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NBC Battles To Keep Kucinich Out of Las Vegas Debate
Some principles are worth fighting for: like the cherished right of television networks to decide who is and who is not a legitimate candidate for president.
NBC Universal Inc. is a major media conglomerate. And major media conglomerates have traditionally been able to police the parameters of presidential politics. Any affront to this order of affairs is a threat to the ability of corporations to define the American discourse.
That's what is at stake as NBC fights to limit the amount of information Nevada Democrats have available to them before they caucuses on Saturday to choose delegates to the Democratic National Convention. So the network has announced that its crack legal team will work through the night to overturn a judge's order that Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich be included in the last pre-caucus debate between the Democratic presidential contenders.
On the day after the New Hampshire primary, when New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson was still in the race, Kucinich, Richardson, New York Senator Hillary Clinton, Illinois Senator Barack Obama and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards were invited to participate in the debate scheduled to be televised on MSNBC from 9 to 11 p.m. Tuesday.
Debate organizers wanted Richardson in the forum and knew that they could not exclude Kucinich, who was running ahead of the New Mexican in several national polls. So they grudgingly contacted the Kucinich campaign, which participated last week in initial planning discussions for the debate.
But when Richardson dropped out of the race on Thursday, the network yanked the invitation to Kucinich, who has stirred up past forums -- and distinguished himself from Clinton, Obama and Edwards -- by calling for the rapid withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, advocating for the impeachment of members of the Bush administration, and even discussing the damage done to the political process by media monopolies.
The Kucinich campaign sued NBC over the network's decision to conduct a closed debate. And Senior Clark County District Court Judge Charles Thompson ruled Monday that the congressman must be allowed to participate. Arguing that Nevada voters -- and, by extension, the Democratic nominating process in which they are playing a high-profile role -- would benefit by hearing from more than just NBC-favored contenders Clinton, Obama and Edwards, Judge Thompson said, "I don't think that just deciding that just three is good enough for the state of Nevada is a legitimate basis (for dropping Kucinich)."
"Had it been established at the beginning that they'll only take the top three for the debates, I wouldn't have any problem enforcing it," the judge explained to NBC's lawyers. "I'm somewhat offended that a legitimate candidate was invited to a debate and then uninvited under circumstances that appear to be that they just decided to exclude him."
How offended? Judge Thompson told the network's lawyers that any move to exclude Kucinich would lead him to issue an injunction to stop the televised debate.
This threat to its ability to police the discourse was an affront that NBC would not let stand. "We disagree with the judge's decision and are filing an appeal," declared Jeremy Gaines, a vice president for MSNBC, who announced that the cable channel's parent network would demand an immediate hearing before the Nevada Supreme Court.
Kucinich's lawyers will battle to preserve Judge Thompson's ruling, and the candidate's right to a participate in the forum. They have fewer resources, but are possessed of one commodity that the broadcast and cable network seem to lack: an understanding that democracy is best served by free and open debate.
© 2008 The Nation



190 Comments so far
Show AllThis is quite amusing to see a member of the incumbent duopoly receive the kind of treatment that independent and third party candidates always receive. I don't recall DK ever speaking up about the exclusion of Ralph Nader from the 'bipartisan debates' in 2000 or 2004. If Kucinich was serious about change he'd split from the corrupt warmonger party and run for Senate as an independent. But he isn't. His campaign is all about duping 'progressives' into thinking they can get progress or change within the Democrat Party. When has that happened since the New Deal?
Does DK have anything to say about his party's obstruction of Nader's 2004 campaign, for which they are being sued? Haven't heard a peep from the Boy Mayor of Cleveland.
Meanwhile a true insurgent candidacy is emerging as Cynthia McKinney campaigns for the Green Party nomination. As in 2004, DK will put aside his peace rhetoric and back his party's warmaker nominee rather than break with the status quo.
Aren't Common Dreams readers already boycotting GE?!?!?
General Electric, a weapons manufacturer, owns NBC. It is not surprising then that they would exclude the most avidly pro-peace candidate. That's the word from Arkansas...
Interesting how the one candidate who actually stands for CHANGE is the one candidate corporate Ameri(k)a want silenced. It tells you all you need to know about the other three status quo candidates who will keep their mouths shut while paying lip service to values like democracy, change, equal rights...ad nausea...
ALL the Corporate Media have conspired from the beginning to assassinate anyone outside the Washington Concensus. I'm suprised that they're even letting Edwards in this debate...he's making Wall Street a little nervous with all this mumbo jumbo about workers' rights...too bad for Brian Williams that calling left-wing radicals "commies" has gone out of style. I'm seriously considering cancelling my Dish Television contract...Jackass war-mongering bastards @ NBC, FOX, CBS, ABC...and just about all the rest (except LINK & FTSV) can go straight to the Hell they're helping create.
Excellent summary by Nichols. This is merely the latest chapter in the ongoing determination by the MSM to erase Kucinich from the scene, much as they did with Nader in 2000 and '04. Notice how they didn't do this with Perot in '96, as he was backed up with umpteen millions of his own bucks. If DK was on the corporate gravy train the MSM would bow respectfully and give him a mike at any debate.
But given his message and the fact that it's damned hard to locate greed, corruption and venality anywhere in his fairly impoverished campaign, the media can snub him from now to doomsday, unable as they are to find any commonality with anything Kucinich represents. NBC is as complicit in Bush's warmongering as any of the other media kingpins, btw, so they're only trying to maintain consistency by pulling the plug on anyone with the audacity to stand up and say what we're doing in Iraq, and elsewhere, are impeachable crimes, or that health care should be universal and single-payer, or anything else DK tries to say. NBC has its reputation to defend!
I just sent NBC an email expressing my disgust, we should all do the same. Bastards...
How dare they?
Finally, I hooked up my television after it sat in the closet for seven years, and the only channel I get is NBC (I have not yet purchased cable). Well, it was a thought but I think I will put the television back in the closet (I know there are other good channels).
Dennis's fighting for what is "RIGHT" again shows the kind of leader he will make.
Congratulations to the judge who made this determination. Now the NEXT Goliath in front of D.K. is the army of high paid corporate lawyers. Then what will be next? Will the moderator choose not to ask Dennis any questions?
I hope this is getting SOME media coverage.
CD...Thanks for posting this.
Freedom of the press?
In the US if you own the press, you are free to spread military/industrialist propaganda.
If you are the average person, you have the right to be a braindead couch potato slurping down your diet soda while munching cheese flavored nachos and staring at the latest 'pop tart' public meltdown, while outside your SUV sports a 'support our troops' sticker.
If ignorance is bliss, the entire friggin' country is close to permanent Nirvana.
This incident makes it clear that no major corporate network should hold any Presidential debate. We should have no debates on CNN, NBC, FOX, CBS, MSNBC, or any other privately-owned network.
All debates should be on PBS, C-SPAN, or live on the Internet moderated by contractors retained by the federal government.
It matters not what we see, hear or who we vote for. Can anyone say "Bilderberg"?
Wake up you sleepy heads, wake up! Until everyone understands who rules this world, not country -- world and what their agenda is, will you understand what's about to happen. The US is just a pimple on the ass of world society right now so get over this democracy delusion, fill your house with staples and get ready, we're about to be subjected to awful things in awful places and there is NO ONE going to come and help us.
Imagine what we could do if we knew how to use democracy. We could end all the wars (armed robberies) that are draining our wealth, and eroding our security. We could take back our airwaves from the shills for power that dominate our collective thoughts. We could end the hideous drug war that sucks billions out of our communities and ruins our justice system, gives us rampant crime and corruption and destroys freedom. We could regulate the destructive practices of business in a way that would benefit all of us and perhaps even save the planet.
Instead we have been mind-manipulated into treating it like a horse race that eliminates any chance of anyone who would represent us from winning, Kucinich being the prime example. If we simply matched our feelings on the issues to the candidate that best represented them, Kucinich would walk away with 87 percent of the vote. Instead he gets the fraction of people who understand democracy.
What an epic tragedy of American failure.
Claudius - We gave our TV away 7 years ago. One year after the birth of our daughter. At 8 years old she has been exposed to TV only minimally, and seen no more than 10 movies. Her favorite rainy day activity is to curl up with a book, she reads veraciously. My partner and I do not miss the tube at all, and will never again subject our home to that slime.
What really pisses me off is not that NBC would do such a thing, but that "we the people" or the government that is suppose to represent us would put private broadcasting companies in a position where the have any say at all about who will or will not be included in a public debate for a public election process. What a friggin' joke, no wonder we are loosing our freedom and our democracy.
Boycott NBC and Disney and the rest of them. Turn off your TV, hell disconnect the damn thing. What a waste of the public airwaves and time!
I am gross and perverted, I am obsessed and deranged
I have existed for years but very little has changed.
I'm tool of the government and industry too,
for I am destined to rule and regulate you.
I may be vile and pernicious, but you can't look away.
I make you think I'm delicious, with the stuff that I say.
I'm the best you can get, have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozing out of your TV set!
Frank Zappa
The constant rejection of DK and Ron Paul sets up an interesting opportunity for some network to set up a debate for just the two of them. Maybe Anderson Cooper could moderate. The debate between the two of them would get to the heart of the differences of, and the divergencies of, two completely opposite worldviews who share some of the same goals.
Just like Ralph Nader taking on the road-blocks. So Mr. Nader, where is your support for Dennis? We need as many high profile people as possible to help focus grass-roots support for Dennis and true diversity in our political system. Ralph Nader would help immensely. Dennis is unique in that he decided to remain in the duopoly and still maintain integrity (as a 'true democrat'). I guess if you're in the 'matrix' you can try to reprogram it from within. Hard to see that occurring in our duopoly, but it may be worth a try to make use of what is left of the Democratic party for the time being. Short of Dennis, we need a real 3rd party that has a balanced progressive platform. At some point the ideal would be that Dennis K. and Ralph Nader team up to really consolidate a 3rd party with a balanced progressive platform. They are the only two I know that might get it rolling. Hard to see the Democratic party really reforming and breaking loose from vested interests.
How dare these hoars of capitalism call it democracy,when they try and silence a free voice of the people.
Perhaps with a high profile fight over this,Kucinuch and his people, can shed some light on what a lie this democracy is.
On a slightly different subject, the only reason I keep Dish is for "Link TV" and "FSTV"..
Just for this I refuse to buy any light bulbs or jet engines from Jeffrey Robert Immelt! I have also UNPLUGED my idiot box.
chunga's revenge,
Like your daughter, I spend the majority of my time reading. I applaud you for giving away your television and wish more people would do the same. I flinch in horror at how many years of my life I spent watching the nutbox. I think this weekend I will go down to a local charity and give them my television. There is nothing like a hot cup of coffee, sitting in a comfortable chair, and reading a good book!
Please get out of your mind that the US is a democracy.
It never was much of one - even down to the local levels, and any remaining credentials to call itself one were torn up in December, 2000.
When $earching the NBC web$ite, it wa$ very difficult, if not impo$$ible, to contact the admini$tration regarding thi$ cen$or$hip/muzzling i$$ue. Obviou$ly NBC know$ what'$ good for the bottom line and they certainly won't allow democracy and free $peech to get in their way.
Good Thread.
I tend to judge candidates by whether the MSM acknowledges they exist or not.
Yes I seek out the ones they want us to ignore.
I think Cynthia McKinney will be the most honest about telling us what needs to be done to keep the planet inhabitable.
MSM is relentless; and it's agenda is to gain your trust in order to convince you, you have no other choices. GIVE UP! NOW!
The media is supposed to serve the public interest by law. This is the battle that needs to be fought, just as important as the presidential race. It's time for media to bend to the people, rather than media bending the people to its (corporate) will.
At least we still have some good Judges...I hope he cancels the whole show.
claudius,
Your TV, will be obsolete when it comes out of the closet next time. HA!
The waning institution of democracy (little d) does not have a good record when things go to any Supreme Court.
Generally, the global corporatist Empire behind this facade of 'Vichy American' faux democracy wins all grudge matches in the 'Vichy courts' as duly reported by our 'Vichy' media.
I wouldn't mind jamming NBC's inbox, you have the best email address? like TW, I am having a hard time finding any link to the administration...tons to their merchandise tho...
This is not about Kucinich. It is about the corporate states ability to define the parameters of discourse in this country. We no longer live in a democracy; something more akin to a Soviet Democratic Republic.
WOuldn't this be the oppotune time to, as it were, 'kill the messenger'?
yesterday i both called and emailed nbc. one can only hope that this has any effect. it seems like our only avenue. CALL and ask for the COMMENT LINE. Email: go to NBC.com and get the email address. the media has NO RIGHT to "determine" the agenda of politics and certainly NO RIGHT to decide who is or who is NOT a candidate for office....IF they do, then certainly the US is no democracy by any stretch of the imagination...I think Congress needs to weigh in on this issue also...
S.O.S. Corporate fascism is here !
This is the same media that presents imperial war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan as nation building !
purvis, something more akin to a global corporatist Empire hiding behind the facade of "Vichy America' ---- just like the NAZI EMPIRE was hiding behind the 'Vichy French' faux government.
The only difference is that Goebbels and the Nazi Empire never thought to set-up a two-party 'Vichy' facade.
You can almost hear from the grave:
"Mein Fuhrer, I have failed you. If we the sophistication of this new 21st century corporatist empire, we could have set up such a perfect disguise, even in the fatherland, that your thousand year Reich would have been a reality."
I get an NBC out of Minneapolis and the only programs showing are Law & Order and The Biggest Loser:Couples. Neither of these shows sound like a Dem debate, unless they are trying to diss John Edwards and Elizabeth unfairly again.
What I am saying is that I don't really think I have a choice whether I boycott this or not. Also, I don't think NBC has a choice other than to let Kucinich participate and I'm going to miss it - unless you can tell me a way around it.
Anyone here know how to use Youtube?
RE: - I'm suprised that they're even letting Edwards in this debate…he's making Wall Street a little nervous with all this mumbo jumbo about workers' rights…too bad for Brian Williams that calling left-wing radicals "commies" has gone out of style.
They basically have to because of his numbers, but, to be sure, they would prefer not to. Ergo, as we all know, the campaign to try to convince everyone that he is basically out of the race.
It is something that calling people "commies" has gone out of style, though. They would still be using it if they thought doing so would create the impact they wanted.
RE: - General Electric, a weapons manufacturer, owns NBC.
Which weapons manufacturers do GE own? How do they compare to Thyssen in strategy?
RE: -
Boy! Remember when broadcast media was a licensed operation given permission and the revokable privilage to make use of the public's airwaves? Remember when the ethics of journalism (not the commericalism it has become)required no advocacy -- but the best efforts at reporting and open coverage of what was happening?
It's a new day. And news that is produced is designed to shape and sell having no depth -- nothing of thinking substance to tell. Just open up wide and swallow what's shoved down your throats by those who can buy what goes into the "big" broadcast. Never mind how the rigging of the broadcast shapes reality of those who have never had a different diet. If you grow up with "Mc Broadcasts" and that's all you know -- it makes for one, big Happy Meal.
The constant rejection of DK and Ron Paul sets up an interesting opportunity for some network to set up a debate for just the two of them.
Funny thing ALL the other candidates are members of the "Council on Foreign Relations" both Democrat and Republican. Huckabee's foreign policy advisor is Richard Haass who is the current head of the CFR.
Richard Cheney was a past leader. A YouTube video shows Cheney speaking to the CFR laughing how he did not dare to tell the voters of Wyoming that he was a member of the CFR when he ran for congress.
It's not media Fascism. Just Fascism.
Remember, the Bush family forture was enlarged by Prescott Bush's work for Hitler and the IG Farben. For Gods sake, the man was censured by your Congress for trading with the enemy! During WWII! WHILE HE WAS A SITTING ELECTED OFFICIAL!!
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Watch the Green Party debate instead of the Democrats.
Like Mik said, boycott GE, and MSNBC, contact Robert Wright, the head of NBC, Jack Welch, the head of GE, let them know of the boycott that is starting. Watch the Today Show and the evening news with Brian Williams, Meet the Press, etc.(only long enough to find out who their sponsors are) and inform them that you will no longer buy their products. Contact your fiends and family, spread the word. Boycott GE and their holdings, then move on to Disney, etc.
It's good to unplug your tv but enlarge your perspective and unplug from the oppressive capitalist economy. It's a growing trend. You can do it. It all begins with making just one small change such as not buying new things and instead buying only used. Then progressively add another thing to your personal campaign to unplug. Even something as simple as taking better care of your things so they last longer makes a big difference. Ignore new top-down fashions and establish your own personal eclectic fashion of the "used" to make your statement. I love doing this just to hear the economists squeal. lol The bonus is that your weakening the elites and helping to ease global warming. Consumerism is 70% of the economy. You have the power, just do it. Your economic vote may be the only one that you have left. So power up your campaign and no matter where you live if you cup your ears with your hands and face the east you can hear the faint but increasing economic screams of wall street. Once you hear it it's like a Siren's song, the more you want to hear it. It's the fertilizer for further action.
does anybody know exactly on what grounds nbc is appealing? i'd love to get a look at their brief to see what new heights of sophistry are being attempted.
Bit of trivia... Every time you hear the little three note NBC "logo" tune, realize that the notes are GEC (for the original owners of NBC, the "General Electric Corporation.) NBC was sold for a while and GE purchased it back 10-20 years ago.
NBC and GE have a vested interest in keeping Kucinich out of the debate. They have to keep their war and nuclear power machines humming.
Kucinich rhymes with Spinach!
Its too bad.
I suspect he wont be allowed.
http://www.nbc.com/Footer/Contact_Us/
NBC ABC CBS CNN MSNBC and the rest who try to exclude viable candidates from debates, should be charged with Treason against and Have their licenses suspended.
General Electric which owns NBC is a big weapons manufacturer, and stands to profit from more war, and thus more killing. It doesn't not look like they seem to want an open and honest forum, People should think twice about purchasing products manufactured by General Electric, a company, who's family of companies like NBC, stands to profit greatly from this war.
Boycott General Electric, and NBC, if they don't allow all viable candidates to debate in Las Vegas!
I killed my TV 3 years ago. If everyone did the same the propagators of the fascist propaganda would all go out of business tomorrow.
Judge grants Kucinich entry to NV Democratic presidential debate:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20080114-1918-nv-kucinich-nevada.html
We should demand that the other three candidates QUIT the debate ---
These debates are all nonsense anyway ---
followed up by computer steals that go back to the introduction of the computers into our elections in the mid-1960's!!!
Two journalists, Jim & Ken Collier began to investigate computer voting frauds in the late 1960's/early 1970's. Their book was suppressed but can still be read at the website below.
See: Votescam, The Stealing of America
http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm
Wake up America!!!
It's a travesty. If the other candidates boycotted it GE would change its tune in a second. But that won't happen of course. Too easy. Too direct. Too democratic to even be considered.
Chunga's Revenge, read that article - it seems as if they figure that the appeal can be settled before the debate's start time but that if they lose the appeal they either have to include Kucinich or cancel the debate. Keep us posted as to how the appeal goes.
Seems that the NBC channel I get doesn't carry the debate. Promise me that if Kucinich wins the appeal that you will insure that we can see his performance. Will check back here later. Thank you in advance.
RE: Remember, the Bush family forture was enlarged by Prescott Bush's work for Hitler and the IG Farben.
Actually, the corporate class of Germany supported Hilter because they were afraid of the rise of communism and feared their companies being nationalized. They could care less about Hitler's policy concerning the Jews, though some of them did make use of the free labour such internment granted them - just like the US and Canada made use of Japanese-Canadian and Japanese-American captive free labour.
Prescott Bush was dinged for his involvement with Thyssen. Thyssen was still around during the Reagan-Papa Bush era.
According to Karlheinz Schreiber, Franz Strauss, then Governor of Bavaria, gave money to Schreiber to travel the world and elect Conservatives. It seems that this money was used to out Joe Clark and replace him with Brian Mulroney - who went on to be Prime Minister and Ronald Reagan's dear friend.
Karlheinz Schreiber was also charged with promoting the interests of Thyssen in North America.