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Wounded Vets Trade One Hell for Another
SAN FRANCISCO - Last year, the United States woke up to the reality of hundreds of thousands of soldiers wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan -- and began to grapple with what to do about it.
On Feb. 18, 2007, a headline titled "Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration at Army's Top Medical Facility" splashed across the front page of one of the nation's premier newspapers, the Washington Post. The article, which described unsafe conditions and substandard care at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre, began with the story of Army Specialist Jeremy Duncan, who was airlifted out of Iraq in February 2006 with a broken neck and a shredded left ear, "nearly dead from blood loss"."Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan's room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold," the article read. "When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses."
The Post reported that patients inside Walter Reed, which lies just five miles from the White House, found it difficult to receive the care they were promised and felt they deserved.
When the story broke, politicians from both parties expressed outrage and promised solutions. Walter Reed's commander, Major General George Weightman, was fired almost immediately. Following him out the door was the Secretary of the Army, Frances Harvey.
On Mar. 6, President George W. Bush announced the formation of a bipartisan independent commission lead by former Republican Senator Bob Dole and Donna Shalala, the secretary of Health and Human Services under the Bill Clinton administration.
"It's unacceptable to me, it's unacceptable to you, it's unacceptable to our country, and it's not going to continue," Bush told the American Legion in a speech announcing the commission's formation. "My decisions have put our kids in harm's way. And I'm concerned about the fact that when they come back they don't get the full treatment they deserve."
Three weeks later, Bush paid a visit to Walter Reed, and apologised again: "I was disturbed by their accounts of what went wrong," Bush told Walter Reed's staff after a tour of the facility. "It is not right to have someone volunteer to wear our uniform and not get the best possible care. I apologise for what they went through, and we're going to fix the problem."
But the allegations raised in the Washington Post were not actually new. In February 2005, the exact same conditions had been raised in a damning series in the on-line magazine Salon. Wounded soldiers at Walter Reed, reporter Mark Benjamin wrote, are "overmedicated, forced to talk about their mothers instead of Iraq, and have to fight for disability pay. Traumatised combat vets say the Army is failing them, and after a year following more than a dozen soldiers at Walter Reed Hospital, I believe them."
Top Bush administration officials knew about Walter Reed's problems, but they had other priorities. Indeed, before the Washington Post put the facility's substandard conditions on its front page, President Bush's appointees at the Pentagon had strenuously lobbied Congress against funding military pensions, health insurance and benefits for widows of retirees. Their argument: that money spent caring for wounded soldiers and their families could be better spent on state-of-the-art military hardware or enticing new recruits to join the force.
In January 2005, Bush's Undersecretary of Defence for Personnel and Readiness David Chu, the official in charge of such things, went so far as to tell the Wall Street Journal veterans' medical care and disability benefits "are hurtful" and "are taking away from the nation's ability to defend itself".
Before the scandal at Walter Reed broke in the Washington Post, the Bush administration ran programmes for injured soldiers in much the same way it did the rest of the war -- primarily for the benefit of an elite group of private contractors.
In 2005, with tens of thousands of casualties already reported, a Pentagon commission recommended closing Walter Reed by 2011. When the commission report became public, the Bush administration moved to privatise the facility for as long as it would remain open, turning management of the hospital over to IAP World Services, a politically well-connected firm with almost no experience in military medicine.
In January 2006, the military awarded a five-year 120-million-dollar contract to Florida-based IAP, which had already faced scrutiny from Congress for unseemly profiteering after Hurricane Katrina. After the levees broke, FEMA ordered the company to deliver 211 million pounds of ice intended to cool food, medicine and sweltering victims of the storm. Instead, IAP had the ice trucked around the country in circles at taxpayers' expense, with much of it ending up in storage 2,500 kilometres away in Maine.
The company's leadership had an even more extensive record of corruption. Before going to work at IAP, company CEO Al Neffgen was a top executive at Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root, where he was responsible for "all work performed by KBR for the U.S. government". That included being hauled before Congressional committees to testify about why the company (which had earlier been run by Vice President Dick Cheney) had overcharged U.S. taxpayers by hundreds of millions of dollars while providing support for U.S. troops in Iraq.
Neffgren wasn't the only well-connected person at IAP. The company's president, the aptly named David Swindle, is also a former executive at Halliburton. One of its directors is Dan Quayle, Bush senior's vice president from 1989-1993.
Employees started to leave Walter Reed before the deal was even finalised, figuring they would lose their jobs anyway. When news of the contract first surfaced in 2005, 300 federal employees provided facilities management services at Walter Reed. That figure had dropped to fewer than 60 by Feb. 3, 2007, the day before IAP took over facilities management. When IAP did take over, the company replaced the remaining 60 employees with 50 private workers.
Inside Walter Reed, alarm bells were sounding. On Sep. 21, 2006, Garrison Commander Peter Garibaldi wrote a letter to the base's commanding general saying privatisation had put "patient care services at risk of mission failure".
"We face the critical issues of retaining skilled personnel for the hospital and diverse professionals for the Garrison, while confronted with increased difficulty in hiring," he wrote.
No one took notice then, and little has been done since to improve care or lessen bureaucracy at Walter Reed or at the Pentagon and the VA's network of hospitals and clinics nationwide. Military hospitals are still short-staffed. Injured soldiers are still left alone for hours, or even days.
In September 2007, a Congressionally mandated report by the non-partisan Government Accountability Office found the Pentagon and VA care for service members suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury was "inadequate" with "significant shortfalls" of doctors, nurses and other caregivers necessary to treat wounded soldiers.
According to the GAO, "46 percent of the Army's returning service members who were eligible to be assigned to a (medical) unit had not been assigned due in part to staffing shortages." Over half of the military's special "Wounded Warrior Transition Units" had staffing shortfalls of more than 50 percent.
Key bases like Fort Lewis in Washington and Fort Carson in Colorado were short massive amounts of doctors, nurses, and squad leaders. In short, the Bush administration was simply not hiring enough doctors and nurses to care for what had become a tidal wave of injured soldiers wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In December, Congress put its solution forward -- folding a Wounded Warrior Bill designed to help disabled veterans into a massive 700-billion-dollar defence bill. But on Dec. 28, President Bush surprised many observers by vetoing the measure. Bush objected to a provision that would allow victims of Saddam Hussein's regime to seek compensation in court.
Congressional Democrats are now checking to see if they have the votes to override Bush's veto. If they don't, they may send the bill back to President Bush with the offending sections removed.
Either way, Veterans for Common Sense's Paul Sullivan says veterans are not likely to see major progress until 2009.
"Some of the problems may be solved in the next year if Congress fights hard but I do believe that the anti-veteran Bush administration does indeed need to go away so that real reform can be brought to the Department of Veterans' Affairs," Sullivan told IPS.
Copyright © 2008 IPS-Inter Press Service.
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It takes less than two minutes to read that entire article.
Seems as if the Bush administration has the same kind of spending priorities as Harper's does. Seems that "support our troops" ends when they come home wounded:
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
Mr. Peter Stoffer (Sackville—Eastern Shore, NDP): Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from the Bloc for pointing out some of the industrial strategy challenges in the province of Quebec. We in the maritime region have the exact same problems.
I want to talk about the direction in which the Conservative government is going.
Sunday was Remembrance Day and we all commemorated and honoured our veterans and those who currently serve in our military. The Conservatives made specific promises to veterans in the last campaign. They said that upon forming government they would immediately extend VIP services to all widows of veterans and to all veterans. They also said that they would compensate and look after all people who were sprayed by defoliants from 1956 to 1984, but they only did it for the years 1966 and 1967. The government has said it does not have money for these people, but it gave $7 billion in additional cuts to big oil companies and big banks, which are making record profits under our current tax system, thanks very much. If it were not for our veterans and their families, we would not have the country we have today.
I would like the member to elaborate on what kind of heartless government would do that to the people who served our country and then turn around and ignore them the day after Remembrance Day.
Thursday, November 29, 2007
Mr. Peter Stoffer (Sackville—Eastern Shore, NDP): Mr. Speaker, in June 2005 the Prime Minister, who at the time was the opposition leader, wrote a letter to a widow of a veteran saying that if his party were in government, it would immediately extend VIP services to all widows and veterans. The budget does not address that aspect—
Friday, November 30, 2007
Mr. Peter Stoffer (Sackville—Eastern Shore, NDP): Mr. Speaker, since we are talking about human rights, let us talk about the rights of veterans.
Yet another group of veterans is proposing to take the government to court to fight over fair compensation and reasonableness in its battle with the government. In 1957 a group of Canadians were sent down to Nevada for atomic testing. These Canadians have been waiting and waiting for fair and proper compensation.
I would like the government to stand up in this place, look into the camera and tell Jim Huntley of Alberta this. When they will receive fair and adequate compensation for what happened to them 50 years ago?
Mr. Peter Stoffer (Sackville—Eastern Shore, NDP): Mr. Speaker, we cannot even get him to blush anymore.
Let us see what the Conservatives track record is. The government promised that it would do a full public inquiry and compensate all the victims of agent orange, the defoliant spray, from 1956 to 1984, not 1966-67. It also promised Joyce Carter the extension of VIP services immediately to all veterans and all widows. It also promised to fix SISIP for injured soldiers who suffer from their mental and physical disabilities, yet nothing.
If this is the track record that the atomic veterans have to face, I feel very sorry for them. Will the government—
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/housechamberbusiness/chambersittings.aspx?Key=2007&View=H&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=39&Ses=2
NOTE: Peter Stoffer is the NDP's Veterans Affairs critic, his parents were living in Holland when Canadians liberated them from the Germans.
If you would go through Hansard with "veteran" in your edit/find I wonder what else you would come across. More and more broken promises and signs of culpability in the undermining of the health of Veterans.
"Why we should support war resisters"
http://www.chycho.com/?q=war_resisters
RE: - Asked if this is how DU causes severe birth defects, Fulk said, "Yes."
Saw the pictures of babies born to service men and to Iraqi civilians. Enough said.
The Repugs will ask if DU is so dangerous why it doesn't cause birth defects 100% of the time. This is their means of denying culpability.
RE: - "When inhaled through the nose, nano-particles can cross the olfactory bulb directly into the brain through the blood brain barrier, where they migrate all through the brain," she wrote. "Many Gulf era soldiers exposed to depleted uranium have been diagnosed with brain tumors, brain damage and impaired thought processes. Uranium can interfere with the mitochondria, which provide energy for the nerve processes, and transmittal of the nerve signal across synapses in the brain.
Depends what one likes to do. If one likes to read and watch political debates, this may affect what one is able to read and how much one can get out of what one watches. If one just likes to watch Funniest Home Video, it should not affect one's pastimes as much.
It will definitely affect one's ability to hold a job, though some may be able to manage if they dumb down their occupational aspirations. Anything that affects thinking inconsistently increases frustration level because sometimes you can and sometimes you can't.
Does DU give one such a toxic overload that it decreases one's ability to metabolize toxins in the future? If so, it does for future exposure to toxins what antabuse does for booze. Antabuse is a drug that prevents one from metabolizing alcohol so that having small sip of beer acts on your body as if you have just drunken a two four.
What is the home remedy which aids the functioning of a damaged mitochondria? Is there one?
How could do that to your own countrymen & women???
DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly, they all volunteered for the Bush/Cheney Regime of murder, mutilation, rape, plunder and conquest for the ruling class who really despise them.
It was uneccessary to begin with. And what about the people and their families in the countries we have invaded?
It's bad enough that the government won't help.
So you give to private charities thinking you are helping wounded vets.
Say the largest; saluteheroes.org
Search it on the Internet, lots of positive PR until you get to the 8th or 9th page and read the Forbes article.
Where is MSM? This right wing organization is tied to swift boat PR firm!!
So its all just talk when pro war establishment says they honor wounded soldiers. They see them as a source of profit. Just look at the prosthetic advancements our imperical adventures produce!
RE: - Sadly, they all volunteered
RE: - "…young American men get their news from sources such as the Fox News Channel, are preyed upon by military recruiters, and are encouraged to sign up by conservative family members.
Where does someone from Vancouver get this idea about American teens? There was a show called Disclosure moderated by Mark Kelley, Wendy Mesley and Diana Swain which had episodes focusing on the recruitment tactics used in the US - and it is hard to argue that the recruiters were being anywhere close to honest. And how do we know about what passes for news on FOX? It is not just what you or I know but what they know and how.
Re Petition
How bad my memory is – seems that I've already signed it
RE: - Add your name to the petition calling for the federal government to make a provision to allow war resisters to stay in Canada. Initial signatories include June Callwood, David Suzuki, Maude Barlow, Shirley Douglas, Naomi Klein, Ann-Marie MacDonald, and many others.
This must have been just before June Callwood died (April 14, 2007). Shirley Douglas, daughter of Tommy Douglas, was kicked out of the US and told never to return for her involvement in the Civil Rights movement, and accused of terrorist activity for her involvement in a food program for poor children. David Suzuki, a third generation Canadian, was put in one of those Japanese intern camps as a child during WWII. What isn't Maude involved in! And we all know Libby! (go straight right of your youtube video, click on her name and you will see her speak- that is Bill Siksay beside her).
RE: - So you give to private charities thinking you are helping wounded vets.
That is sick! You think you are helping wounded soldiers and you end up funding a "Veterans for Bush" or "Veterans for Romney" group! It is like those people who were pretending to raise money for Katrina survivors a few years ago.
NDP calls for changes to military insurance plan
But Landry, slight and soft-spoken, wanted to join several other veterans in Halifax as they criticized the federal government for clawing back their disability payments and leaving many of them on the brink of financial ruin.
"It's not a question of whether we'll go bankrupt next week or next month -- it's every day,'' he said at a news conference. "The first day that you join the military, they tell you that if you get hurt they will take care of you and your family, and that is the biggest lie.''
Under the military insurance plan, injured veterans are entitled to a percentage of their former salaries. But the plan treats monthly pension payments as income and deducts the pension amount from what is paid to former Forces members.
Landry, 33, loses about $1,700 a month in clawbacks and estimates the practice has cost him $40,000 since he began receiving his Veterans Affairs pension after his release in 2005.
Landry, who takes eight pills a day to control panic attacks and other ailments, has joined dozens of other veterans from across the country in a class-action lawsuit against the government to end the controversial clawback.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070718/military_insurance_070718/20070718/
Veterans want Ottawa to pay for hearing aids
Canada's Second World War veterans say the harsh sounds of combat damaged their ears and Ottawa should pay for their hearing aids, but Veterans Affairs argues there is no proven link.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070405/veterans_hearing_070405/20070405/
Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses."
Boy, that's pretty bad when even the cockroaches are dead.
Prosthetic advancement, Uh, like the company that sold defective hip and leg prosthetics knowly and will get supervision intend of criminal liability. You will be glad to know they hired John Ashcroft though the justice department for this and are paying his firm millions of taxpayer dollars. I dunno about the poor people that got defective prosthetics?
The VA medical services were once the best in the country and probably still better than some medical plans but it is being underfunded and sold as chattel.
The Bush Administration argued in court that the VA is responsible for providing services only to the extent that their budget can provide. Not enough money, not enough services. (article Judge allows VA suit to continue- about a week ago)
The AL/VFW suck ups who act as window dressings for Bush and Cheney photo ops need to be called what they are: collaborators with criminals.
Hoa Binh
Bu$h the inferior and his administration are done with these veterans. If they had connections and cash for political contributions, it would be different. Then maybe a photo op could be arranged or for a much bigger contribution a contract could be prepared.
Blackwater may need a new name and front man.
Support our troops!
Impeach "The Dick"! Impeach "The Shrub"!
Ken
Any chance that the so called war vet Falufah O'Rielly could read this?
Or can he read? What a jerk off to go after Edwards and Ed Shultz over the comment made regarding 200,000 homeless vets. We can only hope that the AWOL chimp and 5 deferment dick wind up homeless or better yet in jail with Bubba.
HANG JANE!
What do you expect?
The ruling class don't care about/hate the poor.
Try to get the concept into your skull.
RE: The ruling class don't care about/hate the poor.
One neither cares about nor hates collateral damage. It is just a biproduct of one doing whatever it is one wants to do. The veterans who come back broken are collateral damage. They are no longer of use and so are conveniently discarded.
Yes VAUDREE, there is home remedy. A telephone call.
When the brain tumor develops and often cancer cells then break off and spread to other body organs and set up additional cancer factories, you call Hospice, those human angels will dope the patient up with drugs and they don't suffer as much before they die.
Excuse me, but didn't anyone learn from the experiences of the FIRST GULF WAR vets? Yeah, I've been in those trenches - and hundreds of thousands are royally SCREWED. They raised qualifications for disability because there were too many vets applying for benefits - and they also refused to recognize damage done by DU or those dangerous shot-regimes. Cipro anyone? Maybe you like permanent neurological damage - no choice in the military. And no, children cannot make informed decisions about joining - they are attacked with professionaly-produced advertising that employs state-of-the-art psychological studies to insure kids are bilked into believing that rot. No true conservative would send his kid into such a military - my own father forbade us from joining a fascist military bent on attacking vulnerable nations with egregious acts of aggression damned at Nuremberg. He was there. He saw the Nazis. The rest of my family lived under Nazi occupation. We've seen all of this before - it was wrong then, and it's wrong now. But you have to reach (and save) the vulnerable populations before anything will change. Barring children under 25 from entering the military is a MUST. Shame on anyone who didn't support this before - the hypocrites who lowered the drinking age rather than change military age to even 21 - which is still far too young. Kids in the military are just ghetto gangs running amok with better guns - that's atrocious. That's an abomination. It has to end - or we will.
Well said Army brat
The way our government disrespects the troops has been going on for years!
For forty years our government has denied justice to the USS LIBERTY Veterans and crucified the truth because "We will not embarrass an ally." -President Lyndon Johnson, June 8, 1967.
Forty years ago the American government not only colluded with Israel in the treasonous cover-up of the attack on the USS LIBERTY the survivors "were ordered to remain silent under threat of court martial, imprisonment or worse...The U.S. government has never challenged the obviously phony Israeli excuse of "mistaken identity" nor have they attempted to expose the dishonorable cover up that continues to date. Truth and America's honor were ignominiously sacrificed to provide cover for Israel's transparent lies and despicable act of perfidy." -Phillip F. Tourney, President USS LIBERTY Veterans Association, June 8, 2007, Marriott Courtyard, VA.
The Veterans of the USS LIBERTY have repeatedly requested an open independent panel to investigate the horrific and unprovoked attack upon them and have only received pro-forma letters from a White House staffer in the Bush Administration stating that the attack had already been investigated.
"This is a bald-faced lie!" -Tourney
This civilian journalist has only just begun a series of interviews with the survivors who and the more I learn the more flaming mad I get over that day in infamy when the US Government failed to support the troops, Congress went limp and the MSM went MIA.
WAWA Blog November 5, 2007: Veterans Day is a week away, Remember LIBERTY
WAWA Blog November 6, 2007: Honoring LIBERTY and Calling for a Second American Revolution!
WAWA Blog November 12, 2007: The Torpedo that Hit the USS LIBERTY: Made in the USA?
WAWA Blog November 20, 2007: Here's to Seconding Captain McGonagle's Two Word Epithet
December 22, 2007: "July 4th in Hell without the ice cream"
WAWA Blog January 1, 2008: The Blow Back from "My nightmare in the Mediterranean"
WAWA Blog January 4, 2008: "There Can Be No Peace in the Middle East Until Israel Owns its Own Atrocities"
WAWA Blog January 16, 2008: Disrespecting the Troops, the McCain's and Hillary
WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
WAWA Homepage under construction at this very moment but later today there will be all the direct links to the USS LIBERTY SERIES of articles directly under the banner
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Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor WAWA:
Author "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu"
It's obvious that the warrior class should cowboy up and be thankful they were saved. You can't expect the investor class to pay their freight just because they lost a limb or two. If we are to continue on our path to show the world how wonderful freedom and liberty are and how great our God loving country is, we can't be throwing good money on losing battles. Get over it and put your money in the stock market so you will some day be able to pay for your own needs. It is the American Way you know.
RE: - They raised qualifications for disability because there were too many vets applying for benefits - and they also refused to recognize damage done by DU or those dangerous shot-regimes.
So much for supporting our troops! All those bills about increasing funding for the military - how much of it actually goes to increasing safety equipment for the soldiers? When the Repug finally faces off with the Dem they are going to make it sound as if those who voted against increased military funding were denying soldiers bullet proof vests!
BTW - did you hear Robert Gates's lasted comment concerning the soldiers serving in Afghanistan!
"I'm worried we have some military forces that don't know how to do counterinsurgency operations," - Robert Gates
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080116/nato_gates_080116?s_name=&no_ads=
(link includes both video and a comment section so that you can see what Canadians think of Gate's comments)
RE: - those human angels will dope the patient up with drugs and they don't suffer as much before they die
I mean if you wish to avoid calling a Hospice or palliative care as long as possible. Or if you are not quite in need of a Hospice or palliative care yet but wish to improve your quality of life - even a tiny bit - for as long as possible?
In Manitoba, if you decide to die at home rather than in palliative care, you have to pay for the morphine. And, after a certain point, the palliative care nurse threatens to stop her daily visit unless your family takes down your regular bed and lets them put in a hospital bed.
For the most part, soldiers here coming back from combat or peacekeeping missions just use the public system. Thus, I am extrapolating a bit with the care of the elderly and the care of those damaged in ways other than the wear and tear of the years. Right or wrong, it is the way the Health Care system is set up as well. For the Elderly, there is the push for ways to allow them to live either independently or semi independently for as long as possible - rather than just putting them in an institution until they are ready for palliative care.
DU survivors before the tumour gets too big ...
I think we both agree that those who serve our respective countries, if damaged, should receive all the help they need to lead as independent a life as possible - for as long as possible.
Amputees here who live on welfare don't have artificial legs or modified cars - they have wheelchairs. Though the curbs are now slanted and buildings and buses have ramps, still, it is not very easy to get around in winter in a wheelchair.
Neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives are ever going to do anything about veterans. It is only the pacifist NDP who care about them over here at all.
armybrat, good for you listening to your father.
My kid had a classmate whose father was a career military guy of some kind. He forbade his child from joining the military. He said the family had contributed enough.
The child is now back from Iraq missing an eye. (He's 26 or so, not really a child, but he is to me)
Yeah GREENERTHANTHOU, when I got a $40 check for my birthday from my youngest several years ago, I realized I was an OLD man. ___ I never cashed it, have it framed and hanging on the wall to remind me. They're still kids to me though too.
Yeah, our little ones will always be our little ones.
My mother has three grandchildren: 26, 15 and 4.
Nellie McClung was against fighting in WWII - but that did not prevent her sons from going over to Europe to fight.
What was that WWII song - "I'll be home for Christmas" - they didn't have a clue!
Let's not forget that mysterious fire in St Louis that destroyed so many WWII vet's records - my father being one of them - and making it difficult (if not impossible) to get VA benefits when needed most. I can't believe there weren't back-up files somewhere - that nobody wanted to find, for obvious reasons.
I forbid my kid from joining up too - but once those recruiters get their hands on them, it'a all over (Gulf War I). Then we have to deal with the horrendous results at home - and it's a losing battle, especially with all those 'privacy' laws that keep us from getting access to the records of vets no longer able to function on their own. Now it's even worse, not just because of DU and the usual PTSD, but undiagnosed brain trauma from IEDs. And now too many people say 'they volunteered' - yeah, like they were mature enough to make that kind of decision, let alone fight the 24/7 propaganda onslaught engineered over the last 60 years, including information taken from both the Nazis and Imperial Japan. We don't stand a chance against that kind of expertise - it's immoral. And we will all pay for this terrible 'sin' - one of those 'sins of the father' we keep hearing about.
I still believe in a capable defense force - an honorable military limited to defending our shores against invasion, not initiating wars of empire against defenseless civilians (and that includes us!). I also condemn all aerial attacks - they have always targeted civilians and have been a tool of terrorism, not wars of self-defense.