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You're Damn Right I'm Angry. Why Isn't Everybody?
I write articles each week with titles like "Everything I Need to Know About the Regressive Right I Learned In Junior High", or "Conservatism Is Politics For Kindergartners", or "Schadenfreude Is My Middle Name".
I regret doing so very much. Believe it or not, I really don't like spewing venom, sarcasm and rage all over my computer keyboard.
I particularly don't like it because I have friends who are conservative, and it's not my nature to trash-talk anybody, let alone friends.
Indeed, none of this is in my nature. I don't start fights and I don't go looking for them. I'm not an angry, bitter or mean-spirited person. But I can understand how I might be seen as such in the absence of the appropriate context, and it truly chagrins me that I might be so misperceived, and so negatively.
But I don't intend to change, and I don't intend to stop making the arguments contained in my rants. I'm angry for a very good set of reasons, and I'm angry because I care about my country just the way conservatives claim to. I'm angry, in short, because I'm a patriot and defender of the ideas that America is supposed to stand for. And what I really want to know is why those on the right aren't equally outraged?
I was a teenager when Nixon was being Nixon, destroying democracy at home, napalming civilians in Vietnam, conducting secret wars in Laos and Cambodia, employing racism to win elections. At that age I knew enough to dislike what I saw (and what I learned of what Nixon and McCarthy had done to innocent Americans even earlier, before I was born, in order to serve their political ambitions), but I didn't know enough yet to feel genuine rage at what regressives were doing to my country and to the world.
I began to experience those feelings in my twenties, first as truly sociopathically insane gun laws in this country helped to claim the life of John Lennon, and then as Ronald Reagan began to systematically turn his back on the poor and the middle-class in order to further enrich the country's already wealthy economic elites. I also felt deep shame and outrage that America - the country that had supported if not literally created every two-bit dictator in Latin America, 'our backyard', (and well beyond) for a century - began to murder Nicaraguan peasants in order to halt their struggle to free themselves from the economic and political tyranny of one of those Washington-run caudillo clients, the sickening Somoza regime.
Then I watched in disgust as Newt Gingrich and his merry band of infantile hypocrites impeached a president for lying about a consensual sexual affair, while they were themselves all doing worse, like dumping a wife while she was lying in her hospital bed recovering from cancer surgery, or fathering children with a mistress, or carrying on many years-long affairs.
All of this was truly noxious. Nothing to that point had prepared me, however, for the regressive politics of our time. And they have turned me very angry indeed.
Regressives like to call people like me Bush-haters, and so it is important to address that claim before proceeding, because the entire intent of hurling that label at the president's critics is to undermine their credibility. If you simply hate the man, they imply, you're not rational, and your critiques can be dismissed. But it isn't that simple - not by a long shot. First, it should be noted that the regressive right is far wider a phenomenon than just one person. It currently includes an entire executive branch administration, almost (and, just a year ago, more than) half of Congress, a majority of the Supreme Court and probably a majority of the lower federal courts, a biased-to-the-point-of-being-a-joke mainstream media, and tons of lobbyists, think tanks and profitable industries.
But as to George W. Bush, himself, I suspect it's quite fair to say that most Americans and even most progressives did not originally despise or loathe him. I didn't. I certainly didn't admire the guy, nor did I think he was remotely prepared to be president of the United States. (Nor, by the way, was I particularly impressed with Al Gore in 2000.) Bush campaigned as a center-right pragmatist (a "compassionate conservative", in his words), much as his father had been, and I expected that's how he would govern if elected. You know, more embarrassing most of the time than truly destructive.
I mention all this because it is important to note what has - and what has not - been responsible for my/our anger, and to make clear that attempts to dismiss that anger as some Bush-hating bias or predisposition are false, a ploy to destroy the messenger when one doesn't care for the message he's carrying. If Bush had governed like he campaigned I'm sure I would have disliked him, but neither hated him nor his policies, nor experienced the rage that I feel about what he's done to the country and the world. Frankly, my feelings toward another center-right Bush presidency would have likely been largely the same as my feelings toward the center-right Clinton presidency which preceded it.
But he hasn't governed anywhere near to how he campaigned, and he wasn't even elected properly, and I do in fact feel huge anger at the damage done. Moreover, I cannot for the life of me imagine how anyone - even conservatives - could feel differently. Even the wealthy, to whose interests this presidency is so wholly devoted, have to sleep at night. Even they have children who will inherit a broken country existing in an environmentally and politically hostile world, though no doubt they figure that big enough fences, mean enough private armies, and loads of central air conditioning will insulate them from the damage.
I don't mind that the Bush campaign fought hard to win the 2000 election. That was certainly a legitimate goal for them to pursue. But it nauseates me beyond belief that their agents in the Florida government disenfranchised tens of thousands of African Americans in order to keep them from voting Democratic. And it sickens me that they gathered up a bunch of congressional staffers pretending to be an angry local mob and stormed election canvassers, using pure Gestapo techniques to shut down the most fundamental act of democracy, counting the votes.
I don't mind that the Bush campaign took the election to the Supreme Court, even though they were simultaneously accusing the Gore folks of being litigious. What disgusts me beyond words is that a regressive majority of the Court anointed Bush president in a sheer act of partisan politics. And that they were so anxious to achieve that end that they repudiated all their own judicial politics previously espoused in case after case - from states' rights, to equal protection, to judicial restraint. And that they were so conscious of what they were actually doing that they took the unprecedented step of stating that no lasting principles were involved in the matter, that their decision would forever apply to this case and this case only.
Once in office, there was still the possibility that the administration would govern as it had campaigned, as a rather centrist, status quo-style government, perhaps especially tempered from arrogance and overstretch by the knowledge that the country was deeply divided and that Bush had in fact actually lost the popular vote. In fact, though, they did precisely the opposite.
The first order of business, certainly the top priority for the administration, and arguably the only thing they were ever completely seriously about, was their tax restructuring program. It was grim enough that the tax cuts, as under Reagan, where dramatically tilted in favor of the wealthy. But what made them especially disgusting was that - again, as under Reagan - these wholesale revenue reductions were not only not accompanied by expenditure cuts, but in fact were coupled with increased spending. Can you say "voodoo economics"? Bush's father once had, before he treasonously changed his tune to win the vice presidency (leading to the presidency) for himself. But he was right the first time, before he put personal ambition and transparent insecurity ahead of the national interest. And thus we've witnessed the only possible result of the combination of massive revenue cuts and continuing spending increases: astronomical debt, now well over nine trillion dollars in total, and rapidly growing. What I want to know is how can we - especially so-called family-oriented, so-called fiscal conservatives - not be outraged, not be scandalized, not be boiling with anger at the debt we have transferred to our own children, all so that we could avoid paying our own way, like every generation before us has?
I am outraged as well at how the administration polarized the country in the wake of one of the greatest traumas it had ever experienced. Let us leave aside the ample evidence demonstrating that the Bush team was asleep at the wheel before 9/11 - or perhaps far, far worse - a set of facts which is noteworthy in part because progressives did not use them to attack the president and score cheap but easy political points. But the administration did precisely that. It is disgusting - and it fills me with anger - how they used a national security crisis to win partisan political contests. How they scheduled a vote on the Iraq war resolution right before the midterm elections of 2002, thus politicizing the gravest decision a country can make by forcing Democrats to choose between voting their conscience and campaign accusations of being soft on national security.
It boils my blood that these chickenhawks - almost none of whom showed up for duty in Vietnam when it was their turn - could dare to accuse Max Cleland of being weak on national security, a guy who gave three of his four limbs to that very cause on the battlefields of Southeast Asia. How could they run ads morphing his face into Saddam's or bin Laden's, when his opponent - of course - took Vietnam deferments, just like Cheney and Ashcroft and the rest? And how could they accuse him of being weak on national defense because he opposed the bureaucratic reshuffling to create the Homeland Security Department, when Bush himself had also opposed it? That is, before Rove politicized it by inserting union-busting language applying to tens of thousands of civil servants covered by the act.
It nauseates me beyond words that this president could use the tragedy of 9/11 to justify invading a country which had nothing to do with that attack whatsoever. It enrages me that those who had the courage to oppose this policy so transparently deceitful (and it truly was - from the proof of the Downing Street Memos, to Colin Powell's charade at the UN, to the assurances that the US knew where the WMD were, to the rejection of the weapons inspectors' request to have two more months to finish the job) were labeled as traitors and worse for telling the truth. And that 4,000 Americans and over a million Iraqis have died for these lies.
And speaking of treason, what sort of looking glass have we all fallen through when the government of the United States exposes its own CIA undercover agent in order to punish her spouse for revealing administration lies about the war? When did that cease to be a cause of outrage, especially among our super-patriotic friends on the right?
How is it possible not to be angry looking at the destruction of Hurricane Katrina, and the bungled response of the government before, during and after that tragedy? Indeed, even journalists who had spent so many years licking government boots that their tongues had long ago turned black were moved to outrage at the magnitude of that failure, with the president meanwhile on a stage in San Diego pretending to play guitar at a Republican fundraiser.
I am outraged, as well, by one of the most insane and avoidable tragedies of all human history, the slow-motion holocaust of global warming. How can anyone not be angry at a political movement and a government that puts the short-term profits of one or two industries ahead of the viability of the entire planet? How can anyone not be mortified as we one-twentieth of the world's population, who generate one-fourth of the greenhouse gases causing the problem, not only do nothing about the problem, but actively block the rest of the world from saving all of us from this folly?
I'm furious because the Bush administration and its ideological allies have shredded the Constitution at every turn, destroying the institutional gift of those they pretend to revere (but only when it's convenient to upholding their own depredations). This president, who has gotten virtually everything he has ever wanted throughout his life and his presidency, once privately exclaimed in frustration at not getting something he wanted when he wanted it, "It's just a goddam piece of paper!", and that is precisely how he has treated America's founding document. His signing statements - probably over a thousand in count now - completely obliterate the checks and balances principle of the Constitution, its most central idea. His admitted spying on Americans without warrant smashes the Fourth Amendment. His fiasco in Guantánamo and beyond mocks due process and habeas corpus guarantees. His invasion of Iraq against the international law codified in the UN Charter, to which the United States is a signatory, violates the Constitutional requirement to hold such treaties as the highest law of the land. Altogether, Americans have never seen a presidency with such imperial ambitions, and anyone who cares about the Constitution should be furious. A year from now, it is quite possible that Hillary Clinton will be president of the United States (ugh). Would our conservative friends silently countenance, let alone viciously support, such a monarchy in the White House if it belonged to Queen Hillary rather than King George? I think not.
We could go on and on from here. This administration and the movement it fronts at least gets high marks for consistency. Everything they touch turns to stone. There's Pat Tillman and Terri Schiavo. There's the politicization of the US Attorneys and the corruption of DeLay and Abramoff. There's North Korea, Pakistan and the Middle East. There's the shame of torture and rendition. There's the wrecking of the American military and of the country's reputation abroad. There's Afghanistan and the failure to capture bin Laden. And much, much more. But above all, and driving all, there's the kleptocracy - the doing of everything in every way to facilitate the looting of the national fisc.
What an unbelievable record of deceit, destruction, hypocrisy, incompetence, treason and greed. What a tragic tale of debt, lost wars, stolen elections, environmental crises, Constitution shredding, national shame and diminished security.
All done by the very most pious amongst us, of course. Merry Christmas, eh? I guess those are our presents, all carefully wrapped in spin, contempt, and preemptive attacks on any of us impertinent enough to say "No thanks, Santa".
So, yeah, you're goddam right I'm angry about what's been done to my country, and what's been done by my country in my name.
How could anyone who claims to care about America not be?
David Michael Green is a professor of political science at Hofstra University in New York. He is delighted to receive readers' reactions to his articles (dmg@regressiveantidote.net), but regrets that time constraints do not always allow him to respond. More of his work can be found at his website, www.regressiveantidote.net
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Show AllI'm 72.....and you're damned right I'm angry and sick and tired of being told that I'm not angry enough. But what the fuck am I going to do with that anger....write letters to my goddam representatives?? I'm tired of whining and wagging my tail behind me with all the other sheep and being told to shut up by the sheep because they're building a consensus. I'm almost as fed up by this "progressive" righteous sarcasm as I am by THE GREAT FUCKER himself.
The answer is simple: STOP BUYING!
Marx showed us that Capitalism needs the circulation of capital to survive. If enough people stop buying then the flow/circulation of capital is broken and the system shuts down.
They can't arrest us for simply not buying crap.
It'd all be over by now if only 20% - 30% of the people simply hadn't bought anything but bare necessities during November and December. The system would now be shattered. Get the Christians on board with a targeted Materialism Is Evil message. Turn it into a HOLY WAR that people will understand. We need to paint the whole Materialist System as EVIL. Shoppers are Devil Worshippers.
At 1:39 dmia says,
"Why is it that someone like David Michael Green (who has something concrete and well thought out to offer) gets little or no media attention; yet when Cindy Sheehan as much as farts the Progressive world bows and chants her name? She doesn't say anything!"
OK, bright guy, are your words supposed to be of some brilliance? CD readers may not be as educated as you but we ALL understand the Mr. Green's of the world are rare, which is why they make a living writing and you and I do not. But to dump on Cindy Sheehan for not being the English major you are puts you in the troll category. She speak volumes for most CD readers whereas, fortunately, you do not.
To buffalo ken:
Thanks for your kind response.
I think there is no honest denying that "the time is upon us" as you succinctly put it.
I ask all of those posting here to consider the immediacy of ACTUAL USEFUL ACTION, in addition to reiteration of our negative feelings on the current state of things.
Or to put it more "Faux-Zen":
Why exactly did Orwell concieve of the necessity of "the two minutes hate", in his imagined control-society?
I think the next period can be a time of " hope, remedy, and peace" as long as People find their Peace, with the truth that we need a Remedy, to give us Hope.
If you cannot find faith in the People, find faith in the Place where they Live,
the Cycles of the Earth,
-matti
Mr. Green:
Excellent history of the Bush administration. Almost everything they have done is deplorable.
Regarding the anger part, there are still a lot of fundamentalists and neocon wannabes who don't yet feel disenfranchised, buy into the circular reasoning and phoney reports, and boo and hiss on cue when Hannity uses the "L" word. But its coming. Things are falling apart.
DMG tells it like it is!
You're damn right, they aren't conservatives; they're reactionary, regressive, and reckless!!!!
And I wish that people on the left would stop calling them "conservatives"!
There has never been a more radical six-year run than the Cowboys from Texas, come Connecticut, come Fritz Thiessen Nazis.
Let's call them what they are, as DMG does, regressive, mean-spirited, extra-legal, barbarians at the gate!
The left is just too nice to play hardball with the Rovians!
I am outraged, furious and angry and feel that same visceral reaction as Mr. Green, but the overarching issue is that I cannot seem to have any solutions to channel my anger. I got so sick of signing petitions, I unscubscribed from various lists. Mostly, because my name and address would be added to their database and I would get DAILY mail begging me to save trees which they were killing with the paper they were sending me. I got tired of marching every couple of months as part of a small group of people. And this is liberal Madison, WI. I feel that the last 2 elections have been stolen and that my vote no longer matters. I guess it does, because I have Baldwin and Feingold, but overall, I feel as if my voice really does not count. I have a family and the thought of revolution is not exactly exciting. So I leave 2007 feeling angry and powerless. Sorry for the depressing post. I just dont know what we can do, short of individual states seceding from the USA. Perhaps Wisconsin could join Canada.
PS I dont post much, but frankly posters like Moonraven annoy me. I have been on other forums where there were troll like posters who would find fault and fight with everyone and everything. They remind me of my 20 yo cat who still bites me as I feed her.
Right on sllawrence. Furthermore, if you don't like the way the news is reported unsubscribe from the newspaper or magazine and let the sponsors of the news tv show know that you are no longer watching it and why. Even though we don't watch Fox news we should let the sponsors know why we don't watch it and won't buy their product.
"You're Damn Right I'm Angry. Why Isn't Everybody?"
Everyone is not in touch with their "authentic" feelings.
When the controlled mass media of a special interest group of opportunists is capable of creating a materialistic paradigm, one which most of us feel comfortable with, we will naturally resist questioning our authentic feelings about an issue(s) out of fear of the unknown change it could bring.
Since the status quo fits comfortably within the range of feelings we've grown accustomed to acknowledging via insider propaganda techniques, why would we want to experience our authentic feelings and upset the apple cart? How many of us are willing to admit that we've been brainwashed and desensitized by outside forces which have led us to make disasterous decisions as a consequence?
Regrettably, it will probably take an International Systemic Financial Meltdown to awaken the sleepers from their comatose dream-like state of denial before any collective action will be taken "by and for the people" of this country and the world. And clearly, the fundamentals of our international financial system are very grim. It's just a matter of how much longer the Cartel can manipulate world economies before the ultimate collapse; unsustainable policies and practices can not go on forever.
As John Maynard Keynes wrote: "By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens...There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
The authentic public will be revived when they have to struggle day and night to keep a roof over their heads; pay the out-of-control utility bills; stand in long lines to get gasoline and food; maintain health insurance; pay for college tuitions, etc..
Once the revival takes place, a new paradigm will emerge; one which will represent the needs of "the people" and not the controlling interests of the few.
If you like your DVD's, Books, and Video Games to a high degree, use the library! You can get almost anything for free!
Some thoughts on why there is not more opposition to Bush and the corporate depreciation of American:
-Political correctness alienated large sections of the white working class, especially men, from liberal-progressive ideas. The right moved in and seduced them. It is impossible to win political battles in this country without having the support of most of the white working class. Let's think of ways to win back the white working class. I suggest a lot less political correctness and more populist economic ideas.
"It's either a revolution–with all the concommitant turmoil that implies, especially loss of serene shopping, or:
The Toilet of History."
I'll choose the Toilet...every-time offered, thanks!
[Revolutions are messy-affairs, whereas the Fall of Empires kinda 'clears the air' for all-concerned (and appropriately-punishes the perpetrators/enablers of those greedy-Empires -- if seldom their Aristocrats/Interests)]
"because I have friends who are conservative"
Dear Dimwit,
These are not your parent's conservatives. Eisenhower would be considered an extremist liberal by these conservatives. These conservatives HATE America
Why you choose to have un-American friends is your problem. These people are evil, and their willful ignorance is no longer acceptable or believable.
I don't hang with Klan members or Nazis, or Conservatives. Of the 3 listed the conservatives are by far the worst, especially when you take into consideration the amount of harm they have caused the United States, and the world. I prefer scum be more obvious in their hatred of America, so they have no hope of ever running our country into the ground as the conservatives are doing right now.
You need better friends Dimwit
I said this years ago and I say it again: IF enough people in this country get angry, we just might have ourselves another revolution. Are you comfortable yet?
for godfrey: ways to address our complaints--begin with IMPEACHMENT--BOTH CHENEY AND BUSH!!!
Write/Call the Judiciary committee and tell them you support HR333 and impeachment. http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx
Write/Call Congress http://www.congress.org
Sign on with the folks at Impeach Bush: http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer
and when your republican relatives say if we were lied into this war, somebody would have impeached him already, just shake your head and mutter.
Being angry at what our government by the people, for the people has done and is doing in Iraq and Gitmo keeps my heart alive.
my comment got misplaced by cd's server. the first move we the people must make is to IMPEACH CHENEY AND BUSH!
Write/Call the Judiciary committee and tell them you support HR333 and impeachment. http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx
Write/Call Congress http://www.congress.org
Sign on with the folks at Impeach Bush: http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer
Not everyone is angry because they're too busy being afraid.
1. Fear
2. 9/11
3. Fear
4. 9/11
5. Did I forget to mention 9/11? 9/11. 9/11. 9/11.
If this list surprises you, you've been ignoring the defenders of waterboarding.
For example, Jonah Greenberg is bewildered in "Wishy-Washy Waterboarding", 12/14, Townhall; why liberals don't accept the decisions made by Nancy Pelosi, to accept waterboarding. Shouldn't decisions made in secret, fear, uncertainty and doubt be upheld? Jonah seems to think so. He concludes that it is only fear that makes Democrats make the right decisions. Fear as wielded by Republicans is a good thing. Americans simply cannot be trusted to make the correct decision without FUD driving them.
9/11 did not frighten me. I knew (wrongly as it turns out) that I lived in the land of the free, home of the brave.
I had no comprehension of how many Americans despise their own Constitution. Tell them they don't have habeas corpus and they're RELIEVED. Of course we don't have the right to challenge the government if we're detained, if we did then a traitor could. We must all have no more rights then a traitor.
When you think it's brain-dead obvious that "national security" trumps "human rights", then it follows the Constitution is a "suicide pact", the Geneva Convention is "quaint", and waterboarding is a moral right of the US to do but no one else. If you think that human rights trumps or is intertwined with national security, then you come to a very different conclusion.
::: unkanny :::
"Are you willing … to own, that probably the only good reason for your existence is not what you are going to get out of life, but what you are going to give to life; to close your book of complaints against the management of the universe and look around you for a place where you can sow a few seeds of happiness … to make a grave for your ugly thoughts and a garden for your kindly feelings …?"
Henry van Dyke
Not yet. Too angry.
This for the inept who attempt to counter my post:
1. You aren´t going to find many of the enemy...while wearing combat fatigues and hiding in the woods...care to try again?
2. The issue is hardly "American", a misstatement of notable proportion, but truly global in scope, intent, and malice toward all. You might do well to recognize that those who choose to combat the enemy to human brotherhood ...are rarely found in the "woods" as you put it, but rather, quite close to the enemy itself. Is this your best?
This for moonraven; Thank you for taking the time to speak truth, it is heard and recognized.
Our hopes may well only remain with the indigenous peoples of the "Americas", for the majority of the gorged and bleating masses north of you have not the stomach to die on their feet, preferring to live on their knees at any cost to others, including their own kin such as aged parents and children, impoverished homeless women, or even deluded and deceived "veterans" as current examples, although their actions generally speaking have demonstrated their debased character for decades and even centuries.
In the spirit of Crazy Horse!
THe other thing is, personal self sacrifice will make one feel good, but it is not a solution to the problem. Yes we can forego buying stuff, but that will not make a dent in the budgets of 99.9% of others who still fuel the economy. What will bring this house of cards down will be a financial crisis. It is already in the works with the mortage meltdown. We have noticed that our wages which are solidly middle class cannot buy much more than food and gas and we are talking about 2 working people with no credit card debt. If people are hungry they will be angry. Remember the bread riots in 1917 Russia, that is what sparked the revolution. People can be numbed by TV and fear for so long. Eventually their bellies will have to be filled. Still though, let's hope it does not come to that. I do want American Idol to continue!
Paul B. and Gail have got the right ideas. Let's put them together.
This whole discussion needs to move away from the whole liberal, progressive, conservative, etc. arguement/position. None of these labels represent the people of America or the health of the planet. They are just slogans at this point in time. I think the situation has become the issue of THE PEOPLE/PLANET vs EVERYTHING ELSE. That means that all of the people that are victims of the current mess are on the same side. Doesn't matter if you are Dimm, Repug, Green, Purple, of Independent. If the current system is not delivering "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" to you, then you are one of the PEOPLE. If you are "winning" in the current system in America, then you are definitely on the other side - EVERYTHING ELSE.
The revolution is already happening whether you signed up or not. Paul is right. Economic collapse is coming soon and the whole system is going to come apart at the seams. I'm calculating that this whole thing will start to become obvious, and painfully felt by everyone, around March. The Fed and Wall Street are running out of tools to cover up the systemic cancer that has been growing in the economy for over 40 years.
We are all in this sinking boat together. And we will definitely need each other to survive. sllawrence in his post above is on the right track, but his suggestions are more urgent than he/she knows. And starting today we should all be buying only locally whenever possible, buy only essentials and things you will need for hard times, and get your dollars (if you have any) out of the stock market. And if you don't like the idea of putting cash under your mattress, park it over at your local credit union. This is about getting back to the basics of community and reestablishing the commons.
Please start to prepare now for what is almost inevitable at this point. Personally I have sold my house, prepaid my rent for 2 years, am working on a years supply of essentials and food, looking into a solar generator for my well, getting together with my neighbors to plan for community food sovreignty, and buying a lot of seeds for us to plant in the spring.
Peace, Community, and Best Wishes to All
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/01/18/stories/2004011800181400.htm
This is a great article that puts a lot of things in perspective.
I consider my lucky, very lucky in that I had two excellent teachers. One was the woman gave birth to me. She was a packing house union leader during that big war in the 40's ( call it the Great War since it really was just part 2 of the earlier go round ) But she understood the issues and taught me well. Workers work for money, money people have their money work for them. During a strike in 1948 she stood side by side with Hubert Humphrey asking his support for strikers to get some help in paying bills and getting food. She also got him to deliver. Then in the mid 50's I had a talented teacher named Mr. F. Jones. Mr Jones taught soc studies and life itself. He had the maps, the text books, the tests etc but he also had the first hand experience of being in other places. He taught what we had in common and what was different. He said someting that shocked some other kids like " USA had no business going against Germany at anytime, they have been the best of friends. Mr. Jones said it was not the Jewish issue for had it been then US and the rest of thw rold would have been in Germany in 1933. It was all about how to make more money for the rich. By the time I went to college I found out there was so much more I needed to know since I had learned there was so much out there. Thank you to the two teachers..Later in life I met another teacher, he was like a father to me. From him I learned that you cannot trust many people younger than you, they think mostly for themselves. Oh I am angry and depressed about the way my country is going, but then our real US history shows that we never were much better. Bush has made it a lot worse is all.
Those of you stocking up on food for the impending apocalypse, bear in mind that your counterparts on the right are doing the same thing but for vastly different reasons. The left and the right are both waiting for shit to hit the fan (and it will at some point), be it revolution or Armageddon/Rapture.
I am not into stocking up on the essentials yet, but it has crossed my mind. I am seriously considering buying heirloom seeds and improving on my pathetic gardening skills.
Sorry bud, cannot count yourself "a patriot and defender of the ideas that America is supposed to stand for" if you pick and choose which parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights you want to respect. As you do in your article.
Can't have the 1st without the 2nd bub, time to wake up.
p.s. there are plenty of true conservatives who are angrier than you are, and we're putting our collective might behind the only candidate that will set the country straight: RON PAUL.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com
Brilliant essay, David. Please write a book! Obviously, your notes and records of this sad time in our country's history are a wealth of data and many formal, published documents will be needed in order to keep this terrible time in the spotlight of history. We should all be working hard so that we can say "never again!" We should vow never again to allow our citizens to be put in jeopardy of losing our freedom, integrity, world reputation, honesty and even faith. franpierce
"If more progressives would express themselves this way rather than using the tactics that Code Pink uses, Progressives would have a chance. Playing dead on the lawn of the Capital doesn't say anything meaningful. We already know that people are dying in the wars. We get it. Save this stuff for drama class.
Why is it that someone like David Michael Green (who has something concrete and well thought out to offer) gets little or no media attention; yet when Cindy Sheehan as much as farts the Progressive world bows and chants her name? She doesn't say anything!"
You've answered your own question. MSM does not give attention to intelligent, thoughtful commentary, only to selected bits of drama. BTW- I have read some intelligent commentary from Cindy Sheehan. It does not get played either. Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if nobody is there to hear it? MSM's disinformation and "fair and balanced" presentations of opinions based on facts against opinions based on lies doesn't hold a candle to MSM's failure to present the facts in the first place. The rest of the world knows facts that much of the US population has either never heard of or heard only once followed by an intense campaign of lies to discredit it.
Good on ALL of you!!!
If Hillary and Ron Paul get the nomination, I ain't voting Dimm.
And I agree with Bill B. - this has been a long time coming. Cheney has been in the government for 35 or more years setting things up. You think he is going to give up now? His "Rapture" is in sight.
And PLEASE start now to figure out how you can be a part of your community to assist in the hard times to come.
Oh, and heirloom seeds are not required. Just make sure they are open pollenated so they will breed true when you replant the seed. No hybrids (F1) or GM.
Happy planting! No green thumbs required. Just patience and perseverance.
Why are more people not angry?
Because they don't know.
But why don't they know?
Because they haven't been educated.
Why haven't they been educated?
Because if they were educated the powers-that-be couldn't do what they want to do.
So why don't the people educate themselves?
Two reasons: because they don't want to know and because they're lazy. It takes work to dig up the truth and most people don't want to work any more than they have to. Making a living is hard enough, especially for the poor and middle class, who have to watch every penny.
So why doesn't our society help the poor and middle class out so they have more time to dig up the truth?
Because the powers-that-be don't want the poor and middle class to dig up the truth.
So what's the answer to this round-robin, catch-22 scenario?
I'm not sure, but I think we need a revolution, a voting revolution, one that's fueled by self-education. We need to speak up, talk to each other, tell each other the truth. We can't vote for the lesser of two evils anymore, regardless as to which party the lesser evil belongs to.
And maybe we should try to drive as little as possible and stop shopping as much as possible.
Send a message: elect Dennis Kucinich. Reverse JFK's "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Tell our leaders that it's about time they did something for us or we won't vote for them. The truth is that they need us more than we need them. After all, we buy the stuff they sell.
Oh, and DON'T join the military. It's purpose is no longer to protect American soil and American people. That should be obvious by now to almost everyone.
Rebel/Moonraven thanks for the seed info. The seeds that I get at the supermarket, I am not sure if it is my lack of a green thumb or the seeds suck.
Anyhow the more I think about it, I frankly dont think this country is in imminent demise, so Rebel, you may have cans left over for years. I mean, seriously, people can take a lot of shit before they blow. I was born in the Soviet Union and we slogged thru long lines, scarcity, more long lines, shoddy apartments and merchandise for 70 years. We tried to get around the system with an entire under the table economy. We simply got used to the shitty standard of living. Right now most people in the US have a pretty good standard of living, unsustainable, but overall, they are not suffering. I think the financial meltdown is coming, but it may be more of a thaw than a meltdown. The corporations have to balance the fact that they want to increase their profit margin with the fact that the population can afford their products less and less. Case in point, why is WalMart so popular, because it is cheap. Having said that, I am really not certain how much Americans (and I am referring specifically to the US) can take. They are not used to wars, suffering, scarcity, and being denied goods. They want it all and they want it now. Katrina showed us that in 2-3 days all social and civc facbric was completely torn. If the system breaks down and they cannot get the iPOD or their french fries, will they slog through it like the Russians or will they revolt. I suspect more people will revolt over the lack of food and stuff vs. the theft of our democracy. Anyhow, my musings, but I hesitate to say that the shit will hit the fan soon. We have been told that since the 50s (remember the fall out shelters) and the sky has not fallen yet. It will, but I am not certain of the timeline and now ready to stock up yet!
FREIA, It will arrive like a thief in the night, suddenly, and within two or three days, the supermarkets will be empty and they will not be restocked. It will be Katrina magnified ten thousand times and within a week the rioting across the entire country will commense. We'll see. My guesstimate is next spring. Hope I am totally wrong.
If you aren't angry enough, go to Google video and search 9/11 truth then watch "The Truth and Lies of 9/11"
Martial law will be inacted if a depressin hits. Read the Presidential Directives already passed into law.
All traffic, land, air, sea, and highways will be controlled by the government, including private vehicles.
All fuel will be controlled by the government. All money including personal bank accounts and credit cards will be controlled by the government.
The government has the right to form work groups of citizens. The government has the right to detain and hold any, whom they deem to be a threat to the government.
All medical staffs and hospitals will be controlled by the ogvernment. All farms and food supplies, all water sources, all electrical power, commmuinications and the media, will be controlled by the government.
There is more, but that sort of gives one an idea of what the President has been authorized to do under martial law. None of that will prevent the rioting or the hunger.
Military personnel, police forces, fire departments, some medical personnel, some government employess, some elected officials and "private police forces", will have ample food supplies. The food will be the gold standard until the smoke clears and the bodies are burned. ___ Population Control 101.
Kem Patrick: We might as well get ready for the matial law part. We aren't doing much to stop the warming. When our emissions have to go to zero, our food has to be rationed to share with starving people elsewhere, and we are totally unprepared. We will need to ensure everyone is making the sacrifices required or is jailed.
Moonraven, "The Boston tea party was a thing of the past." True statement. I however would like to propose a new, progressive campaign simply but effectively named, 'The New Boston Tea Party', in which a thoughtful coalition will have succinctly defined a mission statement exposing the current surge on our constitution and its' associated atrocities. Then, you can personalize your New Tea Party invitation volunteering your patriotic service to a particular section of the ship, since the entire vessel has been vandalized.
I'll boycott products and pocketbooks in a heartbeat. If enough of us want to party,(15 to 20 million would be phenomenal), then perhaps a massive products/companies boycott strategically targeting the "Corporate pillager of the week", with specific instructions of what not to buy and who not to buy it from, would have an effect that would be undeniable. That way we wouldn't all have to show up at the harbor and the campaign could be sustained through the internet. A lot more American citizens than that pitched in during world war 2 to protect our freedom. Building ships, planes and the like. We have a lot more than 15 million citizens now that would be willing to contribute to a 'Take Back the Constitution' effort that could be effective through NOT buying something in great quantities. Zero can be very effective.
David Michael Green also left out the fact that the Bush administration let the Military Style Assualt Weapons ban expire. . . That said, I recieved for Christmas from my lovely wife, a beautiful black Sprinfield SOCOM II rifle, 16 inch barrel with muzzle brake, in .308 Winchester, along with many high capacity magazines, just so when Martial Law is declared, this retired First Sergeant can continue to Uphold and Defend the Constitutional Rights that he is still sworn to defend.
Last time I checked, the International Law of Land Warfare allows, military combatants to execute on the spot any illegal combatants (the MSM affectionately calls them "insurgents" those of us in the profession call them "terrorists")captured on the battlefield. Those fine fellows down in Gitmo at least still have their HEADS! That is more than I can say for our troops captured by Mohammad's Butchers! Veritos Vos Liberabit!
Peterc, Grouping David Michael Green with right wing revisionists is like putting Rush Limbaugh on Air America radio. You're way off. Read The Regressive Antidote collection written by him to enlighten your ignorant self, or even better, actually READ his article right here that you are quoting from. It sounds like neo con modus operandi to pick one phrase out of an article and twist it you fit your warped point of view.
Perhaps you could use a reading comprehension course.
MATERIALISM IS EVIL --- This principle is easy to prove: Wordly Power (Golden Crown of Pharoah) vs. Spiritual Power (the Christ's Crown of Thorns).
Materialism is the cornerstone of the System.
Once you prove the premise that MATERIALISM IS EVIL, then logically the foundation is cracked, and THE TEMPLE is destroyed.
I read a post by a paramedic stuck in New Orleans by Katrina. He said that the common people worked together to help and feed each other. (They weren't in the Superdome because of circumstances)
It was the police who would come and break up their attempts to organize. The post, I believe, was on Truthout. Maybe you can still google it.
I have had the idea of becoming more self sufficient. Every year I try to plant a garden and every year the bugs or something gets it. I have goats, but when they have babies they die. That sucks. No more breeding of goats.
I have fruit trees, but this year we had warm weather in Jan and they all blossomed and then we had a freeze in April, and not one piece of fruit grew this year. The real farmers lost their fruit and their wheat.
This is why people gave up farming and moved to the city in the first place, I know. but that life is unsustainable, due to the end of cheap oil and the immorality of living off other people's cheap labor.
So I'll keep trying, but it's harder than it sounds.
And I agree that 9-11 is used to put fear into the hearts of the ignorant. And I don't think it scared us at first. I wasn't afraid. When I ask people if they were afraid the first day, they say no. It is the media and the Bush junta that made people think to be afraid of terrorists. And yes, of course it was the US shadow government that did it, not Muslim extremists.
I actually heard a New Yorker talking to someone and she said, "When 9-11 happened, I wasn't worried. I didn't work in that building. I didn't even work in that neighborhood" Then she said, "But now I know, I should be worried". Oh really? That's brainwashing. But I thought it was interesting that even someone in Manhattan didn't think that they were involved until the mass media started the drumbeat of propaganda.
What I have done is show 9-11 Revisited and 9-11 Mysteries at a public forum. Pass out leaflets and put out press releases. Then I give copies to anyone who shows an interest and ask them to show it to others.
Weirdly enough, I've had some better responses from Republicans-including a former Army recruiter- than some Democrats.
Anyway, get the truth out there to inoculate people from the propaganda. Don't ever let people talk about 9-11 in front of you without pointing out it was an inside job. We'll never stop any wars as long as people believe the lies of 9-11 and the use of it to kill other people
Edgar Morin has been called one of France's "national treasures." With university degrees in history, economics and law, he began his career in 1950 at the CNRS (National Center for Scientific Research), with a particular concern for cross-disciplinary dialogue.
IMHO, the fact that in the U.S., his exposure as a writer has been miniscule, is all too reflective of American insularity and our perilous sociocentrism.
One of the chapters in Morin's 1999 book, Homeland Earth, is entitled, "Our Earth-Centered Goals."
It begins:
"Two apparently antagonistic goals [are] inseparably linked: first the
survival of humanity, and second, ongoing hominization.
"The first goal is conservative as it aims at preserving and safeguarding
not only cultural and natural diversities defaced by unrelenting processes
of standardization and destruction, [or civilizational gains threatened by
barbarous regressions and outbursts],
"but also the very life of humanity threatened by nuclear weaponry and
biospheric pollution, a Damoclean double threat that is a product of
Hyperbarbarism. …
"The second goal is revolutionizing (I purposely avoid the word
revolutionary, which has become reactionary and is tarnished by barbarism), and aims at creating conditions within which humanity could realize itself as such within a community/society of nations.
"This new stage will only be reached if human relations are everywhere revolutionized, from those of the self with the self,between the self and others or between relatives…between the self and societies, between knowers and knowledge, and between human beings and nature.
"An unavoidable paradox ensues. To preserve involves change in order to
guarantee the pursuit of hominization. To change requires conservation, not only of our biological integrity, but of our cultural and civilizational
legacies as well.
"A second paradox lies under the seemingly contradictory double imperative: to preserve/to change, namely to progress/to resist.
"Resistance is a duty that has persisted…Personally, I am proud of having
done just that after having fought against Nazism…
"To be sure, always and everywhere, humanity has had to resisted pervading cruelty and attendant spite, contempt, and indifference.
"Yet the present-day twofold barbarism stands for excessively heightened cruelty:
heinous cruelty…issues into murder, torture, individual amd collective
furor; and anonymous cruelty stems from technobureaucratic barbarism…
"to resist the twofold barbarism has consequently become a primordial and
vital necessity, a condition for the survival of humanity, a prerequisite
for ongoing hominization."
greenerthanthou
I remember reading that same article, and I think it was at TruthOut. And yes, the police disrupted their efforts to organize, and stopped them from crossing the bridge to escape from the city.
Try raising chickens instead of goats, it's easier. Once you teach them to roost in the coup, you can let them free range during the day, and the eggs are better than any you can get in the store. They come in many varieties and I suggest several of each type.
From UNESCO/ The New Courier/ January 2004
"Dialogue among civilizations"
An Interview with Edgar Morin
Dialogue assumes equality
For this French philosopher and sociologist, dialogue is only possible between individuals who recognize each other as subjects with the same dignity and the same rights. That is why he is pessimistic about our era, which he describes as marked by Manichaeism and a breakdown in understanding.
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Could you help us define the concept of "dialogue among civilizations", or even the notion of "civilization", particularly in contrast to "culture"?
E.M.: According to a classic distinction, proposed by 19th century German sociology, we call culture that which belongs to an ethnic group, a nation or community – in other words its customs, beliefs, mores, rites, celebrations, gods and myth. Whereas civilization is what can be transmitted from one culture to another.
For instance, potato farming was transmitted from Andean America to Europe and then to the rest of the world, just as the use of the plough started in one corner of the world and spread everywhere. In other words, civilization is technical and material: it is what can be passed on.
The idea of "dialogue among civilizations", however, takes the word "civilization" more in the sense of "culture" because it makes reference to a set of distinct features that supposedly can't be mixed. When we speak of dialogue between civilizations in its ordinary meaning, we think in a simplified way of western civilization, or Chinese, Islamic, Christian, Iranian, African and so on. Yet if I speak of Chinese civilization, I think of the Tao or Confucianism, which of course can circulate.
And Islamic civilization, for instance, encompasses countries and populations who have different cultures, even if it can obviously spread elsewhere in the world. In short, civilization and culture are vague concepts and subject to uncertainty!
It seems to me, however, that what UNESCO means is "We are different, we have different beliefs and religions, but our unique characteristics should not prevent us from engaging in dialogue."
What does it mean for a civilization to "dialogue"?
E.M.: From my point of view, civilizations or cultures do not dialogue. Only individuals can engage in dialogue. Those concerned are part a culture, they are open and can recognize the existence of the Other. By using our differences as a starting-point, they think we can find common ground and a common language – for example "We are all seeking peace."
If you take the medieval Christian world at the time of the Crusades, dialogue was not possible either with Muslims or Jews. With the fundamentalist Islamic fanatics of today, there is no dialogue possible either, because for them all others are "infidel dogs". As soon as the Other becomes a wrongdoer or an infidel, dialogue becomes impossible.
And today, are Westerners open to dialogue?
E.M.: Right now, a Good Empire and an Evil Empire have been defined as such by those in power in the United States, while from Al-Qaeda's point of view it's the exact opposite. Each claims to represent Good while the other represents Evil. And Manichean situations make dialogue impossible.
Certain Westerners, however, who have studied other civilizations, think that Islam cannot be reduced to fundamentalism; it's a great religion that had an eminently civilizing role in the past, particularly in the era of Baghdad, the califates and Andalusia.
They point out furthermore that it was the only great civilization of the High Middle Ages, that there are several interpretations of Islam, and that even in the heart of the Islamic world there are partisans of secularity.
As soon as you have diversity in a culture or a civilization, you have people who are ready for dialogue. Generally they are the least conformist minds, "deviant" minds, sometimes the mixed-breed products of several civilizations.
What is a "dialogue"?
E.M.: It's when each person can set out his thesis, produce his arguments, and the other person is not prohibited from doing the same.
What are the conditions for dialogue?
E.M.: First of all, recognition of the Other as an interlocutor having rights equal to one's own. Real dialogue is when you recognize the same dignity in the other. No dialogue is possible between a master and his slave.
Dialogue assumes equality – which is a relatively new viewpoint in European culture! Western Europe dominated and exploited the world starting with the conquest of America; it practiced slave trading and slavery; it carried out the longest and harshest dominations in history.
Yet in that same Europe, and perhaps as early as the conquest, deviant minds developed some of the key ideas that allow dialogue: it was Bartolomeo de Las Casas, Spanish priest, who said that the American indigenous people were humans like everyone else, and it was Montaigne who said we called other civilizations "barbarians". It continued with Montesquieu who imagined a so-called Persian coming to examine France in the manner of an anthropologist brought up on human rights philosophy.
In other words, Western Europe was simultaneously the home of domination and of ideas about emancipation. And it was by appropriating those ideas that colonized people were able to relatively obtain emancipation.
What are the obstacles to dialogue in today's world?
E.M.: There is an obstacle when what is sacred for one is not sacred for the other. For example, a Muslim, a Christian and a Jew cannot have a dialogue to establish whether Jesus rose on the third day, Moses received the Ten Commandments, or Mohammed had a revelation from the Angel Gabriel. But we can recognize what is sacred for the Other and engage in dialogue, that is to say make progress in knowing the Other.
Those who dialogue are a minority, but they exist. Though when they are very few, it does not go far.
What is the difference between dialogue and negotiation?
E.M.: Negotiating is bargaining for interests, to reach an agreement. Whereas genuine dialogue is understanding the Other. To understand the Other, first we have to try and know him in his entirety, know his beliefs, his customs, his rites, his civilization – which presupposes erudition or a certain education.
We must understand that the Other is a subject like oneself, meaning an autonomous individual who commands respect. Then you need the subjective impetus of interest and sympathy. Without that, there is no comprehension.
Today we are in conditions of collective hysteria and Manichaeism that prevent sympathy and therefore understanding. We are in a period where understanding is losing ground because of the war and its consequences.
How can we encourage this impetus towards sympathy, which you refer to?
E.M.: Take the example of France and Germany who fought for a century and a half. In France, it was taught in schools that the Germans were brutes and in Germany that the French were worthless. After World War II, it was decided that history books should be revised and that the socio-centric vision should be replaced by a wider point of view. But on the other hand, today in Western Europe, we continue to obscure certain parts of history when we study this continent.
We forget, for instance, that the Ottoman Empire went as far as Hungary and the former Yugoslavia and that it played a civilizing role for centuries. You have to have a background in history to sympathize with the Other.
In other words, many conditions must be fulfilled before engaging in dialogue. Certain individuals with a key role in the government or civil society can also facilitate the process by producing manuals and books helping us to understand others. Mutual understanding is a condition for dialogue.
Do you agree with Huntington that after the Cold War a clash between Western civilization and Islamic civilization was unavoidable?
E.M. No, it was avoidable. But I would say that today the clash is under way, even if it hasn't really occurred yet. Several elements point to it. For example, until the intervention in Iraq, the kamikaze (suicide bomber) phenomenon was limited to a very small group of Palestinian militants from the Islamic Jihad.
Now it's spread to Iraq, where you also find another form of kamikaze behaviour, close to what existed in Japan during World War II: even people who are not fundamentalist believers are ready to sacrifice their lives for their country.
As soon as we're dealing with escalation of war, repression of terrorism and military terror, a vicious circle of hate, contempt, rejection and disgust emerges, and perhaps at that very moment a war between civilizations starts, which we must combat.
How can we fight?
E.M.: With words, intelligence and conscience. We know what principles we must respect: understanding others and recognizing their rights. There are periods, such as ours, in which very little dialogue is possible. I think we are entering a dark period.
Interview by Sophie Boukhari
The way to change is to desire change and believe that we have the power to modify anything, and we do. Let's all collectively take a deep breath, focus the power of our intention to create a positive image, let the image be to see that the driving force behind the Neocons and Cowboys destroying our Constitution and our country cease to have the power to do it!
The strength that lies at the core of each individual to change things and modify the future is ours NOW! Let's use it. What's happening to our country is NOT beyond our control! let's take the wheel again, desist from thinking that we have to be victimized by these outrageous human beings in power who think that they can control all of us, and let's CHANGE things! it's time!
Wake up, turn off your T.V. sets, and take charge of your spiritual, emotional and intellectual life NOW!. Simply put, each of us is a perfect human being with the universal capacity to create and co-create our own reality and if this reality that we are living now sucks, then let's tune in to our inner power and THINK CHANGE, IT WILL HAPPEN, IT CAN HAPPEN, IT HAS TO HAPPEN NOW! Thoughts are transmitted through the vast channels of energy in the universe and we can touch other people with this energy, redirect our present and our future and visualize a different outcome for our Country, our Children, our beloved Planet Earth, and the incredibly beautiful diversity of animal life trying to survive our transgressions! We are the change, we are the solution, let's visualize everything with reverence and LOVE and we stand a chance!
Watergirl, I love what you say, but to a realist like me, it sounds more like a prayer than a plan.
"I wonder after reading the other posts if there are also 99 reasons why the citizens of our country are not yet angry enough to put a stop to this corrupt, greedy, cruel, radical administration."
99 bottles of beer on the wall.
99 bottles of beer.
take one down . . .
Watergirl, I like you. And what you said. Sure, it does sound more like a prayer than a plan, but maybe the first part of making a plan is convincing yourself that it can work.
It's easy to go all nihilistic these days, and think that there's no way to save our civilization and we'd better start preparing to live like cavemen, but maybe you're right. Maybe we can turn everything around and make the world a better place.
Maybe we could all use a little positive reinforcement. I know I could. Thank you very much for your attitude. It's like a breath of fresh air.
Kem, I really dont think it will come to shortages of food and non-stocked shelves. Christ, even in Iraq people go to grocery stores to get whatever meager supplies are distributed, dodging US forces and suicide bombers. Short of a massive natural disaster like Katrina or a manufactured one like say 9/11 it will affect a small area, not the entire country. The thing is that capitalists want us to consume, so they will not destroy the system that literally feeds them. What I see happening is not some doomsday scenario (dont say this spring, because if you are wrong, then you have to think of another date :-), but a slow financial enslavement of the US population by credit/debt, wage stagnation, rising gas and food prices, but the crap such as CD players, TVs etc, will still stay reasonable or be available on credit. I see it already, because every grocery trip is more expensive than the previous one and gas is up and what I make does not stretch as much. I envision more of a 1984 type of a state vs. total anarchy. Eventually, such a state becomes rotten to the core, witness the collapse of the Soviet Union. So dont give up hope!
PS here is me the conspiracy theorist coming out 1) The Osama tape and 2) Bhutto assassination could have US ties to it. Very convenient to spread fear and play into the hands of Republicans just before Iowa. Watch for something similar before Super Tues, Feb 5th. By the time primaries come to us in WI 2/19, the race would have probably been decided.
This for the inept who attempt to counter my post:
1. You aren´t going to find many of the enemy…while wearing combat fatigues and hiding in the woods…care to try again?
What the hell's wrong with you folks? Don't you have ANY sense of humor whatsoever? Maybe I should use little smiley faces so you'll know to stop taking yourselves so seriously.