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Haven't We Heard This Voice Before?
She had me at "Well, that hurts my feelings."
One cliché about Hillary Clinton is true. For whatever reason - and it's no crime - the spontaneous, outgoing person who impresses those who meet her offstage often evaporates when she steps into the public spotlight. But in the crucial debate before the New Hampshire primary, the private Clinton popped out for the first time in the 2008 campaign. She parried a male inquisitor's questioning of her likability by being, of all things, likable.
Not only did Mrs. Clinton betray some (but not too many) hurt feelings with genuine humor, she upped the ante by flattering Barack Obama as "very likable." Which prompted the Illinois senator to match Mrs. Clinton's most human moment to date with the most inhuman of his own. To use family-newspaper language, he behaved like a jerk - or, to be more precise, like Rick Lazio, the now-forgotten adversary who cleared Mrs. Clinton's path to the Senate by boorishly waving a paper in her face during a 2000 debate.
Mr. Obama's grudging "You're likable enough, Hillary" made him look like "an ex-husband that was turning over the alimony check," in the formulation of Paul Begala, a Clinton backer. The moment stood in stark contrast to Mr. Obama's behavior in the corresponding debate just before the Iowa caucuses. There he raised his head high to defend Joe Biden's honor when Mr. Biden was questioned about his tic of spouting racial malapropisms.
Whatever the precise impact of the incessant video replays of Mr. Obama's condescension or of Mrs. Clinton's later quasi tears, Tuesday's vote speaks for itself. In her 2.6 percentage-point, 7,500-vote victory, Mrs. Clinton beat Mr. Obama among women voters by 12 percentage points only five days after he carried them by 5 points in Iowa. As we reopen the gender wars, let's not forget that it's 2008, not 1968. There are actually some men who are offended by sexist male behavior too. Or by the female misogyny exemplified by the South Carolina woman who asked John McCain in November, "How do we beat the bitch?"
And so an exciting and healthy mano-a-mano battle for the Democratic presidential nomination is finally on. (The biggest losers in New Hampshire's primary, no one need be reminded, were pollsters and the press.) But if Mrs. Clinton prompted many to give her candidacy a fresh look in the New Hampshire stretch, her victory speech was, to skeptics like myself, a step back. When she talked about how "the process" prompted her to find her "own voice," I had to ask the same question Clinton fans ask of Mr. Obama: where's the beef? Though her campaign gave Madeleine Albright and Wesley Clark the hook and replaced them with a backdrop of youthful eye candy on Tuesday night, Mrs. Clinton soon retreated into the same old pro forma Clinton talking points, nominally updated from the 1990s.
Voice is not merely a matter of presenting a softer persona, speaking eloquently, looking authentic on television, cracking jokes or shedding tears - worthwhile attributes for any candidate, including Mr. Obama. Voice is also about content, and in this election, content may yet be king. Though gender, race, age and likability are all factors, the fundamentals of what the public is looking for in the presidential marketplace remains more stable than our economy week after week.
As Mrs. Clinton would say, let's have a reality check. The exit poll of those who voted on Tuesday - not to be confused with the pre-primary polls that misfired - showed that Democrats are still looking for change (54 percent) over experience (19 percent) and that they overwhelmingly associate Mr. Obama with the former and Mrs. Clinton with the latter. By change, they don't mean merely a tuneup. As the Wall Street Journal-NBC News survey of both Democrats and Republicans found last month, the percentage of voters who favor "small adjustments" in America (24) or "moderate corrections" (29) is swamped by the 46 percent who seek "major reforms" and a "brand-new" approach.
In Tuesday's exit polling, half of Republican voters said even they'd had enough of President Bush. That's why "change" the word, if not the deed, keeps proliferating in both parties like kudzu. In last weekend's twin ABC debates, Mr. Obama's 14 invocations of "change" or "changes" were surpassed by Mrs. Clinton's 25 and nearly matched by Mitt Romney's 10. The question for the two top Democrats, whose specific positions on most issues vary only by increments, is who can best convince the country that they can deliver that change. Mr. Obama's powerful speeches alone can't accomplish that, and neither can Mrs. Clinton's born-again vow to make her emotions and campaign appearances more accessible to voters and the press.
In the nightmare scenario for their party, they could both fail or take each other out or self-destruct, inducing the public to settle for a Republican who can somehow persuade voters that he's the change agent by default. It behooves Democrats to notice that Mr. McCain's brand as a straight-talking rebel is so strong that even those voters in the New Hampshire G.O.P. primary who don't like Mr. Bush or the Iraq war gave him most of their votes despite his outspoken support of both.
However unpredictable the race as a whole may be, the vision thing still seems central to the Democrats' change sweepstakes. Whether you regard it as inspirational or pablum, Mr. Obama's vision has been consistent since the 2004 convention speech that introduced him to the country well before his presidential candidacy: a hopeful reconciliation of red and blue Americans joined in a united effort to address and heal the domestic and international cancers that have metastasized during the bitter partisanship of the Bush-Rove years.
Mrs. Clinton's vision, so far anyway, is exactly the reverse of her opponent's big picture: a long itemized shopping list of government programs (few of which any Democratic candidate would disagree with) that are nakedly targeted to appeal to every Election Day constituency. This presentation of the liberal catechism reached its apotheosis in a Clinton campaign ad in December. Mrs. Clinton was shown doling out Christmas presents labeled "Universal Health Care" and "Alternative Energy" before delivering the punch line, "Where did I put universal pre-K?" (At least she stopped short of regifting us with Al Gore's old "Social Security lockbox.")
Every politician employs pollsters, but Mrs. Clinton, tellingly, has one, Mark Penn, as her top campaign strategist. As Sally Bedell Smith reminds us in her book about the Clintons, "For Love of Politics," it was Mr. Penn who helped shape the 1996 Bill Clinton campaign in which "soccer moms" were identified and wooed with such Cracker Jack prizes as school uniforms and V-chips to monitor TV violence. For Mrs. Clinton's Senate campaign four years later, it was also Mr. Penn's market testing that, in Ms. Smith's telling, "crafted anodyne, bite-sized messages for Hillary." The overall message uniting the small-bore promises, such as it was, remains unchanged today: competence, experience, wonky proficiency.
But we're no longer in 2000, the lull before the 9/11 storm, let alone 1996. Nonetheless, Mr. Penn, who remains the chief executive of the corporate P.R. giant Burson-Marsteller even as he works for the Clinton campaign, still peddles the 1.0 edition of his philosophy. In his business tome "Microtrends" published in September, he glories in "the niching of America," observing that "there is no one America anymore" but "hundreds of Americas." He postulates that "Americans overwhelmingly favor small, reasonable ideas over big, grandiose schemes."
As a theory for marketing Burson-Marsteller corporate clients like Microsoft and AT&T - or for selling a third Clinton term - Mr. Penn's vision may make sense. What Mr. Obama is betting on instead is a hunger, however dreamy, for one America, not hundreds of niches, aspiring to the big, grandiose scheme of finding a common good. The defining question of his campaign is not just whether he can make this vision real but whether he has the ability as a leader to give it intellectual heft and to carry it out. We'll find out soon enough. Either way, the national yearning for a more perfect union is unmistakable. Such is the decisive backlash against these divisive years in which anyone who fails to agree with the White House has been portrayed as un-American, if not with the terrorists.
In Mrs. Clinton's down-to-earth micropolitics, polls often seem to play the leadership role. That leaves her indecisive when one potential market is pitched against another. Witness her equivocation over Iraq, driver's licenses for illegal immigrants and even Cubs vs. Yankees. Add to this habitual triangulation the ugly campaigning of the men around her - Mr. Penn's sleazy invocation of "cocaine" on MSNBC, Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" rant falsifying Mr. Obama's record on Iraq - and you don't have change. You have the acrimonious 1990s that the Republicans are dying to refight, because that's the only real tactic they have.
It would be good for both her campaign and the presidential race in general if Mrs. Clinton does find her own voice. We'll know she has done so when it doesn't sound so uncannily like Bill Clinton and Mark Penn.
--Frank Rich
Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company
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In September 2007 Countrywide announced a major public relations campaign titled "Protect Our House" to address negative reactions to its corporate downsizing and mortgage defaults and foreclosures. The campaign was to be run by Burson-Marsteller, a firm run by prominent pollster Mark Penn. [4] Countrywide employees were given the opportunity to sign a pledge of support to the company and the campaign, whereupon they were issued green wrist bands.
I'm already tired of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Please let her lose this voice and find another one that Americans don't like.
Bush-Clinton Bush-Clinton can't we get a new last name in there for President? Ughhhh
Can't we discuss issues...
Kucinich may be the best, but he has no support among conservatives. Edwards, Obama and Hillary are the oligarchy's choice. Paul and Gravel have liberal and conservative support and are the oligarchy's nightmare.
Ron Paul/Mike Gravel 2008 would REALLY shake things up!
What about her political twin, Obama?
That guy is a master triangulator.
I usually enjoy Frank Rich's columns but here he's falling into the Hillary/Obama dichotomy, an oligarchical distinction without a difference. Doesn't Edwards get credit for saying things the two triangulating blatherers won't? Doesn't Kucinich at least get an honorable mention for outlasting Bill Richardson?
I still say it's a complete waste of time.
Hoa binh
The reasoning I hear for disliking/liking Hillary and/or Obama are about on the level of how we choose our toothpaste or breakfast flakes.
The fact is both could be capable as Prez -- the loyalties they would have to big money backers is hard to guess. In any case, I would take a potted plant above anything the Repugnants will choose for the finalheat of the Quadrennial Horse Races.
All you need to know about Hillary's campaign can be gleaned from her advisors (All the Clinton hacks): Albright, Burger, Richard Holbrook, Wesley Clark, and all of Bill's other friends that came to the rescue every time his presidency was under siege for his sexual exploits!)
Just check out Alan Nairn's backgrounder on the various advisors on Democracy Now on Jan. 3, 2008!
Agreed Alan Nairn is truthfull
No issues... pure pablum.
I guess that works for the masses.
what about the issues? i'm going to see dennis kucinich at the university of michigan on monday afternoon. it will probably be crowded.
Hillary Clinton's biggest weakness is one she shares with George W. Bush: divisiveness. She is even more polarizing than Bush at a comparable point in his career. The pundits heap ridicule on personality as a criterion for fitness to govern, but I disagree. An emotionally intelligent, persuasive and conciliatory leader is exactly what we--and the world--need right now, and exactly what Hillary Clinton isn't. We've had enough of confrontatation, saber rattling, warmongering, hardball politics, triangulation and realpolitik. We need someone who, like FDR or Churchill or JFK, can inspire and unite people.
Obama isn't as vacuous as he seems; his early, principled, very unpopular (at the time) opposition to the war demonstrates that he has principles. He's smart, and he knows that pushing all the hot buttons right now would lead to defeat. Better to unite people behind him, keep his powder dry, get elected, lay out a progressive agenda and make progress. Edwards, on the other hand, is coming off as a confrontational pseudo-David taking on Goliath, high-rolling tort lawyer, which is exactly what he is.
It's bad enough that Frank Rich, supposedly liberal, has joined the MSM in making Edwards an unperson by refusing to mention him. But ezeflyer, what were YOU thinking, including Edwards as one of the "oligarchy's choice?"
It's disappointing to see Frank Rich going along with the horse race. This article felt one step above analyzing the length of Hillary's skirt.
He got one thing right: talking about a nightmare scenario possibility. Watching the Democrats run a presidential race reminds me of a line by Robin Williams in The Bird Cage: "It's like riding a psychotic horse toward a burning stable".
Now that Edwards has pointed out that the rich are running a class war - and winning, his campaign has disappeared from view by the Ministry of Information. With them around, who needs censorship? The 50s and 60s were times of major gains for most Americans, Blacks being excluded. Small business loans and home ownership were reserved for white people. The industry terms were redlining and steering. After WWII, the GI Bill virtually created a middle class with paying for college and providing financing for homes. But it was restricted to white servicemen. This country has a lot to make up for but first it has to face what it has done and we are not even there yet.
I feel like I'm staring at an immovable mountain when I hear people say - which they do as if a mantra - and especially people writing articles on CommonDreams, who should know better, that they want America to go back to being the great country it once was. It's like our history isn't real, it's a fairy tale we tell ourselves. I tried to read "I buried My Heart at Wounded Knee" but by the time I was halfway through the book I was crying so hard I couldn't read any more. However painful the truth is, I do want to know it. I finally rented the movie. I thought if I watch the movie I will be able to read the book. I don't want to go around in La La land while our government does hideous things to other people, and for the crassest of reasons, financial gain. Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. Define Liberty.
kathyodat
Frank Rich,
Hillary found her voice long ago. You can't say you haven't heard it.
Her voice is in her voting record: Globalization, American Empire, and the necessary war, war, wars! to make it all possible.
Of late, Ms. Clinton is making the excuse that she didn't fully understand what she was voting for when she voted to give Bush the go ahead to invade and occupy a soverign nation, when there was little if any evidence that Iraq was a threat to the US.
Dennis Kucinich voted against giving Bush the go ahead. He and Obama both made accurate assessments of Iraq's weapons capabilities and said so in impassioned speeches to the American people. Hillary was dead wrong. Read her speeches at the time: Iraq has nuclear weapons programs! biological weapons! Iraq is a threat to our country! Iraq supports terrorists! And we should elect her to run the country?
In a recent interview, Tim Russert of Meet the Press reminded Hillary that the now famous and tragic resolution giving Bush the go ahead to invade the sovereign nation of Iraq was titled: The Authorization For Use of Military Force Against Iraq.
She now claims she thought the vote was to send in more inspectors. She didn't read the title? Clearly, this woman is a fraud and can not be trusted. Either that or she's somewhat dim.
You want a real woman for president? Cynthia McKinney (former Congresswoman, GA) will run on a third party ticket. Check out her record and then compare it with Hillary Clinton's record.
Adele, I think ezeflyer doesn't fully trust Edwards' conversion to being a populist. I don't think Ralph does either, but what's our choice, realistically speaking? Maybe he won't go as far as we want him to go, but maybe he will go much further than anyone else who has a chance of winning the presidency.
There is no question in my mind that Hillary or Obama will not make the corporations unhappy if either of them become president, but Edwards has drawn a line. It seems to me that since he has stepped out of line, and he's smart enough to know the consequences (being ignored by the Ministry of Information and reviled by the corporations) that he wouldn't do this just to attract votes. From the first, the Corporatocracy has indicated its comfort with Hillary and Obama, and the media has fawned over them accordingly. The horse race is on. No matter who wins, the corporatocracy wins. That's the plan, and the public is as usual ignorantly following their rules. You know, the old lesser of two evils.
kathyodat
Gringos don't have feelings.
They are completely autistic.
Does anyone in the MSM either notice or care that our society, our nation, our constitution, is in crisis?
It should be front page news that a major defense contractor and weapons manufacturer, General Electric, is deciding to keep the Peace candidates off the public airways.
That is a clear conflict of interest.
One big difference between now and during Viet Nam is that the defense contractors have bought all the big media companies in the interim.
Please do anything you can to pressure NBC/GE to allow Kucinich in the debates, and Gravel should be there too. If you are on the ballot, that should qualify you to make your pitch on the public airways.
Bill Maher on Charlie Rose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Sd3V0DRUg&feature=related
"It would be good for both her campaign and the presidential race in general if Mrs. Clinton does find her own voice."
What blatant hypocrisy. Hilarious voted to authorize war on both Iraq and Iran. She traded millions of innocent lives in exchange for cash from the fascists at AIPAC and the oil lobby. We're supposed to care whether she says Obama is "very likeable." I'm sure her tortured victims are touched by these moments when she finds her "own voice."
Nothing good can come out of the New York Times. Rich, Herbert, and Krugman are the newspaper's nattering, token liberals, only there to distract gullible readers from the owners' underlying imperialist, reactionary agenda. Does anyone who cares about their country care what the two war criminals Clinton and Obama think or do? They think and do what they're paid to think and do. Ignore the MSM charade.
When is the MSM going to get serious about the real issues that Americans are concerned about? It appears to be more newsworthy to discuss inuendos and fluff over the real problems. No one is discussing pulling the troops out of Iraq or how we are going to help Iraq rebuild, or why do we need the largest most fortified embassy in the world in Iraq, or in a year of economic meltdown how it is going to be fixed? Etc. So far I haven't heard any changes coming from anyone but Gravel, Kucinich and Paul. However, the lobbyists from the drug companies, the insurance companies, the munitions industry and the other corporations that have a solid grip on these golden eggs are not even letting their voices be heard. I don't hold out much hope for
Democracy or the Constitution in a country that has literally been hijacked before our very noses. Anyone that the MSM will choose for the White House will continue with all of the abuses that the current administration has so cleverly intoduced. No wonder Congress hasn't been willing to bring any to account for all of the digressions that have taken place. We will not be voting for a President, we will be voting for a new King (or Queen). I guess voting is better than succession.
Adele said:
"But ezeflyer, what were YOU thinking, including Edwards as one of the "oligarchy's choice?"
kathyodat answered:
"Adele, I think ezeflyer doesn't fully trust Edwards' conversion to being a populist. I don't think Ralph does either, but what's our choice, realistically speaking? Maybe he won't go as far as we want him to go, but maybe he will go much further than anyone else who has a chance of winning the presidency."
Just so, kathyodat. But I'm not convinced he could or would do (undo) much with conservatives against him. Remember how Carter and Clinton came under siege? The oligarchy can make or break a President by screwing with the economy, using dirty tricks, etc. during his tenure to make him look bad.
With conservative and liberal support, Paul could address some our most pressing issues and Gravel's National Initiative for Democracy could make the systemic changes needed to make sure another Bush doesn't happen again by letting We the People become the deciders, as it should be.
Detriment of Iowa & New Hamshire Carnivals
Again, the over hyped carnivals in Iowa and NH have eliminated our most valuable candidates, even with less than 2 % of the national population. This underscores the vital needs for reforms in our presidential selection processes, which are now more evident than ever.
Campaigning should be limited to two months, with no such Iowa & NH events. This would allow candidates ample time to present their positions, with less opportunities for deceptive slander. Contributions should be limited to ~ $100. Television and newspaper coverage should be publically financed to allow viable candidates equal public access. Popular voting should replace the electoral college system, which was enacted because of the difficulties of counting all votes at that time. Paper ballots should be mandatory.
Presidents should be limited one six year term. This would eliminate their need to appease special interests for re-election, which was why this stipulation was included in the 1861 Confederate Constitution. A confidence vote after 22 months would provide voters the needed opportunity to amend their vote in special cases.
SINCE 1492 — When you mention that you "still say it's a complete waste of time", I can hazard a guess why it is so.
Perhaps it is the wasting of our virtual deMOKERYacy, that is being
hidden, by having dutiful servants of the realm, go through all of
those motions, as if we still did NOT have something more important to
do.
Of course that more important would to be actually
creating a representative gov't, to replace the sham one, but the scope
of this realization is currently beyond 99.7% of Americans.
I CAN'T GITMO SATISFACTION
The message is clear ___ WE TORTURE ___
I am certain that this WE doesn't include ME any longer.
¿ _ D O E S __ I T __ I N C L U D E __ Y O U _ ?
Namaste … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Mahatma Gandhi … … … … … … … … … …
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A vote for Edwards, Kucinich or Gravel is a vote for Hillary.
If these folks were not in the race, those votes would go to obama.
the others have made great contributions but now they need to GET OUT.
Especially since the superprimary on Feb 5 is all only among the Democrats- those Independents and late registring youth cannot get into the door.
Every vote counts - it will be close
Please get Obama onto the ballot for everybone in the Fall.
Ain't no sunshine when she's gone. The nation is in a fog. We have amused ourselves to death.The corporate structure does whatever it takes to preserve the status quo. Whether it's Barackus Obamus or Hilarius Clintonus it's still just another emporer. Another corporate caretaker. The only winner is again the military industrial media complex. Look how much campaign money goes pouring into the coffers of big media.
Metamorph says--
"A vote for Edwards, Kucinich or Gravel is a vote for Hillary.
If these folks were not in the race, those votes would go to obama."
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Metamorph I am not sure how old you are or how long your memory, but your argument is just recycled Nader-bashing from 8 years ago and the correct answer to your proposition above is:
If Edwards, Gravel, or Kucinich were not in the race most of their support wouldn't vote in the general or primary elections period. I know that there are a lot of people for Obama who have for the present also been energized into voting for the first time.
The difference between them and those you are seeking to recruit to join the Barack O bandwagon is that (unlike Gravel, Edwards, or Kucinich) Barack O has said virtually nothing of substance worthy of such support and just like Hillary he has prostrated himself at the feet of corporate America for multiple million$ in $upport.
He is this political season's "fashion statement" for otherwise disinterested potential voters.
moonraven - Thanks for the insightful comment it really added to my understanding of the article, totally pointless!
Moonraven:
porque usted piensen que todos los gringos son locos? O que todos los gringos tienen autismo? Yo say que muchas de los gringos son malos, pero todo? Creo que no.
Quando, la gente pregunta a mi, de donde usted? Yo siempre dice que "Yo soy Gringo!"
Mira, mi amor, yo creo que usted es una gringa quien es muy brava con su pais - los estados unidos. Yo intiendo. Yo tambiend tengo muchos problemos con mi pais. Pero yo say, y usted tambien, que el problemo y el repuesto es aqui - en los estados.
Felicidades en el ano nuevo! Y mucho suerte! Gracias para todo!
Ramsay
Metamorph, Edwards is still in the running, and a better choice than Hillary/Obama. Even if the anticipated Democratic Congress is pro-corporate, overriding a progressive president's vetoes of bills favoring the corporations is risky business. It's an interesting season.
I'm a Kucinich/Nader voter and do not believe as some seem to do that the Democrats are entitled to my vote because I am not a Republican. The Democrats' behavior has forfeited my vote long ago. I might consider voting for Edwards if he gets the nomination. I'm still in a wait and see mode. Don't like his health care plan, I like HR 676, Kucinich's plan. Go see SiCKO, it's on DVD now.
kathyodat
Metamorph...I just changed my registration from Green to Democrat so I could vote for Edwards in the California Primary.
I assure you that if he was not on the ballot I would not have bothered and my Vote would NOT have gone to Obama, in the primary or in November.
Kathyodat is right. No one is entitled to my vote, they have to earn it. Edwards has a) some substance to what he says and b)a chance to win in Nov.
The other Dems have one or the other. Some have neither.
I haven't seen SICKO, however, I have read enough reviews to ascertain that Michael Moore made absolutely no attempt to provide an objective account of the American Health Care system. Anyone can find a slew of personal anecdotes that support their intended claim. In America, Moore only interviewed patients about health care without any perspective from health care workers. (Doctors, nurses, etc)
Gee, I think they might have something to add.
On another note, I am surprised to see all of the support for Edwards. Although I applaud his newfound anti-war status, he "became" much more anti-war on the day before the first caucus. This is just another example of the fact that Edwards doesn't really believe in or stand for much of anything. He is trying on election strategies. He has a great message lately, but he is so obviously insincere that he is unlikely to stick to any of it if elected.
jstevens. Michael Moore certainly did interview doctors and nurses, even in the other countries.
Unfortunately, so many people delegate their thinking to the reviewers and reporters who are the agents of the corporations and globalists that are raping this nation, that they don't even know they are getting screwed, or perhaps they are enjoying it, I do not know (maybe that mind control technology really is advanced)
Anyways, here are some links for Moores site
http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/links-resources/
National Nurses Organizing Committee
The National Nurses Organizing Committee is a new national union and professional organization for Registered Nurses, Advance Practice Nurses, and RN organizations throughout the country who want to pursue a more powerful agenda - including getting national, guaranteed health care for life in the United States.
http://www.calnurses.org/nnoc/
Physicians for a National Health Program
Physicians for a National Health Program is a nonprofit organization of 14,000 physicians, medical students and health professionals who support single-payer national health insurance. Go to their site to read all the great research put together by PNHP, and learn how to support their efforts.
http://www.pnhp.org/
As a theory for marketing Burson-Marsteller corporate clients like Microsoft and AT&T - or for selling a third Clinton term - Mr. Penn's vision may make sense.
Sounds like fascism-as-usual.
KUCINICH is the only true PROGRESSIVE in Words & Deeds(Votes in Congress) Heck, for trying to IMPEACH Cheney he gets my Vote!
Question(about 'wasting' votes) I know in Hawaii he came in second to Kerry in 04 & actually got delegates to the Convention...How about the Big States?..Cali,NY,Texas,etc...Are they 'winner take all' or do candidates get a precentage of delagtes equal to their vote totals?..what's the magic number to win at the convention?...can Edwards,Kucinich give their totals to Obama for instance?...
In a perfect world;
the electorate would demand details from its candidates for office. In this world we want emotional drivel.
the media would impartially report on the idea and ideals of all the candidates, not just those acceptable to its advertisers.
we would have an election that ran for 60 days and cost little to nothing. This might just take the power of the campaign check out of the equation.
We might see candidates actually pandering to the electorate and not to those with the money necesary to win the race.
We would have an intelligent and thoughtful voting public and not a mob responding to emotional appeal and empty of content half truths.
A shame this isnt a perfect world.
We have been crying change for years and years. All we get back is shut up and pay your taxes!!
I think that 99% of the good changes that you want will come directly from you, right where you are, and not from a presidential candidate or from Washington. It is what you do right where you are that builds movements that eventually forces Washington to respond in more positive ways. Ignore the candidates. The movement must mature before change can take place. Build it and they will come.
None of the candidates can really deliver "change" because they are almost all owned by the corporations that fund their campaigns and then keep them in office. Certainly this is true of Obama and Clinton. The whole election thing is a complete sham...it's only so that we the sheeple believe we live in a democracy when actually "corporatocracy" is the best definition for our political system.
Candidates are funded by corporations and, if they are successful, they then vote for those policies that the corporations advocate and support so that those corporations continue to support and fund them. Voters have NO say in policy-making...that's why we live in a corporatocracy not a democracy--it's not rule "by and for the people," it's "by and for the corporations."
The ONLY vote we really have is what we buy. Since corporations are really making policy, it doesn't matter WHO we elect...the only thing that matters here is which corporations are in control--and they, in turn, are controlled by the profits that we make possible. Every time you buy something you are "voting" for the social and foreign policy that the corporation who made/sold that product supports.
Buy responsibly!
MiMiCcS:
Thank you for the links. At first glance, I saw nurses lobbying for standards regarding a more resasonable nurse to patient ratio, with which I completely agree.
I guess I will just have to watch SICKO myself. I have been avoiding it because I don't want to lend financial support (buying movie ticket) to what I believe to be a biased endeavor. Even though Moore certainly has some valid points, I prefer a more objective account than he is likely to provide.
Looks like Edwards is the default candidate for Kucinich supporters who don't expect him to last much longer.
Edwards has a despicable history up until this election when he decided to reinvent himself. (A talent he clearly possesses). He voted for the war. Gag! He made millionsfor himself by ambulance chasing. Driving up everyone's health care costs by splitting enormous rewards with a handful of people. One family received over $20 million because Edwards was able to convince a jury that the obstetrician caused birth trauma. We now know that this particular affliction occurs early on in pregnancy, can not be avoided, and can not be blamed on the physician. Do you think Edwards gave his money back?
His M.O. as a trial attorney in malpractice cases was to pretend like he was a baby in court crying "Please let me out of the womb. Please. I can't breathe." The jury bought it.
Because of people like him, OB doctors have to pay enormous rates for malpractice insurance. These costs are passed on to everyone, while just a handful enjoy a huge payout.
Edwards is saying all the right things. I love his strong anti-war stance and his global warming proposals. I can see that he doesn't mean any of it. I would much rather have a candidate who believed in something. This man is no Kucinich.
Please do not condescend to women, Mr Rich. Obama, and I am not a supporter, didn't do anything I wouldn't have done, as a woman, in response to Clinton's latest coy, porr little me act.
that was exactly what he was responding to.
Please do not assume to speak for women as being as gullible as you are limiting the horserace to Clinton and Obama re: content, while leaving Edwards out of the conversation completely--the only one who actually addresses anything of substance.
Whenever I hear a candidate issuing pabulum like "We need to end the bitter divisiveness and partisanship" and "We need to heal the wounds inflicted" and bring about "national unity," I get the feeling that the candidate's prescription for the nation's ills is a strong sedative, an opiate, so the patient will feel comfortable and not resist as the patient accepts the patient's destiny, probably as road kill.
Another comparison that comes to mind is that with the German soldier in "Saving Private Ryan" who is pushing the knife deep into the US soldier's chest and as the dying US soldier begins to cry out, the German motions that he should be quiet, as it is better not to make so much of a fuss about dying.
However, I would add that all people evolve throughout their lives, including all politicians and especially presidential candidates, and the voter should recognize any ongoing evolutionary process and try to determine the likelihoods of what each candidate may become, given the candidate's past, current trajectory, and political and social environment.
Re: ezeflyer... Kucinich may be the best, but he has no support among conservatives.
But most Americans polled are NOT conservatives. Most Americans recognize that support for the Republicans or the Neo-Republicans (Hillary) means a continuation of the raping of the American taxpayer to pay for useless, military hardware. Americans generally are not military types. Instead they are tolerant of gay marriage, not overly religious, believe in a social safety net and don't care what gender or race any particular candidate is. Universal health care (not-for-profit) sits well with the vast majority, as does an immediate end to war in Iraq. I'd even venture to say that most Americans don't buy into this whole terrorism crap and realize that inner city crime, poverty and unregulated corporations pose a greater threat to Americans than a few cave dwellers in the Hindu-Kush Mountains.
As for the so-called conservative mantra of adhering to lower taxes, everyone wishes for that, but no candidate ever talks about our biggest tax burden (The military industrial complex) that is about to bankrupt the middle class. Simply replacing the MIC with practical alternatives like national infrastructure, universal health care, tackling poverty, providing free post-K12 education, advancing environmental alternatives and preventing predatory corporations from pissing off our global neighbours, would do far more for American security than killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's and Afghans each year!
As far as I can see it's Dennis Kucinich versus all of the rest (Republicans and Democrats) who are nothing more than corporate puppets on the national stage.
jstevens, I am a Registered Nurse, and glad to hear your mind is open enough to watch SiCKO (it's on DVD now). I promise you will learn things about our health care system you did not know. I did, and I thought I knew a lot. There is a good reason why the California Nurses Association is promoting SiCKO. Our health care system is the second worst example of corporate brutality - the military-industrial complex being #1. Both show the unlimited corporate willingness to kill for profit. The only constraint on them is if they push it too far, the public may notice and object. So far, it hasn't. But not enough people have seen SiCKO or watched Why We Fight.
kathyodat