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Global Warming Will Save America from the Right ... Eventually
Say what you will about the looming catastrophe facing the world as the pace of global heating and polar melting accelerates. There is a silver lining.
Look at a map of the US.
The area that will by completely inundated by the rising ocean-and not in a century but in the lifetime of my two cats-are the American southeast, including the most populated area of Texas, almost all of Florida, most of Louisiana, and half of Alabama and Mississippi, as well as goodly portions of eastern Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina. While the northeast will also see some coastal flooding, its geography is such that that aside from a few projecting sandbars like Long Island and Cape Cod, the land rises fairly quickly to well above sea level. Sure, Boston, New York and Philadelphia will be threatened, but these are geographically confined areas that could lend themselves to protection by Dutch-style dikes. The West Coast too tends to rise rapidly to well above sea level in most places. Only down in Southern California towards the San Diego area is the ground closer to sea level.
So what we see is that huge swaths of conservative America are set to face a biblical deluge in a few more presidential cycles.
Then there's the matter of the Midwest, which climate experts say is likely to face a permanent condition of unprecedented drought, making the place largely unlivable, and certainly unfarmable. The agribusinesses and conservative farmers that have been growing corn and wheat may be able to stretch out this doomsday scenario by deep well drilling, but west of the Mississippi, the vast Ogallala Aquifer that has allowed for such irrigation is already being tapped out. It will not be replaced.
So again, we will see the decline and depopulation of the nation's vast midsection-noted for its consistent conservatism. Only in the northernmost area, around the Great Lakes (which will be not so great anymore), and along the Canadian border, will there still be enough rain for farming and continued large population concentrations, but those regions, like Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois, are also more liberal in their politics.
Finally, in the Southwest, already parched and stiflingly hot, the rise in energy costs and the soaring temperatures will put an end to right-wing retirement communities like Phoenix, Tucson and Palm Springs. Already the Salton Sea is fading away and putting Palm Springs on notice that the good times are coming to an end. Another right-wing haven soon to be gone.
So the future political map of America is likely to look as different as the much shrunken geographical map, with much of the so-called "red" state region either gone or depopulated.
There is a poetic justice to this of course. It is conservatives who are giving us the candidates who steadfastly refuse to have the nation take steps that could slow the pace of climate change, so it is appropriate that they should bear the brunt of its impact.
The important thing is that we, on the higher ground both actually and figuratively, need to remember that, when they begin their historic migration from their doomed regions, we not give them the keys to the city. They certainly should be offered assistance in their time of need, but we need to keep a firm grip on our political systems, making sure that these guilty throngs who allowed the world to go to hell are gerrymandered into political impotence in their new homes.
There will be much work to be done to help the earth and its residents-human and non-human-survive this man-made catastrophe, and we can't have these future refugee troglodytes, should their personal disasters still fail to make them recognize reality, mucking things up again.
It should be considered acceptable, in this stifling new world, to say, "Shut up. We told you this would happen."
Dave Lindorff is an investigative journalist and columnist. His latest book, co-authored by Barbara Olshansky, is "The Case for Impeachment" (St. Martin's Press, 2006 and now available in paperback, suitable for a last-minute Christmas gift). His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net
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Show AllDave,
Remember that most people just had a good laugh and clicked onward.
Merry Christmas!
P.S. Maybe carbon sequestration will save us.
Dave Lindorff,
Excellent "on the edge" commentary. I enjoyed it immensely. The Deep South is primarily low elevation and imho, an area of low average intellect as well. These Red states are responsible for massive voter fraud which installed oil monkeys in the white house and I think it will be poetic justice when so many "Bush Cheney'' SUV bumper stickers slip beneath the waves. Your piece is a shock jock submission, and it is partly gallows humor and partly sober depiction of a horrible inconvienient truth: We will all soon drown.
Please keep posting controversial writing like this; it must sting to be effective and memorable. (Without Ben Franklins' biting essays under "Ms. Silence DoGood," we might never had shook off the British.
pacplyer
And for MARK ABRAM/DOGSEYES who continue to argue that Global Warming is not real:
Glacial earthquakes rock Greenland ice sheet
12:36 24 March 2006
NewScientist.com news service
Jeff Hecht
A rapid increase in "glacial earthquakes" – caused by sudden large movements of glaciers – over the past few years indicates that warmer temperatures will destroy the Greenland ice sheet faster than expected, a new study warns.
Surface meltwater is not dribbling away, as if from a giant ice block melting slowly, but is seeping through cracks to the bottom of the glacier. Once there it forms a layer that "helps lift the glacier up from the rock" so it flows faster to the sea, says seismologist Göran Ekström at Harvard University, US, who led the study.
He discovered the glacial quakes three years ago, when looking for unusual earthquakes, and traced them to slips within the ice. And the quakes can be substantial: a 10-metre slip of an ice slab roughly the size of Manhattan Island, and as tall as the Empire State building, causes a magnitude-5 quake on the Richter scale.
When the team analysed glacial seismic records back to 1993, they found a striking increase in the number of quakes recorded in recent years. All 136 of the best-documented slips were traced to glaciated valleys draining the main Greenland ice sheet. A handful of others occurred in Alaskan glaciers or on Antarctica.
Ekström reports that quakes ranged from six to 15 per year from 1993 to 2002, then jumped to 20 in 2003, 23 in 2004, and 32 in the first 10 months of 2005 – matching an increase in Greenland temperatures.
Falling apart
The finding adds to evidence that the Greenland ice sheet is far more vulnerable to temperature increases than had been thought. Models that treated glaciers like giant ice cubes had predicted very slow melting. But recent studies of Greenland glaciers have shown much faster effects when meltwater causes glaciers to slip easily over rock.
"Within a few years after temperature warms, you get a big increase in discharge," says Ian Joughin of the polar science center at the University of Washington in Seattle, US. "If temperature rises two or three degrees in Greenland, things are going to start falling apart," Joughin told New Scientist. Antarctica is not as sensitive to rising air temperature because it is too cold for surface melting, which accounts for about half the mass lost from the Greenland ice sheet.
Other ominous news comes from a pair of new studies examining sea level and glaciation 129,000 years ago. This was during the last interglacial period, when the Arctic was as warm as it is expected to be by 2100 – when it is expected to be at least 2.2°C (4°F) warmer than present. Palaeontological evidence, examined by Jonathan Overpeck at the University of Arizona, US, and colleagues, indicates that sea levels were 4 to 6 metres higher than they are today, and some of that water came from melting of the Antarctic ice sheet.
Journal reference: Science (vol 311, pps 1756, 1747, 1751)
I say we skip a step and waterboard the conservatives...after we take their wallets and donate the money to ensure peace and justice...
ticonderoga,
Let me indicate who I think you are dealing with here, ticond. You make some great post by the way. I tend to disagree with this one however. I feel "the powers that be" are not very smart, science grounded, intellectuals imho. They will NOT know what to do (so don't put any more faith in them.) When things get bad, all we should expect to see from them is a repeat of New Orleans: the rich will migrate to survivable areas like a virus. The poor will be shot as "looters" trying to get water and food to drink. These NeoCONs are corporate monopolists, who have built their whole world around the practice of callous manipulation of peoples and resources. Their religion is predatory capitalism. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE THIS WHITE COLLAR CRIME UP. In the short-term (which is all they worry about) denial is more profitable than change. A substantial percentage of these NeoCONs are warmonger "Hawks" who profit from world instability and death.
New Orleans was just a dress rehearsal for the misery we are going to experience in the upcoming years.
More proof that back in early 2006 MSM was ignoring this:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8889&feedId=online-news_rss20
The Little Ice Age was centered primarily around the North Atlantic and had more to do with changes in ocean currents than it had to with overall global warming, and in no way is a valid refutation of the seriousness of the global warming problem.
Lindorff's essay seemed funny enough to me. Is it just a myth that leftists are humorless prudes? Hard to tell…
Some posters seem to believe that global warming is a fraud—a view they share with Rush Limbaugh and Senator James Inhofe—two of the most reactionary right-wing knuckleheads in contemporary America.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_071807/content/01125110.guest.html
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Speeches&ContentRecord_id=dceb518c-802a-23ad-45bf-894a13435a08&Region_id=&Issue_id=
Now just because Rush and Inhofe believe something doesn't make it false, of course, but it might make one pause and consider your scientific sources.
Many of the most powerful banking and corporate interests in the world are opposed to taking any meaningful action to mitigate climate change. Exxon, the world's largest corporation, actively undermines efforts to address global warming. And the most powerful government in the world (and one of the most malevolent and delusion, one might add) is also opposed to doing anything to reverse or even mitigate greenhouse gas emissions, so it's hard to see how this great green conspiracy is gaining so much traction—unless they have the science in their camp.
If you start with your conclusions—that global warming is a "green" conspiracy--and then simply select disparate and often dubious articles or pronouncements to support your conclusions then you are not doing a scientific inquiry; rather you are laboring in the fields of faith and religion. It's precisely the same techniques that the creationists use when they denounce evolutionary theory by selectively quoting snippets of biological research. They then pretend that evolutionary theory is highly controversial among biologists even though that is patent nonsense.
There is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism in regard to global warming. However, the vast majority of scientists in the relevant fields are certain that human induced global warming is indeed occurring.
It is possible, of course, that the increased level of carbon dioxide from human activity is not the actual cause of global warming. Perhaps it is due to changes in solar activity. (Some skeptics advance this explanation.)
However, are climate skeptics really willing to bet the fate of all life on earth that the vast majority of climate scientists are mistaken?
Is Abovetheclutter willing to bet the future of all of us that this is some immense hoax or "green conspiracy"? Are you really so absolutely certain that you—and the tiny minority of scientists who tell you what you want to hear--are correct and all the rest of us are fools? Well, George Bush agrees with you on this one. Doesn't that make you nervous?
What about a minimum of prudence? If a majority of experts are telling you that you are about to drive off a cliff, doesn't it make sense to slow down? Maybe even stop?
It is worth noting that life is capable of making immense changes to the earth—including its atmosphere. Our oxygen atmosphere, in fact, appears to have been engineered by cyanobacteria roughly 2 billion years ago, a transformation that completely and radically changed the history of life on earth.
http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange1/current/lectures/first_billion_years/first_billion_years.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
The best way to study global warming is to look at people who work in the relevant sciences:
Take a look, for example, at the research and career of Paul Crutzen, winner of the 1995 Nobel price in chemistry for his research on ozone depletion. (Or you can cuddle with Rush and Oklahoma Senator James Inhofe—those other experts on climate research who know for certain that it is all an immense fraud.)
http://www.mpch-mainz.mpg.de/~air/crutzen/
Check out three excellent books on climate change that will help anyone grappling with understanding the scientific research. None of them are screeds, and all address areas where scientific research is unclear or contentious:
With Speed and Violence by Fred Pearce
http://www.beacon.org/productdetails.cfm?SKU=8576
The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery
http://www.theweathermakers.com/
Field Notes from a Catastrophe by Elizabeth Kolbert
The last two both reviewed with some criticisms here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/books/review/12zimmer.html
I had no intention of being rude ABOVETHECLUTTER. I just offered a rather obvious opinion. I also said I appreciate your gasoline effecient automobile, sounds good;___ so what?
No, you don't resort to name calling, instead you write as if you are preaching to little kids who are uniformed and not well read and tell me for example to do some research. For your information, this subject and nuclear waste have been my primary subjects since 1975 after reading The Ocean World. BTW, I am certain that everyone here is aware of the banking systems and who controls the money and controls who gets elected and how our elected are functioning,__ but thank you so much for the lessons.
Now re-read your last post, it makes no sense at all. You stated,__ the government wishes to frighten us sheep, with a false global warming issue. That is so far off base, I cannot believe you wrote it. You are funny at times.
If the government was in bed with the scientists who are stating global warming is real, and the most important issue mankind has ever faced, why does our Bush administration state otherwise, and fail to support other governments who wish to attempt to correct it? You cannot have it both ways.
First you deny global warming is a fact, then you say it's our government who is telling us it is a fact. It is NOT our government who is warning us, it's thousands of scientists from every nation on the planet. They do not work for our government, they are not in bed with our government and indeed, instead they are fighting with our government, you incredible bonehead. I am delighted to hear you are finsihed, I am not.
I have not picked my poison and intend to live with it. Unlike you, I believe the global warming problem exists, it may be the end of humanity if it is not ocrrected, and it is primarily caused from burning coal, and vehicle emissions.
I fight it to the best of my aged ability. I write comments here and attempt ot shut people like you off, with insults when appropriate. I print articles such a this, have 500 copies printed and hand them out at coffee shops in three different cities and get into discussions with people who are not imformed. That's about the best I can muster. I don't have the power to control my president, or the bankers who control the money, reqired to initiate a massive program to have clean energy in our country and do it within a few years. ~bye bye~
Whether the above article was meant with ironic intent or not, the fact remains that severe environmental degradation is to be expected in this country, as in nearly every region of the planet. This degradation will cause at least extreme hardship and suffering, if not worse. That, too, is pretty much no longer a matter of debate.
The question facing us is this: will the people of the United States deal with this crisis violently or not?
If violence is resorted to, who will be the main victims of such violence?
May the planet reclaim ALL of humanity! It seems the only way that it will ever survive!
"Shut up. We told you this would happen."
Well, we didn't say that about the Iraq mess and everything else this administration has "accomplished". What makes you think that we'll be so inclined then?
This is one of the most disgusting articles I've ever read on Common Dreams. Aside from guilty conservatives, the migrating masses will include the young, the simple, the propagandized, etc. Is it really "poetic justice" that all these people should suffer for the greed and willful blindness of a few? Grow up, Dave!
North Carolina needs a good cleaning out. Fox news did some good coverage of a pig slaughterhouse where the workers spray painted "kill" on the backs of pigs and laughed as they gouged their eyes out, castrated them without anaesthetic(carried out by men AND women) and the supervisor bragging about beating pigs.
Torture goes on right in your own backyard and if you eat meat, its being done all for you.
Ever since (long before) 9/11/01, the American public has been manipulated by instilling it with a sense of fear and panic. Fear is the mind-killer, after all.
I can't help but wonder what world Lindorff is living in, that he thinks US citizens/residents being displaced by rising seas and pummeling storms will relocate in a quiet, orderly manner which is respectful of the previous occupants of wherever they relocate to.
"[W]e can't have these future refugee troglodytes ... mucking things up again." Dream on!
frankr29:
I'm with you. I was shocked, and it takes a lot to shock me anymore, by this article. Human suffering is not a progressive value. I could have told you about the housing bubble, and the coming economic collapse, but it doesn't make me feel better when it happens. Yuppies have feelings too.
In any case, if the author is correct about half the country being flooded, we'll have bigger things to worry about than elections.
One more post on the Nader thread, and then it's back to work, saving the troglodytes from themselves and the author.
Ramsay
Or maybe it will just be business as usual and what will happen is a word thats been going on my head for a while... apocalypse entrepreneurship. You know, water pipelines from where i live, Quebec, to feed the american midwest agri-business and the occupation of my area to defend against eco-terrorists...
As with kelmer (above), my response to this article was also one of disgust. It joins too many pieces posted on CommonDreams which are essentially on target—and with which I agree in principle—but are deeply incongruent with the "higher ground" the article refers to.
My hope is that Mr. Lindorf (and all of us working for change) strive to bring a spirit to what we do and say that matches what we are trying to achieve. De-humanizing and disparaging others, it seems to me, is a major part of the problem. If we continue to do so, the next era will surely turn out to be a lot like this one.
When I'm serious, I'm not taken seriously, so I guess I should expect people to be angry at this piece...
Okay, Dave. You upset some people. The question for you to ask yourself is whether that's useful.
Dave, I don't know why you wrote "When I'm serious, I'm not taken seriously..." I for one always take you seriously!
However, I'd suggest you forget about using irony. Stephen Colbert you're not, my friend. (Nor is anyone else, for that matter.)
"Shut up. We told you this would happen." Yes indeed, but noooooooo...
celebrity,
I think you don't know how old the human species is. Anthropologists tell us modern homo sapiens are about 200,000 years old and that the human species is around 4.5 million years old. The reason I tell you this is because you can see from this that the "world" has been able to "survive" with the human species living here.
I think you and Agent Smith, from the Matrix, think the human species is a "virus" or "disease" to this planet, which to me is completely ridiculous.
The point being, it's not the human species that is the problem but, it is the system we have invented and have refused to question that is at issue. That system is of course industrial civilzation. Not "ALL" of humanity lives in civilization, there are other ways to live on this planet and live without destroying the community of life on this planet. Proof of that is the "Native Americans". Well, I hope that puts to rest your ridiculous comment to the above article.
Dave___ You need to remember that everyone in a "red" state does not share the views of the conservative fanatics, so do not lump all of them together with those you feel need to be punished. The winner take all election system that should be abolished tends to give people the mistaken notion that everyone in a certain area thinks alike. This leads to divisive thought which we have too much of and should be shut down. There are plenty of rotten ideas that have come out of liberal areas also, but a reasonable person does not think the people there are all responsible either.
Because I know how people are manipulated to think and act through various mechanisms both old and new, I find it inhumane to say that peoples living in various sections of the country deserve hardship. Those of us fortunate enough to deprogram ourselves and recognize how such programming occurs also realize how malicious those prospering from the manipulation are. And those prospering are NOT those who will suffer the effects of climate chaos; those represent less than 1% of USA's populace.
An old story shows why Lindorff is wrong--Gilgamesh--where vindictive, jealous gods wanted humanity's demise because we (paraphrase) Make Too Much Noise--Not much different than we don't think alike. The whole object of McCarthyism and of today's neocons is to regiment thought--to get us to think alike--to become homogenized automaton consumers that don't make any noise. So Dave, you're article is just as bad as those of Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc., and I don't think you want to be included in their ranks. Better to stay on the highground by pointing out why the old Gods are wrong--Remember, Yaweh copied the Gods in Gilgamesh by adopting genocide as a tactic to improve his supposedly perfect creation, and that all three Abrahamic religions accept this story but have yet to learn its lessons.
The time frames now beg the question as to the justification of spending on new investment in all areas which are likely to inundated in the near future. Even all the money gone into restore and repair of New Orleans is a waste. Everything in those areas should be considered as "temporary" accommodation, with long term arrangements being made for migration. If people really understood global warming and its consequences, real estate values in low lying areas, for example in Florida, should be plummeting to zero (not just from current market bubble popping), and State and Federal governments should have already forbid all new developments in such areas. This is because the standard term of a housing mortgage, being approximately one working lifetime, is now within the possible timetable range of drastic sea level rises.
Maybe I'm the only one besides the author who knew from the start that this was an April-fools joke in December. Very amusing and relatively guilt-free pleasure. Thanks Dave.
jerrys: Sooooo....Would you take it literally if I said
"Bite me"?
Apparently Dave L. and I both suffer from being taken literally and seriously.
DAVE LINDORFf,I AM REALLY SURPRISED YOU ARE SUCH AN ASSHOLE.....we coastal dwellers of florida are aware of the inevitable..but we are neither rednecks or bushites.in reality,florida was neutral during the civil war.....was the only place in america where negroes(blacks)were free(see fort mose) and not 'owned'.jeb bush was nothing but a dirty carpetbagger and people similar to me were disenfranchised at the polls.besides,your cock-eyed theories are just plain ignorant and poetic justice would be if a hurricane found its way up your asshole !i am a vetern of the fight against bush,the c.i.a. and all those evil bastards,for all of my life and my parents,before me.look to alaska for your culprit of melting ice..HAARP-HAARP-HAARP-..remember those intials,because that is the real cause of the velocity of the problems.......ask al gore about it .....HE and his buddies have known about it since before 1992......
Actually, on further thought, this topic could be re-tooled into a serious discussion--because in a serious way I think it's correct. Global warming, and other developments, WILL save us from the Right. As a core principle this is due to the fact that the Right is out of step with reality. Is the Right capable of pulling the planet together, without regard for privilege or business interest, to save it? Not on your life, and it's your life we're talking about. What nature and science tell us will eventually erode the Rightwing down to a nub, and finally we'll be rid of it.
I dont know... i dont see the irony? and im not laughing?
Seriously this stuff is giving me the creeps, take a look at where i live, Quebec:
http://geology.com/canada/quebec-map.gif
See all that blue petrol lying around and just waiting for someone to take it? Thats all freshwater... Im just holding out for the news that a terrorist attack happened on Montreal and that the US army is coming over to "help".
I dont know, im losing my sense of humor, i used to laugh alot when i was a teenager and it seems now that i only laugh like a couple of times per month, and its from cats doing crazy shit on youtube, or some witty comment on some ridiculous conspiracy theory video about a reptilian alien race on youtube where someone says "OMG someone call Marc Singer and Micheal Ironside!". Anything not related at all to politics, or the environement.
i dont find stuff as funny as i used to, everything is so fucking creepy. Maybe your piece was funny but im not getting it. So the world is going to shit fast and the chaos is gonna give more ammo to elites manipulating us? Haha heh erhm...
ipenek...what is erroneous and just plain wrong,is the notion that the 'right'live on the coasts or in the south....we ocean dwellers are closer to harmony,than you hard-tailed,snow-capped,land-locked," what will the neighbors_ think?- mentality" landlubbers....
catseyes -- no, global warming, is NOT funny, people inundated out of their homes: not funny; starving to death from crop failure, definitely not funny. Nazi's aren't terribly funny either, but that didn't stop Mel Brooks from composing "Springtime for Hitler."
So laugh a little.
And remember, be good to your parents because they've been good to you. :-)
Sorry. This article combines two premises, that the ocean will rise and that wingnuts will listen to liberals if it does. I'm afraid that the second premise is wacko.
The first premise can assume that the West Antarctic ice sheet, which is already floating on below-sea-level land in its center, will weaken with melting, then collapse and float off year by year, not decade by decade. Estimates of 15 feet of ocean rise are reasonable here.
The problem is, after the ocean rises one foot, who in Nebraska is going to care? Assuming that we eventually hit one foot of ocean rise every January, when the Antarctic melt is worst, will most people care? Will they say, "your dikes are your own problem, I'm in a high state"?
There are two major conservative groups, Bible-thumpers and redneck hellraisers. The Bible Belt folks might finally get that they've ruined their Eden through not caring. The hellraisers will never care unless you convince them that it's in their self-interest to care for the planet.
PaulK__ Don`t liberals have any hellraisers in their group? No wonder they can`t seem to get anywhere, they must be too bored and unhappy to get going. I always wondered what the trouble was and why the conservatives run over the top of them all the time. You do not think Nebraska people will care about flooding on the coasts, but how much have those people cared about the excessive droughts in Nebraska? Human nature to worry about your own problems first, I guess.
Umm ......... the "blue" Pacific Northwest has a lot to be worried about in sea level rise, and we do. When younger, I too thought about survival-scenarios in a simplistic manner like the author of this piece, but learned over the years that we are all sharing the same boat, and the travails of any will ultimately affect the whole crew. Human civilization as it is will probably take quite a blow from Global Warming, and gambling on our somehow muddling though it with anything like our current societal structures remaining intact isn't a good bet.
I'm disappointed in this article. If it was intended to be satire, or at least slightly tongue in cheek, it still didn't have a point. Global warming affects us all and the whole planet. Encouraging further division between Americans helps not one bit. We must unite to confront this issue. Did any of you find any satisfaction at all in having the right to say "I told you so" after the Iraq war turned out to be the disaster we predicted? I certainly didn't, because hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) are now dead, and the world is even closer to catastrophe. The same with global warming: we must unite to fight it, and all of us will have to make some sacrifices. I am very tired of the smug self-righteousness of some on the American left, the suburban leftist types that feel so morally superior to poor, uneducated whites that often vote Republican without trying to understand their point of view. The ideal world of the future that I envision has less division and more compassion.
Honestly, poetic justice? That is how you would characterize the tragedy that is to befall this world? That is unfortunate.
No one seems to care about Banglidesh or the genocides in Africa but look out if there is any mention of bad stuff that could happen to a 'Merican.
john freeman,that is not true...i wrote letter after letter to every congressman,govenor,senator,george w. bush.george hw bush,arnold swar....nancy pelosi....etc..etc...warning them off genocide...they are isolated war-mongering pieces of shit.and could not care less what the 'people think.i care very deeply for the people of this world...but americans are shouldering the sins of an evil few,who have run amok and they do not represent us anymore than they resemble jesus christ !!
What the author failed to address is, that by the time the serious flooding begins, there won't be anyone here to see it happen, much less begin building dikes.
We had lunch with a dike and her friend last week as a matter of fact, a swell English professor. Which is far off of the subject.
When the methane gas which has been trapped in the Arctic perma-frost for the past five million years or so escapes into our atmosphere, we are all gonna be dead, moms dads, their house pets and their children. That may happen within five years, it's not a joke or a so called left wing "sky is falling" comment. It's happening now.
In addition, the acidity of our ocean's from man made pollution, burning coal, DU and other deadly atomic wastes, chemicals, dumping garbage into the oceans, etc, is killing off the microscopic phytoplankton. Those tiny plants produce most of the ozygen in our atmosphere. If that continues we may, once again, all die within a few as five years, even if the methane gas hasn't suffocated us,___ because we just don't have enough bottled oxygen to go around.
Google arctic methane gas, after readng the articles provided, Google phytoplankton.
Here is just one, http://whyplankton.com/
Of course that link is also full of ads for buying phytoplankton pills. Which are actually very good for us. However the two very brief paragraphs, which any seven year old could read in less than a minute and fully understand, tells why those tiny plants are vital for all life and were written by highly qualified scientists, who fully appreciate the serioudness of the problem.
The clues of the problems are clearly obvious and if all governments don't address it now, not next year or 2009, (now), we will ALL die, not just the ones who currently live near the sea shore. Not my opinions, it's the opinions of over 2,000 scientists who have spent their entire adult lives studying the issue and are not giving dire warnings to make money.
What I find to be ironic is, I do believe that the very few powers of the world, those who control the world's wealth, and therefore control the elections in much of the world, do indeed wish to see genocide.
There is little argument by most who post here, that over-population is the major problem of this planet. You can be assured, that the powers who be agree and they are attempting to insure there are few left. Once they have taken full control, the Jews, the Arabs and people of color other than white, are going to be eradicated. They'll save some doctors scientists and good looking gals.
Ironic? By the steps the powerful have taken to insure global warming and the acidity buildup of our oceans continue unabatted, they are also insurng their own demise. Even if they could manage to construct a huge biosphere, they wold have to live in it for a hundred thousand years or so.
Am I babbling? ___ I don't believe so, reality is just that,__ reality. What is occurring is plainly obvious.
Well, before that happens I see worse things happening to the hard-headed greed driven types who can't understand science very well. What do you suppose other countries will do when the US continues to pollute putting the whole world in jeopardy? I would think they might do something besides sit on their hands. One can use the imagination here.
I agree with the writer. The greed driven hard headed types are going to need to be knee deep in flood water to get what's going on. Even then they may not get it. The blue states need to be made of sterner stuff. Let greed driven folks in to take over and destroy where we live? hmm. Let me think about that one.
this is a hardnosed bunch of ignorance..shankari,.why the hell do you imagine,it would be the "greed-driven" bunch who would be knee-deep in water?they will not.the "greed-driven" bunch reside on "the HILL"and out of harm's way of the floods....the postings here are as abrasive and as stupid as this lindorff-article.
So that idiot perino was right, something good will happen because of global warming....or was that the missle crisis thing?
Well for one thing I agree with here SERAPHICMOM, you sure do post some stupid opinions, see you have done the same on other threads with some today. You cetainly come across as one of those new ones who wishes to get a row goin and detract from the opinions expresed by others. ___ What cute handle have you used here previously?
kem patrick,are you also of the opinion,that it will be the "greed driven"that the water's will rise on ? do you also think that the extreme 'right'all reside on the coasts ??kem patrick,it rains on the just and the unjust....but the unjust,got all the umbrellas...................
They are going to need oxygen, the umbrellas won't help. What I and SHANKAN were attempting to say is, they are not just killing the ones they consider to be worthless, they are committing suicide.
First, as others have pointed out, this is a worst-case scenario/satire piece.
Second, global warming probably will save us, although hopefully not in the manner predicted by Lindorf. It will save us because the powers-that-be aren't stupid and know damn well that humanity is in serious danger because of global warming, despite their protestations to the contrary. And they know also that something must be done about it, so they will do something about it, because a business cannot remain profitable if it kills off its customers. And politics is a business and the middle class and poor are its customers.
So the politicians will end the war in Iraq and also do something about global warming because they know that if they do not they will go bankrupt, not because we get out in the streets and protest or write articles on Common Dreams or because they're nice guys and have consciences.
They know what to do, they just don't know how to do it yet. The real question is, will they figure out how to do it in time?
Well, in spite of all the outrage, I think this is funny, in an ironic, sarcastic sort of way. Makes me think of a revenge fantasy.
Would progressives actually do what Dave suggests? I doubt it. We, by nature, are humanitarian.
K.P., let us hope so........my problem with this article and a few of the posts,here.............is that it seems to assume that everyone in a 'red' state is 'bad' and everyone in a 'blue' state is 'good'.......,there seems to be a good amount of lumping and misplaced bigotry... and ticonderoga,true,but naive..there are a billion customers(consumers)in china,that would be glad to take our place.i think the "elite"of this world would be content with a few less 'worshippers'......less mouths to feed...less water to share.....etc... americans are infamous for being ornery non-conformists and spoiled super-consumers in other words,a pain in the ass to those who would be kings !!THE REAL culprits of global warming,are those that would be kings..with their H.A.A.R.P. program,their rape of the rainforests...cell phone towers, satellites,all their many ventures with ELECTROMAGNETICS,and their insatiable,bottomless greed for ever more control,power and money......they,the top 5 percent of this world are the 'TRUE' culprits responsible for the velocity and expansive growth of global warming.....we are only guilty of using and consuming that which they have made.
Dummest thing I ever read. Where does he think the people will go?
To New York where they instantly become liberal? More likely they will take their forced migration as akin to the Jews marching into the promised land - for themselves and their God.
(And no they won't begin to suspect that global warming has anything but a divine cause.)
Personally, I'll take Lindorff's word for it (tongue in cheek or not) before I'd buy into Kem Patrick's monomaniacal bullshit any day of the week. I wouldn't want to face the future with a boatload of progressives any more than one full of red staters, rednecks, neocons, neoliberals, etc.etc.etc. even if the seas don't rise, your going to need more than a set of high waders to stay abreast of the bullshit that passes for dialogue in this doomed and demented country.