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Oceans' Growing Acidity Alarms Scientists
WASHINGTON - Seven hundred miles west of Seattle in the Pacific at Ocean Station Papa, a first-of-its-kind buoy is anchored to monitor a looming environmental catastrophe.
Forget about sea levels rising as glaciers and polar ice melt, and increasing water temperatures affecting global weather patterns. As the oceans absorb more and more carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, they're gradually becoming more acidic.
And some scientists fear that the change may be irreversible.
At risk are sea creatures up and down the food chain, from the tiniest phytoplankton and zooplankton to whales, from squid to salmon to crabs, coral, oysters and clams.
The oceans are already 30 percent more acidic than they were at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, as they absorb 22 tons of carbon dioxide a day. By the end of the century, they could be 150 percent more acidic.
"Everything points to dramatic effects," said Richard Feely, an oceanographer with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Seattle. "There are suggestions the entire ecosystem could change over time."
Originally, scientists thought the oceans could be one of the solutions to the buildup of greenhouse gases, as they absorb about one-third of the carbon dioxide that's emitted worldwide. But they now know that the fundamental chemistry of the oceans has changed, and the possible impacts seem to grow more nightmarish as research accelerates.
"It seems like it is a one-way street, and that is alarming," said Steven Emerson, a professor of oceanography at the University of Washington. "The pH of the oceans could be lowered permanently."
Emerson was the lead scientist on the team that built the buoy at Ocean Station Papa, where weather measurements have been taken since the 1940s. The 10-foot-diameter buoy is equipped with an array of sensors that, among other things, measure the amount of carbon dioxide that's being absorbed by the North Pacific and the pH, or acid levels, of the ocean. Anchored in water 5,000 feet deep, the buoy relays its information to onshore scientists via satellite.
Of all the oceans in the world, the North Pacific could be the most vulnerable to acidification.
As the oceans' deepest waters circulate around the globe, they eventually arrive in the North Pacific, where they rise near the surface before plunging deep again to continue their global journey. When the water arrives in the North Pacific, it's already acidic from the carbon produced by decaying organic material during its 1,000-year journey from the North Atlantic through the Indian Ocean and across the Pacific, Feely said.
As it surfaces, or upwells, in the North Pacific, the water absorbs even more carbon dioxide from the air. Cold water absorbs more carbon dioxide than warm water does.
"The older water is in the Pacific, the newer water is in the Atlantic," Feely said. "There's 10 percent more carbon dioxide in the Pacific than in the Atlantic."
Corrosive water 600 to 700 feet deep already has been detected off the continental shelf of Washington state, Oregon and Alaska, Feely said.
"It's butting right up against the coast," he said. "The concern is when it gets to the continental shelf, what it will do to the fisheries."
The increasing acidity can eat away at the shells of crabs, oysters, clams and nearly microscopic organisms known as krill and pteropods. It also inhibits calcification, the process in which these animals rebuild their shells. Without shells, most of the animals probably would die.
Krill and pteropods are a major food source for juvenile salmon, herring, pollock, cod, mackerel and other fish.
"When you start messing with the lower end of the food chain, it can dramatically affect the higher end of the food chain," Feely said.
Squid also are sensitive to higher acidity, which affects their blood circulation and respiration. Colonies of coral, including those in tropical waters and those found deep off the Northwest coast, could disappear.
Feely said that 500 million to 1 billion people worldwide depended on fish for survival. Sharp declines in fish populations would affect their lives.
Eventually, the acidification will reach into inland waters, affecting oyster beds and clamming areas.
Earlier this month, the Senate Commerce Committee passed a bill co-sponsored by Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., that would create a comprehensive ocean-acidification research and monitoring program. A similar measure has been introduced in the House of Representatives.
Cantwell said she expected her Oceans, Atmosphere, Fisheries and Coast Guard subcommittee of the Commerce Committee to hold hearings in the Northwest on ocean acidification early next year.
"It's a little-known fact, not widely understood, but it is clear our oceans are suffering," Cantwell said.
A San Francisco environmental group, the Center for Biodiversity, has asked 10 states - Washington, Oregon, California, Alaska, Hawaii, Florida, New York, New Jersey, Maine and Delaware - to declare their coastal waters "impaired" under the Clean Water Act because of rising acidity. Such a move could clear the way for the states to regulate carbon-dioxide emissions.
"Though we believe the science is there, the political will may not be there," said Miyoko Sakashita, a lawyer for the Center for Biodiversity. "At least this will raise awareness among policymakers."
Though cuts in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse-gas emissions might slow or reverse global warming, scientist say it could take thousands of years or longer to reverse the increased acidity of the oceans.
"For all practical purposes this is permanent," Emerson said. "That's not true of temperature. But with ocean acidification the time scales are long."
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Show AllI believe you DOOM 'AND' GLOOM. Is Doom one personality and Gloom another?
If any missed it, here is an excellent link, it's very brief, unless you open the other windows on that screen.
http://www.whyplankton.com/
Without the raw science that bush and the religious wackos detest, we would have no clue how fast we are racing off a cliff.
Now a little trivia:
I am very familiar with this buoy. Actually for years, Ocean Station Papa used to be an unmanned ship anchored for NOPAC transpacific flights and ships. They have shrunk it down to ten feet! During it's history, OSP provided VHF communications relay and VOR navigation signals for long range nav updates (before satellite-com and nav became common.)
The illusion that nature is somehow in balance, has been discussed by some insightful posters here in past threads. Evolution is not, nor has it ever been, "over." Natural Selection is still very much in play as 99% of all the species ever in existence would shriek out to you and underscore that point if they could.
But we have never seen such a rapid exponential extinction of species in the history of the world (exempting volcano and asteroid events from that statement.)
As KEM pointed out, Something is killing everything off. And we are next. Personally, I feel I'll be lucky to see just another ten unmolested years on my island before the chit hits the fan. All I have to do is the population math. Asking Pacific Islanders not to have too many children is like asking the Sun not to rise in the morning. Worldwide, food's going to get expensive. Fish are going bye bye. Fuel is going to go through the roof because both conservation and oil profit efforts will artificially drive it up. Electricity is going to get exotic and unreliable.
With the paltry two acres we have, we just poured in 1,000 of 20,000 fish fry to help feed everybody we know and to stay afloat financially (food has tripled here in the last few years.) To help make the planet a little greener, and to eat a more vegan diet, my clan is planting all sorts of fruit trees and vegetable gardens. This, of course, takes underground water half the year; which takes electricity to make the pump function. I believe I'll start planning for solar panels to run it when the sky is clear (on the hottest days.)
The Bottom line is that we are all on a collision course with "Predatory Capitalism" and the Robber Baron's who "Own this country", as comedian George Carlin says. They are not going to give up without a dirty fight.
But we can start by shunning their consumerism. By boycotting everything the Fortune 500 makes. By preparing for a National Strike. By preparing for the Second American Revolution (sorry, but I don't believe anything else is going to work.) I agree with those who say, we should all arm ourselves with LEGAL assault riffles just to give Blackwater and FEMA goons pause about kicking your door down in the coming dark years on the horizon. Democracy is the light at the end of the tunnel for us CDers and we must keep our goals consistent with reaching it.
Yes. Because if you restore paper ballots that can be totaled accurately and recounted, the people will throw these "Alpha Hotels" (azzholes) out of here. Live simply like the colonist did. Prepare to defend Liberty at all costs.
pac "1776" plyer
Kennett, Kem Patrick et al. (2003) have suggested that the large changes seen in the ice core atmospheric methane record are due to gas hydrate dissociation rather than changes in tropical wetlands. We use the global carbon isotope budgeting method to calculate the amount of gas hydrate release which would be required to balance the deglacial carbon isotope shift. A release of only ~120 GtC methane, is required to make a biospheric carbon transfer of ~1000 GtC compatible with the marine carbon isotope data. This represents less than 20 percent of the atmospheric methane increase between 18 and 8 ka observed in ice cores. This supports the theory that glacial-interglacial variations in atmospheric methane were driven primarily by changes in the extent of tropical and temperate wetlands and not by methane release from clathrates. Hence the Clathrate Gun Hypothesis is firing blanks. This method also invalidates the carbon isotope budget method as a means of estimating glacial-interglacial land carbon, as the release of very light gas hydrate carbon must be taken into account. This resolves the long running discrepancy between isotope and paleovegetation estimates of carbon transfer. Therefore we suggest global carbon models will have to incorporate glacial-interglacial vegetation shifts of at least 1000 GtC. Modelled time-series of gas hydrate release and the carbon budget; indicates that 1. Gas hydrate release is controlled by N. Hemisphere deglaciation while 2. most of the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is very rapid and occurs synchronous with warming in Antarctica
http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2334
Methane escaping from the sea floor to the atmosphere has been a popular suspect for causing rapid climate changes during and at the end of the last ice age. But new data derived from a Greenland ice core have delivered a killer blow to the idea.
Methane (CH4) is a much stronger greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. It is usually released from swamps or through biomass burning. But it is also trapped in huge amounts in some ocean-floor sediments, where it lies buried in a strange kind of ice known as 'methane clathrate'. These clathrates are stable only within a certain range of temperatures and pressures; when brought to the surface, they melt rapidly and release burnable gas to the air.
A catastrophic release of trillions of tonnes of methane is thought to have triggered a temperature jump some 55 million years ago in an already warm climate at the Palaeocene/Eocene boundary (see ' Gas leak!'). But some scientists suspect that similar methane bursts, triggered perhaps by submarine landslides, sea-level drops or changes in water temperature, may also have caused a number of rapid warming episodes during and at the end of the last glacial period.
The theory has been popularized as the 'clathrate gun hypothesis'. But now an isotope analysis of methane trapped in bubbles of a Greenland ice core seems to disprove the idea.
No sign of a burp
Todd Sowers, a palaeoceanographer at Pennsylvania State University in Philadelphia, measured hydrogen isotopes of atmospheric methane from three distinct warming episodes, 38,000, 14,500 and 11,500 years ago. Methane from clathrates contains more deuterium (the heavy form of hydrogen) than methane from land-based sources, thanks in part to the bacteria that create the gas on the sea floor, and the material they consume.
He found no evidence whatsoever in the data for increased amounts of methane from marine clathrates. "This means that seafloor methane reservoirs must have been stable at these times, or at least that no significant amounts of methane escaped the ocean," says Sowers, whose study is published in Science this week.
I love the movie 'What the Bleep Do We Know'. It opened an incredible sense making view on life. Life is everywhere in the Universe. The Universe is Life. The Universe Is Alife.
Knowing that certain events, that are intrinsically woven into the fabric of time and space are so deadly and devastating to higher life forms, take place on a level similar to one's own bio rythm with its ups and downs. Gamma Ray explosions happen frequently, although in distant galaxies at the 'other end' of the universe.
Everybody that spends time with astronomy or history will sooner or later discover, that ancient civilizations had a profound knowledge of some cosmic event of epic proportions. Some galactic constellation that produces excess energy.
In the film they talk about an experiment to influence the crime rate in Washington D.C. by twenty percent, only through collective 'positive thinking'.
What about we have a television broadcast worldwide to show everybody a picture of the earth in space with a bright
shining purplish blueish shield, that protects it from any harm.
I wish I would be Jesus, than I could heal some people in the dark house from their delusions of grandeur that catapulted
us quicker to the edge of the cliff.
Time to find peace. Time to reach out. Let's do it. Let's save us from ourselves.
The concept that we could dump our excess CO2 in the oceans, although now rightfully exposed as detrimental to seawater chemistry and marine life, portrays the obvious mis-applications of scientific principals that have dominated the carbon pollution issue since its inception. .
The recent agreement at Bali only provides more time for delays in meaningful US participation, which have been the greatest obstacle for meaningful progress. Unless the focus is directed to meaningful measures, rather than carbon caps etc, which will do little to curtail carbon pollution, success in reducing carbon pollution can never be achieved.
Success can never be achieved without dramatic reduction of fossil fuels along with development of alternative energy sources. Despite the assertions of the energy cartels and this administration, this is possible; but it will require concerted efforts, which we can well afford. Contrary to right wing assertions such measures would aid rather than damage our economy and security by reducing dependence on imported oil and improving our air & water quality. .
Often overlooked is te fact that these measures are necessary for other environmental concerns, even if warming were not an issue.
It's time to start creating lifeboat communities. Get off the treadmill. Stop feeding the beast. Action is the antidote to fear. The "leaders" want you to fear -- it's how they exert control.
http://www.EcoReality.org
H economy: Anhydrous ammonia distributed like LPG.
6.4 billion pounds of liquid sold last year. Pipelines cross state lines now. Iowa has 600+ RETAIL outlets now.
Ammonia kills 2-3 people a year in this country. Petroleum kills thousands, Nuke deaths are uncountable.
Converting all of central America's breadbasket' to -wind- generated NH3 fertilizers INSTEAD of presently making ammonia striped from Natural Gas CH4 + H2O ? CO + 3 H2, 3 H2 + (air)N2 ? 2 NH3 here or overseas, the by-product of gasoline mining. Shell closed down its Alaska NH3 plant last year, importing fuel/fertilizer allows fraud and price fixing. Thats why the pipeline from Alaska was never built, in spite of congress' insistence.
AND, in the same fields as the corn and wheat. Converting existing stationary and farm tractor engines to on-site portable hydrogen (ammonia) fuels for liquid storage when the wind slows, off-the-grid.
Wind from the Midwest can run the US: H2O + electricity = O + H2, +(air)N2 ? O + NH3, with thousands of (already mature wind technology) electric farms. Distributing and storing "electricity" (ammonia) in outdoor tanks and pipelines for use in NH3 diesel-electric generators or use in fuelcell and sterling type under-the-Kitchen-sink home devices that make hotwater, electricity and heat the room 24-7. There are dozens of current manufactures of these on-or off-the-grid "appliances".
A capital and caloric investment smaller than "more" high voltage distribution (50%loss) of new/better $megaBillion Megawatt steam power plants driven with ANY prehistoric heat source.
Ammonia is running remote cellphone towers in Africa.
The USArmy ran almost unmodified truck engines and turbine helicopter engines from solar generated NH3 in the 1960s.
Some guy drove his Chevy around Canada in the early 1980s, another drove across America and back in an S10 pickup this last summer with less oxides of nitrogen out his tailpipe than with gasoline .
NH3 Airline travel, current turbines modified to inject Ozone INTO the stratosphere?.....another screed...
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Lots of changes in thinking produce increased CO2 excretion from humans...i guess we will never change.
P.S.So Far, no photovoltac has returned the power it took to make and deliver it.
is there any 'good' news out there?
At least Death will end our suffering.
Yeah.. I know what you mean. I am soooooo depressed right now at the state of the world.
I know that Conservatives and REpublicans say we are always looking at the negative.. but the thing is that this stuff has been ignored for too long... and we have to get folks in gear.
But it is depressing.
I was listening to Joanna Macy who talks about the GREAT AWAKENING and how we have to accept the mourning we feel.
I am angry too. I am angry because as I turn 40 next year.. I realise what kind of a future I am going to have.. vs what i thought would have.
I am trying not to contribute anymore to the downfall. but it is like stepping on ants.. it is hard not to continue to contribute... It is like a big boulder rolling down hill. How do you stop it?
THere are folks who STILL don't care or see a problem.....and the rest of us are paralyzed with "What the F***" do we do with this?
Is going vegan or recycling 100 percent or whatever. really going to do much?
Who knows...
In the this latest hint of the disaster one becomes aware of how much work there is to be done to stop this madness. if we work together and support those out doing the stories to stop the world construction of business we may have one more chance.
I awriting, speaking and doing films about this issue and all the other ones that make on group of disater scenarios. It based on the timelag and acceptance of science to accurately report its findings. But even if they had had this data before, the public would not get it. The big media and the special interests in Washington and the coporate world would have scoffed at the science and continued to put future generations at risk. This science is only acceptable because the world has accepted the findings of global warming.
The time lag of a thousands years makes this science affecting the oceans completely uninimportant when one considers that a lag of only ten years to reduce emissions by 80% which is the true figure and not the Bali 25 to 40%, if we are to avoid the positive feed back loops that will become the tipping point! But this is scoffed at because of economic reasons.
The acidity if the oceans is bad news not only for the life within the ocean but for the fact that it mkes the ocean less able to absorb the excess carbon dioxide and therefore exacerbates global warming and climate change.
The UN like most organizations built around the G8 nations and economics. There formulations are designed to do two things try the save humanity and try to save the world economy at the same time. The problem is that Kyoto is problematic in that its policies promote continued pollution aimed at keeping the world economy afloat. If they were really interested at saving this planet the UN would do away with pollution trading altogether and institute a crash rapid change to alternative energy and an end to global toxicity. But that is the truth so let them think, as all diplomats do, that we are really interested in change.
I have talked with delegates from the UN member nations and many of them have said to me if they really said what some of us NGO's are saying that would be recalled and never have a job again.
Most comments are very nice to hear but like the Congress they also come down beside the point as most politicians do. Like most comments from the present Congress and in the blogs avoid reality and don't really deal with the issue head on. Most are still looking for the magic technological bullet or some disingenuous politician that will save all and we can continue on the way we are going with ever more growth and ever more and greater GDP as the bankers advise. Any candidate that does not talk about environmental issues first on the agenda, including Kucinich, betrays America and the world.
Does anyone think that the Soviet Union, Japan, Indonesia, Brazil, the USA have any real intention of do the cap and trade? Don't kid yourself even though since 1992 this has been on the table not one of the above have really instituted the finding of the Rio Conference of KYoto. The USA has not signed the agreement and won't until the madman Bush leaves office and the rest of the NEOcon squad with him. The world has been asking for USA leadership and the reduction of CO2 but that will not happe for another year. But even if the US does it China will never join the bunch nor will India.
There really isn't any quick fix. I am a filmmaker and have worked on the environmental change issues since 1978 so I have a fair amount of experience to speak. While LED light-bulbs is good and 40 MPG for cars is better it is not the at least the 80MPG that is necessary and refits for all existing cars rather than exporting them to the developing world which is presently being done and will pick up speed as restrictions rise in the western world. We continue to export the problem from the USA to other countries as if we don't share this world with other people. And while Jesse Jackson talks of the black people of the world, his particular crusade its the people of the entire world at issue.
It was GE that killed the electric car not long ago who in Congress complained about that? Whether health care, big business, environment, energy alternatives, toxicity in the environment or any and all of these it comes down to who has the courage to talk about all of them rather than focusing on the head of a pin the one important issue. You want to hear about health care? The advance of environmentally based health problems by a toxic environment and air related pandemics is what we are looking at in the next few years with rising temperatures. The candidates are discussing universal health care? Try that on for the globe and all the sicknesses the policies of the USA have caused, three percent of the world's population the USA produces seventy three percent of global toxicity. You wonder where cancer comes from?
The people of the USA have been so ill informed as to what a change would really do and mean to this country and the change in leadership, they have forgotten that no one could be worse than George Bush. . . No one not even the dog catcher, at least the dog catcher has compassion for animals!
The real problem is not Kucinich as president, the problem is that he puts his emphasis on the wrong problem at the wrong time. The problem is getting him to address a credible platform of ideas. I say to him while impeachment is necessary, it is unlikely. There is not enough time and the issues most pressing are again avoided, like the environment and those really important issues before the congress now like kids health care! The issue of this election will affect the environment, economy and the future of the USA as no others. Yet if more than 50% of eligible voters cast their votes it will be a miracle because of regressive US election laws. It is compulsory for every one to vote in Australia. None of the candidates are really talking on the major points of the environment in association with the economy or health care and reform laws for elections.
The environmental news coming out is not new but it is very grave and keeps being pushed to more urgency as new research comes to light. If any one reading this comment cares to look at the website of NASA, the research papers of James Hansen in particular that were published long before Gore was on the scene and many since, they would understand that we really can not deal with much more than one degree to two and half degrees Fahrenheit of warming at its maximum to ward off the most serious effects of industrial societies pollution and to offset this growing catastrophe.
At about two and half degrees warming which is presently in the pipeline we will be dealing with about 550 ppm of carbon in the atmosphere, a rate actually above the tipping point of one and half degrees warming. This is the absolute figure to avoid the major positive feedback loops that are starting and scheduled to kick in by 2020 or earlier if nothing is done quickly. Positive feedback are starting now with Methane now being released on the tundra into the atmosphere a four times addition to greenhouse gasses and causing the poles and glaciers to melt more rapidly, or has no one noticed?
The below scenario excerpted from the climate articles here on Common Dreams tell us clearly without rapid change runaway climate change and their feedback loops are in reach within 10 to 30 years if nothing is done rapidly. The positive feedback loops will melt the remainder of the glaciers and perhaps dump Greenland into the sea as well. Also, the melting of additional ice-shelf's at the poles. That means perhaps a 3 to 30 foot ocean rise by the end of this century, but the process is beginning now and in 20 years or less without rapid change in economic direction the human race will reach a point of no return. The so called news and other media continue to bend the information toward the global economic agenda thus minimizing its importance. India for example is less concerned about climate change than they are about economic production thanks to the G8, although their neighbor Bangladesh is slipping into the sea . Still in India, there are several moves in the direction of smaller is better concepts of reality.
There will be sufficient human displacement of people on this planet to bring American citizens into a nightmare scenario that makes the present Mexican border problem a walk in the park. What about the transfer of health risks as a result of this problem? Not to mention water and food related issues and the economy, always the economy.
Yet is seems the political discussion rests on the complete list of talking points in isolation, such as Clinton's health package and its cost, rather than what is really at stake which is human survival. These folks on the stage wanting to be president rarely talk to the complete interrelated package of all these issues and more. The media reduces the public debate to its most simplistic level and all here are arguing about one issue or another rather than the entire package which a true leader must address. The media keeps the public dumbed down for obvious reasons they represent the money people. As a result we become unable to talk about moving radically to deal with climate change the first and major issue which affects all other issues and is completely related to economic change.
The world does not have (much later) before a more aggressive approach to all the issues beginning with climate change now! Remember New Orleans? Within next 10 to 20 years is where it all hangs. If nothing is done very soon it will mark the beginning of the end for the human race. Those appear to be the facts and no technology will stop runaway climate change once it begins, indeed if we look at the melting poles the worst case is much more apparent than formerly believed . . .it has already begun!!
Perhaps it might be too late now, according to James Lovelock, in his view it has begun. James Hansen at NASA makes a very compelling case for the time frame for action within the time in office of the next president of the USA and so does the UN. I think anyone who really wishes to be informed should go to the websites of these people mentioned here or the IPCC. It is technical information but worth taking the time to inform yourself. The answer is to start working quickly for change and vote for those candidates who speak of change and another direction and who represent ideas rather than special interests. For example the best work would be to defeat the pro-business Clintons and elect Kucinich or Obama or possibly a joint ticket while we know they have an outside chance they are the best possibility for change.
But we all know business interests will prevail with Clinton capturing the vote and a pro-business vote is a vote against the environment. No one running on the democratic side could be worse than Bush. But anyone who can think understands that the business interests control the environmental agenda and most candidates. The republicans will continue the work of burying the planet as will pro-business democratic candidates most of whom have been bought, whether by health interests or anything else concerning big money.
The facts concerning climate science is what is important. What the environmental facts really suggest is economic depression in the West in the near term. But if we are really serious about saving the planet (no one wants to hear that if they are connected to big money) it means voting for economic and environmental legislation limiting pollution and green house gasses. . .in any event that is change!
But the environment, water, energy production these are the real issues of this election campaign but no one would dare mention them in association with change in economic direction for fear of defeat. A redirection and a retooling of the global economy and of America is in order and that is not a popular issue on Wall street or people invested in Wall street. . .most everyone in one way or another.
We have to change rapidly and move to a none-stop production of environmental invention and energy alternatives for the western world and developing nations rapidly. It also means rapid technology transfer for the developing world without delay, this may save us some time. A cut of 80% of the carbon emissions within the next 10 years is in order and it must be done beginning now and well on the way before 2012 the next date for Kyoto. Kyoto is a western world fabrication to tell us we can keep polluting while where figuring a way to deal with this crisis economically.
A change of the present direction of economic production and fast move in a different direction economically is required by anyone that can think and put simple figures in context of this crisis. The world is waiting for this move by the Americans and watch the dollar rise rapidly against other currencies once this plan would be announced if ever. This is why this upcoming election is so critical and the results of it will determine whether the human race survives. . . . It is that critical!
The economic change in direction could possibly reemploy a lot of people who have lost their work in the polluting industries. This is the challenge to America to remake itself after eight years of the Bush/Cheney regime. It is equivalent to a fight for survival that required the retooling of America at the outbreak of WW 2. It requires change in the so-called war on terror, a Bush fabrication advanced by the media which is a money centered mind conditioning creation and finally, it means leaving Iraq, and using those resources to fight the real enemy to survival, the western consumer, hydro carbon based, societies of the western world.
Who knows that might mean less of an investment in China and more of an investment the western world for a healthier environment? And the Chinese might follow that example as well.
Which candidate will say this to America? Which candidate will really tell the truth? If they did they wouldn't have a chance in this election because Americans don't want to hear that! Any one having the courage to really tell the truth would find themselves on the next train to Siberia; they would be shouted down by the crowds of people on the stump and many on this blog. saying what the hell do you know anyway? "This is too scary for me!"
But the economy is the issues and that is determined by the war in Iraq. The illegal Bush-war that Kucinich wants to impeach Bush/Cheney for creating but takes us into another direction and one not well thought out. He is focused on the lies of Bush rather than the future of the world.
The production of alternative energy will soak up the idle job market, indeed it is doing so now! With a shift to the priority of economic production and development directed at saving this world and its equilibrium, means in simple terms a crash economic change which is vitally necessary, without that we are done. If any one thinks that we can continue with an oil economy and business as usual with a consumer based society, they are living in the world of denial which so much of the western world occupies. The below is a light message compared with what the truth really is: from UN sources of information!
"The world needs to spend 1.6 percent of global economic output annually through 2030 to stabilize the carbon stock and meet the 3.6-degree Fahrenheit temperature target. Rich countries, the biggest carbon emitters, should lead the way and cut emissions at least 30 percent by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050. Developing nations should cut emissions 20 percent by 2050, the UNDP says."
The above is letting you down lightly is really not what the actual projections are. The world crisis will crash in on its regional global populations is what the information below is saying. There really is no place in this discussion for a 5.4 to 7.2 Fahrenheit degree rise in temperature. . . .this scenario painted with the these numbers below is a different planet closer to Mars not Earth. The news media play with numbers like the lottery. We can tolerate one degree and perhaps two and half degrees warming at the outside, . . .in the next 50 to 90 years. . .that's it!!!!! An additional 3 degrees to four degrees Fahrenheit is three more degrees greater than this climate and its creatures can sustain or endure without collapse!! This quoted from the recent UN assertions here in Common Dreams and from the real information by scientists not political organization:
"a temperature rise of between 5.4 and 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit (3 and 4 degrees Celsius) would displace 340 million people through flooding, droughts would diminish farm output, and retreating glaciers would cut off drinking water from as many as 1.8 billion people, the report says." this is an understatement and conservative.
The above report is economically associated and conservative as well as misleading!!! Forget this idea of 5.4 to 7.2 Fahrenheit of warming that is the Martian landscape because it allows for the runaway positive feedbacks to take hold. Whomever believes this world can sustain this degree of warming is either working for the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank or is gathering this information from the laboratory at XXON/Mobile or its publicists!!??????
Meanwhile the group here is discussing who will give us better health care on a dying planet and impeachment of Bush a good way to avoid dealing with the truth. We can be suspect of anyone who says they have the truth. The need for understanding this current cast of characters wanting to be president is important. None of this group has the faintest idea of what we are really dealing with in terms of global warming numbers concerning the environment, and if they did they would not tell the public. They know it's bad and their advisers are telling them they can't deal with this issue to get elected by the masses.
The masses? Unless you have not heard, these are the people above who are worrying where their next bag of groceries comes from and the money to pay the rent! They really don't give a damn about the environmental issues. . And have no time for thinking about 10 to 20 years from today that has no realty attached to it for most Americans or the rest of the four and half billion people on this Earth in the same situation. . . .
Or, for the rest of the population working for and controlled by big business and big money. . .that is what this election is really about and if one thinks about the complexity of all these interrelated issues we know that we can not beat the odds business will win. That means the future for humanity is limited even for the one percent that has everything.
Sure elect Edwards, Obama, or Kucinich or any combination of most of the Democrats that are not funded by big business for this election. This is the reality of this time we still live, on this, still beautiful planet.
As always, it is the Bush nightmare that suspends and forestalls human action forward. if there was a single problem for this world in the past eight years it has been this throwback from the Jurassic period that occupies the Black House steeped in the blood of untold millions in this world both present and future. How much I like the call to optimism, to human adventure and responsible action. I rings like the bell of the angels and like so many how write her I am happy for your optimism Kem. More people at Bali should get your vibes and act responsibly. Having said that I have written here on the problem and tried often to get the powers to be accept we have a really serious problem. I work at the the UN and UNESCO in Europe.
I must say, I oathe the establishment because my concerned friends it comes down to veted intersts, greed and the economy as so many know here. I am afraid that we have ost this little game of truth or consequences. But if the truth really be known, the power elitre and the one percent who have everything and own everyone really don't care if some three billion people on this globe perish.
This is the reality of the circumstances of this situation of climate change and its results, my friends who write here. The carbon producing industry want to burn every resulting carbon atom they can release, the atomic energy plants will continue mining uranium and its horrendous amounts a carbon produced to provide the fuel and the last tree in the Amazon will be cut as well as every other rain forest.
I, for one, am not willing to go down without a fight! I owe it to my children.
Coco the 'good news' is there are going to be a lot less junk bought over the next few years in the West as many of us (not me) go bankrupt after realising our debts cannot be repaid by our houses.
Guess that is balanced with more junk being bought in the East tho... Shite!
GLOBAL WARMING ARROGANCE
Ocean acidification is not the only self perpetuating consequence of carbon pollution. Included also are the melting ice sheets which absorb rather than reflect heat, as the melting permafrost releases more CO2 & methane, and the list goes on. Inundation of low lying areas, spread of tropical diseases to temperate latitudes, sea life destruction from changing ocean chemistry, & currents, are only some potential consequences.
The US rejections of Kyoto, and now the Bali Conference, underscore the dangerous control that special interests exercise over this administration's policies. Their distortions of scientific data typifies their unconscionable war on science. Evidence linking carbon pollution to warming has long been as close to certain as science can be. Its causes, consequences, and mitigation requirements have been documented by many dedicated environmental organizations including The Union of Concerned Scientists.
Special interests argue that the current warming trends follow historic warming cycles, and hence reflect natural weather patterns--but they omit obvious differences: The earlier warming trends developed at slower rates which permitted the ecosystems to adapt. Morever they resulted from temporary natural events, which allowed transitions back to normal temperature patterns--by contrast, the current warming patterns result from artificial causes that will only intensify unless mitigated.
Often overlooked is the fact that, the same measures needed to mitigate global warming would be necessary even if it were no issue. Conservation, alternative energy development, anti- pollution refinements, etc are essential for other vital environmental reforms such as air and water quality, reductions in toxic waste generation, land preservation, etc.
Contrary to right wing assertions, measures to reduce greenhouse gases could only improve our economy by lessening our trade deficits, and improving our security by reducing our dependance on foreign oil. We could also regain some of our lost world respect that has resulted from our rejection of Kyoto while arrogantly contributing disproportionally to carbon pollution. With our participation in international efforts, China & India could no longer use our non-compliance as an excuse for their non-participation.
The environmental and social damage from our indifference to carbon pollution can only worsen if we allow this administration, guided special interests, to continue their war against our planet.
Laws of nature hostile to capitalism include the biosphere's general vulnerability to any and all large monolithic chemical changes. These changes occur as a result of monolithic human addiction to commodities. But increased diversification in commodities consumed generally causes a proportional reduction in the adverse environmental effects.
Capitalism favors monolithic addictions because simplification of the industrial/commercial methods benefits the few while diversification benefits the many. Simplification allows production with minimum expertise, leaving the vast majority of people ignorant and more easily enslaved to empires.
The progressive movement seeks diversity in approaches and methods. This diversity enables more people to pursue occupations that fully benefit society without capitalist compromises, greatly reducing the potential for environmental destruction, and inhibiting the capitalist drive to monopolize industry and control society.
As an example, if half of the energy consumed came from renewable sources, then half of the acidification of the ocean would disappear, a fourth of energy workers destroying the biosphere could switch to protecting the biosphere, along with two times that number more from other counter-productive sectors, and the capitalists' control over society would reduce accordingly.
The old capitalist argument that monolithic approaches free up manpower to expand "progress" is solidly refuted because most of capitalism's "progress" increases addiction and destruction, e.g. widening freeways to increase the volume of traffic.
Even though many things are springing out of my mind, I will refrain myself from swamping this thread with lengthy comments.
Principally I believe that You have to tailor Your words to the mental capabilities of Your listener/receiver. As it is clear that there is no sense at all in trying to educate CommonDreamers, because THEY are informed, know what's happening. The question is,
how to activate the 99% unconsciousness of the republican part of the world population. They're everywhere and we can be
thankful that it was there policies that lead ultimately to the total exploitation and the utter waste of the resources of this planet.
As if Mother Earth is some sort of big Cosco, where everything that You take out in the front is replaced in the back.
Just yesterday there was an article about the vanishing of the global reefs, birthplace for all marine life on earth. Well done repuglicans, well done. You will taste Your own medicine now.
I am sick and tired to hear about 'human mankind' caused all this. It is only a small part of 'human mankind' that caused this mess. It is the republicans everywhere, no matter if You are in us or in china, russia, burma etc.. It is their mindset. It was not the Buddhists with their integral understanding of the undeniable principle of interdependence, who helped themselves to plunder this planet and strip an entire planet of its life.
No, the blame belongs to the relentless enablers of the 'American Way', either it be from the top, like Carlin says "They Own You" , or from the very depth of human inadequacy on behalf of all these faux news viewers, that are so dramatically impaired in their ability to see the truth.
No need to dwell in the game of ponting with one own's finger to the splinter in somebody else eye, whereas I can reassure You, my eyes are free of any detectable particles, in the contrary to the bushcheneypuppetonastringplayers up, up there, trying to convince You, through the media, through their Poli- Scammers, who just won't do what You would like them to do, to prevent the most insane nightmare that has befallen human mankind.
No, I have not only the left to point my finger towards people like bush, pelosi, clinton & cheyney, blair, israel, burma, pakistan, afghanistan, iraq, sri lanka, china, nigeria, mugabe, olmert, hitler, stalin, mussolini, murdoch, halliburton, helms, reagan, thatcher, kohl, putin, reid, religion, white, science, military, military, military, military, military, it is my duty to do so.
Because I understand the principle that lies behind the Constitution Of The United States Of America. That's where my patriotism lies. In the protection and nourishment of everything around me.
I do not only love my family, my friends and people like His Royal Highness The Dalai Lama, Dennis Kucinich and so many others that dedicate their life to save the inhabitants of this planet, I love the Blue of The Pacific, The Blue Of The Skies,
The Green of The Plants, my cats of course and love itself.
It really is as the popular bumpersticker states:
The Answer Is Love.
Aloha
Thanks to the military on the planet You can kiss Your ass goodbye now.
The growing acidity ALARMS scientists. It should alam everone, however those who control the gold on this planet and therfore control everything, and have done so for decades are not alarmed. Therefore, nothing has ever been done to correct the MOST serious problem mankind has ever faced during our entire recorded history.
For just one example, the money the United States has squandered in just this year in an attempt to control the oil in Iraq would have been far enough to have developed 'clean' electrical power for the entire populations of the world. 'Clean', does not mean nuclear power.
World leaders and those who actually control them, those silent behind the scenes families who have the gold, have been well advised by renouned scientific experts, that if humanity does not stop burning off all of the planet's rain forests, that the result will eventually kill our atmosphere. Do the most powerful nations band together to conduct any meaningful diplomacy to stop it, or as a last resort wage any wars to stop that insanity? ___ Of course not, trees are not oil, uranium, coal, or precious metals. They're just big trees.
This planet is a water world, the only one known to exist in the entire universe. Astrologers know for a fact, there are more stars in the universe, than there are grains of sand on every ocean beach on our world combined, but they know of only ONE water planet and we humans are killing it and we may in fact have already achieved it, where we have passed the point of no return. Even so, our president insured this week, that little will be accomplished to stop the absolute madness.
In the article here, the word "phytoplankton" was mentioned. ~MENTIONED~. Atually, that tiny ocean plant is the 'most important' life form on this planet. Phytoplankton are tiny plants that float near the surface of the water, they convert the suns's rays into oxygen. (Over 70%) or most of the oxygen we have in our oceans and atmosphere was produced fron the phytoplankton since Earth first had life, billions of years in the past.
In just the past ten years, the phytoplankton numbers have reduced by from 10 to 12% and scientists who have devoted their entire adult lives studying such ocean life are not certain why they are dying off and every year the die off accelerates. Human pollution is the primary suspect. ___ What in hell else could it be.?
Therefore, if the global warming, which is melting the permafrost in our Arctic, which will allow 400 gigatons of methane gas to escape into our atmosphere and do so within as little as five years, doesn't kill off all life on this planet, the loss of another 15% of the phytoplankton most certainly will. Either way, we can all be 'firmly' assured, that we have from as little as five more years, to perhaps 50 years max, before humanity will be history.
All of humanty, includes the politicians and their families, and the humans who control the gold, those silent ones who have the power to insure we at least attempted to reverse a certain death of every human and every other life form on this water world.
~Merry Christmas all~ Peace on Earth and goodwill to men. ___ What about the girls in that phrase, don't they count? ___ Do you have children and or grandchildren? Ya love them? ___ Yeah, me too.
Sorry, I don't have the gold and I ain't the crazy president. I cannot control Pelosi or Conyers and we are losing precious time every minute. Time and our loved ones are actually the only thing we have of importance and time is rapidly running out for our kids.
Well there, I did it again, went over the two cent word limit. I'm done,___ unless some fool wants to argue with what I posted.
To Ike Kay and others:
I have a few thoughts to share about the "masses" of relatively uneducated,poor,struggling folks, the "bottom half" of Americans, who may not seem "up" to the fight for saving our planet. As a social worker, I hear frequently my less advantaged people (on my case load) talking about ecological issues, global warming, the earth changes, disappearing habitats. They have been talking about these issues long before it came trendy to talk about them. I am very impressed at the level of awareness of people who hardly have the money to get groceries, let alone a book. Their "green" conciousness is quite alarming. I work with women with severe mental illness, cancer, and every other affliction, talking at length with me about their fears for a dying planet. They love animals and birds and cry openly with me. So please, readers out there, be aware that poor,frail, working class, and elderly people are very worried, concerned and watching closely what our government does. Most of my clients are very angry with the neocon disregard for curbing greenhouse emissions.
Sorry to say, but all more fuel efficient cars do is lead people to drive their cars more - same with more efficient air conditioning and to some extent, lighting.
I have has Prius owners openly admit this.
We need an end to the automotive lifestyle altogether. Proper (or I should say, a return to) car-free urban design and public infrastructure can remove the need for car ownership for 80-90%% of households altogether. And totally aside from the environmental issues, what a quality-of-life improvement it would make. Culturally, we heed to view the car for what it is - a big-business-imposed ball-and-chain.
But as far as the ocean acidification - things are looking more and more like a reenactment the the great Permian extinction all the time, which was the demise of 95% of all species on earth.
Good news COCO? __ Oh yeah, Vick got two years in prison for torturing pit bulls, but torturing humans is Okay. Paris Hilton is loose and some Congressmen are 'talking' about impeachment and the price of unleaded dropped a penny a gallon this week at our local 'no particular brand' station.
Ike Kay and Robert Settgast
Thank you, Ike Kay, for your eloquent and impassioned post, making the point that the only issue at this point in human history is the environment because it swamps and overwhelms all other otherwise legitimate issues that we activists used to address. I am often asked to speak on issues of social justice, but I won't do that anymore without tying everything into what is happening to the environment, if only because when the environment suffers, the poor suffer first and most.
And thank you, Robert Settgast, for your excellent summary refutation of the arguments of the right against global warming. I'll be quoting you!
To the other good folks out there: Yesterday Common Dreams had an article about the acidification of the oceans. Several bloggers mentioned in response the diminishment of oxygen in the atmosphere. I'm not a scientist and would appreciate knowing more about the environment-oxygen connection. Can anyone refer me to a good source about this?
KEM PATRICK
well, i won't argue with anything you said. makes sense to me.
HERONGAL
it's good to know the people you work with are concerned, but like us here, they haven't the means or voice to do anything about it. it's so frustrating.
Hi Termite, good post there.
Yes, google phytoplankton, lots of information about the oxygen source for our atmosphere and our oceans there. Or, read Jacques Costeau's book ~THE OCEAN WORLD~. It is a wonderful book and very well illustrated. It's a $70 book though.
Costeau warned us years ago, __ he was a scientist, an explorer, an inventor, pilot navigator, author, and one smart cookie. No one listened to his dire predictions. Now it is is starting to be news. ___ Too late, the fat lady is rehearsing her swan song.
PJD
i've just looked up the permian extinction. looks like we are headed that way. wonder what percentage will survive this time?
KEM PATRICK
www.sveurop.org go to 'general articles' on the left panel then click on 'protective measures' 'nyos degassing project'. you'll read all about and see pictures of the methane gas explosion in the lake that killed 1800 people and animals in a 25 mile radius. not a pretty sight.
the planet is 'ascending'...a new reality is birthing while the current one is dying...proof? check the links below....the entire solar system is transforming, not just here...that's why we have all of the environmental 'chaos'...one reality is consuming another...
3 part investigative report:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-14-2004_Interplanetary_Part_1/Interplanetary_1.htm
http:www.paoweb.com/update.htm
http:paoweb.com/sn090605.htm this is where we are going
this is exhilarating....this is the 'Big Picture'...
all of your answers are in the paoweb.com updates...current & archive
Yeah I read it COCO, thank you for that link, and that was just a hiccup compared to the BURP that will be expelled from the Arctic permafrost. Momma Nature is gonna get even.
herongal--You are so right. The poor are always more aware of social problems because they are the first to be affected. I volunteer with an organization that works to improve housing and living conditions in one of the poorest neighborhoods in the U.S. It is made up--including its board of directors--of very poor people who have to struggle against poverty, racism, and the hostility of our local government. Despite this, we have organized organic community gardens, the banning of heavy truck traffic and industrial zoning from the neighborhood, and have built and rehabilitated both multi-family and single family housing. Since 1985, all of the new and rehabilitated housing (except for one rehab project where it wasn't feasible) have been solar/adobe. Our projects have won awards from the EPA, the Texas Society of Architects and the DOE. IF YOU JUST TRY YOU CAN FIND THE MEANS AND THE VOICE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. If a poor, Spanish-speaking population that faces constant hostility from city leaders can, so can everyone. The poor and the masses are not the problem. The defeatest intellectuals, the wealthy, the politicians, and the greedy are.
THOMAS
beam me up scotty........and it might just be right. yes, nasa have noted solar activity on a much bigger scale. and then there's the galactic alighnment............
I just found this which i thought you guys may appreciate and may at least bring a bit more sanity to your day http://www.ispeace723.org/cplustequalsp2.html
I hope this doesn't mess up my plans to escape the collapse of the West in my 50 fot sailboat...at leat it is a fiberglass and not a steel hull....do oceans of acid eat fiberglass?
since all the fish will be dead, I will need another food source...anyone want to come along as crew/spare provisions?
If there is any positive point to emerge from this it is the absence of climate change denier trolls on this thread (I assume coco is being satirical). Have those evil swine disappeared hoping to save themselves after having helped to prevent any action in the last ten critical years (http://www.blognow.com.au/mrpickwick/Climate_change/)? But is their absence here an indication that it is going to become possible to take action because the public finally will come to understand what the Earth is faced with? Possibly not if the behavior of the American delegation (ably assisted by Canada and Japan) at Bali is anything to go by. And even if the US had not continued to block any meaningful targets or technology transfer to developing nations (not to mention opposition to birth control elsewhere) the Bali timetable is a leisurely one - another two years of fruitless talking, followed, perhaps, by some kind of probably inadequate and enenforceable targets by 2012 - the game is essentially over by then. Unless the 2008 elections throw up a President who sees saving the planet as the main objecive of his/her presidency. And how likely is that?
Canuck, first you say there won't be any fish, so you will need another food source. Then you ask if any wish to join you? Uhhhh, don't tell us,__ not you.
Hey, seaweed will still be abundant for awhile, it's a good source of minerals and vitamins. For fat, you can have caged mice or rats aboard. Feed them seaweed, they will multiply faster than you can eat them. Of course the only fat in rodents is in their intestines. We do need some fat in our diet or we will eventually get very sich within a few months and then die. Take a lot of vitiman C pills and bottles of oxygen too.
Never mind bud, you are doomed along with the rest of us. At least you will enjoy your final days sailing. __ All alone I'm sure.
"Sorry to say, but all more fuel efficient cars do is lead people to drive their cars more - same with more efficient air conditioning and to some extent, lighting.
I have has Prius owners openly admit this."
PJD,
I'm a Prius owner and I can say that I'm not one who drives more because I have one. It stands to reason that folks who own Priuses (Pria?) have at least some awareness of what internal combustion engines do to the environment and don't want to add to the harm. Of course, there are those who will be pigs no matter what they drive.
Nor do I think that by owning a Prius I am solving the problem. My lifestyle is still woefully in the "waster" column, even tho I conserve, recycle, garden organically, compost, etc, etc, and etcetera.
Thing is, all the handwringing here will just make things worse because it ties up good energy that could go to use living life as sustainably as possible and educating others through example. Will this be enough? Who the hell knows. I do know this - much of my time that has been spent grousing about when the world will end could have been better spent changing my life to live a better way. In the final analysis, that's the only thing I can do. So, that's what I'm doing.
Permaculture is one way to live sustainably, and that is how I'm learning to live.
FMI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture#_note-4
http://www.permacultureactivist.net/
THOMAS, Thank you for that link, really is a good one. Of course we won't be here to observe it all.
MRPICKWICK
yes, i get my satire from KEM PATRICK. we're a double act. and until the jekylls and hydes of this world (aka genetic scientists) stop creating stupid things like cats that glow in the dark (for goodness sake!) and start re-directing their intelligence to more worthy inventions then there is no hope that collective action by nations will be forthcoming. and a president who sees their main objective as saving the planet will need a lot of help from everyone else on earth. and i somehow don't think that will happen. people do not want to give up their 'technologically' assisted lifestyles.
As most people with brains realize, capitalism destroys community. And here at the ass-end of "development" we realize that "the community" is the planet. "When the last tree is cut, when the last animal dies, when the last fish and stream are poisoned, the white man will understand---You cannot eat money."
This is an exellent read. It is brief and to the point.
http://www.whyplankton.com/
check this out too: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar_stormwarning.htm
if it works. (i don't seem to have much luck posting these links.)
Depressed? There is NO word to describe my feelings as I read this article. This is truly the end for life on this planet. This is irreversible. We, who caused this problem in the first place, are going to pay for it with the end of life on this planet.
I know scientists care. I know that the average person on the street cares. But scientists and average people have no power and can't do what needs to be done to effect change, if such change was even possible at this point.
When you have the US, the most powerful country (at the moment on Earth) along with China and any other up-and-coming industrial country refusing to make the necessary decisions and sacrifices and do what needs to be done to save life - well, what more is there to say?
I am in my '60s and have perhaps another 20 years of life. My heart goes out to those who are young and with a life before them. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes in the future. It promises to be a nightmare beyond bearing.
I hadn't before known about oceanic acidity. An I had not known about oxygen depletion in the atmosphere.
But I had known about mercury poisoning of the ocean. It is a fixed size ocean, and it is being poisoned. That alone has the capacity to destroy the ocean. Mercury and lead are elements. There is no chemical there that can break down. We cannot undo the dumping of these toxins into the ocean. We are already at the point where fish are dangerous to eat.
Similarly, I was aware of atmospheric poisoning. Again that is more slow, but eventually quite terrible.
I was aware of soil acidification on a vast worldwide scale, due to artificial fertilizers. I was aware of the acidity of rain caused by industry that destroys forests.
The wrongness, the ecological imbalance dates was caused by the industrial revolution. Basically, in order to preserve the planet, we would have to s wind back the clock 200 years. The planet CAN support primitive life indefinitely, regardless whether peacefull or barbaric. But the planet CANNOT a combination of industrial society and capitalism. Therefore much that we valued is a problem. Much that you thought right is wrong.
And we simply CANNOT stop or change our behaviour. It is something that we cannot do, because any country that closes down industry loses. The country that stops industry gets to have other country invaded, occupied and exploited, in much the same way as the American Indians or the Australian Aborigines or the Africans did. The countries that continued their industry would just simply expand their operations and colonize yet again those who stopped their industry. Therefore we simply cannot stop. We are doomed to walk this road that leads to destruction of the planet. This is our natural destiny.
Yes, I am a absolute merchant of doom and gloom, and have been so for about two decades. Because I think the planet is stuffed!!
Peak oil is not a problem. If the oil flow would stop NOW it might help save the planet, by stopping industry and cars, since we are unable to stop ourselves. But alas, we are only half way through the worlds oil, and we have only started on the world's coal. In the end, the same can be said of catastrophic climate change, if it happened soon enough to prevent atmospheric and oceanic poisoning. A bloody great meteor that hit our planet and devastated human life might also cause the required population reduction needed to save the planet. Perhaps a nuclear holocaust will save the planet!
I would like to add that maybe those early religions that worshiped mother earth got it right.
THERE IS NO REASON TO BECOME DEPRESSED WHEN READING ABOUT THE AILING LIFE SUPPORT SYSTEMS OF PLANET EARTH. THESE THINGS ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAPPEN, LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE ARE ALL TAKING! THESE FACTS ARE A CALL TO ACTION. WE MUST CHOOSE: GIVE UP OUR UNJUSTLY PRIVILEGED WAYS NOW OR HAVE THE UNCEREMONIOUS STRIPPED AWAY LATER. i suggest you begin training now. WHAT SHOULD YOU DO?
BE THE CRAZY ASS RIDING YOUR BIKE EVERY DAY IN THE RAIN WITH YOUR SOAKED GEAR AND YOUR SWEATY MUSCLES AND ACTIVATED HEART VALVES! CONQUER YOUR LAZINESS, I PROMISE YOU A LONGER AND MORE RELAXED LIFE!
BE THE INSANE HEALTH NUT WHO REFUSES TO GO OUT TO EAT NO MATTER THE SOCIAL PRESSURE, THE CONSCIOUS CONSUMER OF EARTHY GARDEN VARIETY VEGGIES AND LOCAL AS POSSIBLE CUISINE! EACH BITE IS A PRAYER. A VOTE FOR THE KIND OF AGRICULTURE YOU WANT TO BECOME MAINSTREAM. SAVE UP ALL YOUR STARBUCKS MONEY AND BUY ORGANIC TEA!
BE THE RAG-TAG WEARER OF OUTDATED THRIFT SHOP FASHIONS AND SPOTTED, WORN, MUDDY SHOES EVEN AS YOUR PEERS SECRETLY DISCOUNT YOUR SANITY ON ACCOUNT OF YOUR FAILURE TO KEEP UP-TO-DATE.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO GIVE UP SOME OF YOUR MATERIAL PRIVILEGE! YOU WILL RECEIVE MORE THE DUE COMPENSATION IN CLARITY OF THOUGHT AND STRENGTH OF SOUL.
BECOME THE CANTANKEROUS MINSTREL OF SIMPLICITY WHO HAS WANTED THAT VITA MIXER JUICER FOR FREAKIN' YEARS BUT REFUSES TO PURCHASE ONE UNTIL IT POPS UP USED.
DO NOT WATCH TELEVISION!!!! THERE IS TOO MUCH IMPORTANT WORK TO BE DONE.
DO NOT SUPPORT INDUSTRY THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH IN ANY WAY. THIS MEANS NO MORE CHEAP GOODS, CLOTHES, CELL-PHONES, COMPUTERS. THERE IS PLENTY OF THIS TRASHY STUFF USED. LEARN TO IMPROVISE!
STOP TALKING ABOUT THE REVOLUTION AND BECOME IT!
STOP WAITING IN APATHY FOR AL GORE TO SAVE YOUR ASS. IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE GORE THE CATACLYSM WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEGUN!
NEVER, EVER, EVER, SAY YOU ARE JUST ONE PERSON. SO WHAT!?! WHAT THE HELL ELSE WOULD YOUR BE!! USE YOUR INFLUENCE AS ONE PERSON TO PUSH FORTH THE NEXT BIRTH. BIRTH IS NOT EASY. IT WILL HURT. YOUR HEAD WILL BE SQUEEZED UNTIL YOUR SKULL FEELS LIKE IT WILL CRACK.
WITH LUCK WE WILL SURVIVE TO EVOLVE FURTHER.
Mars is looking better and better.
Amazing
It's a devil's dance that we do today. How fast can you dance?
At the top, someone asked, "Is there any good news?" Well sort of....If the world is ninety-nine percent destroyed, you can bet your last can of pork and beans that the last remnants of political and economic infrastructre will have been long gone.
The good news is that maybe the last 3000 humans left on the planet will remember just who did this to the other billions and never create another greedy capitalist society that would only repeat the same stupid crimes. Please note that I didn't say 'mistakes'. This greedy culture of capitalism was created intentionally by a few scam artists who conned their neighbors on the west to attack their neighbors in the east so that a few might be enriched at the expense of EVERYONE ELSE.
Are coral reefs the world's prime carbon sink? If so, we must expand them.
Yes, one more reason to STOP burning.
Its an emergency, but the Profit before Sustainability crowd will just blindly add it to the list of stuff to ignore.
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is only ONE possible solution if humanity is to survive, if all life on this planet other than microbal is to survive.
All of the world's leaders must admit there is a soon to be world wide disaster. Then they must agree to work together to attempt to avert it. Such would require a MASSIVE 'world-wide' effort, to first establish priorities, then plan and develop methods to eleminate burning coal, stop eradicating forests and stop every single bit of pollution of our lands and our oceans. That would include outlawing using DU in weaponry of course.
Truly clean energy for the entire world's populations MUST be the first step, it 'could' be done within three years or less. When Japan and Germany declared war on the United States, we immediately mobilized and several major projects began and were fully completed within from one to four years.
Among those were the Manhatten project, the Big inch pipeline from Texas to New Jersey, the Alcon highway and building over 300,000 military aircraft and thousands of ships, tanks, trucks and cannon. We did it and we didn't go hungry, there were millions of jobs. We have the money, what we have wasted in Iraq alone this last year would be suffecient.
We have had other very expensive and major projects since WW2. Such as the Interstate highway system, the Chesepeake Bay tunnel/bridge, The largest suspension bridge in the world, the NASA Apollo moon missions and the space shuttle, unmanned missions to Mars and so on. Prior to WW2 we had the Panama Canal, Boulder dam, the penna turnpike, etc. When there is a will, there is a way and the money is always there. Whatever is built for clean energy, will be profitable for those who fund it.
We as a human race have that option. Or, we can let the world go away.