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Anti-War Lessons From New Hampshire
Thousands of idealists marched door-to-door through the snows and delivered a decisive message that the times were changing. From that moment forward, the establishment and its war policies began disintegrating from within.
The year was 1968. The insurgent campaign was on behalf of Senator Eugene McCarthy.
I am wondering if anyone in New Hampshire even remembered the McCarthy campaign in the blur that was last week in New Hampshire.
Did Senator Hillary Clinton remind voters that she was one of those volunteers who took on President Johnson and his war? Did Senator Barack Obama invoke the memory of that last great youth crusade? Did Senator John Edwards remember that it was principally the Vietnam War, not domestic issues, that aroused those populist passions?
While the Democratic contenders rushed through their ambiguous rhetoric about "ending the war," the actual Iraq War continued as a bleeding reality, safely unchallenged. Clinton promised to end the war "in the right way," not explaining that ominous phrase. Obama and Edwards, when given the chance, noticed no differences from her on Iraq. The mainstream media supported General David Petraeus's rosy depiction of the surge. The bloggers kept up their jihad to exorcize Hillary, leaving the war as background. The anti-war movement never had a voice, marginalized as electoral amateurs in the blizzard of sound bites and soap opera drama.
The war went on, however. As noted in a pro-war op-ed piece in the New York Times, the number of Iraqis in prison doubled in 2007, the number of US air strikes increased seven-fold, and the segregation of Iraqis into sectarian fiefs increased. The number of Americans killed last year was nearly 1,000, but that news went largely unreported.
If either John McCain or Rudolph Guiliani become the Republican nominee, the Iraq War will return to presidential politics full-force, with the Democrats placed on the defensive. Then the independent political committees will need to enter the Iraq debate with a strong counter-message representing the tens of millions of anti-war voters in November. What the counter-message will be is unknown, especially since the Democrats seem to be lessening and blurring their emphasis on Iraq and national security.
Heading into Super Tuesday, Hillary Clinton is gaining momentum and Barack Obama suddenly finds himself imperiled. The reason is that the primaries ahead are largely confined to Democratic voters, where Clinton holds the margin. Obama's edge has come from independents. He can and must win South Carolina, or face huge odds on February 5. Obama desperately needs the John Edwards voters, but Edwards shows no sign of abandoning the race, despite the fact that he is unlikely to win a single primary. The math is simple: Clinton wins if the anti-Clinton vote is split between Obama and Edwards.
Someone needs to restore Iraq to the center of the Democratic debate rather than waiting for McCain and media to exploit the surge. As I wrote nearly one year ago, the military surge in Iraq would bolster the possibilities of a McCain (and Joe Lieberman) ticket in 2008; and it has. Gen. Petraeus has succeeded in his strategic goal of "setting back the clock" in Washington and buying time for the US occupation to survive the political debates of 2008.
If Obama wants to win, he needs to sharpen his differences with Clinton immediately, going beyond style to substance, especially on Iraq. He needs to point out the differences that everyone in the political and media worlds, and therefore the voters, are missing. Under the five-year Clinton plan, while the good news is that US combat troops would be withdrawn gradually, tens of thousands of "advisers" and counter-terrorism forces would stay in Iraq to fight a counterinsurgency war like Central America in the 1970s. That is a plan to lessen American casualties and wind down the war on television, while still authorizing a nasty low-visibility one. It is impossible to criticize the CIA's secret torture methods and turn a blind eye to what happens every day in Iraq's detention centers complete with their US trainers and funding. With the Clinton plan, American advisers and special forces are likely to be filling those detention centers through 2013. As one expert says, "Detain thousands more Iraqis as security threats, and the potential for violence inevitably declines."
Obama could, if he wished, say that a plan to have Americans fighting in Iraq through the next President's first term is not a peace plan but a five-year war plan filled with risk for American soldiers. He could make the comparisons to Central America. He could point out the impossibility of funding Iraq, Afghanistan and national health care.
There is a solid basis for making these assertions. John Podesta, President Clinton's former chief of staff and a close associate of Hillary Clinton, has been arguing for the withdrawal of all US troops, including advisers, on a one-year schedule. Podesta, alone within the Beltway establishment, has complained of "strategic drift" among Democratic national security advisers who are avoiding the public mandate for peace. Obama could simply cite President Clinton's former chief of staff in calling for a more rapid peace timetable.
Taking this position could gain traction for Obama among the voters he needs, anti-war Democrats, who currently see little if any difference between himself and Clinton over Iraq.
But chances are Obama won't take this course, not because he is timid, but because he himself believes in leaving an ample role for continued counterinsurgency and advisers as American combat troops are withdrawn. His chief difference with Clinton over Iraq is over the specific pace of withdrawing combat troops--Obama promises a sixteen-to-eighteen- month timetable--but he has not sharpened whatever differences he has over the role of the advisers, counter-terrorism units, and Halliburton-type contractors.
Obviously, Clinton herself could adopt the recommendations of her husband's former chief of staff. But she has not done so for many months, and is unlikely to change her game plan now.
The possibility of Edwards using the Iraq issue was very real only two weeks ago when he told the New York Times he favored withdrawing all troops within one year. But when asked in the national debates days later whether there were any differences over Iraq, Edwards failed to respond, for whatever reason, passing on the very opportunity he had created. It would not have saved him, as it might now help Obama climb back.
Clinton therefore may be safely beyond Democratic pressures on Iraq, but the issue will haunt her campaign if she succeeds in maintaining the momentum towards November. How will she distinguish herself from McCain, if the former POW is the nominee? Will she choose Wesley Clark as her vice-presidential nominee, in an effort to narrow the differences with McCain (or another Republican nominee)? How will she respond to the Republican attack machine on Iraq while seeking to strengthen her national security image?
By 2009, under either administration, US military forces will be bogged down in quagmires in Iraq, Afghanistan and probably Pakistan. The McCarthy-era Democrats, born in the snows of New Hampshire, will be wandering the deserts of Mesopotamia. A hopeful new generation at home could become bogged down in a political quagmire of their own depression. Who then will be calling for peace if this worst of all worlds comes to pass?
Tom Hayden is a former state senator and leader of Sixties peace, justice and environmental movements. He currently teaches at Pitzer College in Los Angeles. His books include The Port Huron Statement [new edition], Street Wars and The Zapatista Reader.
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Show AllSaila,
Single Transferable Voting is the solution. Maybe you should consider voting for the only candidate in this race who has authored legislation to revolutionize the American "political system/voting process": BARACK OBAMA
http://fairvote.org/?page=1755
"Senator Barack Obama said on Friday that if elected president, he would impose new lobbying restrictions on members of his administration and seek to end a system of no-bid contracts that he says is riddled by abuse."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/23/us/politics/23campaign.html
Senator Barack Obama, an Illinois Democrat who was tapped by leaders to oversee ethics overhaul, said the legislation would "ensure that committees aren't slipping in earmarks in the dead of night."
After overcoming resistance inside his own party, Mr. Obama pushed for a provision requiring, for the first time, disclosure by lobbyists who bundle political contributions of more than $15,000 in six months.
"My argument was that it was worth it for us to try to be aggressive on this front, particularly since we were just coming into power," Mr. Obama said, adding that he wished the rules could be enforced by an outside group. "I do think that the public would have more confidence in the process if we had an independent enforcement mechanism."
"Congress Backs Tighter Rules on Lobbying"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/washington/03lobby.html
I'm sorry for all of you good guys. Not a dime of difference between Obama, Clinton, Edwards, and Mc Cain. And not a chance in hell for Kucinich to be elected. You have only two small problems to solve:
1) Your political system/voting process sucks. It is corrupt to the core. You're wasting your time talking about how to milk the cow when in reality all you've got is a bull. It's the animal that's got to be replaced.
2) You are just a progressive drop in a sea of unenlightened consumers (not citizens). I see no prospect for you to be able to educate the herd and bring them to see your point of view. I'm sorry, you are in a wrong society, and you will suffer. You have my sympathy.
Not a dimes worth of difference. Obomba wants to leave troops behind to "protect our bases" - he ain't leaving anytime soon.
Silly article. Again no mention of Kucinich. This is a typical example how the mainstream media marginalizes a truly progressive candidate. The only candidate that has consistently spoke out against the war from day one with detailed solutions to end the genocide immediately. For Christ's sake... there are only six candidates in the God damn primary!!!!
No mention either that Bill Clinton only got 3% of the votes in Iowa the first time he ran, making Iowa pretty much a meaningless primary... unless you are a conniving corporate sycophant using all the necessary rhetoric to blur your true allegiance to the powers that be.
I'd have to agree with the majority of the CD readers… the fix is in!
McCain- Lieberman, now that sounds scary - and a distinct possiblity as Bush seeks to escalate confrontation with Iran. Is he pursuing that course to support the Republican ticket by bringing security issues to the forefront?
Looks like I'll be supporting Kucinich in the NJ primary and hopefully Cynthia McKinnick with the Green Party come November.
Thank you, Tom for an insightful article - where ARE the voices for peace?
What is wrong with this article is the "status quo" logic about "being bogged down in quagmires".
When will we ever learn?
I'm still voting for Kucinich in my state's primary next month. World War Three would make the first two look like a Fourth of July celebration.
"If Obama wants to win, he needs to sharpen his differences with Clinton immediately, going beyond style to substance, especially on Iraq. He needs to point out the differences that everyone in the political and media worlds, and therefore the voters, are missing."
But first he's gotta dump Zbigniew Brzezinski as his adviser. Americans buzzed-out on Obama's rhetoric of hope, change, and e pluribus unem are only too willing to forget that one of pax americana's biggest cheerleaders happens to be shaping the direction of Obama's campaign. For crissake, America, wake up from your drug-induced reveries!
zoya - what you said - AMEN
By putting McCain and/or Lieberman /Huckabee Huckabee together McCain automatically ensures that the evangelical base supports the ticket through its connections with CUI (Christians United for Israel). A frightening thought either way.
Peaceman is correct; the whole concept of war as the natural state of humanity has to be denounced, but such denunciations will not flow from a populace that is drunk on materialsim, t.v., and self-gratification. Until we begin to educate our children differently, teach respect for all human life, denounce various forms of aggression, and reward humanity for its civility instead of its destructiveness, nothing will change, and in fact, will continue to get worse. At some point - there will be nothing left to 'get worse.'
odoco,
Well said! I can't add to it. Your words are beautiful and IT IS that simple!
Despite all the polls showing that a majority of Americans want us out of Iraq, and now sooner than later, we end up (after New Hampshire) with John "let's stay in Iraq for 100 years" and "bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran" McCain, and with Hillary "I voted-for-the-war, funded-the-war, and plan-on-keeping-us-there-for-at-least-five-more-years" Clinton as the frontrunners. What gives? If people hate this war as much as they say, why are the war mongers the lead candidates? I just don't get it.
If the USA doesn't elect the only real antiwar candidate---Ron Paul---it will deserve every catastrophe "perpetual war for perpetual peace" can bring upon a country.
Right -- not a dime's worth of difference between Clinton or Obama in policy. Our elections are SHAMS. We don't get anyone for president that the Bilderberg Group didn't approve of. That's why a decent intelligent highly-qualified honest peaceful man like Dennis Kucinich doesn't have a chance in this CESSPOOL of politics in the United States of Fascism.
Good grief, Tom, what are you smoking? This assertion is simply baloney:
"The possibility of Edwards using the Iraq issue was very real only two weeks ago when he told the New York Times he favored withdrawing all troops within one year. But when asked in the national debates days later whether there were any differences over Iraq, Edwards failed to respond..."
Edwards has said repeatedly (and it's right on his website!) that: "By leaving Iraq, America will prompt the Iraqi people, regional powers, and the entire international community to find the political solution that will end the sectarian violence and create a stable Iraq. We must show the Iraqis that we are serious about leaving by actually starting to leave, with an immediate withdrawal of 40,000-50,000 troops and a complete withdrawal within nine to ten months. We should leave behind in Iraq only a brigade of 3,500 to 5,000 troops to protect the embassy and possibly a few hundred troops to guard humanitarian workers."
What is it about his position that you don't get? Or do you just dislike the guy, for some obscure reasons of your own?
As one who's very eager to end this misbegotten war, I'm hugely disappointed in you.
None, (ie, NONE) of the candidates in the running from either side have any plans ouf getting us out of Iraq, period! Get ready for a busy '08 of demonstrations and marches. If the news stations don't cover the demonstrations as they haven't in the past, then the second day of the marches should be to the news headquarters; choking off the streets and sidewalks to these buildings.
Please don't complain. You got exactly the government you deserve. Look what you've done in the recent election in NH. You cast the most votes for the top two warmongers: Clinton and McCain. What do you then expect to emerge out of the White House? Jesus?
Don't give me a brake; give me an accelerator so I can get out of here.
odoco, have you read "The Great Turning" by David Korten? It is a beautiful book talking about the wonderful possible future that the people of the Earth could have if they turn away from war and greed.
Sometimes, I look at my friends and I feel great hope. Other times I look at the yahoos and I feel great despair.
All we can do is to keep on trying to speak out for peace, justice and sustainable living.
Tom Hayden of all people makes no distinction between his day in the Vietnam sun and the Arab/Muslim world. Moreover, he does not assess California voters in this maelstrom where security and economy is on everybody's priority list.
Bill Richardson just withdrew on a platform of withdrawing all troops within one year.
Barack Obama talks about responsible withdrawal.
McCain calls for bringing the troops home with honor.
The voters in 2004 were unclear about what they wanted. "Change" appears to be the message. What we do know is that those who died, were wounded or risked their lives must not be in vain. Rather, it is a long overdue investment in the Middle East regardless of the folly of invading Iraq.
None of the candidates have recognized the importance of maintaining an international peace-keeping force in the Arab/Muslim world. Nobody is specific about a diplomatic and economic "surge", not to mention radical Islamic terrorism that still abounds. Unlike Vietnam, the U.S. and the international community is dealing with a strategic part of the world militarily, economically (oil) and politically (Arab/Muslims).
The question is, will Tom Hayden lead and listen as part of a new majority or remain a divisive wound that has yet to heal?
"Heading into Super Tuesday, Hillary Clinton is gaining momentum and Barack Obama suddenly finds himself imperiled."
Obama lost by 3 points in New Hampshire. Clinton lost by 9 in Iowa. Richardson's 5% in New Hampshire votes will most likely go to Obama in future run-offs. People voting for Edwards and Kucinich should beware of what they're really purchasing with their vote. Today John Kerry endorsed Barack Obama and the Culinary Workers Union endorsed Barack Obama in Nevada. Obama still has the momentum. He has proved Hillary is not inevitable and that she will have to fight for every vote.
As for Hayden's withdrawal plan, when are people going to realize that withdrawing American troops has to go hand in hand with enabling an Iraqi political process to go forward? Using diplomacy to reconfigure the relationship between Iraqi workers and Oil companies; Turkey and Kurdistan; Iran, the MEK based in Iraq, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran)and the new Shi'a political majority in Iraq? Much less Al Qaeda, Saudi Arabia, and the new Sunni political minority in Iraq? Or the Baath Party in Syria and whatever remnants exist of the Baath Party in Iraq?
James Madison, Federalist #10 on the Tyranny of the Majority: "Among the numerous advantages promised by a well-constructed Union, none deserves to be more accurately developed than its tendency to break and control the violence of faction...No man is allowed to be a judge in his own cause, becasue his interest would certainly bias his judgment, and, not improbably, corrupt his integrity...Yet the parties are, and must be, themselves, the judges; and the most numerous party, or, in other words, the most powerful faction must be expected to prevail...It is in vain to say that enlightened statesmen will be able to adjust the clashing interests, and render them all subservient to the pulbic good. Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm...Extend the sphere, and you take in a greater variety of parties and interests; you make it less probable that a majority of the whole will have a common motive to invade the rights of other citizens..."
Removing American troops is not going to necessarily end the civil war. Rather, the idea behind gradual withdrawal and encouraging a federal system in Iraq is that it is going to incentive Iraq's political leaders to end it and give them timelines of what to expect as American troops withdaw and as Iraq's security becomes dependent on them. It is simply false to state that removing every single American troop (even those providing humanitarian aid and guarding the US embassy?) will solve the Iraqi political crisis in and of itself. As Obama has said "We have to be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in." There are no easy solutions, and it's simply dishonest for Hayden to imply there are. It is not in the interest of Iraqis that Americans simply withdraw without enabling them to envision their own future as we do so. What does Hayden think will happen if we simply weren't there? He doesn't know. And it is in the interest of Iraqis that there are timelines so that they can as people in small and large groupings and solidarities properly evaluate what the withdrawal of Americans will mean to the future of their state/lives.
We should focus on who voted for this war, and who opposed it. Obama opposed it people. Get your head out of your ass.
Question: On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114 )
Vote Date: October 11, 2002, 12:50 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2
Measure Number: H.J.Res. 114
Measure Title: A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
YEAs —77 Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Bennett (R-UT) Biden (D-DE) Bond (R-MO) Breaux (D-LA) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Campbell (R-CO) Cantwell (D-WA) Carnahan (D-MO) Carper (D-DE) Cleland (D-GA) Clinton (D-NY) Cochran (R-MS) Collins (R-ME) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) Daschle (D-SD) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Domenici (R-NM) Dorgan (D-ND) Edwards (D-NC) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Feinstein (D-CA) Fitzgerald (R-IL) Frist (R-TN) Gramm (R-TX) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Hatch (R-UT) Helms (R-NC) Hollings (D-SC) Hutchinson (R-AR) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Johnson (D-SD) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Miller (D-GA) Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Nickles (R-OK) Reid (D-NV) Roberts (R-KS) Rockefeller (D-WV) Santorum (R-PA) Schumer (D-NY) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-NH) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stevens (R-AK) Thomas (R-WY) Thompson (R-TN) Thurmond (R-SC) Torricelli (D-NJ) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)
NAYs —23 Akaka (D-HI) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Byrd (D-WV) Chafee (R-RI) Conrad (D-ND) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Graham (D-FL) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Kennedy (D-MA) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Reed (D-RI) Sarbanes (D-MD) Stabenow (D-MI) Wellstone (D-MN) Wyden (D-OR)
A 9/11 every day for fifteen years
If 1,000,000 people have died as a result of the American air strikes and other bombings and violence in Iraq since March of 2003, and 500,000 died, mostly elderly and children, due to the sanctions imposed during the Clinton years, we have killed 1.5 million Iraqis. Since there are only about 26 million Iraqis, total and there are 300 million Americans, you have to multiply by 12 to get an equivalent effect.
12 x 1.5 = 18. So our violence against that country is like 18 million Americans killed.
3,000 people were killed in the U.S. on 9/11/2001. While Iraq had nothing to do with those events, I think it is a useful comparison to relate the fact that we have inflicted death on that small, yet oil rich country the equivalent of 6000 9/11s.
That is a 9/11 a day for over 16 years.
To argue that there is some sort of justice in a reduced level of violence in Iraq is like Himmler bragging about a reduction in poison gas costs at Auschwitz when the camp population numbers fell.
If those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it, then does that mean that those who succeed at remembering history are doomed not to repeat it?
We need to be fully present in this moment to do something glorious without always having it compared to the 60's. We need the space to create new legends now.
Boomers, get over yourselves. Great stuff, to be sure, but enough already! How many public broadcasting fundraising weeks must we endure? What are WE going to do NOW?
Clark Kent huh? - looks who's talking hahahahahah!
Come on Tom, put away the Kool-aid.
Obama is no different than Hillary on Iraq,
Plus, he wants to build up the military with
100,000 more men. Will he start drafting those
18 yr old Rock-star supporters for his new army?
Obama is to young, to inexperienced, especially
if he is getting advice from Zeebenew Brinzinski of the
International 7 club, that outfit, that has all
those establishment apple polishers in the club.
Doesn't Jimmy Carter belong to that Club?
What has that Club done for the common good of us poor working classes?
Ron Paul was always against the war. It wasn't only Dennis. The flag flyers only see their party. They don't see what evil this war has done to this country.
If John McCain succeeds in winning the presidency, there will not be a war he doesn't like. That being true, you can be assured of a draft, because right now there are not enough troops to fight more wars.
And if the solution to the above is carpet bombing, then think of the civilians that will be slaughtered.
Think, America!
yes, it's disturbing to think that, in many substantial ways, most near and dear to ME, Obama represents the status quo. I remain unsure exactly what "change" he is in the vanguard of, despite the overwhelming web presence of his supporters.
Last fall, I marvelled that Obama was a great "asset" to Clinton. He allowed her to ignore Edwards, who I felt was a more real adversary. Somehow we have gotten to this point and Obama-mania seems to be about to sweep up the party. Kerry has endorsed Obama. There is much speculation about Kennedy and Gore. There are scary accusations that somehow if you fail to "support" Obama you're on the wrong side of history. Is it fear of rout if Hillary is the nominee? Is it fear that all those young voters will go somewhere else? How strong a force is anyone-but-Clinton when measured against pro-Obama? IMHO Edwards represents more significant "change" .... and so far he's been "neutralized", ignored, discounted.
As a long time registered Democrat who has voted Green many times, I resent like hell this full court press to not only ignore Edwards (who I like) and to -- NOT ONLY -- add to the media pile-on of Clinton, but -- FURTHER -- to eliminate Clinton as a contender altogether, yesterday, based on Iowa and New Hampshire.
I wonder not "if", but "when" some of Clinton's rich, powerful early endorsers will jump ship to the "new kid in town" ... smelling blood on the ground, wanting to back a winner and get invited to the inaugural ball and all that jazz.
Aside from the GOP/RW attacks which will be deafening, I worry that that an Obama without rivals will give rise to third parties. By many accounts, Obama is not the liberal many are assuming he is, even if he is demographically A.W.E.S.O.M.E. Despite his no vote 4 years ago, he's on the wrong side wrt to Iraq for him to ever be my "first choice" but neither was Clinton.
I think he is an oddly fitting "hero" for his supporters who previously certainly appeared to be apolitical, conformist consumerist, "why aren't I rich yet?" "libertarian" types. Gauzy, vague, all things to all people ... Oh well, live and learn ... I just hope the fizz disipates soon.
I am constantly amazed, frustrated , and saddened from our "progressive leaders" like Hayden, Michael Moore, and even Ralph Nader who consistently refuse to consider Dennis Kucinch above Obama & Edwards.
Why do I feel like we are in some cheap thriller movie, trapped in a soundproof area banging on the window trying to warn the hero that something evil is sneaking up on them?
BTW ddell413, I felt Ron Paul was very courageous for the stand he took during the ABC NH debate. He really laid the message on the war and its effect on our economy quite well. And all the rest of the candidates just looked like someone had just farted tremendously, and went on praising Bush & the war.
It doesn't matter who wants them to stay or leave, ultimately they will leave. Its just a matter of how much more time, money , and human lives are to be expended.
The lesson is don't start wars and end them by ending them. Hit an emergency siren and proceed to the exit out of every foreign base.
We will wait for a thousand years and never find a good time to leave.
DENNIS KUCINICH! What are they afraid of? Ha, their scared shitless. The Insurance companies, the ones who make profit off of the failed occupation, ,the whole damn government including(Hilary, Obama, Edwards, and all the rest of them, Except Dr. Paul, but he's too pro life for me ) are afraid of change. And don't give that crap about Eddie bein for the little guy. Hell, he's probably still in bed with Fortress Group Investments. Google that! But maybe Dennis' time is not yet here. No, if Dennis wont quit on us, (Think Richardson), Then I wont quit on him. Thanks Tex
I totally agree. Obama needs to win SC. Obama and Edwards need to reach a coalition to take on Hillary. There is no way Hillary would win against McCain. That's just the sad truth - and really, I would not really care. After Hillary's last vote against Iran, I'd never be able to vote for her.
Saila, John Edwards is America's last best chance to kick out the bull and replace it with the cow. Obama and Clinton have already sold out to big money. Only Edwards is opting for public funding for his campaign financing.
So, all a vote for Obama or Clinton comes down to is more of the same meddling in other countries affairs for the benefit of multinational corporations and American hegemony, using the military not for self defense, but to unilaterally advance our foreign policy by other means, spending your tax dollars on larger military for empire, which means NO CHANGE.
What we really need is RADICAL CHANGE. Radical change starts by changing the decision-makers, taking control of our government away from corporate lobbyists and big money special interest groups. Obama and Clinton have already sold out to them. John Edwards is the only candidate offering radical change who has a chance to win.
So, if you want business as usual, Obama or Clinton will be fine, or you can shift paradigms and
VOTE EDWARDS for a WORLD OF CHANGE.
For all those who claim or wish that either Jonh Doe, Mary Moe, or Peter Poe would bring changes, I will quote a paragraph from John Chuckman's article in CounterPunch on Jan 10, 08. Don't miss reading that article:
"No candidate can deliver great change to America, and if one were even to behave in office as though he or she could do that, one strongly suspects that he or she would meet the fate of the Kennedy brothers in fairly short order."
Saila, I don't think that there is anyone more keenly aware of that than is John Edwards, in taking the stand against big corporate money controlling our government.
But Saila, some things ARE more important than one's own life. John knows this, having lost a son, and the battle his wife, Elizabeth, is waging agaist breast cancer. They both know it.
John knows that he is America's last best hope to avoid our slide into Fascism. If Edwards doesn't win, your going to get either Obama or Clinton anyway, no real difference, so why not give yourself a chance to win and
VOTE EDWARDS '08
Sorry to say this, but Tom Hayden's analysis is goofy.
Using 1968 for comparison, he's doing the equivalent of hoping that Hubert Humphrey becomes Eugene McCarthy. The main difference today is that we have several Humphreys running, and only a select few of them are getting attention, including from him.
"I am wondering if anyone in New Hampshire even remembered the McCarthy campaign..."
I am wondering whether Tom Hayden remembers. The McCarthy candidacy placed ideas at the forefront, not tactics in service of the status quo.
We had Humphrey as Democratic nominee, and Nixon beat him. To seek a better Humphrey in 2008 is a delusional tactic.
Hilary Klanton isn't any kind of Eugene McCarthy vintage 1968. She's a hard core trigger happy, war mongering, Goldwater Republican just like her husband, and always has been. The results in New Hamshire are weird as hell, with exit polls showing great hostility to W, but Klanton winning as the all out pro war, But doubtless, Diebold was on the job helping Klanton win, thus it might not be quite as bad as it seems. Also those stereotypical, sexist fake tears as referred to by Cindy Sheehan got some votes which they shouldn't have. When a woman does stereotypically sexist things such as this and simply because she might not get to the White House, it's brings to mind W's momma in 2000 when her son fell behind in the voting and she whined, "for a moment my son was going to be the president" or something equally as maudlin.
Edwards, as previously mentioned on this site, can be hawkish.
Don't mourn, build a fair and honest form of elections. Set up a voting booth in the street if that's all you have.
I only wish the media and corporate industries were scared of Kucinich and Paul! Sadly it appears to me that they aren't even a little scared - they have made the decision to sideline such campaigns and marginalize such messages with all the powers they have at their disposal - not out of fear but because they CAN!
They own the networks: they easily squelch any public appearance by candidates they don't want seen/heard. Then they simply use their "pundits" to denigrate whatever pieces of such messages squeeze through.
As long as America is complacent enough to get their NEWS from corporate owned media, they will have corporate approved candidacy(s). It's not like MSM is upholding factchecking or qualifying their sources anymore - so what makes them trustworthy?
Just check out the alternative candidate support blogs if you want to see how pervasive MSM's affect on our national conversation is... I consistently read about how "Whacko", "nutjob", "deluded" and "unelectable" all but Clinton and Obama are - people read and regurgitate these absurdities as a sideaffect of the shortsighted sophomoric pap that now passes as journalism in our MSM.
Where are the great investigators and journalists of old? Where are the men and women who's own need to know triumphed their need for inter-corporate awards and pay raises? Freedom of speech is nothing if those wielding the pens and microphones of the media are simply corporate hacks.
Perhaps this is how excellence is born... from the ashes of deceit and mediocrity rise the strong new voices who actually believe in something.
We the People need to have one National network on our airwaves and one National news outlet where all candidates have an equally accessible weekly forum, where there is no advertising and NO outside commentary. Candidates can provide their own links to the resources they want to use as reference and Americans can simply make their own choices sans any spin (and with the work of having discovered it for themselves). And... to take it one extreme further - ALL Politics should be banned from any of the corporate channels and newspapers. Let them earn their money actually reporting NEWS!
The MSM pundits love to talk about how Iraq has faded off the campaign trail. They've consistently lied to the American people about Bush's misadventures and the consequences to our military readiness, global stature, and economy.
I don't know where Hayden and The Nation stands vis-a-vis the MSM, but I do know that Diebold and a private, pro-GOP consulting firm LHS Associates programmed some 80% of the vote scan machines used in the New Hampshire primary.
I just posted my summary on bellaciao.org under the title "New Hampshire Rigged? Electronic Vote Fraud a Possibility" <a href="http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=16417"here.
If vote-rigging hasn't been stopped since the '04 Election--where I think it's been adequately documented--there's no reason to believe things have changed simply due to the passage of time.
The real question isn't where candidates stand on Iraq but rather whether or not our corrupted voting system will allow the popular choice to take office. Judging by the massive popular support for leaving Iraq, populism is a grave threat indeed for the corporate, Right-wing, and Israel-first constituencies who support a continuation of the occupation. The MSM is sustaining the self-image of the Good Germans who are letting the corruption continue, by presenting the charade of a Presidential pageant when the votes are counted by political insiders working on behalf of the Establishment.
US Corporate Elite Fear Candidate Edwards
By Kevin Drawbaugh
Reuters
Check out the article over at TruthOut -
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011108T.shtml
"Bought'n'paid for" and "Barack Obama" - Kinda rhymes doesn't it Doug?
It should, tis true!
And Hillary Too!
VOTE EDWARDS '08 for a WORLD OF CHANGE!
The only way to stop the Dems from simply ignoring the war as an issue is for all truly anti-war forces to loudly and vigorously make it clear they will not vote for any candidate of either Party in the general election who does not commit to withdrawing all U.S. forces (and I'm not talking about the distinction without a difference of just withdrawing "combat" troops but leaving in "non-combat" troops) within a few months of his -- or her -- election.
At this point, warmongerers Hillary and Obama (both committed to keeping an undefined number of troops killing and maiming and being killed and maimed in Iraq for the indefinite future) simply assume that in the end, progressives will vote them in as the lesser of the evils, rather than withdraw their vote or vote third party in order to stop the Republicans. As long as Obama and Clinton believe that progressives are willing to have the blood on their hands that comes with voting for warmongerer Hillary or warmongerer Obama (and they appear to be right), they will not make the war an issue, nor withdraw from Iraq in the unlikely event either becomes President.
Democratic trolls will Nader-bait anti-war forces if those anti-war forces loudly proclaim they will not vote Democratic if the Democratic nominee does not commit to immediate, safe withdrawal of our ALL troops and contractors, but it will influence them against ignoring the war during the general election and will force them to support immediate withdrawal, as the American electorate also wants out of Iraq quickly.
And true anti-war forces must be willing to follow through with their threat, so that Dems in the future know they give progressives the finger at their own risk.
Who cares if our families die or are dismember -- or killed and maim -- under the leadership of a "D" or an "R"?
nonamnesiac, you should give yourself a chance to win by voting for Edwards. Edwards is committed to removal of our forces from Iraq within ten months. If Edwards doesn't win, you're going to get Obama or Hillary anyway, and a brokered convention might not be a bad idea. If Edwards stays in the race and nobody gets a clear majority, all the issues will be on the table.
John Edwards is not in the pocket of Wall Street, but Obama and Clinton are, period. Edwards is also the only one accepting PUBLIC FUNDING for his campaign.
Here is the list of top contributors to Obama -
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008
And here is the list for Hillary -
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008
Now, you look at that list and tell me who is bought and paid for by Wall Street. They dont fear Obama and Hillary, they own them! But they do fear John Edwards!
US Corporate Elite Fear Candidate Edwards
By Kevin Drawbaugh
Reuters
Check out the article over at TruthOut -
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011108T.shtml
MikeBinSC: I am evaluating Edwards because of what appears to be the New Years Day change in his Iraq position. He only changed from refusing to commit to withdrawing from Iraq by 2013 to evidently committing to withdraw all troops from Iraq within ten months of his election on New Years Day, 2008. His two-bit embrace of the Madison Avenue distinction without a difference regarding his willingness to pull out all "combat" troops but keep in "non-combat" troops had me looking at him as one of the 2013 triplets (Obama, Clinton and him). I want to make certain Edwards is not just coming up with a new double-talking point on this.
I especially look at him closely before being willing to commit because his Senate voting record is wholly at odds with his campaign rhetoric about free trade, labor, Iraq and peace. He, Hillary and Obama are all three peas in a pod when you compare voting records.
If Edwards continues supporting withdrawal of all troops (and contractors) within ten months of his election, and there's no "fine print" to his position, especially with Richardson out of the race and the best candidate, Dennis Kucinich, not a front tier candidate with the voters (although he is with me), I will support him.
dougnwagner January 10th, 2008 11:50 pm
I've just plucked my head out of my ass and noticed Obama wants to increase the military industrial complex by another 100,000 troops. I don't think he meant peace keepers. Why does he want more troops if he is against the war? He will not commit to pulling them out by the end of his first term 2013.
So what if voted against it, he's for it now.
nonamnesiac and tailcap, we are having a discussion about this in the comments here at CD on this thread -
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/11/6312/
bigjoe31 -- :-)