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Racism in 'Post-Racial' America
I am shocked by the commentary on the prominence of race as a theme in the Democratic Party primaries. Shocked not because race is a theme but because so many in the media seem to think that race would not be or should not be mentioned. It is as if we think that not speaking about race is the equivalent of making progress on race issues.
The only thing more amusing than the use of a new term, "post-racial," to describe the positive response to Barack Obama's campaign is the lamentation at the loss of "post-raciality."
This entire narrative is a media-concocted fiction. America is decidedly not "post-racial." One need only observe the prosecution of the Duke University lacrosse team or the Jena Six, the debate about race-based affirmative action and the atrocity that was and is Hurricane Katrina to know that racial issues are still with us. The desire that the subject of race be set aside in the current "post-racial" political conversation shows that society is unwilling to openly face its worst fear: Not only could a black man ably lead this nation, but the mere fact of a black president would force both the majority and minority populations to reset our parameters for normality.
Some (perhaps many) white Americans don't think it's normal for a black person to be successful; their stereotypes can't accommodate the fact of a black person having gone to Harvard and achieved some prominence. As an African American writer, I am reminded of this each time I finish a reading, when without fail a white person overzealously praises my speaking ability. The most recent version of this was a 15-year-old high school student who was amazed that I had actually attended college.
Also telling is Obama's initial lack of support in the black community, which may have been a result of an African American unwillingness to see him as representative of traditional (very different from stereotypical) black America. The majority of Americans are comfortable accepting successful blacks in stereotypically prescribed fields such as entertainment or sports, where blacks are expected to be physically and emotionally strong and yet largely politically mute. When a black person becomes successful in another field, he or she becomes a "surprise" to the majority and is subsequently stripped of color.
How many times have you heard a white person say that he or she thinks of Obama not as a black man but as a man, or of Oprah not as a black woman but as just, well, Oprah? I have lost count. This well-meaning, praise-expectant affirmation of colorblindness may seem like progress, but it's really indicative of having avoided the central issue: Someone who looks different (read black) could be just as qualified, just as deserving as a "normal" person (read white).
The in-your-face, un-stereotypical blackness of Obama therefore forces all of us to question our ideas of race and racial progress in a way that makes us work. This type of work is difficult and scary, and it's understandable why some would rather delay the discussion or label it unnecessary and unproductive. But having this discussion will allow us to grow stronger as a country.
Obama's presence forces us to ask whether it is reasonable to call a biracial man black; whether definitions of race designed to benefit slave-owners are still necessary and valid in 2008. His openness about past drug use could put front and center the debate about the patently racist sentencing guidelines our "post-racial" society employs to punish narcotics-related offenses.
In general, Barack Hussein Obama brings us face to face with the discomfort our society feels with this idea of difference. Indeed, fascination with Obama's name recalls studies that show how hard it is for those with unique African American names to find employment. And it is interesting that no one has mentioned an obvious reason for the Obama campaign's initial reluctance to attack Hillary Rodham Clinton -- that it might conjure up the age-old assumption that aggressive young black men are a menace to older white women. (If that statement offends you, I'm sure plenty of young black men like myself can tell you about older white women crossing the street to avoid us in our "post-racial" society.)
Even if we were to confront head-on these and other questions surrounding race, we are unlikely to grow into the "post-racial" modifier some of us so crave. That's because the idea of "post-raciality" is a total fallacy. Should Obama become president, he will not suddenly cease to be black, nor will white Americans be any less white. However, Obama's continual presence in our newspapers, on television and in our national consciousness would force us to reconsider just what these colors mean. A President Obama (or any other black president) would bring us face to face with the threatening idea that colorblindness and equality are not the same, and that real progress on racial issues means respect for, and not avoidance of, difference.
Our racial past and future is something that we Americans must address. Thanks to Obama, there is no better time than now.
Uzodinma Iweala is the author of "Beasts of No Nation," a novel about child soldiers in Africa.
Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times



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Show AllOh well - I think she was having fun, or maybe not. The "you gringoes are just 300 million identical shit bags that all deserve to die" seemed to warrant some kind of response, or not.
If Barack Obama is the nominee, racism will play a large part in the general election, just as gender will play a role in a Clinton nomination.
EDWARDS '08
African Americans of the older generation worship blindly the Clintons despite their use of race against Obama. The Clintons are also cynically pitting latinos against Obama and when necessary are playing the gender card against him as well. This primary election has reminded many people why they despise the Clintons and their scum politics.
The Clintons are loyal only to the Clintons, not the blacks, not the Democratic Party, not to you and not to me.
Just as they actively campaigned for independent Joe Liebermann against Democrat Ned Lamont in Connecticut in 2006, and are slandering Obama, the Clintons will sell you down the river too.
Yeah, well, Obama campaigned for Lieberman also.
Vote for Cynthia McKinney!
Curiously, at this moment, it is black Democratic voters who are privileged to set the momentum tone for the whole country in Saturday's South Carolina primary.
They either WILL advance Barack Obama by an impressive margin for the rest of us to follow on Super Tuesday, or they'll defer to the idea of keeping white people
(Hill and Bill) in charge. I can't predict it, and after NH, we needn't necessarily believe the polls.
But I do know that certain black people in South Carolina at this moment hold in their hands a very big key to what direction we may be going.
I'm white, female, and will vote for Obama this Saturday in SC; oh am I tired of all the analysis. I just won't stay with my demographic. I agree with those who say Hil and Bill are cynically manipulating all the race and gender issues; that's the basis of my vote; on "the issues" and "to my soul" I'm for Edwards. But, yes, it does seem to be up to SC to stop Hillary.
This is a well-stated analysis of the reality of Race in America today, particularly as expressed in Obama's candidacy. This is certainly the kind of candor needed to address Race in a social dialogue.
The problem with talking about Race in the Obama campaign is that Obama has to be the unique choice of a plurality of all voters in the next few Democratic primaries, over Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, or anybody else.
Most voters aren't Black. Obama already has the Black vote, but it isn't enough. He needs White people to vote for him (he isn't getting many Hispanics, either).
As soon as you interject race into the discussion, you make Obama the Black candidate, and why should White people vote for the Black candidate? Maybe because he's the best for the job, but not necessarily just because he's Black.
As Obama himself said, it's a trick to get voters to vote against their interests. If I am told this election is about the interests of Black people, I have to answer whether I'm interested in voting for the interests of Black people. While many Whites would be willing to do so, a good fraction will choose not to, especially when they believe it is equally legitimate to support Edwards or Clinton, and especially when they believe it is equally legitimate to vote for the interests of women.
Obama is in fact half White. He was raised in a White family. He has had to live as a Black man in America.
By raising Race as an issue, Clinton managed to stall Obama's surge. A threat to older White women? He's certainly been a threat to Hillary.
Obama does not want to run as the Black candidate. He does not want to President of Black America. He wants to be President of the United States of America. But Clinton has managed to stall his surge by forcing him to wear blackface. It's dirty politics.
RE: - It's always ALL about race.
It is always about inequality - it is just that race is one of the major ways that inequality manifests itself.
It boils down to which of the three major Dem candidates are most apt to fight against inequality - especially when inequality leads to poverty.
The health insurance lobby, the drug lobby, the oil lobby and even the NRA lobby doesn't care about what is best for those most vulnerable any more than the sub-prime lenders did.
RE: - The Clintons are loyal only to the Clintons, not the blacks, not the Democratic Party, not to you and not to me.
Would you say the same thing about either Obama or Edwards?
Come to think of it, Obama did not get a letter from Martin Luther King's son telling him to stay in the race. I don't think Clinton did either. Edwards did.
RE: - Obama campaigned for Lieberman also
Ewe gross! That guy is basically a Repug in Dem drag! Who is Cynthia McKinney?
RE: - By raising Race as an issue, Clinton managed to stall Obama's surge. A threat to older White women? He's certainly been a threat to Hillary.
Neither Obama or Clinton wish to be seen as exploiting race or gender because it will back fire. But there is a big difference between being seen to be doing something and actually doing it.
Every time something anti-woman comes up in the media the backlash benefits Clinton and everytime something racist comes up in the media the backlash benefits Obama - except what he said on January 21, 2008.
Though, to be truthful, one wonders what Obama did learn about his won own at the knee of his maternal grandparents. According to Obama, one might be able to trace one's African American lineage back for over 200 years on both sides all the way through, but if one can't dance then one is automatically excluded from membership in one's own race! I've seen people kicked out of Canadian politics for saying less!
Then again I've heard Repugs saying worse than that on televised debates so America must hold its elected officials to lower standards.
Here and there we are interviewing different Americans as to the Dems race (the one Canadians seem most interested in). Both Kevin Gray and Carol Jenkins said on the CBC that it is a three way race with three strong candidates.
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I just saw Keith Olbermann introduce as a "threat" the following soundbite from Barack Obama: "After I win the nomination, I will GET the people who voted for her... Can she get the people who voted for me?"
Keith The Great Left Hope Olbermann repeated this innuendo twice. Tell me there is no racism here.
Yeah, yeah, its all about race and gender - yawn. Go ahead morons, nominate him. Yawn.
Now, what's it going to be like having another senile hawkish president?
Mariin Luther King Jr., endorsed John Edwards. I didn't see anything racial there. I don't see anything racial about John Edwards either and if we would elect him and keep electing such types, whatever race or gender, we may eventually eradicte racism in America.
I am aware racism does still exist. For example, I couldn't open a bar in Camden, New Jersy and call it Whiteys. Well, __ I could, but I'd better have someone else manage it.
Anyone who participates in the "republican" "democrat" scam is an enemy of world society. And that has nothing to do with race or religion. The current configuration of politics in the U.S.A. is the promotion of the most evil mass murderers in history and anyone who supports that trash is a target.
KEM PATRICK,
You have been saying this all week. "Mariin Luther King Jr., endorsed John Edwards"
Martin Luther King Jr, was assisnated on April 3, 1968, he can't endorse anyone in 2008. You must mean Martin Luther King III.
I have the greatest admiration for Martin Luther King Jr and think he deserves any and every praise. As for Martin Luther King III, I think he and his sister have done nothing to further the cause except to enrich themselves finacialey. As a black person I see no merit in an endorsement of MLK III.
As for the platform of Edwards, his record does not match his retoric. I think anouncing his run for president in New Orleans 9th Parish was shamless.
I should add that I do have an admiration for you. I always enjoy reading your comments.
Consider this future headline: "Attack-Dog Hillary Heals Nation and World." Not Likely.
I find watching Hillary Clinton's baseless attacks against Barack Obama repellent, if unsurprising. It's now clear she'll do and say whatever is necessary to win this election, which is exactly why Obama is running for President: because he wants to change American politics.
Hillary Clinton has lost my respect and my vote, in any election, along with the votes of many other Americans. I'll vote for an honest conservative, or sit out the race, if my only choice is a slippery politician who will lie to my face again. I'm so tired of listening to lying Presidents.
Maybe I should be glad the Clintons are out of integrity, because such behavior can only help the Obama campaign. Still, I hate to watch.
Barack speaks so persuasively and eloquently because he's been writing and saying the same things to anyone who will listen since his college days; nowadays he just has bigger audiences.
If Obama were killed today, he would be mourned as one of our greatest and most beloved American heroes for the priceless vision he came so close to successfully pulling off—the transformation of American politics. Like Dr. King, Obama has served the American people passionately for many years, fighting for the same values, ideals, and goals, and winning many important fights. May he live to fight and win many more.
Barack Obama, like Dr. King, is at great risk for assassination, because an Obama Presidency would completely upset the applecart for all the moneyed insider special interests in America on both sides of the political aisle. And there are some scary white supremacists out there who would kill him just for being presumptuous.
Obama is not only popular, well-organized, politically astute, and brilliant, he is a very viable political candidate, which makes him a huge target for assassination. Historically, America kills her charismatic popular leaders, those few and rare individuals who are brave, talented, and daring enough to actually stick their necks out to serve the people instead of established interests. Obama and his family are incredibly courageous, as courageous as Dr. King and his family were.
What are Obama's odds of just surviving this campaign? Of living through a two-term Presidency? Of just plain living long, and prospering? I, for one, don't intend to wait around to support him until after he's dead. I only hope many more Americans will soon recognize what an unusual and precious political commodity Obama is, and what a rare opportunity we have for real change, if we will come together right now under his capable leadership.
How many Americans once misunderstood or opposed Dr. King, who now wish that they had dropped what they were doing to walk beside him? Well, we've got our chance again.
"Barack Obama Heals Nation and World." Yes, I can see it. And I will hope and work to see it happen.
(Nancy Pace blogs on politics, peace, culture and spirituality at www.epharmony.com).
Oops. Sorry. These old eyes. Bravissimo to Mr. Iweala.
Just one more thing... below is an inspiring letter written by MLK III to John Edwards last week. I received a copy because I am on the Edwards mailing list. Somehow we have to come together for our Common Dreams.
January 20, 2008
The Honorable John R. Edwards
410 Market Street
Suite 400
Chapel Hill, NC 27516
Dear Senator Edwards:
It was good meeting with you yesterday and discussing my father's legacy. On the day when the nation will honor my father, I wanted to follow up with a personal note.
There has been, and will continue to be, a lot of back and forth in the political arena over my father's legacy. It is a commentary on the breadth and depth of his impact that so many people want to claim his legacy. I am concerned that we do not blur the lines and obscure the truth about what he stood for: speaking up for justice for those who have no voice.
I appreciate that on the major issues of health care, the environment, and the economy, you have framed the issues for what they are - a struggle for justice. And, you have almost single-handedly made poverty an issue in this election.
You know as well as anyone that the 37 million people living in poverty have no voice in our system. They don't have lobbyists in Washington and they don't get to go to lunch with members of Congress. Speaking up for them is not politically convenient. But, it is the right thing to do.
I am disturbed by how little attention the topic of economic justice has received during this campaign. I want to challenge all candidates to follow your lead, and speak up loudly and forcefully on the issue of economic justice in America.
From our conversation yesterday, I know this is personal for you. I know you know what it means to come from nothing. I know you know what it means to get the opportunities you need to build a better life. And, I know you know that injustice is alive and well in America, because millions of people will never get the same opportunities you had.
I believe that now, more than ever, we need a leader who wakes up every morning with the knowledge of that injustice in the forefront of their minds, and who knows that when we commit ourselves to a cause as a nation, we can make major strides in our own lifetimes. My father was not driven by an illusory vision of a perfect society. He was driven by the certain knowledge that when people of good faith and strong principles commit to making things better, we can change hearts, we can change minds, and we can change lives.
So, I urge you: keep going. Ignore the pundits, who think this is a horserace, not a fight for justice. My dad was a fighter. As a friend and a believer in my father's words that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, I say to you: keep going. Keep fighting. My father would be proud.
Sincerely,
Martin L. King, III
"If Obama were killed today, he would be mourned as one of our greatest and most beloved American heroes for the priceless vision he came so close to successfully pulling off—the transformation of American politics. "
Oh phuleeeeaaze - if you like Obama fine. But this MYTHOLOGY that he has come down from Mount Olympus to save us all is just WACKO. The right wing scares me because they are unhinged from reality. So is this crap.
I am an Edwards supporter, but object to writing off Obama simply because an African-American cannot win. Edwards does not engage in cheesy politics and neither should his supporters. Edwards has a great program, including a political platform on race, unlike the other candidates.
Lets not cut corners. We must work according to principles and educate on issues. It is still historically important to elect women and African-Americans just because they have been so unfairly excluded. But still program is the most important element. (Look at Ms. Rice, as one example. Who does that benefit?).
So... please criticize candidates when their policies are weak. All of them have lapses, even my man John once in a while. Raise issues. This election has to be about having a stronger, smarter population that cannot be so easily misled. Let us hope that progressive candidates can unite to win and not assassinate each other.
'Silent Racism: How Well-Meaning White People Perpetuate the Racial Divide'
-Barbara Trepagnier,
Professor of Socialogy
Texas State University
San Marcos, TX
Scholarly. lots of case studies, not an easy read for people like me, but it is an absolute must-read, IMOHO.
Book Review says it much better than I could:
Book Description
Vivid and engaging, Silent Racism persuasively demonstrates that silent racism - racism by people who classify themselves as "not racist" - is instrumental in the production of institutional racism. Trepagnier argues that heightened race awareness is more important in changing racial inequality than judging whether individuals are racist. The collective voices and confessions of "non-racist" white women heard in this book help reveal that all individuals harbor some racist thoughts and feelings. Trepagnier uses vivid focus group interviews to argue that the oppositional categories of racist/not racist are outdated. The oppositional categories should be replaced in contemporary thought with a continuum model that more accurately portrays today's racial reality in the United States. A shift to a continuum model can raise the race awareness of well-meaning white people and improve race relations. Offering a fresh approach, Silent Racism is an essential resource for teaching and thinking about racism in the twenty-first century.
You can find more information about Silent Racism on Barbara Trepagnier's website at http://www.silentracism.com/
Disclaimer: I am in no way associated with the author or publisher of this book. I just think that it is an important and maybe overlooked work
~MAGGIE~ Thank you for the correction. I did mean the third Martin Luther King. __ Oops.
Moonraven, please, less preening. I am sure you are very very smart, but remarks drenched in an air of superiority do not help us to think things through. I do not see any suggestions.
We are all trying to figure out what to do in a situation in which we have few options still open and all are problematic one way or another.
We are not totally stupid and some of us have devoted a lot of time, money, sacrificed personal advancement etc. to act on our best understanding of what is right and wrong over many years. Derision is no substitute for helping each other to find the best way to go.
Sorry for the off topic comment but -
It's official, Kucinich is dropping out of the race! He says that he is not endorsing anyone, but he needs to endorse Edwards, and he needs to do it NOW, while it can still make a difference!
If you were a Kucinich supporter, tell him to endorse Edwards NOW!
EDWARDS '08
moonraven - is your name code for raving lunatic?
BIG JOE 31
Proportionately, MOONRAVEN is saner than 99.9999% of USA.
If that is what goes for insane these days, then
we need another 250,000,000 of 'em, right (left?) quick
We're gringos NSPIRE. 99.999999% of the Gringos are insane.
Of course I'm not certain of what a Gringo is, you'll have to go to the Moon bird and see if she will define the word. Wonder if Moon Birds are related to the Dodo or Gooney birds?
I think this discussion thread has now deteriorated from considering the problem of racism (remember that) to giant duelling egos.
Egotistical rants have been distracting people and sapping strength of political movements over past 40+ years. I remember many anti-war or rights events when someone would come and be dead certain that he had ALL the answers and try to dominate the whole discussion with vague yet fiery rhetoric. A lot of times it was a police agent, other times it was just an egomaniac.
Even now, I am being taken off track by responding to this nonsense. I should kick myself!
No don't kick, you are correct. But racial remarks should be addressed.
Yeah we had a neighbor a mile away who had a miserable, whining, barkng female dog. One day they packed up and moved three miles further down the road.
We can still hear that miserable bitch barkng though.
RE: - I find watching Hillary Clinton's baseless attacks against Barack Obama repellent, if unsurprising.
I assure you that Obama gives as good as he gets in that department.
RE: - If Obama were killed today, he would be mourned as one of our greatest and most beloved American heroes for the priceless vision he came so close to successfully pulling off—the transformation of American politics. Like Dr. King,
Dr. King's son wrote a letter in support of John Edwards - you want to read it?
http://www.johnedwards.com/news/20080121-mlk-iii-letter.pdf
Personally, I think that the "illusory vision" comment was a dig directed towards Obama.
The New York Times is supporting Clinton and CNN is supporting Obama. One guest on Newsworld compared Obama to Don Cherry earlier on today. Personally, I think that Don Cherry is at greater risk of being assassinated than Obama.
RE: - Historically, America kills her charismatic popular leaders
I thought Reagan died of natural causes.
RE: - I am an Edwards supporter, but object to writing off Obama simply because an African-American cannot win.
Agree, no one should be written off for race, gender, religion or orientation. I don't see anything wrong with the US having an openly gay president, or a Muslim president or a Native American president - as long as he or she isn't beholden to corporate special interests and a big support reaganomics.
RE: - As for the platform of Edwards, his record does not match his retoric.
What record are you talking about? Edwards has always been a staunch supporter of human dignity.
RE: - racism by people who classify themselves as "not racist"
If humans were perfect enough to be completely devoid of even unintentional racist thought, we would be saints rather than flesh and blood. That said, white people don't own a monopoly on racism, despite how much our ancestors may have benefited from it in the past. EVERYONE is guilty of racism and is, to some minor degree, racist.
I would like to see the day when only the issues matter - because, at the end of the day, only the issues do matter.
RE: - You clueless gringos are going to get the government that you continue to deserve.
Point made.
RE: - You all shit your diapers and whined in reponse.
Of course, that is how you and me got our diapers changed. For the record, my father would change diapers, but he would leave them for my mother to rinse out. For that generation, that was considered "enlightened."
What I wonder is whether Bill or Obama or Edwards changed diapers.
For the record, Moonraven is a pretty name and a raven is a bird known for its intelligence as well has having a reputation for being a bit of a trickster.
Gringo means person with a green card - and is used as a slur against white Americans - much like the "H" word George Jefferson used to use.
nspire - nice picture but my son would demand at least $5.
In today's job market, it is important to have marketable skills.
But this demand-side economics I don't know too much about
I bet Moonraven would give him $250+ to kick me in the head.
How pitiful. She used to write very decent, learing and intelligent blogs. It must be true that the water in Mexico is worse than ours.
And some days you would deserve it. ;)
CNN finally said that the race in SC is wide open.
I personally don't think that they should take it as a slur, I think that they should take it as a compliment! I wonder if its origin has anything to do with Frank Stronach.
In the U.S. south, is 'Canadian' a new racial slur?
"I'd never heard of Canadian being used as a term for a black person or for a racial slur," he said.
"If I had, I would never send that out in an office-wide e-mail that's going to go to people who are going to be offended if they recognize it as such. That would be crazy.... I'm not a racist. I'm not a bigot," Mr. Trent said.
Mark Vinson, who was a chief prosecutor in the Harris County office at the time, said he was puzzled by the reference to Canadians when he got the e-mail but was too busy to give it much thought. Then some colleagues informed him about the slang meaning of Canadian, and he felt crushed.
"So much has been accomplished in terms of equal opportunities, and the office had a super reputation," Mr. Vinson, who is black, told the National Post. "I just couldn't imagine someone in the office who would engage in that conduct."
He said he believes Mr. Trent's assurance that he had simply repeated a term used by the prosecutor on the case, Rob Freyer. Mr. Freyer did not return a message left yesterday.
"I know Mike. We laugh and talk about the [Dallas] Cowboys," Mr. Vinson said. "I truly don't believe that Mike knew what he was saying."
It is unusual that a seasoned attorney like Mr. Trent would not have wondered how a Harris County jury came to be stacked with Canadians. (There were no Canadians on the jury but there were some black members.) "The only way that there could have been Canadians on the jury, was if they were born in Canada and then became U.S. citizens, and then became citizens of the county in which the case was tried," Mr. Vinson noted.
Mr. Trent told Fox News that was not out of the question. "It would not be impossible or unusual for people from other countries to be on our juries," he said. "That's what I was told, and I took it as the literal meaning."
The bigger mystery is how "Canadian" came to be code for black. An online directory of racial slurs defines Canadian as a "masked replacement" for black.
Last August, a blogger in Cincinnati going by the name CincyBlurg reported that a black friend from the southeastern U.S. had recently discovered that she was being called a Canadian. "She told me a story of when she was working in a shop in the South and she overheard some of her customers complaining that they were always waited on by a Canadian at that place. She didn't understand what they were talking about and assumed they must be talking about someone else," the blogger wrote.
"After this happened several times with different patrons, she mentioned it to one of her co-workers. He told her that 'Canadian' was the new derogatory term that racist Southerners were using to describe persons they would have previously referred to [with the N-word.]"
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37f57dea-be6e-4fe1-a925-bd070b6ec808&k=90991
Frank Stronach's daughter was once CNN's political play of the week:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/20/canada/index.html?iref=newssearch
moonraven = moon + raven
moon -> luna -> lunatic
raven -> rave -> raving
raving lunatic - if the shoe fits...
I take it you had a bad time in the states - I'm sorry. I really am. But the world's woes have more causes than the good ol' USA.
The USA's current postion in the world has to do with history - the arc of ascendence and decline that all such political entities go through. The fact that the 20th century was the peak of American industrialism. The fact that we were able to claim the "spoils" of the post WWII era without suffering nearly as much of the trauma as any of the other countries involved.
Now - it could have been different, and you'ld be raving at smoeone else. The problems we all face are a result of culture. Perhaps it specifically Western, European culture, or perhaps its even more generally post-triabl agrarian culture as suggested by Daniel Quinn is "Ishmael". Regardless, its the culture of seeing nature as a "thing" to be exploited any which way we choose without thought of consequence.
If the USA goes away (whcih it isn't, though it may decline) you will still have all the same problems with other actors. I'm not defending anything here - just pointing out that you are mistaken in your identification of root causes.
Rave on, bro'.
Big Joe and Moonraven - you are starting to sound like Clinton and Obama!
On this board, whether you have grade nine or a doctorate, your opinions are all EQUAL here.
Kem, before you respond, ask yourself what Edwards would do in this situation.
Yeah ~Vaudree~, sometimes you and I both need a kick in the head. I do believe if the "Mooney" was kicked there, we'd hear a loud Bonnngggggg before we heard the screeching words, "Gringo asshole"!
What would Edwards do about what? Ask Edwards, I've never known of him to lie.
Kem, I haven't known Edwards to lie either. He also sticks to the issues more than we do instead of being drawn into cat fights. If I heard her right, did Moonraven say she was an Edwards supporter?
Moonraven - about "missing the cut" - female circumcision is illegal in Canada. It is even illegal to send one's daughter out of the country to get one.
On the other hand, male circumcision is seen by Stephen Lewis (Naomi Klein's father-in-law) as a means of combating the AIDs pandemic. I am not sure if Edwards gets into this - I think he is thinking more along the lines of reducing patent length so that one can produce cheaper generic drugs to send over to Africa to help more people survive AIDs than if one just uses the higher price drug company ones.
I am Canadian and proud of it!
Mooney is Nellie McClung's maiden name - Nellie McClung is the reason women have the right to vote.
Mooney is also a term used to describe nut cases.
You are bitter and spew nothing but bile - I apologize for my little jokes. They do no good if there is no sense of humor around. Who is mean-spirited? Perhaps I am, but surely it is not only me.
Full of piss and fury, signifying nothing.
RE: - I wouldn't be caught dead supporting any candidate.
You just lost your say then. Do you think the D---head Cheney's of the world really want people like us to vote!
You have a right to be angry. You are guessing wrong about people a lot, though. Not all of any group is anything.
Hope that Mike Gravel stops the proposed drilling in the Yukon Wildlife reserve that borders Alaska. Even you with your pessimism underestimate the damage that would cause.
Mike Gravel, finally a white person you like!
Kem, I never knew there were cases for them.
Well shit my pants you are right!
You know all, and see all; you are a veritable Buddha in the guise of a dried up putrid old hag who can't say an damn intelligent thing, sent to teach us all! How WONDERFUL!
Now - I'm serious, it is wonderful. You have much to teach us.
Thank you, sir, may I have another?
Oh come on, don't be coy! You're cute when you start to shut down.
Oooooooooohhhh! - thanks again. I thnk I dreamt about you once.
Have a good yawn and scratch your balls?
She's not joking, and it should be responded to. It's like she suddenly developed a mental sickness in the past two or three months. Of course those going insane always deny it, even when they realize it. It frightens them and they get even angrier and more bitter.
Well it's a good trick being able to remove one's last half-dozen postings. How does one do that?