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Hillary as Hawk
When Senator Hillary Clinton voted on October 11, 2002, to turn over to President George W. Bush the power that the Constitution vested in her and congressional colleagues to decide whether or not to wage war - or, quoting House Joint Resolution 114, whether an attack on Iraq was "necessary and appropriate" - she appeared to have a conflict of interest:
Her husband, Bill, was of course the former chief of the executive branch. And during her eight years as first lady, Mrs. Clinton never objected to Bill's eight wars, attacks, or interventions: in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Colombia, Haiti, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, and Yugoslavia. He bombed Iraq in 1993 soon after taking office, again in 1996, and from 1998 till he left office. For a time, he was dropping bombs on Iraqis and Yugoslavs simultaneously in 1999.
None of those acts of war were authorized by Congress. The House of Representatives even voted its opposition to the undeclared bombing war on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, i.e. Serbia and Montenegro (4-28-99). Bill paid no attention and carried on his one-sided warfare for eleven weeks.
Mrs. Clinton had been instrumental in persuading Bill to attack Yugoslavia, according to multiple writers. Biographer Gail Sheehy wrote in "Hillary's Choice" (p. 345): "On March 21, 1999, Hillary expressed her views by phone to the president. 'I urged him to bomb [Yugoslavia].' " Bill was indecisive. She invoked the Holocaust, alluding to claims of mass killings by Milosovic and his men, and asked, "What do we have NATO for if not to defend our way of life?" (Originally it was to defend western Europe against a possible Soviet attack.) Days later the president gave the go-ahead for war, thereby usurping the constitutional prerogative of Congress.
The Milosovic-massacre tale (which Senator Clinton repeated in her 2002 Senate speech) was subsequently debunked by several European pathological teams. The Clinton-NATO air raids, however, killed a couple of thousand civilians. A year later Amnesty International charged that international law was violated by indiscriminate bombings.
Calls aggression defense
Speaking in behalf of the Iraq war resolution Senator Clinton praised her husband's bombing of Iraq and argued that "undisputed" facts linked Saddam Hussein to weapons of mass destruction, including a nuclear weapons program, and to ties to Al-Qaeda. But such a contention was indeed disputed by facts presented by the International Atomic Energy Agency, the Knight Ridder newspaper chain, buried stories in the leading papers, and many Internet sites. She denied that the resolution amounted to a rush to war, though it came from the White House, which had already decided to wage war on Iraq.
When Bush invaded Iraq in March 2003, Senator Clinton called it defense. Even after the supposed facts about WMD and terrorist ties were exposed as monstrous lies, the senator defended her vote for war, never renouncing it. She claimed it was just to support negotiation, but the resolution said nothing about negotiation. And she claimed she had been given incorrect intelligence, but cited no details. She opposed any timetable for withdrawal and advocated more troops and permanent U.S. bases in Iraq.
As of last September, that supposed defensive war was estimated, by the British polling agency Opinion Research Business, to have taken 1.2 million Iraqi lives.
Even if the lies she fell for had been proven true, the senator's lack of concern for international law would still stand revealed. The Charter of the United Nations, which as a U.S. treaty has the force of law, says (in Article 2): "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state...."
The North Atlantic Treaty - the basis for the organization that Bill Clinton, with his wife's encouragement, perverted from a defensive to an aggressive force - echoes that principle (in Article 1): "The Parties undertake ... to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."
Furthermore, before there was a UN or a NATO, there was the Kellogg-Briand Peace Pact of 1928, renouncing war as an instrument of national policy. It was used to convict Nazis of crimes against peace, and it remains in effect as a U.S. treaty.
Threatens Iran and others
Just as Senator Clinton accepted Bush and Cheney's fiction about danger from Iraq and supported the 2003 aggression against that country, she tends to accept their drive for an encore against Iran. At Princeton University in January 2006, she said, "A nuclear Iran is a danger to Israel, its neighbors and beyond. The regime's pro-terrorist, anti-American and anti-Israel rhetoric only underscores the urgency of the threat it poses."
In her own, anti-Iranian rhetoric, she threatened a nation that had not attacked anyone for centuries and that - U.S. intelligence now states - had given up its atomic bomb program three years earlier: "We cannot take any option off the table in sending a clear message to the current leadership of Iran -- that they will not be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons." Three months later, Bush used nearly the same expression when asked if he planned a nuclear attack on that country: "All options are on the table" (AP, 4-8-06).
Last September 26, Senator Clinton voted for a Senate resolution urging Bush to designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, a major branch of the Iranian armed forces, as a foreign terrorist organization. She has echoed the proofless Bush charges of support for Iraqi insurgents (mostly Sunni) by Iran (Shiite).
She has refused to rule out presidential use of nuclear weapons, notwithstanding the 1996 World Court ruling that use of the weapons violates international humanitarian law because they blindly strike civilians and military targets alike. And she voted to end restrictions on countries violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Senator Clinton has called for more toughness on Syria and leftist regimes in Latin America, supported arms and training for various repressive dictatorships, opposed bans on land mines and cluster-bomb exports, and advocated even more military spending than Bush requested. More contributions from war contractors have reached Hillary for President than any competing campaign.
The senator boasts of her experience. She is indeed experienced in jumping to bellicose conclusions on the basis of meager facts and false information. If she wins, I expect her to follow the pattern of husband Bill in shooting from the hip in actions abroad, to ignore both the Constitution and international law, and to try to prove that a woman president can be just as warlike as any man.
Paul W. Lovinger, of San Francisco, has been a journalist, author, and antiwar activist. He was a newspaper reporter and columnist for over 20 years. His last published book was "The Penguin Dictionary of American English Usage and Style."

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Show AllHillary, the First Empress of the United States of Israel will take care of the poor american people. She will see to it that their taxes will spent on the "issues" i.e. paying back all those generous donors to her campaign, which will be good for america. let's face it, if the rich can't continue to squeeze the poor to get wealthier, then what good is a democracy?
ANARCHY REIGNS, most americans don't realize it yet. When we as a people are willing to demand and exact true justice and freedom, only then will our Lords and Kings go blind from the bright light of freedom.
In all fairness, only 23 Senators voted against use of force October 11, 2002 Paul Wellstone being of the 23. Then again, Wellstone also voted in favor of military use in Operation Restore Hope in Somalia (1992), Operation Uphold Democracy in Haiti (1994), Operation Deliberate Force in Bosnia and Herzegovina (1995), Operation Desert Fox in Iraq (1998) and Operation Allied Force in Yugoslavia (1999).
Nonetheless, I do understand Lovinger's underlining message in his last paragraph about a woman having to prove she can fight just as well as a man. A woman leader must prove herself strong willed and tough. Whereas a man doesn't need to spend much time convincing the choir. Look to George Bush's military record as an example. He could be an AWOL, spoiled frat boy and still be portrayed as a leader among men. But the first sign of weakness in a woman and that would be her end -or at least that's the fear. Far too many people out there expect women to be "ladies" and "good girls" who shouldn't be left to do a man's job. Hell, people might vote for her on that one principle.
I can hear it now,
"At least she's not a bed-wetting liberal or a two-faced card sharp who thinks he's better than the rest of us."
Tell me, does anyone know if Hillary Clinton drinks beer? That image might work out to her advantage. Drinking beer eating, sunflower seeds and watching spring training. Baseball and beer. Or is that un-lady like??
Clinton knows that if she wants "centrist" votes she has to feed the ordinary voters' lust for vengeance and appetite for war. A country that believes it has a divine mission to dominate the world isn't going to elect a president who believes in mutual respect between different cultures, diplomacy and international cooperation.
By the way, lest anyone feel compelled to bitch about my crediting Kucinich with "integrity", given his history of bending over and supporting the party nominee-- yeah, there is that.
But I'm hoping that he's learned enough from that lapse not to let it happen again. If I'm wrong, and he does, I'll tear my write-in ballot into little pieces.
As with the victim in "Murder on the Orient Express", there exists a multiplicity of motives (reasons) to wish Senator Clinton gone. Her defenders, with the zealousness of a partisan in heat, will accuse detractors of misogyny, hatred-by-association, etc. All of these varieties of Hillaryphobia exist, so the defenders aren't wrong. But piecing off anti-Clintonites one pigeonhole at a time has the distorting effect of equivalency-- any one reason for rejecting Senator Clinton is just as bad as any other, in the eyes of her supporters.
For me, the hawkishness is the worst. It is truly a Mark of Cain, an atavistic curse on the US body politic, that We the People supposedly demand a Daddy-in-Chief who will be a fierce and effective warlord to defend the nation/family against threats, enemies, and conquest. Conquest!
It's a curse, all right-- just consider that this rancid, self-confirming meme is sufficient to mortally wound the political career of persons of true intellect, character, probity, and integrity, e.g. Dennis Kucinich. He believes, soberly but passionately, in peace. I believe that he would be able to prosecute a war in uttermost need, but in that extremity he would resemble a sorrowful and grieving Lincoln-- no stuffed-codpiece flight suits and strutting for a real statesman.
And in this globally-warmed age, where presidential campaigns swell to a vast, humid intolerably overlong springtime of possibilities, conventional candidates are obliged to enthusiastically expose their War Boners, and affirm the above-cited perceived demand of We the Mob that they'll swing that thang the first chance they get.
Senator Clinton has the additional burden of not only showing that she has as big a War Boner as any candidate, but that she can swing it straighter and harder than the competition-- even though she's a girl. She must capture that all-important alpha male troglodyte bloc!
Clinton's "It Takes a Village" compassionate mommyhood notwithstanding, I'm not trying to suggest that she's only pretending to be belligerent. I think she really does have the biggest War Boner of the bunch, etc. Moreover, she's already a sweetheart of the military-corporate complex; no doubt she'll pander to the shibboleth of maintaining a Strong Defense to fight a smart Global War on Terror.
No use saying this to those programmed to vote Democrat no matter what, but... guys... Clinton really isn't a lesser evil... just different.
One of the silliest things I keep hearing is this bizarre notion that progressives should vote for a Dem candidate that doesn't believe in anything they believe in, but then somehow expect that they can make this Dem candidate govern differently after the election.
There are several major flaws in this idea.
-- Its before the election that progressives might have some influence on the positions of a Dem. After the election, the Dem already has the progressive votes and is in office. In such a case, the elected Dem won't listen to a word from progessives until about 3 years later when the Dem is starting to think about the next campaign.
-- Its all about money. Hillary doesn't take these issues for giggles and laughs. She takes them because this is what the money behind her campaign wants. Its an amazingly bizarre fantasy to expect a Dem who just got elected with the support of this money, and who would be counting on this money for re-election, to then turn around and do the opposite of what the contributors want.
If you vote for a pro-war, pro-corporate Dem, you are certain to get a pro-war, pro-corporate government. If you want something different, don't vote Democrat!
Thebigkate - Why in the world would progressive Democrats support a bellicose candidate like Hillary Clinton when we have so many good alternatives?
Most Democrats are not progressive. Combine that with the RW bias of the MSM, and the influence of red states on the Democratic nomination, and Hillary's position in the polls isn't that surprising.
And one key thing to realize is that the Democratic Party has almost never been an anti-war party. The only exception to this is the last few years of the Vietnam war. That's the only time in history that the Dem party has opposed war.
The Dems have been fully supportive of every war since at least WWI. Most of those were declared and fought by Dem presidents and with the full support of a Dem majority in Congress.
What puzzles me is why on earth so many people seem to think that the Dems are a natural home for an anti-war movement? Its just a mirage created by the aberation of those few years at the end of the Vietnam war when the Democrats actually did oppose a war.
Why is this a surprise..... that Hillary's worldview is sympathetic to Zionist militancy? She is a senator from New York.... and that means, New York City and New York City money. Rosner, the Zionist reporter in Washington DC who with great fanfare rates the candidates by who is "best for Israel" (not by "best for the US"!), rates Hillary #1. She is Sen. Lieberman's stand-in for ultimate Israeli influence in the US power structure.
a fine bunch of "progressives." dear abby is more politically astute than the whole lot.
imagine what she'd say to a woman who writes "he's a drunk and an abuser, but after we're married with kids i just know he'll change."
One thing I'd like to understand, and if by "hawk" the discussion is focused on the current Middle East debacle, or militarism in general?
I think one of the issues that must be dealt with is what a proper and logical level of military readiness that must be in place to keep the peace. A nation can't just unilaterally disarm and expect peace to wash over us like a warm breeze. Nice to think about, but very unlikely to happen.
Perhaps I'm out of school here, but I'm not real keen on the idea of a full military stand-down under any circumstances. That would not foster peace, in my humble opinion. History has lessons here.
Realistically speaking, being an experienced politician should confer no bragging rights. At least not in the modern age.
Undoubtedly, King George II grew up in an extraordinarily political environment. Father was director of CIA, VP, and a War President. And did all those connections and chances for mentoring turn him into the best president in recent memory? Or perhaps among the worst in American history?
Experienced and politician seems to evoke good lying capabilities, good at taking money, good at doing all of this and selling it to the people as being in their best interest as well.
Killary Klingon leading the Empire to GLORY
I'm going to vote for the Dem nominee no matter who it is, but I hope it is Kucinich, Obama, Edwards, or Hillary (in that order).
Once the Dem nominee is in the White House (after working my butt off to get him/her elected), then I will continue to pressure the new President to support progressive reforms and policies.
Democracy doesn't begin with campaigns and end with elections.
Get involved!
Already they're talking about the election being "close." And:
Voting Machines Don't Measure Up in Colorado
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/121807N.shtml
Ohio Elections Official Calls Machines Flawed
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/121707E.shtml
And, Ron Paul is going to syphon off some of the Democratic votes!
What are we going to do???!!!
Hillary has spent her whole life making herself into the thing she is – conniving, opportunistic, and cunning. She'll say anything, do anything …to get elected.
Nathan,
Why do you support Democrats who support the war? They're not going to pay any more attention to you once they make it to office. Try giving Independent candidates a look if not a vote. Democracy isn't about choosing between the same two evils with just their party label differences. It's about choosing from a wider variety that which you truly believe is best for you and the nation.
K U C I N I C H
http://www.dennis4president.com/go/issues/
Hillary is a war candidate.
With the Iraq War as unpopular as it is, and escalation with Iran even more unpopular, there is no rational basis for the level of support she is enjoying among Democrats.
Why in the world would progressive Democrats support a bellicose candidate like Hillary Clinton when we have so many good alternatives? Yes, every one of the other candidates--including Mike Gravel--are more interested in diplomacy than in bombing!
It will be difficult to vote for Hillary, because of her militaristic views, if she is the nominee. A third party may be an option, even if that gives the Republicans a better chance! I think she is that polarizing and destructive in the eyes of many of us!
Vote Demok if you want to preserve the evil empire. Vote progressive third parties if you want to finally put the empire out of its misery.
What on earth do the Dems think they are doing? They are about to nominate a candidate who will surely demoralize their own base and will surely enegize the opposition.
Does this sound like a winning formula? And more important, does Hillary sound like someone we would want to win?
It seems to me that the fix is in! If Hillary wins the warfare state wins and if Hillary loses the warfare state wins as well.
To the good people of Iowa and New Hampshire: Caucus and Primary are coming soon. Please send Hillary Clinton (and her sleazeball husband) packing.
It is absurd to think if Hillary as anything but a crafted product of our brave new world. She is beyond miles from Eleanor Roosevelt who had both a deep heart and a tremendous mind -- a capacity for bigger life for everyone. Hillary is simply the candidate of a brave new world.
Hillary is not a dem any more than Joe Lieberman is a dem, or her husband Bill for that matter. She is not going to win in Iowa, nor is she going to get the party nomination. Edwards is going to win in Iowa, and will go forward to the other primaries with the wind at his back. My best guess is that he will choose Barack as his running mate for '08, unless Kucinich starts doing much better in the polls than he is now. Isuggest that we rally around all of our progressive candidates, like Edwards and Kucinich, and leave the Clintons to the dust bin of history. I have grown very weary of late of the Texas/Arkansas mafia.
America's heroin is ass kicking. This is how America and Americans really get off. Gang up on somebody and kick the shit out of him. America under George Wanker Bush has become nothing more than the global embodiment of Travis Bickle, the Robert DeNiro character in "Taxi Driver", standing in front of a full length mirror wearing two Dirty Harry handguns under each armpit and saying to his reflection, "You talkin' to me?" And Hillary Clinton is nothing more than Travis Bickle with tits.
Nathan,
I agree with your philosophy. Whether we like it or not, we have a two party system. There are no other real choices. So, I also intend to work my ass off for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, because he or she will be a hell of a lot better than the Republican nominee. And then, like you, I will work hard to influence the new government to be as progressive as possible.
This way, I see the most results for my hard work. I wouldn't waste time on a fringe candidate because I don't have a lot of time, and I have to get the most bang for my buck. I hope Kucinich rounds up a lot of the far left liberals and convinces them to help bring the country back towards the left. The alternative is frightening.
I don't know if many of you saw Huckabee's Christmas tv ad, with a glowing white cross in the background, but it is truly frightening. I don't like the idea of a theocratic state. He's the most popular Republican. I'm gonna fight like hell to make sure it doesn't happen.
Myrtle wrote:
Ohio Elections Official Calls Machines Flawed
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/121707E.shtml
LMAO. Reading between the lines, this means that the machines are working correctly.
Lovinger claims:
"The Milosovic-massacre tale (which Senator Clinton repeated in her 2002 Senate speech) was subsequently debunked by several European pathological teams. The Clinton-NATO air raids, however, killed a couple of thousand civilians."
Serbian forces controlled or supported by Milosevic had killed tens of thousands in Bosnia and Croatia before the campaign of terrorism and ethnic cleansing moved on to Kosovo. There were many massacres throughout Yugoslavia. Some people claim that the Racak incident, which provoked NATO's ultimatum to Milosevic, had been "debunked", but that is just a lie. It's not clear whether some of the victims at Racak had been resisting their Serbian military attackers. What is clear is that the village was ruthlessly attacked.
The NATO bombing killed 500 civilians, according to Human Rights Watch. If NATO had not intervened, based on the events elsewhere in Yugoslavia, it is likely that tens of thousands would have died, mostly Albanian Kosovars at the hands of Serbs, but probably also many Serbian Kosovars. The brutality of the Serbian forces in expelling hundreds of thousands of Albanian Kosovars attests to this.
DO YOUR OWN READING:
http://hrw.org/campaigns/kosovo98/index.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C4%8Dak_incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War
Just saw Hillary's new ad bragging about how she found a way to bring health care to some small neglected group of people. "And now they all have ACCESS TO health care," she grins so proudly. That is BUSH's phrase---ACCESS to health care, meaning, you can see a doctor as long as you have the money to pay for his second boat. DITCH THE BITCH and vote Kucinich....
thedeed - Whether we like it or not, we have a two party system. There are no other real choices. So, I also intend to work my ass off for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, because he or she will be a hell of a lot better than the Republican nominee.
What you seem to be forgetting is that we've already tried *lesser evil* Democrats like Hillary, and every single time they turned out to be as bad - if not worse - than a Republican. Bill Clinton in fact did more to empower the GOP than many Republican Presidents, and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have done nothing but roll over for Bush since they took over the leadership of Congress. Actually, I think the only people still crying *lesser evil* at this point are Southern Democrats, who are still ticked off that the GOP stole the conservative party label.
Quark,
So, you advocate voting Republican. You suggest Democrats are "worse" than Republicans. During Clinton we had no war for 8 years, he worked for and signed into law the "Roadless Areas" wilderness protection, we paid down the national debt, and we had economic good times. And we raised taxes on the rich. That's what I want.
Many of you read articles by Stephan Zunes on Common Dreams. He was on KPFA again today. If you want to hear an in-depth analysis by Professor Zunes on Hillary Clinton, please go to www.againstthegrain.org and listen to today's (DEC.19ths) show. You will not regret it.
Nathan Andover writes:
"I'm going to vote for the Dem nominee no matter who it is, but I hope it is Kucinich, Obama, Edwards, or Hillary (in that order)."
He then hopes that we can move them towards progressive issues. ???
Can you really imagine pushing Hillary towards anything progressive? She is a hawk and always will be. I just won't vote if she is the nominee. My conscience can't vote for a war hawk on Iraq and now Iran. I am sick of my country and its crimes corruptions.
Seems to me the only real political choice we have is how we want to die, quickly or slowly.
PDF,
Unfortunately, you are absolutely correct. The richest nation is a target, and there are bad people in the world. To think otherwise would be childish stupidity.
BUT. The magnitude of that threat is so miniscule compared to the perception that is mercilessly advanced by those with a stake in the glory and profits, it is certainly much closer to zero threat than to the commonly accepted wisdom especially of the upper class.
Another point is there are current examples of very affluent societies with essentially zero defense spending. Germany, Japan, Norway, Switzerland. I'm sort of winging it on that list, don't know for sure. But, anyway, some or all of those countries are doing very very well and have cut a path that has them almost entirely out of the defense business.
A final point is that there are not many examples of a great and powerful nation choosing a benevolent approach as default rather than an aggressive and cynical approach. Perhaps this is because aggressiveness is required to scale the hill to the top in the first place.
But, I think we should have a healthy debate about whether constant aggression and agitation is best for national security or whether the other extreme would be more safe.
Clinton bombed Iraq mercilessly, and bombed Sudan, Bosnia, Serbia, Somalia, +. We staged Iraqi operations from Saudi Arabia and I think a very strong case can be made that this explains 9/11.
Generally, it seems quite evident that violence breeds violence. This is true at every level of human interaction, from the interpersonal to the family to the neighborhood, outward to nations. So, there's a gravitational pull toward retribution when violence is the tool.
Surely you would not argue that the US has a defensive posture with its "defense" industry.
PDF,
I just looked it up for kicks.
Iceland is in the top ten in GDP per capita wordlwide, not far off US pace, and spends $0.00 per capita on defense.
Ireland spends about $117 per capita on defense compared to $935 per capita in the US. Yet, both are nearly equal in GDP per capita at about $40 - $45K.
Two small island nations, to be sure. Japan and Norway each spend one third less per capita on defense but are also roughly comparable in GDP per capita.
Of course, GDP per capita is in itself very misleading. What we should compare is median income. Using that metric, I'm afraid the picture would be quite stark for the US, showing us to pop as a warring nation with glaring social inequities relative to other developed nations.
With 4% of the worlds population, the US spends more on its war machine than all the other nations of the world combined. We also export more weaponry than anybody, in fact it is our biggest export. Our defense department has nothing to do with defense, and everything to do with international diplomacy by other means. Empire is very expensive! And guess what - WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!
I'd vote for Kucinich, probably Edwards, maybe Obama, but definitely not Clinton.
peaceman
Excellent interview! http://www.againstthegrain.org/AtG%202007.12.18_Hillary%20&%20Working%20Women.mp3
I wasn't going to vote for her on any account anyway, but this discussion is very revealing of Hillary's willingness to conduct war, has been since Iraq and as willing to invade Iran.
You'd better believe that if elected, she would pardon anybody in the Bush administration who is found guilty by any American court of crimes. She also supports the "invasion of the Hague" by the American military if any of the Bush administration were held there for prosecution.
America does NOT need Hillary Clinton as its next president.
anney
I'm glad you listened to it and found more information than is written in the articles. Hearing people converse is sometimes better than reading. I've listened to Zunes many times over the years plus I read his work.
I agree with you anney about Hillary Clinton. She is one of the Bush "enablers" that votes for the 'coward-in-chief's agenda.. I'm still set on Kucinich.
Anyway, go to www.kpfa.org and click on the program link on top and scroll down and look at some of the programs. The past shows are archived, so click on when you select a show. "Living Room" with Kris is good, "Visionary Activist" with Caroline Casey ( I've been literally begging Siouxrose to listen to her) is good, "Guns and Butter" is very good, and "The Morning Show" with Philip Moldari is very good. None of them pander to the Democrats, either.
Mirf59 ~ Good thoughts, and it's not that I don't disagree with the concept, but the reality of the situation is that if a global conflict from some rogue nation reared it's head, I'm not sure that any country on Earth is going to look to Ireland for military leadership. No disrespect to the land of my ancestors, but if we have to face a WWII type threat, which is not at all inconceivable in my mind, I would not want to put the fate of my country in the hands of any unprepared or unwilling nation or consortium of nations. It is firmly in the realm of guns vs. butter here, but no matter what our personal desire, it's not ALL guns and it's not ALL butter.
The reality is we cannot simply drop our military spending to zero and hope for the best. Global peace and tranquility sounds very, very nice and something that theoretically could be achieved ~ but it does not take an experienced chess player to know what happens when you leave your defenses open. You lose every single time.
My approach is for a "carrot and stick" approach whereby you lead with a carrot, and resort to a stick. Peaceful cooperation and mutual aid begets carrots, and hostility and aggression begets the stick.
But in my model, if you consciously decide to throw away your stick, then you'll soon run out of carrots.
PDF,
I don't disagree with you philosophically. I just think maybe we have a lingering difference in interpreting the data.
When I see that we spend 3x or more per capita on defense relative to peer nations, that cries out for attention. As noted above, if we had the figures against median income it would be really out of whack.
OK, I just saw a figure of $26,000 in 2006 for median income per worker for the US. Note, however, that GDP per capita is $45,000 or so.
Since the GDP per capita includes the entire population, including all non-working children and senior citizens, to compare to meidan income per worker we really need to have GDP per worker.
Total employment is currently 146,700,000 according to the Feds -- or about half the population. So, GDP per worker in the US is currently about $90,000 -- double the GDP per capita.
Who is pocketing the difference between GDP per worker at $90,000 and median income per worker at $26,000 -- a shocking difference?
Anyway, I digress.
Basic point -- we are a nation of some 300,000,000. If we spend $330 per capita on defense as opposed to $990 per capita -- we will still be in a leading position relative to smaller nations such as Ireland or even Japan.
Of course, we would no longer be in a leading position relative to China, India, or other more populous nations. But, we have very positive relationships with both China and India. China's economy relies crucially on the US and they own a lot of our debt. And China is clearly a highly rational player.
So, if we are interested in offense -- aggressively advancing our unilateral position against all challenges, our current level of spending makes sense. If we are interested in defense only, we should be happy to be on par with other large, rational nations with which we have healthy relationships.
The argument that I have heard that might make some sense is that military spending is a substitute for the eroded manufacturing base. If that is so, we are playing a dangerous game of delaying the payment of a bill that will come due at some point -- either by economic downturn or an the barrel of a gun from some group of nations that has had it with our belligerence.
MIKE BIN SC says, "Empire is very expensive! And guess what - WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!" And we haven't seen the full karmic blowback bill yet!
MORDECHAI: Excellent satire.
LITTLE BROTHER: Right on posting on this thirst for militarism as mark of power (albeit misused). I term the phenomenon "Mars rules" and there is so much evidence to support that stellar thesis!