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Why I'm Still Not for Hillary Clinton
Women voters rallied en masse for her -- but she has run as a stereotypical male and represents the same old cowardly Clintonian politics.
In the wake of Hillary Clinton's surprising win Tuesday and all the wrongheaded punditry leading up to it, there has been much discussion about why women voters rallied en masse for her in New Hampshire. Some believe she benefited from a powerful backlash against her many eager naysayers in the media. But whatever the reason for her campaign's resurgence, I still don't buy Clinton as the women's candidate.
I'm a lifelong feminist activist. In this crucial election, I am supporting John Edwards, whose economic policies I think will best serve women. Barack Obama is a close second, with Hillary Clinton a distant third. At first, as a feminist, I felt strange, almost embarrassed not to support Clinton, but it wasn't a tough decision. I did some soul searching, and in the end there were too many issues of principle on which she was willing to compromise. Her commitment to practicality over principle made it hard to be enthusiastic about her candidacy.
At the same time, watching Clinton in Iowa and New Hampshire was a roller-coaster ride -- there were moments when I just wanted to throw in the towel and support her, those flashes of humanity and passion, the confidence she expresses in her record, the reality that she probably is the good person her husband says she is. I imagine her frustration with people like me who sell her short and will not settle for the conventional wisdom of what a woman has to do to get elected and trust her. And then she would frustrate me with her almost absolute inability to understand that being a leader is much more than an exercise in competency; it is the ability to capture people's imaginations and make them believe that there is indeed hope. The low point was her dismissal of Obama's and Edwards' visionary platforms as false hopes. Jung's bad mother wagging her finger at the boys who dared to promise the American people more than they could deliver was too much.
I contrast the closing speeches from New Hampshire: Obama's three words -- "yes, we can" -- and Clinton's heartfelt claim of having found her voice, an unspoken acknowledgment that she had to learn and she learned it. One goes to bed with the feeling that the next six weeks will include a national opportunity for all but the far right to take apart questions of race, gender, class and political integrity. In a way, it is the first 21st century election. Will Obama force Clinton into the new millennium? Can she meet my expectations?
Then her record enters my consciousness: her votes on Iraq, the Patriot Act and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
I wonder if I am, as antifeminists are constantly taunting, one of those women who is jealous of other women? Am I harder on women than on men? After all, the first qualified woman who becomes president is not likely to be everything a feminist would like her to be. Am I just not practical enough to hold my nose and go with a qualified woman? Clinton is to be respected for her intelligence, knowledge of the issues and consistent work for social justice. There is no one best person to be president, and there is no doubt in my mind that, if elected, on most issues she will make good decisions, do the best that can be done in difficult circumstances and, as would Edwards and Obama, work to change some elements of the debacle of the Bush years.
But her approach to Iraq leads me to think she would more quickly and inappropriately use military power than other Democrats, and that is impossible to ignore.
The decision about whom to support is also based on more subtle issues of character, a sense of where the candidates will lead us and how much of a socially transformative vision for America they have. Being a feminist means not only supporting policies that improve women's lives, but that lead to a new understanding of women's and men's nature, identity and role in the world. It means an unrelenting attention to the questions of exclusion and marginalization, and to leveling the playing field. Asking whether Clinton is that person is not just a fair question, it is the feminist question. In answering that question, the history of centrist Democrats and Clintonism must be confronted.
Now, I've never been a centrist Democrat and everything I have seen of Clintonism and the Democratic Leadership Council confirms that women are far down their priority lists. But there must be some small space in the political world in which women are important. It is also not to say that Clinton doesn't care about women -- of course she does, and she has supported and will support many policies that improve women's health, employment and education. Perhaps one hears so little of that commitment on the campaign trail because it is assumed that the woman candidate does not have to talk about those issues. But whatever the reason, there is no evidence that Clinton's feminist history currently influences her thinking about women, or that it is any further advanced than Obama's and Edwards' thinking.
The sad fact is that Clinton has felt compelled to run as a stereotypical male. In her own mind it is only a certain kind of man who is qualified to be president and she will be that man: tough on everything from war, flag burning, kids' access to video games, illegal immigrants and Palestinians. She has missed the opportunity to talk about what it really means for women to be equal in this country. She has shown no interest in using her extensive international experience to push for more women in party leadership, state legislatures and even the Senate. A woman candidate who considered her gender a strength (as opposed to something she needed to overcome) would announce a series of measures specifically designed to ensure that women's needs and rights were at the forefront of her agenda.
For example, she might begin by following the European example and create a Cabinet post on women. In addition to outlining her foreign policy in Foreign Affairs, she might write about women from a thoroughly modern perspective. As important as they are there is nothing new about talking about issues such as violence against women or research on women's health issues or funding family planning at home and abroad. We need a candidate who advocates for the economic benefits that women all over Europe -- and increasingly women in developing countries -- have: better support for the retirement of women who do not work outside the home, paid family and medical leave, expansion of Social Security benefits to spouses (mostly women). And we need a feminist candidate for president who is not afraid of issues such as gay marriage, adoption and America's changing attitudes toward women's sexuality and all sexuality.
When John Edwards stepped up to the podium to concede victory to Barack Obama, he said, "The one thing that is clear here in Iowa is that the status quo lost and change won." I do not want a feminism that is part of the status quo, and so I do not want the first woman president to be a Clintonian. Every time Hillary Clinton puts on the mantle of the Bill Clinton presidency and reminds us of how important it is to be practical and work with the other side to get things done, I think of every cowardly practical choice that Bill Clinton (or should I say the Clintons together) made. The "don't ask, don't tell" sellout of gays in the military; the abandonment of Lani Guinier; a failed healthcare reform package that would have sacrificed women's reproductive health to the Catholic Church's demands as moral arbiter; a welfare reform bill that actually hurt poor women and their families; and presidential approval of a permanent ban on Medicaid funds for poor women seeking abortions.
The women's movement, along with other progressive movements, did little to challenge the Clinton administration to live up to its campaign promises. And now it seems that the longtime women's movement is falling into the same trap over Hillary Clinton's candidacy. Just read the feckless and stale defense of Clinton's record on the war posted on the National Organization for Women's Web site to get a sense of how willing some in the feminist establishment are to defend any woman, regardless of her track record.
But some women aren't buying it. We'd like to see a woman president, but more than anything we want to be able to say at the end of the first woman's tenure in the highest political office that it really mattered. That the first woman president did things no man would have done, that feminist values were at the core of her decisions -- and that the country was on the road to further transformation.
Frances Kissling is a 2007-2008 Fellow at the Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study at Harvard University and the former president of Catholics for a Free Choice.
Copyright ©2008 Salon Media Group, Inc.



169 Comments so far
Show AllHow do you know how the people who blog here are living FATAL FEM? We could all die or be beamed up tonight and the system and elected in DC would not even notice. Vote for whomever you wish, if you actually want change, vote for John Edwards.
We really need an Obama (all people) movement more than we need a Hillary (women's) movement, because the Clintons would come back to us as part of their historic coalition with many corporations, those many corporations being the very reason we need a movement.
STILL, Mrs. Clinton is preferable to any Republican, in the event we can't bring our voters to do better with Obama. And it's hard to overstate how important this really is. President Bush delights in vetoing any initiative the Dem Congress puts up, and another Republican could do the same for four or eight years.
If Hillary is the experienced candidate I am worried if she is just finding her voice....
I am not a big Hillary fan. In fact I could not vote for her, however since Massachusetts always goes Democrat, that is safe.
I couldn't support her pro Iraq war vote nor her vote for the Lieberman-Kyl amendment that Bush could use as authorization to attack Iran. Her claim if she knew now, what she knew then she wouldn't have voted for the Iraq war.
She should have asked me, even though I believe the woman is far more intelligent than I am in many areas. Nothing that happened in Iraq was any different than what I said would happen.
However, as far as the media is concerned, they vilified her for being too cold and then they vilify her for showing emotion. She cannot win. And there are some real gender issues on how she is treated as a woman candidate. I will rail against her voting record, her attachment to big business, but these are issues not gender qualities.
Meanwhile, I wish the media would discuss the real issues: our attacks against other countries, our failing infrastructure, the growing inequality, the national debt, etc. but they prefer the bread and circuses of a woman acting like a woman…
One of the best explanations I've read yet. Well done!!!
Why should gender or race, or nationality make any differece to you or to me FRANCES? Certainly women have had to fight for equality, it wasn't that long ago in our history, when women weren't even allowed to vote. Many others have had to fight for equality and still are fighting for it, African Americans, Hispancics, American Indians, Jews, Irish, Italians, Catholics, witches, gays etc.
Why should any of that influence MY vote for another human? I vote for a person who shares my political ideals and I don''t look at their skin color, or their gender. I would like to see a qualifed woman president, or a black president, or an American Indian, or an American Mexican. I believe it would help to eventually end discrimination in this country. Whch is an issue.
I also personally want to see John Edwards in the White House and if he was half Black and half American Indian, married to a Mexican, and a Jack Morman who was also a Mason who smoked cigars and drank whiskey, it would not matter to me in the least. Edwards is the only cndidate, who will attemppt to end lobbyig in Wshington DC and that issue is the single most important issue.
The lobbyists are the bag boys and money runners for the major corporations and big business and they rule us because of that and we now have a Fascist form of government. 'We The People' have indeed lost our Democracy. Edwards will fight lobbying. He will pull our troops out of Iraq, and he will fight for us. He may be able to restore Democracy, or at least get us back on the road to recovery, which we so desperately need if we are to survive as a nation.
John Edwards has my vote and if his wife, Elizabeth was the candidate instead, she would have my vote. If Hillary wins the primary, she will have my vote. Ans she probably will win it, in spite of my posts here.
If Clinton is the Democratic nominee, then I'll vote thrid-party. If a Republican takes the general election, any one of whom (aside from Ron Paul) would be admittedly even worse than Clinton, it will bring the American empire ever closer to destruction. In the long run, that will be the greater good.
Vote for Ralph Wiggum. He is going to make Lisa Simpson his first ladle.
By all means,please keep Hillary out of the White House as wherever Hillary goes Bill follows - for the time at least.
Can you imagine Hillary getting an unimpeeded chance as Commander in Chief to exercise her well honed skills in dissension and discord while her lying philandering Bill continues to do what he does best: chasing interns and parsing.
Bill Clinton has never been a paragon of virtue or a good role model and therefore had absolutely no right, as a reputed liar, to call Obamas integrity into question.
Given the privilege to reside once more in the White House would be disasterous as it would afford Bill many more opportunities to further sully this American landmark with his insatiable sexual escapades.
The discussion in this election has been side-tracked by all this identity-politics (gender and race) dialogue. We're in a state of endless war, the middle class is disappearing, and our democracy has been hobbled by years of Bush-Cheney insanity. It's time to fight against the forces that have brought this decay. I don't want to join with them, as Obama wants, to work together in a spirit of compromise. We've tried that. It's failed. It's time for spine.
Edwards 2008.
Yeah DAB, it might be better to continue the Bush agenda, than to have BJ's in the White House. One thing to recall is, our nation wasn't bankrupt when Clinton left that job and we didn't owe our asses to China.
>>If Clinton is the Democratic nominee, then I'll vote thrid-party.
Exactly!
There are so many people on the left who will never, ever vote for Hillary, under any circumstances. She is such an obvious corporate hack and a warmonger. If she gets the nomination, conservatives have a good chance of winning.
That's something I thought impossible after two Shrub terms.
I hesitate to venture into the thick, blinding fog that surrounds this "discussion" for fear I'll never find my way home, but, what the heck, here's one more attempt to pierce through to something like clarity. At the same time that most of you castigate the current political process for its failure to represent the people of this country, you still plod along in its concrete footsteps, terrified to face the reality of what it isn't and is. Here's what it isn't: it isn't a means to an end; it isn't a way to solve our collective problems, secure our collective futures; it isn't democracy or even a republic. Here's what it is: it's an oligarchy, some might even say a fascist state, government of, by and for the wealthy. Ho hum. It survives because you support it, not only by all of your economic decisions--did you buy those jeans at The Gap, sweetie?--but because you continue to treat the leader-selection process as if its real, valid, and meaningful. I mean, c'mon! You should be highly suspicious of the love affair the media is having with Obama--did you notice that he got 4 times as long on camera as Hillary after the N.H. primary?--and assume that it means that they either don't believe he's electable and so want him nominated or actually do believe he'll be assassinated. Of course the same thing could apply to Hillary. If you want change, change yourself and the way you live. Stop buying things. Don't go to work. Seriously. Plant your own food. Live with your worn-out furniture and clothing. Take the bus. Share a home with friends and/or family. People are doing it, by the hundreds of thousands--some because they have to, but many because they've decided to make a real change. In a heartbeat, we could make it by the millions. We could take down Wall Street and Madision Ave. and break every bank. As far as this election goes, have some fun with it. I'm voting for Hillary because I'm a bitter, angry woman who is sick to death of coming in last. I'm seriously over being "the nigga of the world" since time immemorial. If this sick, sad nation is indeed the center of power for the world, let it be run by a woman. Besides, I remember the old Hillary, the one who let herself take about eighty lashes for proposing and defending nationalized healthcare about 16 years ago. I know she's still in there. You love to hate her for being among the enemy, but did it ever occur to you that no political outsider has ever come close to achieving high office? Look at Kucinich. He got only 1% in N.H. We can only guess what Hillary will do if she's elected. Know this: the person who right now appears to be your candidate doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected. So what are you coming out of all this with? I'm going to spend my otherwise pointless vote on the one and only woman running. Maybe you'd like to spend yours on the one and only person of color. Go for it. And then get on with the real work of changing the way you live.
If it comes down to a choice between Hilary and McCain, I won't vote. How do you choose between a corporate pimp and a war whore?
Clinton is finished. What's she gonna do? Cry on que for the next 48 primaries? Obama is riding a tsunami. Nothing can stop him.
In other words READER, you prefer a Republican. That's your perogitiave, it's still a free country. For awhile anyway.
I wouldn't bet my farm on it JOAD. You ever heard the word Diebold?
Thank you, Frances Kissling, for that excellent article … I just signed up for this web-site just so I could comment on it.
Your words reminded me of another feminist I greatly admired (may she rest in peace), Molly Ivins. It was almost 2 years ago she wrote an article titled "I will not support Hillary Clinton for president" (see this link for the full read http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/1/2006/1304 ).
I would LOVE to vote for a strong woman for President and may still do so, BUT, unlike a lot of others it will NOT be for Hillary Clinton. In the past I have done just like everyone else and voted for someone I did not support only because I didn't want the "alternative" in office. I don't know about you but that hasn't worked very well for me. I figured out part of the problem and want to share it here.
The problem is I HAVE BELIEVED THE LIE. I've been constantly told that my candidate "doesn't have a chance", that American isn't "ready" for him/her, that I'm (and my candidate) are "too idealistic", etc. And I'm sure after I write this someone will feel compelled to set me straight with more LIES. We are lied to every day in so many ways through so many sources. The DLC, and other corporate interest has a vested interest in being sure you don't hear Kucinich or Gravel and if, by some miracle, you have heard them you are told (as though it were fact) "they don't have a chance". They are the ones behind the LIE. If everyone I've ever heard say "yea, but they don't have a chance" were to vote for the person who most closely reflects their beliefs and ideals I have no doubt Kucinich would be our next President. It's only their belief in the LIE that holds them back. I would ask everyone to BELIEVE that you can have someone who reflects your values and interest. What do you have to lose?
As for me I will vote for Kucinich in the Primaries regardless of what the LIEING polls tell us on the LIEING media. And if Hillary becomes the candidate for the Democratic Party and is able to LIE her way into that position with the help of her LIEING friends like Rupert Murdock I will vote for Cynthia McKinney. Take that you LIEING SOB's at the DLC, AARP, MSM, NPR, etc!!!
"If Clinton is the Democratic nominee, then I'll vote third-party."
Me too
Is speaking reality lying? Could you give me some of the lies John Edwards has told?
Obama. Clinton. What does it matter? Let's be serious, people. With either one you still have the same corrupt political party, with all of its institutional allegiances, with the same talent pool from which to draw for staff, cabinet and so forth. The problems with the American political system are structural and institutional. You can change leaders til your blue in the face, and nothing will change until the fundamentals of campaign finance and money politics are changed. To think that Obama or Hilary are going to do anything about these issues is to court naivete to the point that it becomes pathological. Neither Obama or Hilary are even talking about reform. And even if they were, it wouldn't matter.
The question of gender in politics is simple: It's two words: Maggie Thatcher.
First, I question if Hillary's 'unscripted' emotional moment wasn't the result of some image maker's plan to make her appear more like a human and less like Margaret Thatcher.
Secondly, I wonder how the polls could have been so wrong. In the last two Presidential races, the polling 'errors' have turned out to be voting/counting 'errors'. I think the same people who wanted Bush in office would prefer Hillary to Obama or Edwards.
I'd rather see Edwards as the nominee, but unless the Dem's run a member of the Bush family, I'll vote for whoever they nominate.
I didn't mention Edwards either directly or indirectly?
Ms. Kessling is like so many, she wants the "perfect" candidate and it does not exist. I read her article with interest and all I can say is that I might have said the same thing 35 years ago when I was so young and stupid and naive. I have grown up and now look at what a person with experience can bring to the table. We all walk the life we are given or have chosen to the best of our abilities and when twist and turns come along we make the best choices available to us and hope for the best.
Hilliary has done well for herself against staggering odds and unrelenting vile and uncalled for criticism. She has held her own during the trials of her husband's time in the White House and she survived the nastiness of the press, the repugs and many in the public. She ran for public office and won convincingly.
She, by all accounts has represented the interest of the state of NY with grace, charm, effectivenss and great skill; mainly, I think because she listens to what they have to say. Her NY constituents like and admire her and reelected her to office. She has a professional and pubic body of work that reflects her energies, her desires and her beliefs as well as her failures. She will be among the first to admit she has learned much and has much to learn in the future. She plays the boy's game because that is what is required to get what her home state of NY needs from the federal government, but that does not mean she isn't a feminist or a decent person with her own aspirations. I respect her greatly and will vote and work for her because she is an accomplished LEADER.
Me parece que esta dama esta correcta en gran parte en esta analisis. Desafortunadamente, Clinton no tiene la espina para verdaderamente confrontar los problemas de nuestro pais, EEUU. Clinton se ha hecho parte del problema con su posicion sobre la guerra en Iraq, no sabe decir no al Presidente Bush; Ella no sabe decir NO a las corporaciones. Me parece, aunque no sea perfeccion, que Edwards es mas apropiado para las minorias.
Thanks to James G - I agree and miss Molly Ivins too, bless her. I have voted again and again for the electable ones, but no more. Enough. I will vote my conscience and pray that my vote and yours actually gets counted. I think that we are actually having the wrong discussion about who vs. whom and only when voting is no longer privatized (!!!) will we be able to speak about real issues that matter. In the meantime, we are told that Obama trumped Clinton in Iowa but after some tears she came back in NH? I don't buy it. I think that the voting machines are in place. Let the people think that they're getting a democrat - yippee! And then, leave him or her holding the bag for all the crimes and misdemeanors of these past few years. And watch while the Hannitys and all the rest of the scream machine has a field day with that person. Please do a search on NH electronic voting as well as the nukes that went missing in 2007. What to do with such bad specters floating around? Pray a lot, love a lot, live as local as you can.
I'm undecided as of now who I will end up voting for, but I can rank the candidates in my opinion (from Best to Worst):
*The only two worth a damn*:
#1. Gravel- Most progressive candidate, and idea of the National Initiative.
#2. Kucinich- Establishment of Dept. of Peace, and sensible and progressive solutions.
*The best we can hope for*:
#3. Edwards- Talks big game on fighting corporatism, maybe he could change Washington.
#4. Obama- Seeks "change," but will he fight for those changes? I'm not sold.
#5. Paul- Has large support amongst youth, and some necessary and radical positions.
*Houston, we have a problem*:
#6. Richardson- He has experience, seems trustworthy, and easily manipulated by public.
#7. McCain- I know, I know, but he's honest and he really does want to help.
#8. Clinton- I'll never trust her, sorry.
#9. Huckabee- He does recognize problems within his own party.
*Everyone who reads CommonDreams, I'll see you in Canada*
#10. Thompson
#11. Giuliani
#12. Romney
#13. Hunter
The fact that Hillary has been nominated as a presidential candidate is, indeed, quite the triumph. Or is it? Eight years of political hell-on-earth leaves a considerable chunk of this nation pining for the Clinton years. Whether or not that is a thing to be pining for is one question, but how this pining manifests itself in the Mrs. Clinton campaign is what would lead me to question her as a true feminist triumph. I honestly do not think that people would be nearly as willing to vote for her if she was just any random senator or congress woman who decided to run the fact that she has the Mr. to back her up, I think, give subconcious solace to those who may be skeptical about a woman leader.
The article brings up how HIllary has been running as "a man," but isn't that really just her right as a woman? If that's just "how she is," so what? What's even more insidious is how she has been trying to "femme-it-up" as of late, especially when it comes to that now famous "cry," which, I am convinced, was not an outburst of emotion, but a calculated ploy.
Progressive Student January 10th, 2008 2:26 pm
By the way, I am a US citizen who moved from Washington, DC, to Canada shortly after the first election of George W. It was the best decision I ever made. I now live in Ottawa, ON and work in Canadian politics for a genuinely progressive, unabashedly pro-working people political party. The greatest relief of all for this political animal is never having to feel compelled to vote for woefully inadequate or, in the case of Clinton, corrupt candidates again, merely because they're the least offensive of the sorry lot.
Thanks EL BRAVO, however living in American and being an American citizen, I chose French as my language course when in school and Russian in college. I don't use either of them here, I do use them when in Quebec, France, Hati and Russia. Know a bit of Japanese and Thai too. I do wish I knew the Spanish lingo, but never got around to it. Sorry I didn't understand your post, except I beleive you prefer Edwards. __ Me too, he really does care and he will make changes.
No offense but this is a pile of tripe. Leave the emotional issues in the psychologist's office... there's people's lives at stake here and you're talking about nonsense. The only issue that should be on one's mind is the person's stances. You want women with backbone, vote them in at local level and support them.
You stated that she voted for the Patriot Act, the war and some trumped up bull to attack Iran... but she's a woman so you have all these issues about it. This is offensive, and a real feminist would see that blindly voting, or considering voting, for a women strictly on her sex especially considering the political circumstances is in no way doing women a favor. What year are we in?
I thought there were some true progressive minds on CD's... you guys sound like CNN and FOX. You all realize that the majority of votes in New Hampshire were counted by a private corporation with no oversight... and you guys are talking about everything like its legitimate. Why don't you just skip the activist schtick and go watch CNN.
All this after candidates were barred from the debates by the companies that are making money off the war...
Please go on taking about all the bullshit that you're supposed to be... "she's a strong woman", "he has charisma"... private corporations counting our votes and you guys are eating up the garbage they feed you.... shame.
Hillary has been trying to power grab ever since a house fell on her sister.
Can someone tell me if there's a republican common dreams? I mean a website like this one for that party where their members comment as we do here?
I just wonder if their readers trash their politians the way we do.
Wilmoor,
This isn't a Democratic Party site. It is a site for progressives. The Democratic Party is not a progressive party, although there are some individual party members who could justly be deemed progressive. Sadly, the only of them running for president is Dennis Kucinich.
Why is this article even necessary? Enough beating the brains out of a dead horse already. For Christ sakes we know everyone on CD hates Hillary and Obama and no candidate is good enough and they're all moving to Canada and voting for a mythical 3rd party. Enough already.
I want Hillary and Obama to make a winning ticket, and to win the election and stay in the whitehouse for 16 years and then to get the term limit waived and stay in the whitehouse for 32 years just to piss off all of the people on CD that have nothing more important to talk about.
And as far as the lesser of the evils, to have a woman and black man in the whitehouse just for that sake an no other is far more important than any of the republican candidates getting into office for sure.
Anyone who saw last Sat. debate would have to appreciate Senator Clinton's nuanced remarks. When asked if she would bomb inside of Pakistan without permission to get Osama, she replied, "Yes," but cautioned that she would warn Pakistan so that our missles would not be mistaken for India's and start a war. This answer was extremely thoughtful.
Hillary also cannot be faulted when she wants to work with Republicans. What does one want, another George Bush, only this time a Democratic one? To avoid polarizing Congress, the next President must work with the opposition party.
As for her criticism of Obama's lofty goals, goals that aren't practical, she has a point. President after President has been unable to pass legislation that enables lofty goals: in Washington, one has to be practical--as history has shown.
Lastly, do the names Gandi, Meir, and Thatcher have any meaning? They should. They were all women who led their nations in the 20th century. The thing they have in common besides their gender is that they all fought wars. Hillary has to talk tough. Experience has shown that women are tested by other nations. By talking tough at the outset, Hillary is preventing such testing by establishing a history of dealing as decisively with force as any man.
Hillary also shouldn't be disqualified from being President because of her husband. Her qualifications allow her to stand on her own abilities without slurs about a "dynasty."
oh and to reply to Wilmoor, no the repugs don't trash their candidates like these readers do. They march in lockstep for better or worse in solidarity with complete loyalty. Havent the neocon fascist death squad rule of Bush taught you anything.
Count me in, too, on voting for the 3rd party if Clinton is the nominee. Hillary is no more a Democrat than Dick Cheney. She was a registered Republican for many years and only changed it to Dem on paper so she didn't stand in the way of her husband's political life (which she planned to use a springboard to her own). I don't trust her one iota. Her dedication is to BIG MONEY first and foremost.
I initially liked Obama, but his war comments are scary as hell. He could be dangerous and has shown he's easily swayed by those with evil intentions.
I don't think Clinton stands for women any more than I think Obama stands for blacks.
Kucinich is the only one that stands for EVERYONE of both genders and all races. But, the media finds him threatening because they can't control him. And he plans to take those air waves back where they belong --- to the public. And the Rupert Murdochs of this world sent a message long ago to silence and ridicule and mute Kucinich as much as possible lest he remove their ill-gotten gain.
I have been called a brain-washed feminists more times than I care to remember. I do not support Hillary. I consider her a part of "the good old boys" that have been running things. Yes, she can "run like a man" as one comment said. Maybe that is why I am a feminist. Men make war, women make nice. I support Obama because he has empathy, compassion and is diplomatic. Unlike Hillary. Perhaps he is "running like a woman"?
I am not anti-men, I am anti-misogyny. I am a human being with as much right to make my own choices as a man. I have felt that way since I was a child, when I was told I was somehow inferior to males. A female that gets my approval is one who runs as a female, not one who becomes mannish in her cold-heartedness towards other human beings.
As a feminist I can not understand why she had zero concern for our sister's in Iraq. If she gets the Democrat bid and I am not allowed to write-in a vote for Obama, I too will waste my vote on a 3rd party candidate.
As to Edwards? I got my first look at candidates from their You Tube You Choose videos. First look at Edwards: aimed to white audience. That song "Hair" always annoyed me. Obama's video starts with his "We are the United States of America". Ever since the GWB presidency I have been calling us the Divided States of America.
Obama seems to be the best person to lead a diverse nation. Imagine a basketball team going out on the court, each in their own separate huddles, okay that is football, not working together to win a ball game. Edwards might be a great guy, I spent little time studying him due to that intro.
Hillary is also a divider not a uniter. Talk is that the Republicans want her to get the Dem bid because it assures a Republican win in November.
It saddens me that some feminists are basing support on gender, rather than on character.
If having a woman and a black man in the white house is that important than perhaps Condy Rice would be a dream come true?
no dlp67, but Cynthia Mckinney would be.
wait i am making a prediction right now, the next 137 posts will read, i hate hillary and i hate obama and if they get the nomination then i'll go 3rd party. Go Dennis!
I am not much of a fan of Obama (I would prefer a socialist, then Kucinich, then Edwards), but at least he does not use the blunt instrument of identity politics.
There are innumerable ways to group human beings, with many groupings containing a favored side and a non-favored side. There are the old common groupings according to race and sex, and there is the CD and general leftist preference of grouping by social class, but note that the vertically challenged, i.e. midgets and dwarfs, probably face more discrimination in virtually every aspect of life (in the US today) than the non-favored in the aforementioned groupings, along with those who have had disfiguring acne or other skin diseases or have been disfigured by injury or disease, and then there are those with physical disabilities and those with mental disabilities and many others.
Hillary is not using women's identity politics because women face the greatest discrimination, but rather because women make up the most powerful, and numerous, political group that can be said to suffer from discrimination. And since on the great majority of what are considered the most important groupings Hillary is on the favored side -- she is a wealthy attractive white woman who has had every advantage, attended the best schools, and was married to a US president -- and since she advocates policies that will generally comfort the comfortable and will, for the most part, continue to afflict the afflicted, she seems a poor choice to practice identity politics that is purportedly designed to address grievances with regard to the victims in society.
Truthseeker58: I like Kucinich and he would do well to get his supporters to support Obama. The support of Mc Cain and other "conservative" Republicans~who by numbers of votes in Iowa outnumbered Democrats~show that the US voters are too conservative to accept a just turned 30 year old as First Lady. (funny they will accept a disgraced ex Pres who lied under oath as First Man among other corrupt practices). Many see an Obama/Edwards ticket. I would like Obama/Kucinich only because I do not know much about Edwards and I approve of Kucinich. I think Michelle and Elizabeth Kucinich would make a good First & Second lady team in White House.
Sad to say, but Elizabeth needed to ditch the tongue stud and cut her beautiful hair to give a more professional look to citizens who still approve of suits and ties and such. By supporting Kucinich it takes votes from Obama, Richardson or Edwards which might give Clinton her edge to win. That would be a disaster. Obama is well liked and respected world wide and can offset damage done to the US by the Bush regime.
TheIronist,
Thanks for the response. Recently, I've been increasingly considering whether or not I want to live in the US at all after I finish college. Although I did want to do Teach for America and the Peace Corps, after I go study abroad in Barcelona next fall, I may never come back. I'm trying to start a chapter of the SDS (after reading that great article posted earlier this week), and am following the current election very closely. I'm in so many groups and organizations that pledge to make change at school, and I'm hoping that maybe I personally can make enough difference to make this country what it pretends to be.
As a 20 year old college student, my main fear is not the number of problems my generation and I will inevitably inherit (global warming, a 1/3 chance of a nuclear attack on a city in the next 50 years, depleted social security, outstretched military with numerous enemies due to the military-industrial complex of US imperialism, a failing economy, etc.) Rather, my fear every day is that my generation will grow up to become just like our parents, and rather than solving any of these problems we will just make them worse.
Frances Kissling is right about Hillary and Bill . .
It sure looks pleasant in retrospect, but it was destructive of democratic ideals.
The corporate-media, of course, wants to avoid all the issues; therefore, they are constantly seeking nonsense to feature as news.
However, America has also been trained to seek personalities for president --- not party policies.
How many of us know what the Democratic Platform says?
What it said in 2004 or what it might say in 2008?
The Democratic Party has in large part --- one-third or more --- been taken over by the corporate-sponsored DLC and are actively seeking more corporate-"blue dogs" to finish the job.
Cynthia McKinney is the one I would be voting for if I felt free enough to do so -- Green Party!
When can I stop voting for the lesser of evils --- ???
Imagine it . . .
A real break thru for females ---!!!
liberal with an attitude January 10th, 2008 3:04 pm: Perfect. I have said "I would love a woman for President but Cynthia McKinney is not running this year." This is the first time I saw that from anyone else on the web. But I heard her speak on Blog Talk radio and I think she needs to brush up on speaking skills.
Another reason I support Obama over Clinton is his oratory skills. She would not have won me over anyway she lost me back with Code Pink when she explained her position on why we had to be in Iraq.
PS: Forgot to say that I've been backing Kucinich and Edwards --- and Edwards seems most viable.