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Cloned Livestock Poised To Receive FDA Clearance
Get ready for a food fight over milk and meat from cloned animals and their offspring.After more than six years of wrestling with the question of whether meat and milk from them are safe to eat, the Food and Drug Administration is expected to declare as early as next week that they are.
The FDA had asked producers of cloned livestock not to sell food products from such animals pending its ruling on their safety. It isn't clear whether the FDA will lift this voluntary hold.
While many consumer groups still oppose it, the FDA declaration that cloned animal products are safe would be a milestone for a small cadre of biotech companies that want to make a business out of producing copies of prize dairy cows and other farm animals -- effectively taking the selective breeding practiced on farms for centuries to the cutting edge.
Because of the price tag -- cloned cattle cost $15,000 to $20,000 per copy -- most of the cloned animals will be used for breeding, and it will be three to five years before consumers see milk and meat from their offspring. Some animal breeders in the U.S. have already been experimenting with cloning animals. ViaGen Inc., the largest animal-cloning company in the nation, has cloned animals, such as a cow named Peggy Sue.
Consumer wariness toward cloned food may lead to a backlash from opponents in Congress and other markets, such as the European Union, who are concerned that not enough data are available for a viable study on the safety of the products. There are also ethical worries because cloned animals tend to have more health problems at birth than conventionally bred animals.
The food industry appears to be divided over the issue. Some big food companies say they're not interested in trying to market products from cloned animals or their offspring.
"Most consumers do not find this appealing," says Marguerite Copel, vice president of corporate communications at Dean Foods Co., one of the nation's largest milk producers, which says it won't sell any milk from cloned animals.
Dean and others in the food industry are also worried that there is no mandatory tracking system in place for products from clones or their progeny. The Food Marketing Institute, which represents food retailers and wholesalers, says its members tend to "strongly believe" that they must be notified if any of their suppliers intend to introduce cloned animals into the food supply.
"Whole Foods Market is committed to providing consumers with clone-free products," says Margaret Wittenberg, global vice president of quality standards and public affairs for grocer Whole Foods Market Inc. "The lack of effective governmental oversight and tracking could mean consumers will lose the ability to choose clone-free products."
ViaGen and Trans Ova Genetics, another of the three livestock-cloning companies in the U.S., recently announced a voluntary tracking system that will help food makers, slaughterhouses and marketers to prove, if they choose, that they aren't selling such foods. The program doesn't cover the offspring of clones, however.
Jeffrey Barach, vice president at the Grocery Manufacturers Association, the largest trade group for the food and beverage industry, says that as consumers become more educated, they'll become more accepting of such products, if they even notice them.
The meat industry is more bullish on cloned products than the dairy industry. The American Meat Institute Foundation, which represents large meat companies like Smithfield Foods Inc. and Hormel Foods Corp., thinks consumers might even come to appreciate the technology when they find superior products in the grocery-store freezer, like leaner and larger cuts of meat. For producers it might mean cows that have fewer calving problems or greater milk production.
"These animals are not some kind of freaks of nature," says James Hodges, president of the group.
But Tyson Foods Inc., also a member of the institute and one of the nation's largest producers of beef, says the company "currently has no plans to purchase cloned livestock, especially since it will likely be a long time before such animals" are available for market.
The FDA tentatively ruled in 2006 that milk and meat from cloned cattle, swine and goats are no different from healthy, conventionally bred adult animals. The agency has called cloning merely "a more advanced form of" breeding technologies already widely used in the cattle industry, such as artificial insemination, embryo transfer and in vitro fertilization.
Consumers, however, have a long history of turning up their noses at technological innovations in food. It took years for consumers to accept pasteurized milk as safe. Some consumers and consumer groups still refer to genetically altered foods, like those that contain genetically modified corn or soybeans, as "Frankenfood" even though such products have been on the market for more than a decade.
Many consumer groups and some members of Congress are vehemently opposed to cloned foods reaching grocery shelves. The Senate version of the proposed farm bill contained an amendment from Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski (D., Md.,) that would mandate that the FDA wait until further studies are done before releasing its final assessment of food from cloned animals.
Joseph Mendelson, legal director of Center for Food Safety, a consumer-advocacy group, said his group has filed a petition for the FDA to regulate cloned animals as an animal drug, as it is considering with genetically modified animals. (Clones are genetically identical copies and the sequence of their genes are not modified.)
"Once the FDA says these products are safe and that they are out there, it's very hard to turn it back," Mr. Mendelson said.
The FDA's decision has been closely watched by regulators around the world. There are already livestock clones in countries such as Australia, Canada, France, Japan and New Zealand, but they have rarely entered the food supply.
The European Food Safety Authority, the European Union's version of the FDA, will likely deliver its initial assessment on food from cloned animals next week, but the final decision won't come for several months. In addition, a special commission called the European Group for Ethics is conducting its own studies on the question of whether cloning is inhumane.
U.S. food companies could face more trouble from European Union regulators and consumers, who are unlikely to respond favorably to the idea of eating cloned animals or their offspring. According to a recent poll, 55% of Italians think the EU should ban food made from cloned animals.
The EU already bans most meat imported from the U.S. because it's often raised using hormones. (It imports only $70 million worth of meat a year from the U.S.) Similarly, trade rules allow the EU to ban the import of cloned animal food if it's for health and safety reasons.
Different regulatory approaches across the Atlantic may affect trade, especially in the EU dairy sector. The EU is the world's biggest dairy exporter, at $33 billion a year, and farmers need the best producing cows to stay competitive. Currently, the best breeders are in the U.S., and the EU buys $23 million worth of bull semen from the U.S. every year.
European breeders are worried that a ban on any derivatives of cloned animals would limit their access to the world's most productive cows. The European Forum of Farm Animal Breeders is lobbying the EU to make an exception for bull semen, even if it bans other types of cloned animal products.
"Product from cloned animals cannot be distinguished from non-cloned," it wrote in a recent letter to the EU Commission.
Write to Jane Zhang at Jane.Zhang@wsj.com, John W. Miller at john.miller@dowjones.com and Lauren Etter at lauren.etter@wsj.com
© 2008 The Washington Post



66 Comments so far
Show AllYou're right, Rebel Farmer.
Is it biodiversity or bioadversity when 'pig' is a formula?
This is a good reason to become a vegan.
It's the only way to avoid effects of the corporate clones in the FDA posing as human beings.
Because "Big Business" wanted it we got lead in paint & gasoline, we got MTBE in gasoline, we have chemicals in plastics that come into contact with our food and cause health issues, we have additives in food that cause cancer or make us obese. Can anyone add to this list? It is now to the point that even should you choose to limit or eliminate your exposure, you cannot because disclosure is in question. I am disgusted.
cloned bush family,friends and relations,poised to receive god's clearance. (make mine a nice tall glass of grass,please.moove over,elsie.)
Once again we see how science is dangerous. They burned witches for so much less.
It will lead to much more suffering for other species, but at least more people(the thinking ones) will see the benefit of going vegan.
kelmar, science is not dangerous.what is dangerous, are the greedy, twisted evil minds that try to lay claim of ownership,to the pure science unaltered,unfiltered, that is creation.
You cannot cover such a story and not include information about the big companies owning the patent on seeds and such. Globalization has brought us all closer together, but our leaders are not minding the store and the public's good is being pilferred. I write this because cloning animals is being done in labs along with a host of other experiments that are not good for us. Citizen watch groups must have a say in the development of food and drugs.
going vegan will work until they start messing around with corn, soybeans, etc. Oops, too late.
Allowing cloned animals is just a foot in the door to the next step planned by Big AG which is allowing genetically modified animal products into the food production system. Cloned animals are subject to a host of physical abnormalities as the "copies" get degraded. GMO animals, as they have already discovered with GMO plants, will also cause food illnesses such as allergies, lessening of nutrional quality and other problems.
As far as those saying go vegan, and you can avoid such problems, sorry to dissapoint you but with genetically modified vegetable foods such as corn, soybeans, canola, rice, etc., you're just not going to be able to avoid the consequenses. Even if you are able to go totally organic (the FDA is trying to allow cloned food products to be labled as organic) the organic farmer is in jeopardy of having GMO's contaminate thier organic crops (and then Monsanto sues them for "stealing" their products).
People must stand up to the Big Ag and absolutely refuse the continued degradation and aldulteration of our food sources.
Another eg of satanic science:
'Scientists create machine that knows what you are thinking
Published on Thursday, January 03, 2008.
Source: Daily Mail
Scientists have developed a machine which is capable of reading our mind and revealing our most private thoughts.
American researchers from Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, found that, with the aid of a sophisticated scanner and computer programme, they were able to determine how the brain lights up when thinking about different subjects.
Using an advanced form of MRI scanner, they analysed how the brain reacted to ten drawings of tools and buildings.
They then used a computer programme to work out whether a person was thinking about a tool or a building.
The researchers' analysis was found to be 97 per cent accurate but they went on to show that they could distinguish between two similar objects, such as two different tools, almost as successfully.
This is the first time the technique has been finetuned to distinguish between similar objects.
The brain scans also showed many different brain regions are involved in processing information even in the case of something as simple as a line drawing of a hammer.
Thinking about how a hammer is used activated the areas involved in movement, while thinking about the shape of a hammer and what it is used for lit up other regions.
etc
http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5161
What ever leads these frankensteins to travel down these paths?
FDA loyally serving industry....
Why does anyone promote cloned meat? Do we need it? This is one moreeg of the odious scientific attitude: 'if we can do it, thats reason enough to do it'.
Going vegan is fine. Going organic is best.
Note that we only have this new atrocity because scientists think they are liberated to treat nature as they please, and commerce sees it as a way to make more money. Each new scientific discovery leads us further on the road to disaster: just look at their track record: nuke power, plastics, GM, nanotechnology (grey goo), SSRI antidepressants (setting off an epidemic of mass murder), etc etc. Its time to reign in both these groups.
Proprietary monoculture undermines the huge diversity, relative economy, and natural immunity of human integration with the earth. Try growing heirloom and indigenous varieties. Seed sources for these include wild plants, plants growing in yards, ethnic farmers and ethnic food markets (especially outside the US), plus there are non-profit seed banks - but be careful -they are vulnerable to capitalist sabotage.
brianct, yes,it is the same old problem, greed.there is nothing 'bad' about science.it is the favors the scientists do for the rich and evil people that use science to exploit.
I won't buy any meat unless it has the USDA Cloned Choice stamp on it. Otherwise you don't know about the quality. The FDA is looking out for our (corporate) welfare and keeping the prices down so that the corporations can make an honest living. We must trust our government agencies, otherwise we are just wasting our tax money that goes to support them.
the long term goal is to eliminate the animal altogether. Sheets of meat could be grown in an nutrient pond with massive loads of antibiotics, chemicals and hormones.
Odds are cloned food will not even be labeled (including vegetables) in any way. I hear that Soylent Green is on the menu soon.
Clone burgers will be on the extra value meal menu.
They have been feeding chicken manure to cows for years as well as slaughterhouse waste (processed). You vegans have no idea what you are being fed unless you grow it yourself either. Don't be smug.
I have used natural foods for more than 30 years - more than half my life. During these years, on 3 separate occasions, I was a vegetarian, each time for years. Twice I was lacto-ovo and once I was vegan. Each time I had to stop because of health problems, i.e. I was protein deficient and, when I was a vegan, I was also EXTREMELY low in energy.
Each time I had to abandon the vegetarian way of life, with great misgivings and depression because I did NOT want to eat animal protein.
But I had no choice.
Contrary to what some may say, not everyone can be a vegetarian. It simply is not the best road for health for everyone. I think this is particularly true for those of us who descend from people who come from meat-eating cultures.
No, we cannot all be vegetarians. So, what is to be done when the FDA approves the use of milk and meat from cloned animals? I think all we can do is to continue purchasing these products from stores like Whole Foods and others who guarantee not to carry such products. We need to have ALL food labeled so we know what we are buying. And we need to make our voices heard in the halls of Congress.
Can't say we could not have seen this coming...
Domestication of animals have brought us and will continue to bring this planet grief. Most if not all diseases are animal borne. Farm animals require far more land and resources to produce than vegetation as food. According to Colin Campbell's "The China Study" we are better off with a diet void of animal products which will now (if not already) inevitably become cloned animal products.
What fascinates me most is our governments rush to allow this for human consumption so soon as well as not requiring labeling so consumers can choose for themselves (subverting capitalism by not allowing a product to prove itself in the market) as in Genetically Monsanto-fied corn.
So when the world's population grows well beyond our capacity to provide food and water people will become nothing but livestock for our corporate government handlers. Our lives already parallel the livestock industry. The average westerner is stressed out from work, eats out of a public trough called a supermarket filled with over-processed frankenfoods and cures their stress and poor nutrition induced illnesses with antibiotics and drugs from corporate owned medicine and drug suppliers (you know that flu shot everyone waits in line for after they are conned by the media in thinking it is necessary - moooo).
I hope you know what's in your hamburger. Remember "Soylent Green"?
Yeah, I know I watch and read too much SciFi, but you can't argue about Orwell's 1984's chilling account of our current modern day society. Maybe we need to get a better handle on the FDA or just start growing your own, buy local and stop going to the "SUPER MARKET".
Okay, I'm Done.
Read the book titled, "The Day They Killed The Pigs"
Corporate Interests = Devil or Satan
Science = Antichrist
Like they need to clone cows, don't they breed enough stock all by themselves? O.K. take them to the Bush palace on the moon and keep them indoors, but, on this planet they seem to do just fine on their own. Whats next cloning bunnies because they don't breed fast enough?
Shakker your funny! "Don't be so smug!" I like it! That is the truth. I would rather eat free range "non" organic meat than eat the regular supermarket vegetables. I won't even feed my pets non organic veggies, they're vegan. If anyone thinks regular veggies are better than (well at least free range, which would be like 'wild' sort of) meat, you are crazy! Imagine just eating a plastic vegetable with out any vitamins or nutrients.
Treefrog, science is a method for understanding nature. It is not a person so it can't be the Anti-Christ. Besides, Bush already owns that distinction.
I bet none of this will lower the price for the consumer.
I'm with farhorizons, and yes, I can add to the list... plasticizers that cause sex changes in animals and humans, surfactants that are on the EPA 4B inert list (suitable for organic agriculture), like several nonylphenol ethoxylates that also cause sex changes in fish and other species, pesticides like DDT still used in various places.
Cloned animals in the food supply? Why should we be surprised? Nothing is sacred anymore. Science has no respect for the processes of life, and scientists are like the fool who knows not what he does. Do you really think you can just replicate "things" and not pay a price for this? And just what do you suppose might be the price paid for messing with the foundations of life?
I laughed the first time I heard the term "substantially equivalent" from the USDA, referring to Frankenfoods, and this is the same thing. Caveat Emptor is now the the rule of the day...
Science does not have a neutral relationship with nature. It has done more harm to nature than anything on this planet, you are reading about another example here. It wants to improve nature and first has to dominate and control it.
Bush isn't the antichrist, no one believed him to be a man of peace to begin with, but science in it's collective efforts has and that is simply not true.
impeachbushco
Sorry to hear about your health problems with a vegan/vegetarian diet. Sometimes, when making a transition from one way of eating to another, the physical body is discomforted and a person feels weaker. It varies with each individual. And most importantly, it depends on the type of foods consumed on the "plant-based" diet.
Next month will be my 40th year as a vegetarian (lacto), and so far so good. I can remember the first 30 days of abstaining from flesh foods. I felt weaker, lost some weight, and my family made pronouncements as to my fate if I stayed on this "fad". After the first month, my energy increased, the lost weight was regained, and I now give dietary advice to my meat-eating relatives who have a host of ailments to contend with.
But getting back to this article on cloning and frankenfoods, we must remember that ol' Mother Nature is not mocked and we will eventually pay the penalty. The mutations and all the rest are frightening. It's all about money. Money, money, money. By the way, what do the hypocritical, soothsaying Christian evangelical/fundamentalists have to say about this perverted form of science?
I don't go to Whole Foods myself because Mackey, the founder is an arch-republican and anti-union individual. I make my purchases at the small, independent health food stores.
Shakker
Maybe Soylent Green is an idea whose time has come. Paul Ehrlich wrote an article several years ago that the planet could only support two billion people indefinately. Interesting times, indeed.
KEM PATRICK
is the book dealing with pigs in a farm, or 'pigs' in government?
BRIANCT
well as long as we don't think about tools and buildings we should be ok....
so right, everyone here, in order to sabotage these dastardly mad scientits as from now, none of us must think about tools or buildings......we can do it......we can outsmart them..........ha
'FOR PRODUCERS IT MIGHT MEAN COWS THAT HAVE FEWER CALVING PROBLEMS OR GREATER MILK PRODUCTION'
and thereby ensuring the continued suffering of these poor beasts. dolly the sheep was not the first cloned one. they had to experiment many times before they got it right. and some of those previous lambs were of abnormally large proportions and died. as for the greater milk production: can any female here imagine having your child taken away from you one day after its birth?? and then having to eject your milk artificially? i've seen videos of poor cows bellowing as their calves are herded onto a truck to be taken for slaughter.
In Theory, there is nothing 'wrong' with the Cloning of any lifeform, and potentially some 'gains' -- but "unintended consequences" can arise out of anything, No? [For instance, massive-Cloning of prized animals/veggies 'could' improve (if also narrowing/limiting foodstocks), but inevitably would reduce the more-natural 'evolution'/selection for potential-but-now-'lost' even-better Exemplars of these same foodstocks]
[And, 'Vegans' and others really _should_ know and be-aware that both Cloning and poorly-researched&clumsy 'genetic-modifications' ("Frankenfoods") are already RIFE amongst the veggies/fruits/berries/nuts they are already consuming -- e.g. some tomatoes contain frog-DNA, some Monsanto-corn is cloned&'seedless'.]
It could be that Cloning makes real&economic 'sense'. It also could-be that the simple variable/'fact' of thusly exposing a fertilized-cell to light, of itself, somehow taints the end-result regards food-value and/or the health of the consumer. [In nature, one 'successful sperm' finds entry into a viable-egg, then matures WITHOUT any exposure to 'light' throughout the process -- and we've no 'clue' if even such simple exposure to 'light'-UV/IR (much-less the hundreds of other 'variables' involved in most current-Clonings) during cloning/in-vitro processes may-well subject the subsequent 'product', eventually, to Hazards of varied-forms -- so these technologies might therefore be disastrous for this and multiple-other Factors/reasons, or -- it might be a great&expeditious-way to improve food-stocks?]
Roll the dice?
It makes sense, to me, to 'roll them' and Experiment with all possible technologies, but to also be 'guarded' about any mass-distribution of such 'products' until such a time when we are reasonably-sure they are actually 'safe' in all of their-aspects/applications...
If you knew the truth and history of the FDA I think tree bark would sound pretty tasty right about now. While you can still find one that isn't genetically manipulated.
CULICOMORPHA: Excellent post, my sentiments exactly. To the crowd that has such confidence in science, it reminds me of those that presume government can be trusted to make decisions of benefit to the people. There are certain things, like the codes of life, that are too precious to tinker with. It's a Pandora's Box to be sure, and a price will be paid for vandalizing the sacred with irreverent hands (and intentions, like profit).
I honestly don't know what you all are so angry about. The cloned/GMO products will kill two birds with one flu:
1. All of the progressives can have one ginormous clusterfuck of an elitist shopping spree at Whole Paycheck (Trader Joe's is not good enough, it MUST be
Whole Paycheck!)
2. All of the "unthinking" non-vegans and meat-eating proles will be weeded out of the gene pool via illnesses related to consumption of hormones, other additives and pesticides.
Ta-ta!
Allowing cloned animals to run the FDA affects the food supply.
Charlotte was not cloned.
"Sheets of meat could be grown in an nutrient pond with massive loads of antibiotics, chemicals and hormones." (shakker)
Humans grown using this method were found to be less unruly.
One question not raised here so far is whether it is "legal" to patent life itself. Those cloned animals are going to be patented, just like all the GMO crap. So, when all is said and done, who owns life itself? When all we have left of biodiversity is patented crops and animals, who has the power to control what you eat?
Thoughts?
We all can be more locavore.
And we can boycott all meat/milk deprived of a free range, sunless life as toxic products. Hunters, farmers, real men try for a calm happy animal to feed themselves and their family.
There is no longer any excuse for subsidized corporate, agri-businesses. Is there?
Remember mad cow? Chronic Wasteing disease? Alzhiener's symptoms?
:)gwenith
"i've seen videos of poor cows bellowing as their calves are herded onto a truck to be taken for slaughter." (coco)
Ignorance no matter how it's cloned will never replace intelligence; not caring will never replace caring.
People who think science is somehow superior when it excludes human factors aren't thinking, they're just cloning thoughts.
"Patents to plants which are stable and reproduced by asexual reproduction, and not a potato or other edible tuber reproduced plant, are provided for by Title 35 United States Code, Section 161 which states:
Whoever invents or discovers and asexually reproduces any distinct and new variety of plant, including cultivated sports, mutants, hybrids, and newly found seedlings, other than a tuber propagated plant or a plant found in an uncultivated state, may obtain a patent therefor, subject to the conditions and requirements of title. (Amended September 3, 1954, 68 Stat. 1190)."
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/plant/index.html
Most likely we're already eating cloned meat (those of us who partake of flesh foods).. they're just getting around to telling us about it now.
I guess we have to all have our own family/personal seed banks and grow our own vegetables and raise our own livestock.. I think a nice fishin pond would go nicely in the yard along with the veggie garden. (I can't see myself slaughtering a pig/chicken/cow for food, although I routinely buy the pre-slaughtered-packaged-in-plastic-and-styrofoam versions..)
*sigh*
This sort of thing turns me off of eating animal flesh:
http://www.meat.org/index-1.asp?c=MYMblogadtd1207
"Contrary to what some may say, not everyone can be a vegetarian. It simply is not the best road for health for everyone." (impeachbushco)
The Dalai Lama agrees; he also "had to abandon the vegetarian way of life".
(Nicely put, impeachbushco.) :)
No COCO, the story is about pigs in a slaughter house in Chicago. A very old book. Very sad too.
That photograph was taken at the Bush family reunion.
Big agriculture is disgusting itself on its own without having to clone meat. I'm outraged by how they treat cattle to begin with! Go read the Omnivores Dilema, Fast Food Nation, or the Jungle.
Remember eating local is best! Try to eat more vegeterian and vegan products if you can also!
There is a cheaper way to create pigs: put a fertile male together with a fertile female and wait. You save money and get genetic variance at the same time!
That's 1% worldwide- fewer than 2000 diagnosed cases in 2006 according to the CDC. Let's not forget smallpox, completely eradicated everywhere thanks to vaccination. Total eradication means that the risks of both the vaccine and the disease itself are gone, except in a few exceptional cases.
I totally agree about the loss of understanding of the natural world. People don't realize that when humans tamper with DNA, the risks are far greater than anything else we are used to. You could throw the whole gradually evolved system into destructive chaos. However, it doesn't help the cause to make judgements based on emotion rather than reason, which I think too many progressives do. They seem to think that anything natural is good and anything manmade must be evil. The truth is far more complex. The creature comforts we have created are not natural, but used carefully and in moderation they can do far more good than harm. Also, nature is not always benign- far from it. That's why most people prefer to live in houses, rather than untamed forests. Some people are shocked to discover that there are naturally cancer-causing plants. Ever hear of bracken fern?
The dichotomy between humans and nature is somewhat nonsensical, because humans are part of nature- an evolved species with as much of a right to proliferate as any other. Certainly, our lives deprive the ecosystem of resources that could be used by other creatures- but it is important to remember that our sorrow about this fact is an aesthetic judgement, not an ethical judgement. How many polar bear lives would justify the taking of one human life? Is there any finite number?
REBEL FARMER asks, "So, when all is said and done, who owns life itself?" What a question, one that should never need BE asked! When you consider the composition of the present Supreme Court, and the legal atmosphere that gives torture a consensual pat on the back... the moral implications of having DNA mapped during THIS juncture, this moral blackhole, is chilling. So-called intellectual copyright has been extended to the fixing of genetic codes as if we were talking about a HUMAN creation. I see this "development" on a par with depleted uranium. It is an invitation for unleashing nature. MOTHER nature spent countless millenia devising combinations tirelessly in her workshop: the natural world. And it's there done for LOVE, not $. Now we have young people in lab coats who have studied math and had a few years of testing and they get to play god with genetic combinations. Let us realize that once these abominations are let loose (like the genetically modified crops that wind and water currents are designed to carry long distances) there IS no recourse.
The day the DNA molecule was entirely mapped and for-profit genetic corporations thought they could lay claim to regions of the molecule much in the way imperialistic nations laid claim to geographical regions, the realization came that the DNA operates as an entity. Its entire operation defines what goes on. It's not a matter of locating X disease on Y marker, etc. Larry King had The Dali Lama and Deepak Chopra (if memory serves me well) on the show that night discussing the development. From an astrological perspective, the planets travel orbits that range from 28 days (moon) to 248 years (Pluto) and SEVEN of the 10 (that astrologers use) were all in Taurus when this ruling came out. Taurus is the sign of the Earth as mother, and here on display for all educated astrologers to note was a manmade ruling that ultimately co-opted RULE of nature. The Indigenous have a saying, "the land does not belong to us, we belong to the land." Whenever the notion of private property/ownership takes hold of things sacred, all HELL breaks loose. I am disgusted with this decision, and my studies of mysticism take me back to Atlantis and the same hubris on display. Great flood, anyone? Nature may have to once more clear the template to begin anew.
Siouxrose,
Excellent commentary!
Mother Nature is not mocked and just may clear the template again to begin anew. The United States is the epitome of hubris. We are strong-arming the rest of the world, but they are turning away from our perverted science. As you know, the Europeans coined the phrase, "Frankenfoods".
Again, it all comes down to money and power.
Good posts.
If you live in the states, there's now no escape imho from having some mutant area of the food supply get into your dishonestly labeled wholepaycheck processed foods. The FDA is not only allowing this as a matter of rule (coke to be labeled as natural!), but they are not enforcing that organic food be truly organic. They say they are, but explain to me how Genetically unstable corn (which was o.k.ed by them to feed to animals but not peopls) got into shelve products for humans last year? How many other "whoopsies" are going on out there in the name of big foodco profits?
Guys, maybe the secret is to do what the poor people in society do: the latinos, etc: they don't shop the same places you do (they just can't afford it,) in Calif they have Vairtta (sp?) food stores with awesome cheap produce from south america. Now the place stinks, and nobody speaks a word of english, but that's not going to kill you. Big strange green mangos and all kinds of tropical fruit that peasants eat, complete with black spots telling me they don't have frankenfood pesticides spliced in yet.
(Just stay out of the latino meat section o.k? It's a real mexican blood bath! Flies and everything!)
When in the states, we just don't eat out anymore, because even in the sushi shops I've spotted boxes in the back with ADM franken-soy on them..... No place is safe.
And don't buy anything in plastic. The crap is coming ashore way out here on my little island.
This world is a hopeless mess.....