No Immunity!! This guy's a crinimal from the Reagan days. But again, this item is from a UK news source. Where is this item in the US MSM? Nowhere is my presumption.

Oh happy day. ___ I do hope Rodriguez has a secure hideout.

This reminds me of the 'Pelican Brief' story. Hope it has a like ending.

Of course if and when things get hot in the White House, Bush may inact a terror attack someplace, then of course Hell will break loose and our sitting devils can begin the purge.

Hi Karlof, I haven't seen much about it in the newspapers or on the TV news either, but it has been well covered on CSPAN. Conyers has been conducting a Congressional hearing on the issue and the nooses are being readied. If Rodriguez tells the truths, he can have immunity and a box of chocolate covered cheeries as far as I'm concerned.

Cheney, Rove and Bush aren't the only ones who know how to dance in DC, and It looks like a lot of the established in-croud there are 'totally' fed up with this administration and they're going to light some fuses and pull some plugs.

Yes, indeed..you can bet something is in the works to put this in the background. The dominoes are falling and they will do anything to save their butts, including another false flag operation. Please be aware and stay awake.

It appears as if the operatives who actually carry out the dirty work have decided to practice that time-honored tactic: CYA (Cover Your Ass). What is surprising is that did not happen earlier. What is tragic is that they did not sabotage this amok administration earlier. What is sad is that nothing has been learned from this by the American public.

This is one great holiday gift. I'll send him a whole carton of chocolates if he can bring these criminals down. I absolutely do hope he can keep himself and his family safe. I put nothing beyond the criminals. I'm gonna wrap this guy in constant white light starting right now.

"Please be aware and stay awake."

Yes. It may be difficult to move around soon - Isn't there a law going into effect at end of January, whereby permission has to be sought from Homeland Security before any and all air flights within or from the US? That is, permission to travel must be sought by all persons?

See "Homeland Security's Domestic Travel Permits" - Daily Kos, Sept 26th, 07.

The timing of this event is intended for inaction. This is another of a string of various legal black holes into which the White House should fall into, but with enough spin, they will squeal out, again and again and again.

I want to see Bush tried for war crimes and executed, simple as that, don't you? This probable authorization of destruction of the tapes would have been bad enough for any other administration, but this is small beans... AGAIN. The depth and width of moral and fiscal corruption of this administration exceeds belief.

Again, get Bush up for war crimes, and work for his anti-Constitutional policies, invasion of a sovereign country and work for his guilt and execution. My basement wall is available for use.

I'm waiting for this headline:
Jose Rodriguez, former head of the CIA's clandestine service found dead in remote park in Washington D.C. with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet hole through the back of his head. Mr. Rodriquez's death has been ruled suicide by the authorities

I had not heard that one VOICE. But that's the type of thing Hitler did and Hitler is not dead. I don't believe Bush and Cheney have their ducks all lined up yet. Rove ran and many others jumped ship. We may not have too much to worry about, except Bush is a psycopath and ya never know for sure.

To Ask For an Investigation, Go To:

Wexlerwantshearings.com

Hi Kem,
I am more optimistic about the power of truth.
If Bush did try to pull off an emergency rule with a violent pretext as he has the power to do, I just don't think that after all these revelations, not many would be ready to follow his orders.

Hitler's power came from Bush family investments in Germanys rise and Hitler had a lot of loyal followers... I don't see Bush as having any real power now. Hitler was not a Lame Duck who had the Gestapo turning on Him like Bush does now...
Like I have always said "Folks, we are winning now".

VOICE2 et al: Please tell me how I can access "Homeland Security's Travel Permits" on Daily Kos. I've tried the "search" for "one quarter" which would include today, but 0 stories or comments are found. Thanks.

"Yes. It may be difficult to move around soon - Isn't there a law going into effect at end of January, whereby permission has to be sought from Homeland Security before any and all air flights within or from the US? That is, permission to travel must be sought by all persons?

See "Homeland Security's Domestic Travel Permits" - Daily Kos, Sept 26th, 07."

Dear commondreamer, you must have been reading some old copy of Reader's Digest, all my childhood that magazine told me that things were like that.....in the USSR!

Felices fiestas para todos, anyway!

This guy may be the John Dean figure we've been waiting for.... but the political culture of the American Empire has changed so much, I wonder if even a direct implication of Bush or Cheney (or both) would have any noticeable effect.

I think you are right JIM, we'll see. We'll se how far this Congressional investigation goes also. We've been stonewalled several other times by Cheney. Like you, I have a good feeling about this one. We do have to remember, a trapped rat can be a dangerous creature.

Conservative authoritarians, reactionaries, fearmongering, war-mongering greedheads in power are going at each other throats and deserting the sinking ship. 'Twas ever thus. But the oligarchy sees opportunity in chaos...

NATE W: Yep, and what about sheer cowardice? How many on the inside of this pro-torture administration bother to step out of line and blow the whistle before their own cover is blown?

I just ran to the supermarket to pick up an extra item for dinner and a very angelic child sitting in the card before me started singing, "He knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for Christmas sake." And I thought, how young these messages of being good to get rewards start; how the notion of "being watched" to prove that goodness is inculcated at such tender ages. Perfect start for a nation of would-be authoritarians... only it ain't Santa watching.

I have to agree with Kem Patrick. This guy is no saint, but if he could really give us the Vice-President, who is all over this - as if counsel for a guy like Cheney has free reign and acts on his own initiative - then gifve this guy a get out of jail free card and let him sing with full orchestral backing.

You have to wander why the tapes exist in the first place.

1. Training videos for new recruits into interrogation methods. But this article mentions this guy gave out cart-fulls of bogus info. It would really be an example of why torture fails.

2. To show the Vice-President and President, Rummy, etc., so that they can watch it and feel like steel-guts cowboy marshals bringing justice to evil-doers. Wouldn't transcripts of interrogation sessions be a safer and easier way to pass on information for the Presidential Brief? There is a morbid hue to why the tapes were made.

Travel Permits info (lobster et al)

Original was in Daily Kos, Mon 17th Sept and was called:
"The Nightmare of DHS´s *Secure Flight* "
Here is a link from that time, including through to official document Federal Registry:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6892

Re: Travel Permits
Excerpt:
"Beginning in February 2008, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) will implement their ¨Advance Passenger Information System (APIS),¨ the gist of which is that you will need permission from the United States Government to travel on any air or sea vessel that goes to, from or through the U.S.

"The travel companies will not be able to issue a boarding pass until you are cleared by DHS. This applies to ALL passengers, US citizens and visitors alike. And how do you get said permission to travel? That´s for your government to know and you to never find out.

Now TSA proposes to do for domestic travel what APIS will do for international routes. That´s what I said: the new TSA rule would require that you obtain PERMISSION to travel within the U.S."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6892

Maybe an honest whistle blower, if Rodrigues performs, can expose the coverup.

I just hope we look back decades from now and say how the hell did we ever sink that low as a country instead of "ah, those were the good old days"

Cross your fingers folks.

Merry Fitzmas! Er, I mean Christmas!!!

Our current President like his father is a CIA officer or a CIA asset. Bush jr. has committed a felony by not revealing his status in the CIA before he ran for political office. It is a violation of the NSA code and the CIA charter for a CIA officer can not run for political officer unless he reveals his status as a covert CIA officer. It is considered treason. Everybody knows his father was the director of the CIA; but no body knows of his sons role in the CIA. Bush Jr. used Operation Mocking Bird, a CIA program that has thousands of media journalist on the pay role of the CIA to help him get elected. Bush Jr used thousands of former CIA officers and military intelligence officers to help him run his campaign. Bush is unelectable. He had to cheat to get elected. He committed treason by using ex-CIA officers and assets to defeat VP AL Gore. He gave democracy a black eye!

If a "false flag" is in the works, Dubya better watch his skinny behind. He's just the big name front man, and a lame duck. Cheney is the insider. Imagine him as the Decider!

The jig might be up for all the world's Bushbots. Better late than never.

I love the way this is shaping up! Rodriguez spills the frijoles, points the finger directly at the White House.

Could 2008 bring us a big carload of justice at last? I'm sure hoping for it. Impeach, impeach, impeach!

One, two, many Watergates. This may be the most criminal administration ever, according to experts such as Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, John Dean, Mario Cuomo, Bruce Fein, Bill Moyers, Greg Palast, and so many others.

Give him immunity. If he gives up Addington, that gives up Cheney and likely Bush and a huge part of his staff.

What he's 'determined to do' is to keep stirring-up this false-flagged Charade (which he probably helped devise as an 'opinion/damage-control', initially -- as only one means for shared Pretense that such limited-torture is 'the Norm', and only-applied to 'the usual suspects' of real-Interest).
The 'reality' is that never-destroyed and actual/common-tapes of multitudes of many less-'interesting suspects' would so-horrify all sane-citizens still left in the US that they'll NEVER be reviewed by any not already made-'Realist' within the ultra-Nationalistic/insane 'community' he slithers-through on a daily basis...

One of the great undiscovered and undiscussed scandals (and there are so many!) of the bush administration is the destruction of documents and evidence of criminal activity.

Post Watergate law prohibits this and I believe it was determined presidential documents belong to the people (us!). But alas, there seems to be no recognition of this by the monarch and his hench(wo)men..... and where is the congress and the courts?

The truth, even when crushed to the ground, shall rise, for the lie cannot live for ever. Martin Luther King

Do we really trust the "House intelligence committee" to have the integrity and competence to perform? Larger things have come and gone, and I expect some noise for a few days/weeks, some insider deals, and perhaps scootery pardons. We can then move on to the next buglaboo, and forget this one.

when people go insane, they usually say: its the drugs.

i believe the washington elite are fed drugs to stay compliant.

do what i say or you dont get the sugar pill!!!

We'll see.

Wonder how long before Rodriguez gets told about his pardon if he shuts up?

I don't believe he's in danger of needing a pardon Kris. I believe he's doing this, not not to save his ass, but to save our country. Hope I'm right about that. He don't have to talk and tell the truth, he's a very smart cookie, I'd be amazed if anyone has anything on him.

edit?

Kem, I hope so, I really do. It just seems every time the cabal seems to be poised for ruin, they pressure everyone into shutting up. Libby is a prime example...Of course, this guy could be the exception, let's hope so.

slaaughter me a bull, comrades!!!!!!!!!! Happy new3 yearss

That is indeed possible CARU. I have personally known several people who got on cocaine. They did NOT care about ANYTHING else. __ When they had it, they were fine, after their high wore off, they were horrible, miserble, a totally dIfferent person, with a personality of a Cheney, and they cared only for the time of day when they could snort another line or two.

Nothing on this planet, their family, their job, heath, their diet, nothing mattered to them whatsoever, except the "White Lady". I have seen a highly respected owner of a four star restaurant, end up living under a bridge in his Cadillac, a broken half mad human, the shell of a once good and successful businessman.

I have seen a young man who had a pro football career end, before he finished college, the once most highly recruited lineman in the country became a homeless bum. He said to me one day, after refusing to take a drug test and having to give up his scholarship, "Kem, I can't help it, cocaine is all I want." One of the saddest days of my life seeing him drive off. The last I heard of him, he was serving a long prison term for dealing drugs.

Many who end up totally broke, out of a job, can't afford the powder anymore, prepared to commit suicide will seek treatment. Those who can afford it, or have ready access to it, don't bother, they have ALL that they desire.

So, if some powerful person in DC has unlimited access to cocaine, and has representatives hooked on it, (and it has been proven that one can be hooked after the first snort), they can easily control those elected. So, CARU, you have a reasonable thought there. A bunch of melowed out Congress persons, who are doing little, except loafing around waiting for their next hit. It may be so. It certainly would not surprise me at all. It's sad to even think it is possible.

edit?

I keep wondering why the press doesn't call these things "The Torture Tapes."

And it is REALLY amusing to still read the line about waterboarding that it is "simulated drowning."

It is NOT simulated drowning. It uses real water, real nostrils, real epiglottis, real lungs, and lungs filled with the water. It is DROWNING, but a possibility of reprieve or resuscitation..

During WW 2, waterboarding was know as the Chinese water TORTURE. Torture is torture and is never to be acceptable for any reason, by any decent human being.

I'm not getting my hopes up. We all thought the Downing Street Memo was going to take this prick down.

I'll second that.

Probably no sheet of paper carries the requisite weight at this stage in the endgame.