000 troops, which will really just take us back to pre-surge levels 2003-2006 130,000K. Still want to build that massive base, the massive airfields, and the large "embassy."

And that's what we should be most concerned with. A fake democratic administration, drawing down an insignificant number of troops, and democrat voters erroniously hailing it as a victory, or move in the right direction despite the fact that massive numbers will remain in Iraq permanently. And they'll be full of excuses, I can hear them already... "Well, if Bush hadn't done such a poor job." "Well, thanks to Bush we can't really leave." "Well we need to leave some (hundreds of thousands) troops because terrorists might takeover." "Well, if it was a republican administration, we would also have 130K+ troops in Iraq." "At least the democrats are trying." "At least it's not Bush." Wrong attitude.

Quite pathetic if you put in out there and listen to it. Do you want another 4 years of the government making excuses, pretending to be on your side? Also, who wants to see democratic voters under the great illusion that things have changed, when they in fact have not changed at all - and couple that with the fact that they will stubbornly insist things are getting better?

Iraq,
Iran,
War on Terror,
Health Care,
Health Insurance,
Energy "Independance,"
Economy/costs of living,
White Collar and Corperate crime,
Civil Liberties & Free Speech,
Domestic Spying,
Domestic Harassment,
Torture,
State Information and Media control,
and ultimately NO accountability NOR responsibility.

If any of the afforementioned issues are important to you, voting for Hillary or Obama it essentially voting for no change, and rather to continue the same policies of the Bush admin.

Despite all the cries "Well Bush is out, that's a step in the right direction."

You can delude yourself for the next 4-8 years if you want. Your choice.

Dennis is the bravest of all the candidates; willing to against all odds stand up for impeachment. Now if only the people who believe in what he is doing would be brave enough to support him with their dollars and their votes. This "yeah I like what he says but, he isn't electable" thing is way old. How do people think he might become electable? If the boomers don't step up and do it the opportunity may not return. The evil tide of corporate domination must be stemmed. Vote for Dennis. Support impeachment of Bush and Chaney now. Talk it up with your neighbors, email all your friends, contact your senators and representatives telling them to support the Kucinich proposal and Dennis in the primary.

LadyBug,

Point taken, sent comment to NYT Editor.

Yes, by all means, impeach Bush and Cheney, armchair militarists, murderers, torturers, enemies of the Constitution, traitors, outers of a CIA operative, corporate-welfare donors, socialists for the rich...

And then send them to The Hague for crimes against humanity.

Kucinich is the last human being left in Congress. He is the mensch to vote for.

All the other ones could pretty much be replaced by computers programmed by the corporations and the armament industry.

Look at Dennis fight against his own party in pursuit of justice.

Tell me, why do any of you alleged liberals who frequest this site vote for democrats?

Really, why?

whatfools, you said: Do you think we could all write in Dennis J. Kucinich AND Ron Paul?

It's a shame that such a thing seems so unlikely. The distance between them is way less then the distance from them to the band of front-runnin' criminals on either site. Any point of compromise between the two of them would be so much better than any other choice that's being offered up.

I'd love to see them hook up as an independant ticket. Or form some new party with some name that means "the not-out-to-get-you" party. Anything to get their words and ideas into people's living rooms. The Odd Couple Party.

Dennis is great when he gets pissed...a fantastic congressman.

If he keeps it up he will get re elected and the world needs him in congress ... Forever!

As the radical who is gettin tough js just as important as runnin for president. We are lucky he is still with us.

I think Liberals vote for Dems because of guys like Dennis.

Come to think of it, a third party now would really be only the second party.

wouldnt you love a Kucinich/Mckinney ticket?!
I know i would. Wouldnt you love the entire Bush Crime Family in front of a f**ing squad?

Back in reality, neither of those things are going to happen.
I said it yesterday on another thread and I'll say it here, GWB could walk out of the White House onto PA avenue and shoot anybody he wanted with hundreds of eye witnesses, and not a damn thing would become of it.
Lets face it people,theres a now famous Boston Globe article entitled "Over 750 laws Broken" and counting. It lists over 750 constitutional laws violated by Bush et al, guess what nothing is ever going to be done about it.
And for all of you "conspiracy theorists" out there, you know althat talk about illuminati and shadow governments? Who do you think that they have been referring to? Its been the Bush Crime Family for nearly a century pulling all the strings. Thats why they aint held accountable for nothing people.

Here is a little proof that corporate media's attempt to keep Dennis Kucinich out of the race (and others like him), is working.

Last night my mother and I were on the phone long distance and found ourselves discussing the US presidential election and more specifically the war of words between the leading Democratic candidates.

My mother, 67, retired but with an interest in US politics because she lived there as a teen and still has family down there (we're Canadians) was aware of John Edwards but had never herd of Dennis Kucinich!

She knew all the details about Bill, excuse me I meant Hillary and Obama, and McCain

If the media truly covered the NEWS they would be all over DK because what he has to say IS NEWS WORTHY!

Imagine, a candidate talking about the forbidden topics, you know, impeachment and stuff like that.

Debating whether Bill is blacker than Obama is a deversion - race or racism - instead of the real issues - illeagle accupations - oil wars, etc.

How many candidates (all parties, opps, I mean both parties) are currently talking ABOUT IMMEDIATELY leaving Iraq? (maybe a multinational UN peace keeping force paid for by US)

How many will immediately usher in universal public health care? (which we are barely hanging onto in Canada because we have lyers and greedy people up here too)

How many candidates acknowlege that the same people who own the media stand to gain the most by maintaining the status quo of a military complex that sucks the life blood out of your nation to build..... more WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?

Everyone who is on board with this stellar effort needs to find ways to at least help keep this couragious American patriot in the House of Representatives. On Jan 22 he announced that he is running for re-election in the House, and the slime machine is revving up to sock it to him on that front, also. Even if you have contributed the maximum amount to his presidential campaign you are still allowed to contribute to his House campaign. Go to www.kucinich.us to find out more.

If you are serious about impeachment--and we all should be DEADLY serious about it--then we should all be calling our congressperson's office frequently to ask if the congressperson has signed on yet to Kucinich's and Wexler's efforts. My congressman--Markey --is having a meeting on Feb 3rd at which many of us will show up demanding that he fulfil constitutional duty to impeach Bush/Cheney.

If we support Kucinich, we have to put our money where our mouths are! He can't get his message out, or even get re-elected, without funds for basic operating expenses. And like it or not, the MSM measure his "importance" by the amount of money sent to him, which in turn influences Party operatives. I've donated three times so far. Don't wait until it's too late---he needs money NOW. Please vote with your wallet, NOW!