Right! No war. What we do to another - ---let's stop scratching our selves till we bleed to death.

In the meantime start training a youngster in how you want to be "cared for" when you bump your head, get too high a fever, the wrong drug, or get old.

AND/OR

Prepare to repeat the Terri Schindler Schiavo Experience again and again and again and again . . . ..............

We seem to not be learning very quickly, how to use the wonderful knowledge and skills which the last hundred years brain researchers, and "the elders" have provided.

We can't seen to tell the difference between the ("one in three") psychology of the minds' gardens of knowledge, and the ("as many as 65 percent") brain's functions damaged and/or knocked out of kilter.

Return to/from where?

Please Editor continue . . . we CAN learn the difference.
Thanks all, :)gwenith

Many, many resisted the draft for the Viet Nam war in many ways. Many were brave and tough to do so at great peril to their persons, their relationships and futures....but they did rather than kill and maim and fuck up their own hearts, minds and souls. I myself told the leutenant in charge of my draft induction that,"I am more powerfull than an Atom Bomb, fuck with me and I'll fuck with with you!!" and then, "If you place me a position where I may kill innocent children, women or men, I promise you that I will come back, hunt you down and kill you!" After some thought, he sent me to a psychiatrist early on the morn I was to leave for boot camp. At 7:00 AM I awaited the doctor and when he came grabbed him and shook him yelled, "The commies are coming to get me." Taking me into his office he gave me a brief interview,, then handed me a closed letter which I returned to the leiutenant. As he sat at his desk, I stood behind a heavy wooden army chair as he opened the envelope. My commitment at that point was to slam the chair with as much force possible over the leiutenants head if they continued the induction. Unknowing of my intentions, he reached into a drawer and grabbed a large round stamp and stamped my papers with a large 4F. He handed me the papers, I smiled and left. I have never hurt or threatened anyone since.
"george w bush" speaks harshly, but is spot on, we must stop praising these nitwits who go on their own accord. No soldiers, no war.

"The pathetic little murderers can put down their guns right now, or whenever the notion of morality or honor flits through their noodle." (george w. bush)
"I love what george w. bush writes. It's clear and to the point. No Troop Support equals No War." (tadoverdue)
"The American and other troops in Iraq are there voluntarily, nobody forced them to join and needing a decent education is no excuse." (pistonbroke)
"One in three military in Iraq have psychological problems? Make it 10 out of 10. They are all crazies and war mongers. They very well deserve to be called crazies, psychos, losers etc. because that is what they are." (analysis2008)
"should a draft be revived, no one could make him become a killer if he was not willing to be one." (ccairnes)

Really?
Did you miss what happened in North Korea?
No troops; millions dead; frozen, compliments of USA.
I hope you weren't too busy noticing how stupid and uncaring everyone else is?

War is hell, don't go there.

As for spending on veterans' care, isn't it wonderful: We borrow hundreds of billions to pay for the stupid wars, then why not borrow tens of billions more to pay for a completely broken Dept. of Veterans Affairs?

Yay!

"The government finally has come around to realizing what our soldiers are facing, and Sen. Patty Murray continues to rattle cages in Washington, D.C., to get more resources allocated to the Department of Veterans Affairs — $43 billion in the latest spending bill."

Great news.....but when is the government going to realize that Bush's War on Terrorism is a never ending one?

Do them a bigger favor and get them the hell out of Iraq!

Ample proof here that death is, by far, not our worst fate.

joneden January 5th, 2008 5:22 pm
"The Dems aren't even in control of the white house yet, and they have already gone into the tax and spend mode. How about a balanced budget for a change?"

Why are you harping on Dem spending? Did I not just read
that the National debt is at $9 trillion under Bush? That
certainly doesn't sound like the Republicans have
balanced the budget the last seven years. Taxes aren't
the problem here, spending the tax money on bullshit is
the problem. To have roads, bridges, schools, police
protection, fire departments and social services it takes
taxes. How about we spend on those things instead of
pouring money into the pit in Iraq?

bligh, you come across as a high school sophmore struggling to come up with a last minute idea for a class report on "Veteran's Day." I'm not the right person to help you out with that, but I sincerely hope you come up with something better before you run out of kool aid.

I love what george w. bush writes. It's clear and to the point. No Troop Support equals No War. The hypnotized ingnoramuses always appeal to some mispalce notion of patriotism, bu they are losing.

George W. Bush, I hope you are in a position someday to rely on a veteran, and I hope they tell you where to go. You come across as a hate-filled cretin who never sacrificed anything in your life.

cpots, if you don't suppport the troops but find harsh criticism repugnant, go to Iraq and help the millions of victims of the killers you appear to coddle, and if you ever get done, maybe then you'll be able formulate a logical argument to present about why we shouldn't blame all the poor Appalachian hillbillies who only joined the army as a way to pay for college, and then couldn't stop slaughtering because it's sooo complicated.

The families of US soldiers killed in Iraq should be forced to pay for the bullet that killed them.

george w. bush you talk like its so simple. your the equal yet opposite of the support the troops/warmongering right and you give the anti-war movement a bad name.

i don't have children because they grew up and became adults. i began educating them about war and politics when they were children, the same way i educated them about saying "no" to other things that they need to know about to keep themselves safe. my son registered with selective service as is required by men at age 18 in the u.s. i set an example of community service for them to follow and made sure he knew that, should a draft be revived, no one could make him become a killer if he was not willing to be one. if more people started living for their country, others would not think they have to die for it. i work on veterans issues every day because they are everywhere. being mad wastes energy.

O roe is me. Poor murdered occupiers. Poor Custer, he died for your sins. Erect a monument for the glorys seeking dirtbags and charge admission. I'll piss over the fence.

One in three military in Iraq have psychological problems? Make it 10 out of 10. They are all crazies and war mongers. They very well deserve to be called crazies, psychos, losers etc. because that is what they are. Very good comments about the people who end up in Iraq. These people are psycopaths, killers, rapists and , in general, losers. They decided to listen to Bush and enlist; they should accept what he gives them and keep quite. Bush relatives are not in Iraq, and if poor dumb slobs want to go, that relieves us of any responsibility for sending them. I want them to leave Iraq, today, every single one of the psycos. I do not support them in any way, never have and never will. One of the good things that can come out of this insane war if we begin to see the military jerks for what they are: losers and psycopaths, and convey this message to the rest of the country.

i believe in supporting the children of our legitimate armed forces , i do not believe in supporting war and i most of all i don't believe in supporting mercenaries.

"Not one gun-toting US military thug in Iraq today is there against his or her will."

Well and tough said . It takes guts to smear the bumper- sticker slogans like george w.bush has done . He is absolutely right ; this isn't Vietnam , they volunteered . Nobody should sympathize with me if I purposely walked in front of a passing truck. If any American is so dumb as to believe the recruiters'lies after almost five years , he or she deserves to die before he or she kills an innocent Iraqi or Afghani citizen.

We're pretty much in the minority guys but then again so was Florence Nightingale . (who?)

Read her bio , stupid . If Americans don't know what a single lady ( pun intended ) accomplished against a bureaucracy bigger than the Pentagon and are willing to follow in her footsteps then they deserve to inherit all that Florence fixed before she fixed it .

auspiciousbunny wrote:
"I know one young man from my home town who was killed in Iraq, who was very bright, but simply worshipped the military."

Sounds like a regular fuckin' Einstein. Was he killed at night? It's hard to imagine him being very bright unless he ate uranium cake until he glowed, which I guess would've made him an easy target after dark.

The USA has got to rid itself of this military worship they have. How many times have I seen a person dressed in military uniform cheered, why the hysteria. Does the average American think the military is defending America, surely not after 19 arabs( if you believe the story) attacked America with no response. The only conclusion I can reach is the schools are stuffing young peoples heads with this crap about military service being an honourable one when in fact it's nothing of the sort.

Having served in the British army for 25 years I don't expect any special treatment and I can honestly say I never shot at or harmed anyone during that time, I was lucky in a way because young kids with the means to cause havoc will cause havoc but that doesn't mean they should go unpunished.

The American and other troops in Iraq are there voluntarily, nobody forced them to join and needing a decent education is no excuse. They, like the civilian contractors are nothing but armed robbers with probably millions of deaths attributed to their indirect and direct actions. Iraq is now a country covered in D.U. with little or no basic services , millions made homeless and a hell like existance and we're supposed to feel sorry for the perpatrators. They all,to a man or woman need to be carted off to Guantanamo and left there to rot.

st john, I agree with much of what you say but this statement somehow doesn't ring true "We in the U.S. are willing to "enjoy" the fruits of the combat veteran's sacrifice, but unwilling to share in it." The fruits of veteran's sacrifice since vietnam has no bearing on our freedom or way of life as it implies. All these wars were paid for with by death and fortunes with no gain, our veterans sacrificed for nothing, a waste, a complete waste of men, international political capital and taxpayer money.

Childishly simplistic to know who had to go to war and the asses that sit on their keyboards all day and never stop shit, these are the same F@@KS that DO NOT have chidren, are unaware of where recruiters set their shops up.
Barn Burner, I planted headstones for 100 military women over veterans weekend, VETS4PEACE made 1800 headstones and allowed a place for friends and families for peace to have time with their murdered children.
Some of you MOTHER F@@KERS better grow up, these kids with brain injuries are being so screwed over and you all find that a laugh F@@king riot, pigs.

The Dems aren't even in control of the white house yet, and they have already gone into the tax and spend mode. How about a balanced budget for a change?

And they thought it was just like hunting deer and getting paid for it.

We have to start educating young people in this country about the reality of the military.

I know one young man from my home town who was killed in Iraq, who was very bright, but simply worshipped the military. A good friend's son just returned from the war wounded, he joined under similiar illusions. We need to break the illusions about the military on all fronts. We need to hold our elected representatives responsible for a war they approved, but we also need to provide an antidote to the romance TV, Hollywood and the media perpetuate about the military.

Coming home from a war as a young man of 20 who has had his foot blown to pieces is not exactly the romantic adventure TV and Hollywood makes the military out to be.

"The lessons learned by the Vietnam veteran could have prevented the needless slaughter of our troops and civilians. We should have learned from Vietnam that military force can not make a country do what you want it to do. The Iraqi veteran is bringing home the same message. It would do this society a whole lot of good to sit down and have a long talk with its veterans. They know the way to stop war.
Hoa binh"

You are so right. I returned from VietNam on 12/31/68, with no counseling and no preparation for civilian life. I was not wounded nor involved in major combat, as many others were. I still feel as though there is no understanding of what soldiers in combat experience, and no desire to learn. We in the U.S. are willing to "enjoy" the fruits of the combat veteran's sacrifice, but unwilling to share in it. The truth is that the fruits are only the short-term benefit; in the long term, there is only suffering from the actions of this government and its complicit participants, which is all of us. None of us is innocent of responsibility as long as we partake in low oil prices, food and other commodities delivered to us at unrealistic prices. View The Story of Stuff with Annie Leonard, www.storyofstuff.com, for a realistic accounting of what the imbalance of our society's consumption is.

The costs of war are unreportable until we recognize ALL the costs, now and in the future. We have not even finished paying for VN or the Korean conflict, and probably WWII, yet, and we are incurring a debt that is incalculable in the Middle East.

WAR IS OBSOLETE. WE ARE ONE. Wake up, America! It is time to pay the piper. Look within, not without, for your answers. THEY willl not solve your problem; only YOU can decide how to respond and take action.

Wake up dreamertoo and say something you think might make sense.

george w. bush, I hope you don't talk to yourself like that. Sounds like your tank is on empty.

The only way to really support the troops, now and in the future, is to know exactly what they are doing. These guys are coming home to a society that basically knows nothing about what their troops have been going through. I remember coming home from Vietnam in 1967 and thinking no one here knows what is going on over there. The same thing is happening today. The lessons learned by the Vietnam veteran could have prevented the needless slaughter of our troops and civilians. We should have learned from Vietnam that military force can not make a country do what you want it to do. The Iraqi veteran is bringing home the same message. It would do this society a whole lot of good to sit down and have a long talk with its veterans. They know the way to stop war.
Hoa binh

Another weepy, monotonous, harrangue aimed soley at the "Support the Troops" cult. Not one gun-toting US military thug in Iraq today is there against his or her will. It is an all voluntary, mercenary army. The pathetic little murderers can put down their guns right now, or whenever the notion of morality or honor flits through their noodle. Yep, they might get demoted, thy might a cut in pay, or even court-martialed for refusing to murder. Tough choice. Boofuckinhoo.

It seems clear to me that for this country to deal with its Addiction to War (good book), our veterans need to come out and speak out more about the realities of war and the physical and mental health problems developed because of service in war and occupation.

And it is a challenge. Who wants to discuss the painful, horrible and shameful? Who wants to renounce the experience that gives many the social respect they might not know without their military service? It's kind of like biting the hand that feeds you a food that slowly poisons you.

I've met family members of those who died in Iraq, those whose loved ones took their own lives, suffer from health problems from PTSD, TBI, Agent Orange, exposure to toxic chemicals, DU- It's painful to hear this and know that the leaders of this country sent our fellow citizens and those who want to be into these hells. I've heard of massacres by people who were there. The death, pain and destruction we've brought to places like Vietnam and Iraq and many dozens of other places is painful to contemplate. Yet our veterans, our soldiers and the people who we attack for empire and profit and all of their families pay a far more terrible price.

I've been told by a GI Rights hotline person that GIS are calling, knowing we're there for oil and Bushshit, and yet are more afraid of ostracism and rejection of their fellow soldiers, families and communities than of getting mentally and physically scarred or even killed.

A brain that's weak and a back that's strong will never be the qualifications of a great people. Or even a good people. We must do better.

I feel for our vets, our soldiers and those who our country has harmed. We need to tell our fellow Americans about the cost of lies and of militarization vs. taking care of all our people. We need to stop allowing US corporations from flooding the world with arms.

Join Veterans for Peace, (vets & nonvets), Iraq Veterans Against the War, Courage to Resist, School of the Americas Watch. Support US resisters in Canada and here.

Raise your voice against the destruction and violence. NOW!

Another world is possible. And necessary for our survival.

Go hear Col. Ann Wright on her book tour Dissent: Voices of Consicence

(TH- Jan 17th in Oakland www.couragetoresist.org)

Go hear David Solnit and Aimee Allison on their Army of None tour Portland-Seattle areas Jan 10-24th).

Take action!

Hoa Binh.

Listen to Steve Earle's Jeruselem, too!

Hmmm "Wounded Warriors Act", is that another sticking-plaster that ignores depleted uranium injuries?

I can't help thinking this recent attention to PTSD is a move against D.U. victims, by muddying the waters.
It's time the media stopped sidestepping the possibility of the greatest of all ongoing War Crimes, i.e. DU weapons and their victims.

Volunteers all, suffering and dying for Big Oil and Israel. What a waste! What a tragedy!