If impeachment is gaining support in Congress, then why isn't anything being done?!? They sure didn't dilly-dally this much when it came to impeaching Clinton for extra-marital sex.

Why is everyone in our government so lacking in reproductive organs?

If you impeached all those that deserve it, the country would be inundated with by elections.

" The White House, in a statement, said Democrats were shirking responsibilities on issues such as childrens' [sic] health insurance "and yet they find time to waste an afternoon on an impeachment vote against the vice president. … This is why Americans shake their head in wonder about the priorities of this Congress." "

I love how the executive branch has the absolute brass balls to even /think/ of blaming Congress for health insurance issues, even though President Bush was mashing his finger on the "veto" button the entire time.

How many of You have seen the movie 'The Secret'? The crucial concept of Karma as 'Law Of Attraction', influencing space much like or better more than Gravity or centrifugal forces. The core understanding is, that we need to focus and envision the world we would like to live in. Should it be one like the one the bushistas have controlled for more than the last seven years. So let's turn away from those political cockroaches and get started to come up with solutions to prevent the methane that is as of yet still contained by the frost in the arctic circle, to release into the atmosphere. Google or WIKI for the consequences in about five years from now. Rapidly.

Immediate withdrawal of all American military personal from all bases on this planet. Go home and take care of the mess that has been piled up in America like dirty laundry & dishes since 9/11. Most everything this rightwing assministration has inflicted, damaged, destroyed, killed or rendered useless and exploited needs to be reversed. We can do it. We can make this planet the Most Beautiful Blue Marble out there in the endlessness of the Universe. The Fema Camps will work well to contain the hard core right wing evangelical war mongers and their mercenary friends, whereas the complete assministration + 'right' wing media & justice needs to be incarcerated in Guantanamo. I do not approve of the death penalty under no circumstances, nor of torture or any form of humiliating, violent and hateful activities. Therefor it seems to be appropriate that those people are exposed to the world like 'Hannibal Lectors' behind thick glass windows for everybody to look at.
There are indeed only solutions, but as long as we are busy discussing the color of the paint of the building without even having a plan yet, our mess gets only bigger.
Time is of the essence and the only really powerful means we have left is consumer boycott. Watch how quick those people disappear from the screen, if their masters don't make the desired profit, or even loss. If You don't get that together You are truly f.d. Anybody that believes that there is another candidate as fit as Dennis Kucinich for the job, needs to join the ship of fools. Make them understand what it is that we want. We want more than justice. We want the reinstatement of humanity and good relations with a peaceful world. No more weapons, nowhere. Military personal will be 'brain-cleansed' to put the value of life back where it belongs. The Police force will be disarmed. No more guns and weapons, no more clubs or tasers. All this might be a blessing after all, if people wake up widespread and follow the consumer boycott. Before the 'right wing' media cross ownership machine finishes even the last remaining droplets of information about the catastrophic state of the union Your own country sails in 'right' now.
I for my part start with a vision of a global forum that deals with global issues, whereas the focus is put on the grass roots movement. Free the people from the federal constraint, that strangulates the whole Nation.
If You need somebody to volunteer for president, pick me. I can do a way better job than anybody else through the application of common sense and loving kindness. We can have the ride of Humanity's Lifetime in a positive or in a negative sense.

Have A Great One

Hello Siouxrose ! Yes Singapore is a microcosm of what China will look like sometime in the future. We prefer our own Chinese brand of democracy & socialism. I am glad that you have seen Singapore. It is a wonderful city isn't it.

Wish you good luck and good health !

COMarc stated "To understand the 2006 election and its aftermath, you have to understand that Reid and Pelosi firmly stated months before the 2006 election that the Democrats would not impeach Bush\Cheney."

Hmmm... well, I'm certainly not as sharp as I used to be, but my recollection was that impeachment was taken off the table after the election. Do I recall incorrectly?

In either case it makes no difference. Regardless of whether Pelosi et al made their positions clear before or after the election, it remains the case that there was then and still is no avenue by which the will of the people will be carried out by government. We are now essentially a feudal system, where the vast majority of commo... err... American citizens will toil for the nobili... err.. their mas... err... employers for essentially their entire adult lives, and they will submit to rule... err... a government over which they have no control.

That's where we are. I laud those who fight against such injustice. And warn those who fight best to avoid getting on an airplane.

Of course the impeachment of Bill Clinton was not about a sex act, it was a conspiracy to bring the three branches of government together under a right ring/corporate agenda. Changing the heads of state in 2008 is not enough. We need to undo the crippling of our democracy at multiple levels. This is going to be a big and difficult job and take very courageous leaders. This includes reversing the direction of the courts, eliminating the extensive spy networks in place and growing (including cameras on every corner), reversing the trend of media corruption and propaganda, campaign finance reform, returning to a two or more political party system with different agendas, prioritizing our money toward peace and healthcare and education, redirecting our energy policy, getting religion out of government, and so forth. This means people need to become politically active, run for and be elected to offices and positions in order to effect changes. It is hard and dangerous work and we are going against powerful rich forces that control just about everything, and lately seem less benevolent.
I used to think everything would be all right because we still had an uncorrupt free press,
then I thought everything would be all right because we still had open honest democratic elections,
then I thought everything would be all right because we could still have our day in court,
now I am having nightmares.
My family are German Jews that escaped Nazi Germany in 1939 at the last minute. My grandfather used to say to me that never in a million years did he think what happened in Germany would happen, that he and his ancestors had been good hard working loyal German people for generations. It is frightening to think that our government is getting away with crimes equivalent to or worse than the Nazi party committed. Germany's takeover of adjoining territories pales next to our preemptive invasion of a nonthreatening country and the murder of 100,000's of Iraqi citizens. Yes, our present government and abettors need to be indicted and brought to justice for war crimes against humanity. We need to support impeachment at all costs.

dreamertoo: "Former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio refused to give President Bush access to our communications; he is facing eight years in prison."

I hope you are not holding Joe Nacchio up as an example of corporate goodwill and a protector of civil liberties. What he is facing prison for is exactly the type of behavior readers of this forum despise. He lied about company earnings to inflate the price of the company's stock meanwhile plundering the stock-based pensions of thousand of employees. Nacchio is an evil man who hurt thousands of people here in my home state. Impeach Nacchio!

Better late than never--Impeach them all NOW!

"The White House, in a statement, said Democrats were shirking responsibilities on issues such as childrens' [sic] health insurance "..."

I wonder what they're paying proofreaders at the White House these days. Anyone know?

"...and yet they find time to waste an afternoon on an impeachment vote against the vice president. … This is why Americans shake their head in wonder about the priorities of this Congress."

(There should have been another [sic] in there. Unless there is only one really big head in America. But I left grammar school in the mid-Sixties. Maybe this is an example of New Grammar.)

Indeed, many Americans are shaking their heads in wonder. They're wondering why it's taken Congress so long to do what should have been done.

And who knows more about wasting time than the White House?

You can tell a lot about a President, and how he did, by examining his post-presidency. I can't imagine what this group of crooks is going to do, but it will probably be low key, fade out of public life - they're failures, and they know they've committed crimes.

Isn't that why they're building that huge estate in Paraguay? Does anyone have any information on this? They're looking to hide away from not just American law, but international law as well.

AUSPICIOUS BUNNY: I, too, imagine "A Christmas Carol" scenario visiting those in high office.

MO 42: The law of karma is inviolate. As such, the development of a conscience is a long-term given. The stain of acts taken against others is not erased, rather, it remains with the soul as it evolves. If given the opportunity to incarnate, the likes of Bush and Cheney will be tomorrow's Sister Theresa's and 3rd world workers. It will take probable LIFETIMES to work off the carnage they committed against others.

YAP: I lived in Singapore for 4 months and found it an amazingly enlightened society. I bonded so easily with Chinese friends, and participated in meditation groups that invited persons of all backgrounds and religions to come together in the interest of building "webs" of higher peace. I stood in awe at the technological development seen in Singapore, a prosperous place where those I met were equally interested in their spiritual development. If Americans were less religious and stuck in past paradigms of alleged privilege, and instead stepped out into the outer reaches of consciousness to ACTUALLY develop, we'd see a different world. The gross materialism of my nation is nowhere seen more for what it is than in the obesity epidemic (with Diabetes its cousin), and in the diabolical trafficking in arms that makes the U.S. "# 1." When number one means your the world's most efficient KILLER, you know karma--in the form of cosmic blowback--can't be far off. Best wishes for a productive New Year for you, too.

When I think of it, there are only two logical conclusions I can come to as to why impeachment is "off the table." The first reason I have is that those in a position to begin the impeachment process are also the same politicians who want to remain in Iraq; meaning, they are just as complicit in these crimes against humanity because they too want to control the world's last great reserves of oil and wanted to invade Iraq as much as George and Cheney. They are all beholden to the same corporate masters. So if impeachment were to go forward, the truth would surface as to them being just as guilty as the Bush crowd as regards crimes against humanity.

The second and more plausible explanation that I can come up with is that Bush and Cheney, with all their intelligence gathering, have some dirt on just about everyone in the Congress and Supreme Court, so our "representatives" are afraid to let their dirty laundry be hung out for the public to see. So they will avoid that happening at all costs.

Otherwise, it just doesn't make any sense. They all know very well that the have sworn to protect the Constitution from enemies, both foreign and domestic. So they are either just as guilty of crimes as Bush and Cheney or they have something to hide, which will come out if they begin impeachment.

Just about every member of our government needs to be tossed out on the street and we need to begin with as clean a slate as possible and it seems to me that it's going to have to be a bottom to the top process with we the people who care doing the hard work of holding those we elect accountable. We the people are going to have to be the watchers of the watchmen. They are to serve our interests – not the other way around.

As I've read several times recently, the government of France is afraid of its people. Here in the USA we are afraid of our government. Its time to change that.

I think there should be another, more extensive investigation into Wellstone's death...considering Cheney apparently threatened Wellstone and alleged reports that "FBI" officials arrived in Minnesota BEFORE the plane "crashed". Not sure on the accuracy of this info but now that we know Cheney much better, it would not be so shocking if it was determined that Cheney was behind an assasination of Wellstone though proving his involvement might be near impossible.

http://www.assassinationscience.com/American_Assassination.html

CHENEY'S situation goes further than just a "blow job" in the Oval Office.

UNFORTUNATELY, you probably can't touch the bastard, and exposing him for what he is/was/will be won't hurt him. He'll have to maybe be reminded that "WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND". Just one look at that smug face should tell you all you need to know.

So what's being done with which you agree that would make our lives different by slowing down? Besides, should a wrong be ignored because of shortage of time? Procrastination may be the answer?

Rumor has it Cheney has grown a beard and joined the Taliban. :(

Considering my Representative in Congress is one of Bush's favorite lap dogs. I won't bother with an E Mail to him. Here at home he seemed like a decent Republican floating in a sea of corrupt politics as Attorney General. But, once he got to Washington he became a whole different animal. He backs Bush to the hilt! He has become the epitome of a true Republican hack! Which only serves to prove the whole party is rotten from the core out! If a Republican is to survive in the GOP world they loose their principles and become tainted by the system!

Hopefully this is just the beginning and the process will pull down this entire administration before long. If the Dims had any political savvy they would realize the realize the potential to put the entire right on the spot for complicity in the crimes exposed keeping them on the defensive. The opportunity to alter the official conversation and move the country in a progressive direction is great. Unfortunately as most of us are aware, Dems are complicit as well as spineless and politically crippled by opportunism and corporate ownership.

WHERE AND WHAT IS THAT SOB UP TO? I HAVE NOT HEAR WHAT HE IS SCREWING UP LATELY. IS HE LAYING LOW?

"Accountability" is a word the that does not apply to Chaney or Bush.
Why are the people of this country so demanding of "Accountability" when it comes to the athlete,doctors,children,pastors,bus drivers,Soldiers,moms. dads. school teachers,the elderly,manufacturers,taxpayers, and everyone accept Dick Chaney, and George Bush?????????????

Millions have died "on account" of Chaney and Bush. We are in Iraq "on account" of Chaney and Bush. Liberties are being denied "on account" of Bush/Chaney. Torture of innocent people is "on account" of Bush/Chaney.

The "Accountability" of these boys is accoutable as evidence in all of the media, yet they, Bush/Chaney are not held "Accountable and punished as an example of the "Accountability" demanded by a "Hypocritical Nation"

IMPEACH AND PUNISH is the ACCOUNTABILITY that the majority of the citizens of the USA require.

I second the firing sqad recommendation.
Now,,,howzaboot Rummy,Lower Intestine and that idiot Asskroft ?
Amerikka is finished since 50 % of you dips voted for BooB just cuz he,s a republican and a "man og God"
Brainwashed Losers.

So what exactly are the consequences of taking this action of impeachment, 'citing how the business of politics in the U.S. ground to a near standstill as the nation's attention was diverted by the effort to expose the President over a sex act with a White House intern'. In other words, no consequences, seeing as how this is the most inept, do nothing group, ever! What the hell, do the country a big favor and impeach them all. Some for crimes and some for impersonating elected representatives!!!

re: impeachment, the US media, and the police:

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/?q=node/89

Shameful.

While you're there, please take a look at "I Quit This Party." You'll find it listed on the left, under "Navigation."

If Jose Rodriguez, tells the truth when he testifies before the Congressional Judiciary Committee this month, and he says he will tell the truth, then Cheney and Bush will both be impeached.

The only reason Pelosi and Reid won't go along with impeachment is because they are part of the conspiracy! It's no wonder that the Judical Watch included those two as #9 & #10 respectively on their "10 most corrupt politicans of 2007."

Hello Siouxrose Greetings for a very happy new year. Are you a REDINDIAN of the Sioux tribe ? I live in Australia, but my friends from Malaysia told me that some REDINDIANS came to KL to attend the funeral of our great philantropist Mr Lim GOH Tong who dies just recently. These Redindians came to show their respect to Mr Lim in appreciation for the help that he gave to the Redindians in setting their Redindian Gambling Casinoe. Anyway your name sounds like you are Redindian.

Mr Lim was one of the richest men in the world, not as rich as Bill Gates but one of the Multi- billionairs in the world. He started as a rag & bone man with practically no education and just dirt poor, he rose to be the undisputed richest man in Malaysia. Well that is what the USA will have to face in the years ahead. The USA got rich from trading in the lives of the third world. You Americans prosper from the arms trade and the USA just cannot survive "sans" the arms trade therefore we fully understand that the USA stands for PERPETUAL WARS a la NEVER ENDING WARS.

Yes ! you are right the Malays are a very hospitable people, but unfortunately they are also a people who are prone to jealous rage and we Chinese have for years been the subject to their endemic and outrageous racial discrimination. Progroms are often; and above all the Chinese are never given FAIR AND TRANSPARENT TREATMENT IN MALAYSIA.

TO READ MORE ON THIS RACIAL DISCRIMINATION GO TO MY BLOG AT http://yapchongyee.blogspot.com. The Chinese population of Malaysia at INDEPENDANCE was 5.5 million and today the Chinese population after 50 years of self rule & Independance, the Chinese population is still at 6 million. Imagine the rate of migration away from the shores of Malaysia to Singapore, Australia, the USA & Britain. Read the extent of my frustration.

I wish all our friends on this website COMMONDREAMS a very happy and healthy new year.

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tja1952 January 2nd, 2008 12:27 pm

Blah, blah, blah….NOTHING WILL BE DONE ABOUT IT….

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Not with that attitude it won't. You want to sit around and wait for it to magically happen?
Lead, follow or get out of the way, we have work to do!

The media cites every poll question... except for the ones that don't agree with the oligarchal power structure...Such as the 50-60% that want impeachment proceedings to begin.

And when they begin (i know they actually won't), the fabric will unravel, and that number will swell to 80%.

Kucinich won't give up. I think there are a few more things he can use to get this moving forward. I am afraid the reluctance has a lot to do with the Bush administratino spying on everyone. They must have something on absolutely all the whores in Congress by now.

(friend reaction) LOL

AN impeachment isn't going to happen, What i KEEP LOOKING FOR IS AN ELECTRO MAGNETIC FIELD TO BE RELEASED SOMEWHERE NEAR CHENNEYS OFFICE.

"Hi" to your friend, nayoibi. :)

i have voted in every election for over 4 decades.a political science major in college and an activist,several times over.my friend is sitting reading over my shoulder and she wants me to write, weapon of mass destruction=george bush

Impeachment, no. Firing squad, YES!

Stop imagining what other people are thinking, nayoibi, and imagine what you are thinking. Imagine you are thinking, "I need to frickin' vote".

C'mon, are you serious? Trust me, I would love to see these impeachment proceedings come to fruition, however, the sad reality remains: everyone is in collusion with the other, Democrats with Republicans--it doesn't matter who is who or which "party" you side with: it's all the same garbage shuffled in to make sure the system favors the elite and powerful at the expense of the hardworking, honest-toiling people who continue to elect them out of willful ignorance. Once you challenge how this system works, both sides of the aisle lock arms to defend it at all costs. It's amazing to see the relevance of Jack London's "Iron Heel."

Does Tiny Tim become President, auspiciousbunny?

mo42

I agree. Give em a conscience. That will take care of it.

Or I always imagine a version of A Christmas Carol where one day Bush gets mysteriously transformed into a refugee immigrant who has to start from scratch trying to make a living in New Jersey with no car, no place to live and no money.

jamadison,proves the point,if the people had any power at all,bush/cheney would already have been impeached.i think dreamertoo,is referring to a democratic congress being elected in 2006,and all the high hopes we had for nancy pelosi,who promised to do the will of the people.my god,she didn't even investigate.i have been astounded by all the posters here who think that they have more of a right to post than others.they say things like "you should be censored"or "you should be sued for libel"or y"you shouldn't be allowed to post,here"when in reality,i am on the same side and have not said anything that even compares to some of the violent and useless crap,that is sometimes posted here.jamadison ,just told you guys,that according to our constitution,we the people should have been able to impeach them,a long-long time ago.now all you fine and compassionate(saila)people think you got some real power in your vote and you are going to 'elect' the next president.you will,only if they decide that is the way they want it.you get the government you deserve and judging by how many people here want to censure me,kick me out,sue me,you people here,have the government you deserve.

All talk and no action. I'll believe it when I see it. Democrats fuss a bit verbally but go along with the Rethuglicans in the end.

The Constitution not only permits Impeachment of the President, and,or the Vice President; but charges the House of Representatives with the Official Obligation of acting as a Grand Jury. They are charged with reviewing any allegations of illegal actions by our highest elected Officials. These checks and balances are our protections, as a free people.

After posting one's opinion here; and that opinion agrees with impeaching Cheney, then the next step is to contact your district's representative (mine is Henry Waxman). I will let Waxman know that "Shooter" needs to be impeached.

Trust me, nayoibi, if our votes hadn't counted in 2006, you'd be locked away, not posting here.

i was and am horrified,appalled,and the epitome of shocked,by what they did to the civilians and families of iraq.they betrayed them,played one side against the other .destroyed their lives,livelyhoods,poisoned their ground and air.stole their resources,imprisoned and humiliated them,destroyed their infrastructure of education and all landmarks of civilization.robbed their museums and their gold,humiliated and killed the women terrorized every man,woman and child.plotted to kill the cream of their society,teachers,doctors,social workers.they invaded with shock and awe and the people of iraq were truly shocked.they split the divide of religions,shiite and sunni had been co-existing peacefully.they brought an ancient civilization and a cultural mecca to its knees.just like america..we are not george bush and george bush is not us....saddam was not the people of iraq and the people of iraq were not saddam.they said they were liberators they were really executioners,thieves and barbarians.never forget iraq.i am way more pissed off by the monsters doing the unforgivable genocide in the name of all america.WE THE PEOPLE DONT EVEN HAVE THE POWER IMPEACH OR STOP ONE BUSH- MONSTER AND YOU IDIOTS BELIEVE YOU STILL HAVE SOME POWER OVER THE PRESIDENCY,THAT YOUR PATHETIC VOTES 'COUNT'.

"The White House, in a statement, said Democrats were shirking responsibilities on issues such as childrens' [sic] health insurance "and yet they find time to waste an afternoon on an impeachment vote against the vice president. … This is why Americans shake their head in wonder about the priorities of this Congress.""

When the ultimate estate issues such desperately twisted and strained rhetoric you know something's about to give. But what befuddles me is why "leading Democrats" continue to lend "credibility" to this transparent bullshit. Maybe they're living with death threats. Thankfully, only a few pundits could give a good goddamn about what they think or say on the topic anyway. Look at the polls for impeachment. Does anyone really think the public can't tell the difference between treason and a circus about sex?

What the public shakes their head in wonder about is that congress lets the White House get away with taunts like this instead tearing their bloody scalps off.

This is a good start, and it's certain that the hearings would also lead to the impeachment of Bush and Rice as well.

This issue is probably NOT being discussed on MSNBC .. is it? I Don't have MSNBC but I have a feeling this is proabably THE ONLY place it is being discussed... Common Dreams is the only avenue that finds these important issues and places them here..

Right? Sigh.

Impeach? I'm sure Darth Cheney has a signed presidential pardon in his pocket at all times just the same as Toxic George.

I don't care about time frames and that the other business wont get done.If we have no Constitution left what is the point of any of the rest of it?The Constitution is the only thing that stands between us and fascism!For what the bush and cheney cabal have done the Constitution demands impeachment. Tony

War should not be the natural state of existence the natural state should be one of peace. I don't know exactly how or why a group of people where able to just take over like this other than the obvious ongoing documented crimes committed. Nobody can even say who is guilty at this point. There are still so many people that refuse to even look they seem to plug their ears and drowned any debate to the bush administration Ideology out anyway they can. A guy at work said to me you need to stop questioning the administrations direction and just have faith in Bush like you should have in Jesus Christ, and in the same room another guy gave him a big round of applause. Then their are those that don't want to talk about it but don't have a problem discussing the stock portfolios and how good war is for our economy. House resolutions 1955 and 1959 has given this administration just about everything they need to complete their new world order agenda in America, it will take our freedom of speech and right to assemble peacefully in protest away. Bush has the ability to declare Martial Law and suspend all of our Civil Rights, for what ever reason they decide to use or even create and then use, the media most likely has been briefed and has a written plan ready to go. This group of people that have unlawfully taken control of the White house will not have a problem doing anything up to and including Torturing you to death. They have easily selected and appointed who they want to top level positions in their administration and the supreme court, and now they are with ease taking over all of the media by monopolizing the sources of information we have and completely stomping out any fair and accurate reporting that might be left in the main stream. To all of the Obedient workers out there that still believe these criminals have your best interests at heart, they don't! and your loyalty dose not matter to them, so just wrap your selves up in your flag because it could be very cold when they drive you and your families out into the streets and then when somebody, anybody decides for some reason they don't care for the way you look, run and tell the thought Police of their suspicions, well, its time to board the terror train, destination FEMA concentration camps through out America fully manned and operational just waiting for your occupancy. The brain washing of the people seems to be paying off for these guys to this point. The programing started as soon as we took our first breath, all through our schooling and at the work place there have always been those who are caring, have compassion, want to do what's best, take care of the planet, who want to stop war and suffering in the world where ever it is and pass this message on to their children. Then there are those who would drop you where you stand for the thrill of it, rob you of your shoes and leave you penniless, who would degrade and humiliate anyone that would let them get away with it and walk away slapping hands with each other, who would punish their kids for striking out when they were up to bat at a dam Baseball game!. For the most part, the latter of these two examples seemed to have always been encouraged and supported by the establishment. Well these people have managed to live long enough to lie and cheat their way into the White House and with hardly any effort, and since then everything they want thanks to the GOP and a few TURN COAT Democrats that are having a Love-in with the Bush and Cheney gang like; Pelosi, Reid and Leiberman they get. This New World Order, Nazi agenda is succeeding, People get your nose's out of your stock portfolio's and your heads out of your #####, WAKE THE UP!!! What do you have to lose? Everything if you don't! If nothing else, it wont hurt as bad when you realize the money isn't really yours.

Impeaching VP Cheney and President Bush are the most important tasks facing Congress at this time. No other business even comes close. The precedent must be set that the executive is not above the law. If Congress fails to act, the opposite precedent will be set, and we will have let down the drafters of the constitution and every person who has ever died defending it, and future generations. If, as I suspect, evidence of criminal activity surfaces, then criminal prosecutions should follow..if warranted, at the International Court of Justice at the Hague…or the International Criminal Court.

Amen!

I always thought the most fitting punishment for the nazis and others of their ilk would be to somehow give them a conscience and let them live out their lives in prison with the full realization of the horrors of what they had done. I wish the same for bush/cheney - after impeachment, of course.

WE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT ENOUGH AMERICANS WILL WAKE UP IN TIME TO PREVENT THE WORLD FROM ENTERING INTO ANOTHER DARK AGE THAT COULD LAST FOR CENTURIES, DUE TO THEIR ALLOWING THE CRIMINAL GANG OF BUSH CHENEY TO GET AWAY WITH THE EXTINGUISHING OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS. ALL WARS FOUGHT TO BRING LIBERTY AND FREEDOM TO THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF THE WORLD WILL THEN HAVE BEEN IN VAIN. THE INDUSTRIAL MILITARY COMPLEX AND THE PRIVITAZATION OF PUBLIC COMMONS WILL THEN MAKE DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM A GRIM JOKE! ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT BY IGNORING THE BUSH ADMINSTRATION AND THEIR VAST CRIMES,THAT THEY WILL THEN BE ALLOWED TO WIELD FUTURE POWER IN THE "RIGHT WAY" IS EITHER DELUSIONAL OR BLIND. IT IS A COWARDLY CAPITULATION OF THE PRINCIPLE THAT "THE GOOD IS SOMETIMES THE ENEMY OF THE BEST!" ANYONE IN THIS FIGHT WHO GIVES UP ON IMPEACHMENT IS A COWARD, A TRAITOR, AND AN APPEASER TO THE DICTATORS OF THIS COUNTRY AND OF THIS WORLD! THEY WILL HAVE THE BLOOD OF GENERATIONS ON THEIR HANDS!! IMPEACH OR STAND ASIDE YELLOWBELLYS!STAND ASIDE TRAITOROUS SWINE BEFORE SOMEONE PUTS A SWORD THROUGH YOUR TRAITOROUS GOOD FOR NOTHING HIDES!!SUPPORTERS OF BUSH CHENEY DIE!! ENABLERS AND SYNCOPHANTS DIE! HISTORY WILL REMEMBER YOU ALONG WITH THE "GOOD GERMANS" WHO ALLOWED THE TAKEOVER OF THEIR NATION BY ONE ADOLPH HITLER! A NEAR- DO- WELL PAPER HANGER WHO FEAR MONGERED HIS WAY INTO A BID TO ENSLAVE THE WORLD. JUST LIKE BUSH CHENEY!!

WHERE IS THAT SO CALLED HUMAN? WHAT IS HE UP TO? ANYBODY KNOW?

The impeachment process, when initiated by the House and tried by the Senate, will bring out the facts in a cohesive fashion that the MSM cannot ignore or spin about. Will it be enough to succeed in a Senate that is so heavily influenced by corporate masters? Hard to say. But it is essential that it be done. My bet is that Cheney would resign rather than face a Senate trial. What about Bush? Harder to tell. I like to think that the domino effect might result. As to the terrible crimes that Bush, Cheney and others have committed against humanity, we can only hope for justice. Right now, impeachment is the only way to begin the tremendously convoluted path to justice.

The only concern I have about impeachment is if it fails. Bush might think God had saved him for one last mission....

Life imprisonment without parole would be the right sentence for that crowd, but Tony Blair deserves to go there too.

"They consider the time frame and expense of impeachment..."

Do they? Know what I'd like them to consider? Justice, honor, duty, and the law. I look for that in lawmakers. Go figure.

yap:

You already got your comeuppance. Bush/Cheney gave you our country.

To understand the 2006 election and its aftermath, you have to understand that Reid and Pelosi firmly stated months before the 2006 election that the Democrats would not impeach Bush\Cheney.

What's truly bizarre is that apparently many people who wanted desperately to see this impeachment occur then turned around and voted Democrat anyways. Since then, they've called it a betrayal of the political process in that the people they voted into office have done exactly what they said they were going to do.

So now, we are supposed to give up on 'the government sphere' because people voted for Democrats with some serious delusions about what they Dems would do when elected? Even when the Dems were telling everyone plainly what they would do, or in this case what they would not do?

The government is the way the people come together to act. If you give up on that, what else do you suggest? The only alternatives I see would be passive acceptance that nothing can change or violent revolution. And anyone wanting the latter should really go study past revolutions, the chaos they unleash, the hell they create for people ... to the point where often the people later put a right-wing reactionary into power to end the hell and the chaos. (see Napoleon and the French Revolution as one example).

The point is, it won't be easy to act 'in the government sphere'. You certainly can't just sit back and watch TV and expect the Dems to offer you a magic pill to change the world. Its going to take real work getting out and building and organizing. Its going to take creating a political movement not build around money. And the only real alternative is people-power. And people-power means getting out and working to make change. But that change can occur.

Besides, if you want to do it another way, then you still need to get out and do the same building and organizing. Somehow, some place, you have to build a mass movement for change.

Start by going out and talking to your neighbors. Or go to the local coffee shop and start talking. It ain't hard to get started.

Do not losse your heads with lust for vengeance. These men who have betrayed the country (bu$h cheney rice rumsfeld gonzales wolfie, perle, libby, et al and all their cheerleaders in the media... the whole pathetic cast of clowns) should be prosecuted in a world court under the Nuremberg standards. Media figures who colluded with the government to commit war crimes should be prosecuted side by side. Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Savage, etc. All of them in the dock with bu$h and cheney and their minions.

One important thing should be different, however. Let us abolish the death penalty and let us reform our prisons so they are no longer dehumanizing places. Some people (such as bu$h and cheney and rumsfeld and many of their co-conspirators) must be isolated from society, warehoused, because of their sociopathic tendencies. The solution, my friends, is to incarcerate them in benign conditions for the remainder of their lives. Let them watch television in their cells.

I used to have mixed feelings about impeaching both Bush and Cheney, not because I didn't think they deserved it (they do), but because I had serious doubts that it could be done and also because I thought that it was too late and might slow down the process of getting out of Iraq, but now I think they should both be impeached, even it it's late in the game and MIGHT slow down the whole getting-out-of-Iraq process.

Impeachment should proceed, whether or not it's late in the game and whether or not it's going to be difficult, because we definitely need to set a precedent for future Presidents. We need impeachment in order to save our Constitution. It's that simple.

And there's no real reason why our elected officials can't do more than one thing at a time.

Good for Kucinich, Wexler, Gutierrez and Baldwin for doing what they can to put impeachment on the table!

IN2000 A.D.i thought there should have been not just a recount,but a re-election.IN 2001,i thought we should have gone after the real enemy and finished the work in afganistan and set up a model democracy,there.DURING SHOCK AND AWE/i couldnt believe what i was seeing and that they weren't protecting civilians,they were dropping bombs on them..i thought it couln't get any worse than ABU GARIB,but it did ! i never thought that GEORGE BUSH,would be re-elected,but he was.in 2006,i thought nancy pelosi,would rake them over the coals,she took impeachment off the table.IN 2008,we failed to make our voices heard,our leaders ignored our wishes.the poor are being persecuted,the leaders tell blatant lies.IN 2008,we the people are gonna be the 'deciders' and elect a president,if they let us.

Should have happened years ago - both Cheney & Bush!

Doug Lago lamented "In a world where the media wasn't corporate controlled and the Congress wasn't half-owned by these same corporations Messers Bush and Cheney would already be in jail... but, really, chances for impeachment in any real and meaningful sense is just a pipedream.

Agreed. Somehow, this country thinks that it can escape the same fate as the Roman Empire without effort or personal sacrifice. It won't, and we will fall for the same reason that Rome fell -- entrenched privilege that is too self-centered and uncaring to temper its own interests for the common good, an a populace either too impotent, too indloent, or too complicit to force the needed changes.

hamiltonjimt railed "...And I also have to wonder about other posters here who continually whine "nothing will become of it, blah blah blab…" Last I checked this was a Progressives community. Some may need to look up that definition."

Actually, it's a reflection of our experience after the '06 election, where we threw the bums out of office, only to learn that the people we voted in were bums as well. Some of us have concluded that there's really nowhere elest to turn to -- that the Dems we elected are really on the same team -- the money team -- as the Reps they replaced, only they think it's politically expedient to hide that little fact.

With no real alternatives within the government sphere, we've concluded that government is simply not the answer. It is and will continue to be run by monied interests for their own ends. In the old days, any serious challenge to their rule was meth with a barrage of slime, if that proved ineffective, in a tragic plane crash. Nowadays, of course, with the elections under corporate control, there is little need to resort to such primitive measures.

vangelaras stated "Impeach Bush and Cheney and then proceed with the International Criminal Court against the two of them and others in the administration for having committed crimes against humanity, war crimes and crimes of genocide... Things have gone too far and too deep towards the abyss and it is the time of "we the people" to act."

I agree about, but what, exactly, do you propose that we do?

Impeachment momentum will build quickly in the new year. The American people realize now that the future is grim without a change of direction, and the only way to change direction is a visible breakup of the established order through impeachment of the criminals. The president will follow the vice-president down off the pedestal and then the Congress will be purged. The Demoks know they have to carry out the impeachment or they will lose the White House in the election.

Cheney won't go down simply because he could drag half of 'K Street' down with him. Kucinich represents a minority of Congressmen; those who are not corporate sychophants. The rest of Congress has to worry about their corporate sponsorship to remain in office.

Impeach Bush and Cheney and then proceed with the International Criminal Court against the two of them and others in the administration for having committed crimes against humanity, war crimes and crimes of genocide. This is the only course, if the American people want to prevent irreparable damage to our Constitution and restore international respect to our country. Things have gone too far and too deep towards the abyss and it is the time of "we the people" to act.

YAP. CHONGYEE: Thank you for your post. It's always interesting to hear the TRUTH of how our nation is elsewhere perceived. By the way I had the opportunity to spend a week in Malaysia in 2004, and was hosted by wonderful people in Kuala Lumpar, quite a cool city. I was very pleased to visit the large Buddhist monastery there, and meet its highest monk. The hospitality of Malay people was amazing; I feel I made lifelong friends there, and hope to visit again. News is that our wonderful "security state" has to OK our travel plans. So much for individual rights!

The Repugnats only worry about sexual matters, so until Cheney has an illicit affair of some kind none of them will think he is anything but a great VP. Don`t hold your breath for action on this deal.

It doens't matter if the impeachment of Cheney doesn't succeed for a lack of votes. What matters is that responsible people in Congress, at least a handful, are TRYING to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States. No business is more important!

So let those who don't do their most fundamental duty take the consequences at the polls!
They shouldn't be allowed their shallow "victory" without even fighting for it!

If and that's a big if….
Impeachment is just a foot in the door, leading to…
Criminal charges…

Then (Ideally) the establishment of a retro-active judiciary committee, that goes over all historical crimes and makes rulings as to the legality of the U.S.'s actions. Even symbolic convictions of crimes against humanity is some where to start from.

Putting our criminal history in a context of current events would help erode the illusion of grandeur that mystifies the public in regards to the presidents.

And once the façade is cracked…..

This is really a pretty weak article. I'd like to hear something specific that has happened, rather than just --

"The national impeachment continues to grow and generate increasing interest since being referred to the House Judiciary Committee last month, a Kucinich spokesperson said."

Impeach the Bums, get them out of office, then try them for war crimes.

After they are found guilty, which everyone knows that they are, jettison them to Gitmo and give them a taste their own medicine: Water Boarding! (It'd be cool if it were televised).

It is not going to happen. Any resolution will be voted down by every Republican, and invertebrate Democrats will follow suit. Republican presidential nominees will then use this failed effort to highlight the inadequacies of the Democrats (which are all true).

This is a distraction. As noted above, it is several years too late and in the final 11 months of a lame duck presidency, irrelevant.

But FWIW, I have signed on to Robert Wexler's petition:

http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com

Impeach.

If you live anywhere near route 1 between Philadelphia and Washington, go meet John Nirenberg walking 500 miles for impeachment. He'll march in your name.

See where he leaves from at marchinmyname.org, add 3 miles down route 1 per hour after the start, look for a yellow impeachment sign without a handle on it that he carries.

John can use a hot beverage!

The Democrats' insistence that they have more important things to attend to than impeachment is an obvious ruse, for it is clear to them as it is clear to us that none of the programs which they claim to be working for, none of them can be realized unless they get rid of the current executive.

I think it will be best if V-P Cheny were not impeached. I will be very sad if he is impeached because the 3rd world and especially among us in the Chinese diaspora are gloating over the continous need for the USA to spin and lie to cover up the war crimes of your President & Vice President. The USA owes the 3rd world a debt to continue to allow us to laugh at your double standard and double talk; if you go on and show that we still respect your own laws & your constitution then how will we continue to find our come uppence ? Where will we be able to find our ray of happiness to see the USA crawl and for all the 3rd world to find common cause to spit at the USA as another corrupt & dysfunctional banana Republic ?

Right now we see the USA as comparable to Malaysia where the government is consistently corrupt and where the institutions of the JUDICIARY, of Parliament and the Attorney General's Department and the police are all similarly corrupt and law enforcement is nothing but a joke. Malaysia is like the USA, but if you go on and impeach VP Cheny & Bush then you will take away that one spark for gloating that at least makes us say, what the hell the USA too is like Malaysia; a nation that is lawless. IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS TO LIVE IN A NATION THAT IS LAWLESS then go to my blog at http://yapchongyee.blogspot.com where I cited my own experience in an example of a living & breathing JUDGE of the Federal Court of Malaysia by the name of Judge Zainon binti Mohd. Ali awarded two INTERLOCUTORY ORDERS (1)ORDER FOR SECURITY FOR COSTS (2)THEN WHEN MONEY $60,000 IS PAID PURSUANT TO THE ORDER FOR SECURITY FOR COSTS GOES ON TO AWARD TO APPLICANTS AN ORDER TO STRIKE OUT SAID PETITION. Her action to award two conflicting orders to the same applicants has no precedence in all the world of Anglo-American jurisprodence. This Judge did this legal nonsense because Malaysia is lawless and the judges do what they please and no one cares enough to pro-actively question her for what is truth the commission of several criminal offences like (a) the pervasion of the cause of justice, she also AIDED & ABETTERED PERJURY & FORGERY. Ireported her to the Chief Justice of Malaysia, the Attorney of Malaysia, the Malaysian Bar Council,sent out hundreds of Email to Malaysian legal practioners and written to many blogg. but nobody cares enought to prosecute her. Please go to my blog at http://yapchongyee.blogspot.com; I assure you will enjoy my frustration.

It will be so unfair if the USA goes to show us that the law in the USA is enforced rigorously, that way you take away our cause to ridicule the USA as a lawless nation just like us in the third world.

PLEASE DO NOT IMPEACH V-P CHENY. PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE.

Where is Monica when we need her?

If nothing else, slugging Cheney is a good idea, ~not just because it so desperately needs doing, but also for the consciousness-raising effect it will likely have on Joe & Jolene Public, who still can't *quite* get their heads around the **fact** that their government is a mess of devil-worshipping wingnuts.

Once J. & J. Public see the likes of Cheney-BushCo in court / handcuffs, maybe then the penny will drop, and (little) lights may begin to glow, -signifying some cerebral activity, -where once there was only mass-media-induced ossification!

Dear Mr Kucinich: ... Bring it on! :)

SALIA -- Consider that perhaps you should be equally pissed off, as the alternative is being superduper kaliuper pissed off, and no longer having any rights to express yourself.

I submit, that both of the issues are equally culpable and damning, with either they've committed treason against America, and vast evil upon our world.

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If indeed America is a country "of laws and not of men" then the actions of cheney and the rest of the bush crime family should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If congress chooses to ignore the blatant crimes committed by cheney et al.,then open up all of the prisons in America and release all of the prisoners because the rule of law is nothing but a farce and a sham used to punish the powerless and let the powerful off of the hook!!!

so .. SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT .. if that's what it takes.

It's a TOTALLY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT.

SHUT IT DOWN AND IMPEACH THEM BOTH.

Hanging's too good for them.

outing valerie plame was essentially an act of treason, and should be treated as such.

there is no business before the house more important to the well-being of this nation than at least attempting to restore credibility to government. it's a tragedy that the house speaker and many more of our "representatives" are complicit in the bush administration's crimes.

q: who polices the police?
a: no one.

Wow- talk about 5, 6, 7yrs too late.

I'm not pissed off so much for what they've done to Iraq, but for what they've done to America. Hang them!

And away we go! This is the most encouraging news we have had since Rep. Nancy Pelosi wanted to table Impeachment. If Rep. Pelosi stands in the way this time let her go down with the rest of the Republican gangsters. Our Nation of Laws should not be ignored! Nobody, nobody is above the law.