Impeachment is in John Conyers Office.

i was tricked by you , you just are spoiling for fight...apparently you didn't really read my posts , or you would have realized that i knew cindy was for impeachment...tomorrow,some other time...maybe after you elect me...some other place , oh , yea like in congress !! "vote for me" "vote for me" i'll impeach him singlehandedly while trying to stay afloat in a shark pit...o.k. now i'm forced to be mean again...she is a great lady , who got way full of herself ,probably does too much prescription drugs , and was unable to stay focused on the best path to retribution for casey and the american people. we don't need her fuking candidacy ..WE NEEDED IMPEACHMENT ,NOT LATER...AFTER THE CROOKS ARE GONE..YESTERDAY !!!!! and as far as hugo chavez goes , the verdict is not in ,yet. He started out good ,seems to be becoming just another tyrant, quickly. and it was a very stupid SHOWBOAT distraction from the very important task of impeaching bush/cheney.. i gave you way too much credit and way too much of my time , you are another silly ninny ,with twisted priorities and.of course cindy can replace nancy ...she is morphing more into nancy with each passing day.she was not the issue-bush was..and it is damn obvious, she got distracted.

As far as I know, Cindy is all for impeachment. She is not in the position that can move it forward. Nancy Pelosi is and yet has proclaimed it "off the table." If you ask me, Cindy, in running for Pelosi's seat, is sending a clear message that she is not satisfied with Pelosi's service to her district and wants to replace her.
Also, in addressing a variety of issues, Cindy is looking at the big picture. Hugo Chavez is the kind of president we can only dream about here in the U.S.
As far as Cindy having an inflated image of herself--you've got to be kidding. Or delusional.

blessthebeasts, not as much as cindy , and i did not feel good about doing this , but i do believe it is the truth...impeachment at that time could have helped save us all and everything.what did hugo chavez have to do with impeaching , bush ?no , cindy forgot what the real purpose and mission was, impeachment isnt a choice it was a NECESSITY, and her(our) moment is gone . daniel ellis is a wolf in sheep clothing. cindy was easily seduced and she quickly developed an inflated image of herself and her self importance it was not about her , it was about impeachment and she really did blow it ,for all of us (just like pelosi did)she will be no better than tits on a doorknob ,in congress , she is out-gunned and not in her natural element..i had been wanting to tell cindy those things for a long time...'there is room at the top , they're telling you still,but first you must learn to smile as you kill.if you want to be like the folks on the hill." john lennon

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Why in the whole Congress not one Senator or Representative found it possible to stand alongside Cindy at Crawford, Texas?
Chickenshits, all. Intimidated by the atmosphere of fear and potential loss of corporate support. Another way to spend 24/7? Sit down and write to your elected officials and demand a response supporting Cindy. But don't hold your breath. Cabbage Head

thought i would check back in , to see how every body was, wow,what a difference a day makes.there has been a little action here , since last night . read the posts.well ,cindy said she wanted to be nancy pelosi when she grew up,looks as if she made it,congratulations !

a mission meant to be for the 'greater good' - didn't need you as candidate , needed you as the catalyst - for impeachment . . i hope you enjoy your celebrity and your new found income , i guess you think it was worth giving up the impeachment-dreams of the people for. Best wishes in your candidacy , be careful what you wish for.....you may get it .

nayoibi--What have you done lately for the "common good?" Just wondering.

it's okay ,thank you to you and to the sacrifice that casey made , may it never be in vain. election is not a suitable substitute for impeachment.

i admired the way ms. sheehan so quickly stepped up to the plate for casey and the people. she was quick to scoop up the gauntlet she had been given and the chance to pin that tail down hard on the jackass.the assignment was not seen thru , she did not go for the throat of impeachment while her 15 minutes were hot , becoming distracted by fame and book deals.i do not hate her for showing the weakness that we humans are prone to. i am lamenting a golden opportunity giving way to the greatest enemy of mankind ,greed .

it was not meant to echo-back only her name to all of us , it was meant to proclaim , 'impeachment !'

oh, and I assure you the world trade centers got hit by planes and fell because as it happened I was about a 1/2 mile away and watched them go down.

A friend of mine is in the NY fire department and was there, and he assured me the smoke and fire were also real. As well as people jumping from the upper floors. I'll have to take his word for it, you can take or leave my word.

fair enough, put it that way in the future and it will be possible to have a discussion about the article and not about you. which seems to be what you want from time to time, and where, for all we know, you may not be what you represent yourself to be.

also, I'd suggest, relevant to this, take it for what it's worth, that you not make false claims - if that's what that was I referred to above, I don't know - lest everything you write appear false as well.

I assure you, I may or may not be a free thinker, I'll work at it. I'm almost positive I'm not a fascist. Again, though, you are impugning things about my character. Like the "swift boaters" - I said "like" I didn't say that you "were a 'swift boater.'" You are making those deductions on your own, and I have tried to convince you to do otherwise. I can only say that they are, for me, absurd, but that's my point of view.

Here, I may as well be nobody, so it don't matter.

" everyone has the inalienable right to think for themselves",these were the words of the very first poster,geof29,on this thread.he seems to be from the school of 'democracy for the priviledged few' and did not apply to me.i was expressing my own personal disappointment,that while ms. sheehan had the wave of popular support,she did not use that people-power to firm up her stand on impeachment , instead being seduced by her own well-earned celebrity ,ms. sheehan did a 180 turn and decided to run for office and maybe after we elect her ,then just maybe,later and sometime after bush/cheney are long-gone ms. sheehan might get around to impeaching them ,nearly single-handedly.i contested that i felt ms. sheehan's celebrity had gone to her head and become a confused and star-struck mush. i thought that i had the right to think for myself ,geof29 ,in your world,that only applies as long as i do not say something you(g29) do not like and the free-thinker g29 ,also said he did not approve of the words i chose to express what i thought. no offense g29,but isn't trying to censor the 'words' i choose to use rather fascist, in nature ? i also had to bring up a legitimate query , that we are all living in a time when nothing is what it appears to be ,so i posed the notion,for consideration,that it was even possible ,in cyberspace that even the authors represented here ,might not be whom they claim to be ,as that is always a consideration anytime you are flying around in cyberspace.i feel that i have the right to wonder how deeply the use of smoke and mirrors,go and i have the right to ponder the possibility that things are often not who or what they appear to be.just cause someone claims to be a nader or a sheehan , don't necessarily make it so.

Cindy's numbers keep getting better on Daily Kos, with 58% who miss her and want to bring her back in the latest poll, opposed to 38% who favor party loyalty over ethics.

wow ,this is strange...i am sure i posted something here,last night..., its gone.

Actually, Nayiobi,

One last thing, when you say, "in the years i have posted here," this is a statement that we can easily verify by going to the Archives, and checking your posts. Go here:

http://www.commondreams.org/archives.htm

and then google your own name, nayoibi, and your posts will appear.

I had to think a bit a little further on that one last night. I would also imagine that an alarm would go off for the moderator of any discussion site for various reasons I wouldn't get into here.

Secondly, Cindy, and Eric, the revolution will be extremely difficult due to the various chicanery that's been played on the population, in reference also to what I was claiming earlier. I mean, how many of us have fallen to the tactics of "swift boating?" But, one has to recall the efforts of Dr. King and Gandhi who find that attacking the problem antagonistically posits the problem directly back to one's self. And Cindy discussed that in an earlier article.

We have been, I think, purposefully divided. Until there is a shock to the system and we realize that our common good has been absconded, we might all stand around in that garden bickering with each other on what needs to be done for our common good. Because the disseminated falsehoods have made us concentrate on our own individual imagined pleasures or displeasures brought to us by advertising agencies and "newspaper reporting," and whatnot, we fail to see the forest through the trees at our own peril. "We'll starve first before we're gonna do any work in any garden. I'll die before I'm gonna have a revolution."

In the heavy snows of Iowa, the other day I saw an interviewed truck driver announce with certainty that he'd happily vote Bush in for another term if he could.
What chance a critical mass of common sense amongst 300million? There are flowers (like Cindy) in the desert, but the desert is expanding.
Online bitching ain't enough!
IF, doing the right global/humanitarian thing could be made profitable, and vice (very) versa....

you didn't disturb me at all, believe me. however, it's like being in a schoolyard and the conversation can go nowhere when someone's observations then get shot back exactly the same way as they went out. "i'm not, you are."

continue to be "skeptical" all you want. so far, and I speak for myself, you haven't provoked any thought at all. and that's the problem. . .you've merely ridiculed, tried to create contempt.

maybe I'll see you around.

geof29, i have read and re-read your posting.your tone sounds like it is coming from a place of your 'moral superiorty and the tone of the letter is a bit 'threatening' in the years i have posted here,the one theme that keeps popping its ugly head up,is posters who project their own selves onto another.you are correct in stating that i find the bush regime close to not tolerable, but all other things you have accused me of,i find contained within your own words. my opinion will probably not matter a hill of beans to anyone,i am not a serious threat,if it struck a chord within you then i can only surmise, that it caused you to doubt, the things you were previously sure of.that was my intention, in cyberworld,even ms. sheehan is an anonymos entity and that was the whole point of what i said.i am sorry you did not like my choice in words,perhaps i can find words that you will 'approve' of.believe me,i do not have an ego problem,i have an skeptical problem. it is a good thing to provoke thought, i apoligize if i disturbed your bubble.

geoff29 ,sounds like a personal problem,get over it.

your error is first of all and essentially pride. You aren't arguing with us, you are demonstrating a moral superiority. To us, as we are to you no doubt, but to us you are just an anonymous entity hiding behind an avatar. But you have fallen under the impression that you and your ideas are posted in big lights. that's got to be a common mistake.

secondly, your arguments are irrational. I mean words like "seduced" and "conspiracy" and "whitewashed over" really what you must make of yourself??

if bush said something truthful, which justifiably you could call into doubt, however, if he did, you would I hope be inclined to say, "bush told the truth for a change" instead, you put yourself on that pedestal of crassness which instead of recognizing a truth when it presents itself,claims that it can not possibly be the truth just because YOU find bush intolerable out of your own biased emotions, that he's a "sell out" or a "shill" whatever you choose.

That's a kind of falsehood we here are having to deal with everywhere and when it comes here, believe me, if you don't take what I'm telling you to heart and try to mollify your sentiments based on your emotions, you will be gone in a short while, laughed off the premises both behind your back and when you show up. No one will be concerned if that happens. Consider that a prophecy.

We really don't care what you think about Cindy, just mull over what she has written and see if you can find any truth in it or not. If you can prove your opinions in reasoned discourse I assure you everyone here will listen to you.

i can read and i know that my comments are very mild in comparison to others.i always state why i say what i do and have never resorted to violence,as others have posted.i am capable of doing my own homework,weighing the evidence and making an informed opinion.i remain open to the views of others and am always willing to learn.the only reason,i can surmise the hostility i have encountered,is because i am not saying the things,others want to hear.such as,oh yes,without a doubt,this is the cindy you all know and love or yes,of course,your votes will be counted. or of course al gore is the global-hero you think he is,he won the nobel prize.i know we are all living in a time,when NOTHING,is what it appears to be. it is prudent to question and try 'authority.

jim,do you really believe that the candidates we are given to choose from will bring about 'good' change ? unless bush/cheney are impeached,which looks almost hopeless,now.we will get more of the same.i would like to believe that the goodness that was cindy would bring light to a dark situation,events over the last eight years,make it doubtful.i still believe cindy could have made a dent in the effort to impeach and instead was seduced.you called me a 'bad child' i do not believe the contents of my heart would support your evaluation.i believe this is all conspiracy-because it is.it is not even whitewashed over,anymore our leaders lie openly and profusely.i hope ms. cindy is up to the job of dealing with the criminals who so far,have gotten a free pass.yes,i have openly questioned or scorned the 'authorities' the naders and the sheehans etc..because i am not sure if they are really who they say they are and wish to test their waters and their mettle.i no longer believe much of what i see or hear and have learned to rely on my gut.,but i have never attacked another poster,first.just like you did,by calling me a bad child,that needs help.i do not need help and do not believe in the pseudo-science of psycology and all their related drugs..maybe they help some hard-core cases but they are thrown around like candy and more often make the problems,much worse.

OK nayoibi,

Maybe only God can judge you but you judge most everyone harshly, as your comments will remain for all to see.

We all need help, not just you.

dear god,please forgive jim,he is like all of us,desperate to believe in someone and something and oblivious to obvious realities..cindy will not change them,they have changed her.YOU,are the only father i have and YOU are the only ONE,that can judge or excuse me.jim needs help.

good sentiments,mealsotoo,but right now i would settle for the mere impeachment of bush/cheney and then we could consider skull and bones,later.baby steps could lead to big ones.the issue most of us fiirst came to commondreams for was impeachment.it is the smallest sane thing to demand and while cindy was on a roll with alot of supporters,she could have helped push for it.i no longer believe our votes matter,especially since this doppleganger cindy,usually speaks shallowly, and on previous posts, says things like "vote for me".impeach first-then run for congress.she is just letting the clock run out.

Dear Cindy,

Please excuse nayoibi.

Like a bad Child, nayoibi needs attention in the form of Help.

Love, Jim

"Instead of alienating most of those she needs support-from, why doesn't Cindy (and her organizations/well-wishers/etc.) 'protest' something that almost EVERYONE in the USA would like to see 'Protested' — something relevant to all she wants to see-Changed, and not as poorly-selected a Target as Pelosi/Impeachment/RoseBowlCharade/Crawford/the Pentagon/etc.

How about she brings Focus upon something that is all-about elitist-Evil and that NO ONE who is Sane wants to 'defend' — either Dem-or-GOP?

How about joining the faculty/Admin/students of Yale in acting to un-Charter, Ban, and Demolish the Skull&Bones-'mausoleum' — right on their own Campus? [And, maybe-first, properly bury any actual-skulls, within — like Geronimo's and/or Torrijos'/Saddam's (all Bush-family contributions, just generations-apart)?]

This would be a good/Positive 'start' for Cindy's future political-career, would it not? [Would those in the Christian-Right really object to such riddance of Idolatry and feigned Satan-worship amongst its precious-'heroes', and would the Conservative/'rural'/working-class 'silent-majority' protest the loss of a Secret/Elitist-Society ultimately deciding where/when their less-wealthy sons&daughters are going to die?]

Cindy — this will again hurl you SMACK onto the Evening-News, everywhere. And neither Kerry nor Bush nor any Yale-presidents/alumni can 'defend' allowing this Monstrosity to continuously feed the bi-Partisan 'machine' that kills-our-young, and benefits only the Wealthy/Corporate of America.

Do it, Cindy. Get some people 'behind-you, instead of against-you'…

Let's all write Cindy at:
http://www.gsfp.org/
…and urge her to extend her intents and efforts towards Protesting something that NO ONE can 'defend', and which is the ultimate-symbol of ALL that Cindy stands opposed-to — The Skull&Bones 'nursery' that spews-forth the Intel, the Militant, the Corporate and the Covert-EVIL that is directly responsible for killing Casey (and so-many others like him).
Who, in America, would NOT Join her in this renewal/escalation of her efforts — properly-Targeted?
WHO would speak for the 'right' of this drug-profit 'endowment' to continue to poison those that 'the powers that be' deem to be the "best and brightest" of America's-youth — turning the Cream of both Liberal&Conservative-scions into the sour-Curd of covert-Intel/Militaristic-profiteers/Corrupted-media/Uncontrollable-Corporatism?

Maybe when this Horror is but a hole-in-the-ground and an 'unpleasant-memory' at Yale, we can then look-West to a secret-meeting in a Californian-forest, or a also-secret Bilderbergian-nightmare, or a Clintonesque Rhodes-ideology brainwashing of another Southern-governor?
But THIS Creature, alone in its blatant-effrontery, is THE prime-Target and potential Ground-Zero that could really galvanize/organize/rally the great American-Public itself — ALL of them — against those who have so abused them with Their-Privilege, and have been doing-so for Generations."

geof29, "the revolution means arguing for our perspective,the preservation of not just various individuals,but for the good of the species,or die." my sentiments,exactly.we as individuals and as a species,had better put all the blame where it belongs(on the criminals in government) and hold them accountable.the preservation of our species (humans) is totally dependent on 'outing' those who do the most and greatest evils and holding them accountable.if humanity does not fight for it's rights, i am afraid the 'species' may not survive. cindy is allowing them to carry on business,as usual.

the issue of Cindy involving herself with the destructive forces is something she has to deal with. we can agree or disagree with how she does that as we see fit. We have the choice not to finance her campaign, for example.

However, I find myself agreeing with the principle, the matter of her argument. How we go about acting on that principle, in this case the necessity of some kind of revolution, of change, is a business we are trying to establish amongst this perhaps small group of individuals here on this site, as probably representative of many other sites, and maybe many other groups of people.

As I have suggested above, the size of that group, whether it comprises only one person or a billion, is immaterial. The issue is dramatic change, and initiating that change in whatever way suits our predicament, temperament, and dispositions. Not to do so, either metaphorically or physically, is to die off. It's a simple choice.

we do have the power to change as a matter of fact. Not just in the electoral process, but in changing ourselves. I believe I've heard Siouxrose and Doom n Gloom(sp?), exemplifying two substantial voices of this principle on this site, amongst many others here of course, argue that just one person making a positive change forces that change on the rest of the universe, on the rest of humanity, even if it happens at the pace of a drop of water melting off a glacier eventually eroding the land and making a river to the sea.

Keeping ourselves locked into the ice, unwilling to adapt new ways of being or thinking just because someone else doesn't and we fear how it might seem if we do, because there's an established manner of being dressed in suits and ties, or togas and tunics, locks ourselves in the ice until the gathering heat forces us on our way.

non-participation with "no good" has proved to be an effective method throughout the ages, even if its results are not the immediate gratification that our media has taught us to expect. No military, no might that ever has been or ever will be will conquer that unless it is hell bent on self destruction.

geoff29, my sentiments,exactly.stop following misguiding entities .stop following,period.i am not blundering in darkness ,eyes wide open.when cindy stopped calling for impeachment.and instead she made the decision to run with them and maybe get around to impeachment........later...sometime...maybe..i stopped believing in her.she's not revolutionary,anymore..she is status quo and business as usual.she now encourages her sheep to be 'good little romans' and get out and vote,the 'master' wants your votes.cindy could be using her power and her supporters to further,impeachment.cindy has taken impeachment off of the table.

If we persist in a folly of following a misguiding, misinforming entity, if we persist in being "good romans" we should find ourselves in certain respects like nayoibi, picking apart minutiae, blundering around in a darkness, being divisive, creating problems which serve only to further isolate and separate us, rather than bring us together, though we may have individual disagreements or differing opinions, for a common goal.

A common goal which is that world affairs and world leaders have to change, be willing to adapt, immediately, they and their system no longer works. It's not the other way around. They have to change, as many of us have had to in advance of them, rather than hide their heads, and preserve a status quo which has died as all those which preceded it have done, and all those which may follow may very well do.

No system has been a permanent solution. Had the solution to life of the indigenous populations been permanent, it would not have been beaten down for so many years by occupying forces. If some form of indigenousness returns in the future, as some of us argue that it must, it will have acquired new attributes that contribute to its future welfare.

The revolution means arguing for our perspective, the preservation of not just various individuals, but for the good of the species as a whole. Or die.

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doppleganger ?

dear radio_tec
duh...what a dumb mistake...
i should apologize to every history professor i ever had!
love
cindy

msmutt,interesting but i always try to take my WICKEDPEDIA (WICCAPEDIA) with a tanker of salt.

Cindy, do you know I'm running for president? My name will part of the list on the Arizona state ballot. My platform is building a network of arcologies (ecological cities) based on human rights.

Check it out: http://projectwhitehouse.wordpress.com/

http://doctress.wordpress.com/

I'm hoping someday you will recognize me and we can work together on saving America.

Doctress Neutopia, aka Libby Hubbard

www.lovolution.net

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_scandal

dear gail, thanks for info.i am not surprised.ron paul results not even mentioned on news. this whole thing with cindy is some kind of enigma,nonsensical divorce from reality and all of the obvious bells and whistles going off around us.

Cindy, enjoy this year in review:

http://action.credomobile.com/comics/index.xml

Thanks Cindy for all you say and do. Good luck with your race against Nancy Pelosi. Your in my prayers

get a group of individuals together in a garden with no idea of how to go about planting various edible foods, and it's more likely than not that they will starve unless someone has the goodness of heart to let them know what needs to be done.

Part of the problem of the authoritarian discourse, is its patent superficial illogic. Until we, being honest well meaning folk for the most part, learn how to reason out our own justifiable individual perspectives, our efforts will be repeatedly uprooted by that illogic before it has the opportunity to bear fruit.

On the other hand, there is a logic behind what is being done based on a preservative of "ideals" that exist for a certain "minority" of the population, that has probably failed to keep the rot from invading it's kitchens.

Until people recognize and accept that their survival depends on the health and sustainability of the whole society, no system of organization will survive in the long run. Unlike Paul's ants, humans have free will. They individually choose to support the sustained survival of the colony or they don't.

I don't want to be preprogrammed like an ant, but I sure would like to see my community, and all of the other communities on earth, be able to sustainably lead their lives in cooperation. It really is the only long term answer. This whole "every man for himself" and pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps is nonsense. I am not my brother's keeper, but I sure need his cooperation and help to survive.

Oh, and the notion of restoring the commons is fundamental in cooperative societies. No individual or group should ever be able to own or degrade the common assets that are required for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Things like clean air, pottable water, and living soils to grow food, to name a few.

Cindy! Lots of us miss you at Daily Kos! Check out the poll on this diary. 56% love you, Cindy, compared to a meager 39% who put party loyalty ahead of ethics.

Actually, Abagail Adams was the wife of John Adams, second President. As such, she was the mother of John Q. Adams.

geoff29: I've studied many societies, both human and non-human. Ants come to mind here. They apparently lack leaders, and yet cooperate seamlessly in their colonies. What binds them together, evolutionarily speaking, is self-interest well-tuned and aligned to group-interest. Indeed, that self/group dualism doesn't exist in any ordinary sense. Anyone approaching this study is better off leaving that framework at the doorstep and starting out with "hive intelligence" instead.

In your example, the people would reef in a sail because they want a share of the day's catch. But ants are chemically/biologically activated to certain roles (sisters, males, queen). So in the human case, there must be additional options. Not merely participating as a worker in order to obtain a share, but the option to strike out on his/her own, build their own boat, etc.

In the human case, exploitation kicks in when people are (a) denied a commons from which they may freely extract resources (b) permanently displaced as workers.

This is not a genetic/chemical thing in the human case -- the whole system is maintained by latent threats of violence to keep people in check.

when a person deserves to be told what to do.

there are many instances, Paul, I don't mean to disagree with the one you cite, but, when you have a large group that needs to accomplish a "good end" - reefing in a sail, ie - in an efficient manner and that manner is more or less determined to be for the good, then certainly the organizational principles of being "told what to do" might be a good thing.

So, Paul, you'd be best breaking it down into particular examples rather than universal ones.

The issue in that statement, dudley, is that not all of us consider ourselves included in that "We." How many of us exist outside of that "We," is certainly up to debate. Gore Vidal mentioned on "therealnews.org" the other day that everywhere he went, people were fed up.

So, we have a problem with even the very notion of actually "how many of us" there actually are. Until the misinformation is eliminated, where a president for example who is not elected by the people becomes the president, we will not be informed enough to make an accurate determination.

>>and with the tears of such women as John Q's wife Abigail, a budding feminist, who pleaded with JQ to "remember the ladies"<<

Cindy,

You've written such an inspiring article that I hate to be the standup professor of history. However there is an inaccuracy in your piece. Abigail Adams was John Quincy Adams mother. Abigail Adams was the wife of John Adams.

Oh, and not to compare John Quincy Adams to Bush but like Bush he became President of the United States like his father John Adams and presided over a troubled administration not unlike Bush's but for the right reasons. He instituted tariffs to fund things like infrastructure improvements to the vast system of canals that were the interstate highway systems of the day and to education. He also defended the rights of the Cherokees against the encroachment of "settlers" who wanted the Cherokees land. Given the view of many Americans towards indigenous peoples it is no surprise that John Quincy Adams lost to Andrew Jackson in 1828 setting the stage for the "Trail of Tears" that was to follow.

The only time, in my own estimation, when a person deserves to be told what to do, is when his/her actions impinge upon another's liberties.

I see that word "populist" snuck in there -- we like it!

America needs a new political territory staked out, which does not polarize ordinary Americans, has no use for left/right baggage and the programmed reactions they evoke, and takes an unequivocal stance in favor of the ENTIRE Bill of Rights. This is just the initial work -- where it all begins (not ends). We need genuine statesmen and women: no more hacks, millionaires and mobsters.

Such people do exist. But most aren't interested in running for office since they'd be eaten alive by the current culture in D.C. and the MSM, possibly may need to fear for their personal safety, etc. Centralizations of money and power, whether corporate or government, disenfranchise people -- they have no ability to effect real change, and so apathy reigns. We need a series of broad cultural changes.

It defnitely time to quit calling ourselves a great nation,because we aren't! Not morally,economically,or in any other discernable way are we great. Were becoming a third world country by all accounts. Were a nation of misinfomed, dumbed down TV watching, selfish disenfranchised consumers. More concerned with the Super Bowl then about where this country is going. If things don't change were headed for some really troubling times. As if things aren't bad already. Its becoming a choice for some of us whether to stay and fight like Cindy or to say the hell with it and leave this country behind. And I truly wish voting was the lever to change this country but I'm losing faith in that.

Everyone has the inalienable right to think for themselves. There are certain situations where being told what to do is acceptable. However, when being "told what to do" becomes acceptable and the norm, out of lassitude, or ambivalence, or greed, or any number of ill conceived attributes, that authority which encourages us not to think for ourselves, by numbing us down, by misinformation, by outright falsehoods, becomes faulty, unscrupulous and suspect.

"THERE'S ROOM AT THE TOP,THEY ARE TELLING YOU,STILL.BUT FIRST YOU MUST LEARN TO SMILE AS YOU KILL, IF YOU WANT TO LIVE LIKE,THE FOLKS ON THE HILL" quote john lennon,working class hero.

"delivering democracy" code word for " delivering death" the weapons of mass destruction have been found=they are in the white house,labled "george bush" and "dick cheney" (until recently the cheney weapon of mass destruction could be found in the white house.it has moved to a not-so-secret location in dubai) and has not and is never coming back,unless the cheney-weapon of mass destruction,decides it needs to 'deliver democracy to the united states.

It's time for "us" who are not the status-quo loving collective "we" to secede from America, following the example of the Lakota. All the promises of the Bill of Rights (which claim to be inalienable) have been broken.. when the contract is no longer valid then the entire thing is null and void.

I'd like to see/be a citizen of a nation of sovereign people with NO leaders.. that'd be the best of all. A clean slate/state with no bureaucracy.

Cindy: Such reforms are like painting a car that has a blown engine. Representative government can never be sufficiently democratic, only direct democracy will suffice.

It cost a lot to run a congressional campaign. Send Cindy a check. I did. You can do so here:

http://www.cindyforcongress.org/

Best way to make a statement would be if the woman who unabashedly sat in on torture discussions with BushCo and who has said impeachment is off the table, herself gets tabled in 2008. That just might wake up the Dems.

Right on Cindy! The people's referendum is the way. If you haven't yet, check out Senator Mike Gravel's National Initiative for Democracy at:
http://nationalinitiative.us/
It is the way to a people's referendum on elections and everything else!

Well, I can't camp out at Crawford, Texas or walk to DC with an "Impeach Bush/Cheney" sign, but I plan to be part of National Sick-Out Day, 24/7. If you agree with Cindy that the situation(s) make you sick, try one day of passive resistance.
Attention all students, retirees, workers and slackers. Mark this date on your calendar: July 24, 2008. Because it is 24/7, National Sick-Out Day. Sick of the news? Sick of the lack of real news? Sick of the politicians? Sick of the killers? Sick of the economy? You must be sick enough to stay home on one day: National Sick-Out Day, 24/7.
Take your sick day on Thursday 24/7. That is,Thursday, July 24th, 2008. Because 24/7 = July 24, 2008, National Sick-Out Day. Most of the primaries will have passed. Bush will still be an idiot, outsmarting all t2he brains in Congress, outraging all the blogs, and killing more Americans and more Muslims. Your phones will be monitored. Your protests will be unseen outside the ring of police. Local media will omit your message. National media will ignore your existence. There will be no hint of impeachment. Gas prices will be killing you. You will be losing your house. You will be sick of it all. Why not just call in sick, or if retired or unemployed, practice your moral sick-out. Don't drive on 24/7. Don't shop on 24/7. Unplug the TV. Meditate. Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper or an e-mail to your favorite blogs. Don't use your phone.
Have a quiet day. Screwed by health costs and insurance? Be sure not to make any medical appointments on 24/7. Make no appointments of any kind. Park the car. Don't fly planes, take trains or board boats or busses. Stay away from school. Don't go to the beach or the movies. No flags, banners, posters or demonstrations. Just stay the hell home and do your part. You are sick of it all and want the whole country to know. July 24, 2008. National Sick-Out. Pass it on. If you wait for the media to approve the story content, hell will be frozen over. Cabbage Head
January 3, 2008

IMPEACH and hang all in public as per Thomas Jefferson's words

this is the best option

especially Hilary Mena AK drug dealing bitch
Barry Seal, never forgotten, ask Dennis Hopper['grasshopper']

Viva El Frente/Verde-Rojo
coming soon, Movemiento La Raza
stupid 'sheeples' you better wake up,
no justice,.
lawyers,judges,politicians are all in bed w/ one another, Term Limits,

best to let Engineers run the world
problem solvers, not spin doctors

I agree with geoff, the whole soup living on the surface of the earth is an organism that survives off of the sun shining on it's surface.

The things that happen to us here; are the only window we have into who we are and what the universe is about.

I don't want to live on Mars!

fair enough , your friend saw what they saw, i do not disbelieve them ,but i am reminded that i once saw david copperfield make a jet airplane and the empire state building disappear , too. i believed , the central theme and goal , was impeachment , and had it happened at that auspicious and opportune time , the chances were good , the war would have come to an end. i felt that ms. sheehan did not remain focused , her eyes upon the 'prize' the one single reasonable thing(the one thing most people agreed on,bill clinton made it look easy.) the ultimate goal of the simple thing that might have succeeded in turning this war around or off..=impeachment.she made it all about her and her candidacy and her granduer illusion that she was going to save us,all=not without us she can't,she could not do it without the 'us' behind her. she took her eye off the ball , she allowed the bull, she'd once had by the horn - to go....she let the opportune moment , when she had a wave of peoplepower firmly intrenched behind her , fly by . it was not supposed to echo-only her name, back to all of us , it was supposed to proclaim , impeachment !"

Sorry Cindy but none of this will happen until America brings democracy to America but abolishing the Iowa caucus first.

"The telling what to do" should be examined in the anthropological differentiations of power, role, and authority. Power is authority backed up with threat of physical violence. So when pompous assholes get in charge there's always the risk that power reduces easily to being self-serving: telling others what to do with the full ability to imprison, evict, torture, conscript, etc. regardless of the merits of those orders. Befehl sind Befehl.

We may have the ability to tell them what to do with their power, and where they can stick it. But no power to back it up.

the world is actually a fairly simple place.

it's an organism, a kind of individual, that has to be treated respectfully and fairly in all of its particular parts. Just as any of us would prefer to be treated unless we prefer to be abused.

in the effort to deal justly with this organism, some will live and some will die, that's life.

OH, God, Cindy, please don't get shot!

NEWS ALERT!

I just opened an email from INDEPENDENPRIMARY.COM.

According to them, ABC News is "excluding" most of the Presidential candidates from the January 5th (Saturday) Democratic debate.

Also, FOX News is "excluding" Ron Paul from the January 6th (Sunday) Republican debate.

Both news stations have "changed" their criteria to eliminate whomever they wish! These stations are using "the people's" airwaves. It is NOT in the "public interest" to eliminate any candidates from these debates!

You can go to this website and let ABC and FOX that you upset about this decision and will file a complaint with the Federal Communications Commission and the Federal Elections Commission if they limit participation.

IndependentPrimary.Com

Cindy,
Best of luck in defeating Pelosi. Our Congress badly needs better leadership.

Cindy Sheehan has laid out a plan to make the election process more democratic and I admire and salute her.

But as long as you have hackable voting machines, the results will be questionable.

I don't see it as "being told what to do." Freedom is necessity.

Many thousands of workers in this country are going to have the choice, fight back or die. This is an objective fact brought about by the law of maximum profit, and the law of competition. Today, the electronic revolution is sweeping the world. Thousands of workers are being permanently replaced by robotics. This technological revolution can not be stopped, it can only be understood and used to benefit all of humankind, not just the few.

We need to be represented as a class, the working class. We are part of "the people" but we sell our labor so as to stay alive. This separates us from those that buy our labor and live as a result of others doing the work. We are not all in this together, and we need to be represented by our own media, our own constitution and our own political party.

We can't reform capitalism, or the democratic party because the economics and the political serves the ruling class.

skeezyks,john q. adams,was the founder of a third political and legitimate party,the 'anti-masonic party' because there was a famous murder,the murderer was a freemason and the judge was a freemason and refused to prosecute the murder(he went free)john q. adams,said the same thing john f. kennedy repeated 'secret oaths and secret societies have no place in an open and free society'.several months ago,a blogger here at cd reported having heard jimmy carter on the news and carter stated that he was the last truly elected president(the last time the voters votes were really counted)

the october surprise was orchestrated from dissenters within carter's own cabinet.electronically,it would not have been possible to master the fine art of election rigging until some time around the 1970's.it is often repeated,that a microchip the size of a pin point can turn the tide of an influx.american democracy will be hard to rescue,if criminals are not impeached,their lies will stand in the annals of our history.democracy cannot be rescued without the immediate re-installing of the separation of church and state and the guarantee of the continued enforcement of our ammendment rights.

I tried to edit the above, but it won't work for some reason. William Colby was C.I.A. Reagan's campaign manager and later C.I.A. guy's name was Bill Casey.

I saw investigative reporter Robert Perry on Democracy Now! yesterday. Despite Amy's labored and somewhat off target questions, Mr. Perry managed to make the point more than once that we will be unable to rescue an American democracy until we correct the historical record of what happened from about the Carter Administration until the present.

When President Carter says that he was the last honestly elected President, he is referring to the fact that William Casey, Reagan's 1980 campaign manager, and his associates, negotiated a deal with the Iranians, who were holding American diplomatic staff hostage, to not release the hostages until after Reagan was inaugurated. It's called the "October Surprise" and you can read about it in a book of the same name by Gary Sick, who served on the Carter National Security Council.

http://www.amazon.com/October-Surprise-Gary-Sick/dp/0812920872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=119...

So only two elections after Watergate the Republicans were up to their dirty tricks again.

We all know they stole the 2000 election, and those of us who paid attention know they stole the 2004 election.

I am not sure why Carter thinks that the 1992 and 1996 elections, won by Bill Clinton, were not fair.

Another example where a person must be "told what to do", is when they are engaged in an activity that seems to be minor and harmless, but whose contribution, along with many others excercising their right to do the same thing, results in serious damage to the society. And the damage is not evident to one individual, or even the group - it requires the trusted findings of a small group of specialists in a distant place studying the problem.

Another situaton may be the inverse, where a small group of people are going to be affected by an endeavor with demonstrated benefits to the society as a whole.

Of course, this primarily comes up in environmental issues, notably global warming, but I's sure ther are examples in the social and economic spheres.

So, the issue isn't being "told what to do" but to assure the whole telling-what-to-do process proceeds as fairly as possible. And, as far as the issue of "regulatory takings" compensation should only be provided to the affected person to the extent that their injury exceeds the sum injuries to the society as a whole if the affected person is allowed to continue to do what they are doing absent the regulation.

The world is a complicated place.

funny thing about cindy quoting john quincy adams,that is the third party ticket ms. cindy should be running on.john quincy adams,'anti-masonic party'i wish someone would assure me that cindy sheehan still exists and whether she ever existed.was she real and is now locked away in a closet and her double running around ?was she ever real,the grieving heartbroken mother or was she an actress ?if she is real and has always been for real,is she still alive because she serves the masters in their purpose ?am i doubtful,skeptical and questioning of authority ? yes.so many illusions,so little time.i really thought i witnessed planes flying into the twin towers,further investigation,done today,now leads me to believe it was smoke and mirrors.there are rumors that satillites will be employed,sometime in the not-distant future,to beam holographic images in the sky...may all eyes,beware !cindy,are you a holograph ?

This article is RIGHT ON. Thanks, Cindy Sheehan. You're wiser than most.

"But as long as you have hackable voting machines, the results will be questionable."

This the cop-out expression of the progressive side of American society that has lost the legacy of voting feet and results that were not questionable . Check out the voting feet of Elizabeth Eckford , The Little Rock Nine and of course Rosa Parks among hundreds of voting feet in Civil Rights Chronicle , The African-American Struggle for Freedom . You canèt hack feet unless you use a machete ( bad joke ).

As far as questionable results , I think Arkansas schools and Alabama buses are still integrated.

Historically , so far , the Civil Rights Movement will be remembered as progressive Americaès finest hour . The current progressive movement will be remembered as whining and whimpering with typing fingers instead of walking feet over rigged voting-machines