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Bottled Water Boycotts: Back-to-the-Tap Movement Gains Momentum
From San Francisco to New York to Paris, city governments, high-class restaurants, schools, and religious groups are ditching bottled water in favor of what comes out of the faucet. With people no longer content to pay 1,000 times as much for bottled water, a product no better than water from the tap, a backlash against bottled water is growing.
The U.S. Conference of Mayors, which represents some 1,100 American cities, discussed at its June 2007 meeting the irony of purchasing bottled water for city employees and for city functions while at the same time touting the quality of municipal water. The group passed a resolution sponsored by Mayors Gavin Newsom of San Francisco, Rocky Anderson of Salt Lake City, and R. T. Rybak of Minneapolis that called for the examination of bottled water's environmental impact. The resolution noted that with $43 billion a year going to provide clean drinking water in cities across the country, "the United States' municipal water systems are among the finest in the world."
While the Mayors Conference fell short of moving to stop taxpayer money from filling the coffers of water bottlers, a growing number of cities are heading in that direction. Los Angeles, which has restricted the purchase of bottled water with city funds since 1987, now has more company. By the end of 2007, purchasing bottled water will be off-limits for San Francisco's departments and agencies, saving a half-million dollars each year and reducing greenhouse gas emissions. St. Louis is poised to ban bottled water purchases for city employees in early 2008.
At the launch of Corporate Accountability International's "Think Outside the Bottle" campaign in October, Mayor Anderson of Salt Lake City described the "total absurdity and irresponsibility, both economic and environmental, of purchasing and using bottled water when we have perfectly good and safe municipal sources of tap water." He urged city government departments and restaurants to stop buying bottled water.
In November, the city council of Chicago, beleaguered by swelling landfills and a stretched budget, placed a landmark tax of 5¢ on every bottle of water sold in the city in order to discourage consumption. That same month, Illinois state agencies were banned from purchasing bottled water with government funds. With 86 percent of used water bottles in the United States ending up as garbage or litter instead of being recycled, switching from the bottle to the tap helps to alleviate the trash burden.
New York City is urging residents to drink tap water, which is naturally filtered in the protected Catskill forest region. In Kentucky, the Louisville water utility hands out free bottles for residents to fill with "Pure Tap." Dozens of other local governments are talking up tap water and are looking into banning the bottle. (See list of other cities and initiatives.)
Tap water promotional campaigns would have seemed quaint a few decades ago, when water in bottles was a rarity. Now such endeavors are needed to counteract the pervasive marketing that has caused consumers to lose faith in the faucet. In fact, more than a quarter of bottled water is just processed tap water, including top-selling Aquafina and Coca-Cola's Dasani. When Pepsi announced in July that it would clearly label its Aquafina water as from a "public water source," it no doubt shocked everyone who believed that bottles with labels depicting pristine mountains or glaciers delivered a superior product.
Despite the less-frequent quality testing and sometimes commonplace origin of the product, bottled water consumption has soared. Annual consumption in the United States in 1976 was less than 2 gallons for every man, woman, and child; some 30 years later, Americans on average each now drink about 30 gallons of bottled water a year. (See data.)
All this hydration costs Americans more than $15 billion a year. The price of individual bottles of water ranges up to several dollars a gallon (and more for designer brands), while tap water is delivered directly to homes and offices for less than a penny a gallon. People complaining about $3-a-gallon gasoline may start to wonder why they are paying even more per gallon for bottled water.
With sales growing by 10 percent each year, far faster than any other beverage, bottled water now appears to be the drink of choice for many Americans-they swallow more of it than milk, juice, beer, coffee, or tea. (See data.) While some industry analysts are counting on bottled water to beat out carbonated soft drinks to top the charts in the near future, the burgeoning back-to-the-tap movement may reverse the trend.
In contrast to tap water, which is delivered through an energy-efficient infrastructure, bottled water is an incredibly wasteful product. It is usually packaged in single-serving plastic bottles made with fossil fuels. Just manufacturing the 29 billion plastic bottles used for water in the United States each year requires the equivalent of more than 17 million barrels of crude oil.
After being filled, the bottles may travel far. Nearly one quarter of bottled water crosses national borders before reaching consumers, and part of the cachet of certain bottled water brands is their remote origin. Adding in the Pacific Institute's estimates for the energy used for pumping and processing, transportation, and refrigeration, brings the annual fossil fuel footprint of bottled water consumption in the United States to over 50 million barrels of oil equivalent-enough to run 3 million cars for one year. If everyone drank as much bottled water as Americans do, the world would need the equivalent of more than 1 billion barrels of oil to produce close to 650 billion individual bottles.
Concerns about this high energy use and the associated contribution to climate change, along with worries about waste, are driving many groups back to tap water. The United Church of Canada is one of the religious groups abandoning bottled water for moral reasons. The Berkeley school district no longer offers bottled water. And after watching 3,000 empty bottles pile up each week, the Nashville law firm Bass, Berry, & Sims has stopped stocking bottled water.
Europeans have long led the world in per person consumption of bottled water. Italy tops the list worldwide, with Italians drinking 54 gallons per person in 2006. Italy is closely trailed in per capita consumption by the United Arab Emirates and Mexico, followed by France, Belgium, Germany, and Spain. (See data.)
Yet even in Western Europe the bottle is starting to lose clout. Rome, a city of many historic fountains, is promoting its tap water. Florence's city council, schools, and other public offices offer only city water. In the United Kingdom, the Treasury and the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs have ceased offering bottled water at official functions. Bottled water sales in Scandinavia are projected to fall because of growing environmental concerns.
Even France, home to Evian, is seeing a sales slowdown. During a 2005 tap water promotion campaign in Paris, the water utility handed out refillable glass carafes. Now Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoë serves only tap water at official events and encourages others to do the same. Total bottled water sales in France fell in 2004 and 2005, but rebounded in 2006.
Slowing sales may be the wave of the future as the bottle boycott movement picks up speed. With more than 1 billion people around the globe still lacking access to a safe and reliable source of water, the $100 billion the world spends on bottled water every year could certainly be put to better use creating and maintaining safe public water infrastructure everywhere.
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Show AllI agree with Samski about Bisphenyl A being medically dangerous.
Bisphenyl A, the gunk that makes plastic bottles so flexible, leaches out from the plastic into the drinking water especially whenever the bottle is heated. You have no assurance that the bottle you picked up in the 7-11 cooler wasn't left out in the heat for a few hours on some loading dock, in a hot truck or in a warehouse.
Bisphenyl A augments the growth of breast cancer cells and inhibits the action of killer T cells in the body. It has other nasty properties.
I started drinking out of glass quart juice bottles after I went to a cancer conference and saw a researcher set a glass jar of water up on the podium. The people that know take easy precautions. Yes, I've broken a few bottles in my time, but I pay that price of inconvenience. We buy juice in glass or sometimes in cardboard but not in plastic.
Don't leave plastic bottles of water in the car in summer, then drink out of the bottles. The water tastes ok but is medically hazardous. Also, don't freeze plastic bottles with water inside them. The big ice cube inside the bottle is nice but it's chemically hazardous.
When our old fridge died, we got a new energy-efficient one with water-thru-the-door. It came with a filter. I thought we'd had very good tap water until I tasted this filtered stuff. Heavenly! Replacement filters are needed every 6 months, but they're only $35 each.
The one caveat I have about filtered drinking water is that natural minerals are removed. Long ago I read in Prevention Magazine about a large study of two adjoining communities in the Midwest with two separate water sources. These communities had roughly the same diet, but the people in the area where magnesium was in the water had virtually no heart attacks, while the other group had a considerable number. Years later I read of the connection between magnesium levels and heart arrhythmias (which are often fatal if not detected), so I guess that Midwest study had some truth to it. I now take a magnesium supplement.
Oh, you can get these home water test kits at the hardware store for approx. twenty dollars. I can't remember the exact price but it was around twenty dollars or less for one to test your pH balance, levels of chlorine, copper, nitrites/nitrates and iron bacteria. How good these tests are I do not know. Can also get a home test kit for lead in your water where you take a sample of the water and then have to send it off and pay an additional approx. twenty dollars or so, I think. Read something about how it may be with some filtration systems, like those used to remove chlorine, you might also need to be concerned about some materials used in some filters to remove chlorine? Maybe someone else knows more about this. Anyway, often it seems if it's not one thing it might be another, eh?
Read you should try to get your calcium from the foods you eat and not from calcium in hard water, that your body does not metabolize this source of calcium correctly and this can cause problems, as I mentioned previously. I don't know.
It's a tile roof RICKSTER, we do Okay, had the water tested by the university and it's very pure. Only worry we have is DU that comes with the rain, but we aren't inhaling the water.
human beings were designed and meant to get the majority of their minerals from the LIVING waters they drank.the powers that be seem to know this fact and are buying up and controlling all the last resources,all over the world, for pristine water.water stripped of its god-given nutrients,poisonous additives and especially chlorine,(and flourides) has caused the "dumbing down"of the human race.
You have to admire the entrepreneurial American spirit. Grandpa Clark, who founded the family owned sand and gravel company down the road, came West and thought to himself "How am I going to make a living?" Then he looked down at his feet and said "I know! I'll sell people dirt!" And his wife said "But don't people already have dirt?" And he said "Yes, but dirt from a dump truck is special."
Remember the first time you saw canned air? I'll bet you thought the same thing I did: Why didn't I think of that? I'm pleased to say I've never been able to afford bottled water, but I did give money once to a guy in a brown cowl and a rope belt who claimed he was a lost Franciscan monk trying to get a bus ticket back to his monastery. This country is built on that kind of chuzpah.
I agree for the most part although where I live, tap water is NOT drinkable. It's gross! I have to filter it just to give my pets, for drinking water I buy the large 2 1/2 gallon jugs. My tap water literally smells more like chlorine than my swimming pool does, you flush the toilet and the entire bathroom smells of chlorine...YUCK. I always drank tap water when I lived in St. Louis and it was fine but here on the gulf coast of Florida, no can do.
Kristina40: can you get a water filter for your tap? Surely, over time that would cost you less than buying water in bottles?
My local tap water is not very good and there is the "mystery aspect." That is, the municpality doesn't even know what pollutants to look for between industry and the local military bases. Our water is considered the fourth best in the country but I prefer spring water.
Yeah gimmesometruth, I do use a filter on my kitchen tap but the filters are really expensive for them. I've been thinking about getting a whole house filtration system but they are WAY expensive so I have to wait on that one for awhile...
I used to have a physician in New York City who warned his patients against drinking tap water, because he said there was some evidence of trace amounts of toxins in the water, and there are thousands of chemicals that are never tested for but that can get into the water supply. Yes, much of NYC's water comes from the Catskill Mountains, but there are many possible sources of comtaminants en route, including from rusty lead pipes, etc. Just as some of us try to eat organic to avoid pesticides, some of us choose bottled spring water to try to protect our health. I've been doing so for the past 20 years, and greatly regret the waste of plastic and energy involved (at least the bottles can be recyled). In a toxic world we have to make difficult choices. But just because we're told tap water (or our food, or anything else) is completely safe unfortunately doesn't make it so.
to those of you defending bottled water as a health necessity, I would point out that bottled water has lower standards and less frequent testing than municipal water. If you don't trust your city's water supply (which I find a completely rational opinion, by the way), why in the world would you trust a for-profit bottled water endeavor with no accountability at all? Coke products are banned in India's parliament because of the high levels of pesticides they contained; granted, that's India, where it's even easier for Coke to dick everyone over than it is here, but really now. Trust Dasani? If you're worried about a healthy water supply, get a water filter or find a spring yourself and bottle your own water. Besides, a lot of bottled water comes straight from the tap anyway, it's no different.
megacorporations do NOT have your best interests in mind. don't be fooled.
I have always bought bottled water for drinking and will continue to do so despite the costs, plastic bottle (clear)
pollution.
Why? Because here in Santa Monica, CA. the tap water came
from underground wells. These wells became polluted by a gasoline additive that was carcinogenic, that seemed from leaking gasoline station tanks. The city of Santa Monica started buying water from Los Angeles.
Now and additional outrage: The City of Santa Monica is now adding FLUORIDE to the drinking water. This additive, which is waste by-product of the aluminum can industry, is considered TOXIC and is banned in several European countries and Japan. There are warnings that seniors, people on kidney - diolysiss machines, and infants (?) should not fluoride.
Blanket demands that bottled water, per se, should be banned under all conditions, is really insane.
As is the case throughout corporate controlled America, anything that makes a buck is promoted, regardless of the consequences. Thus the privatization of water, the dumping of toxic waste in to the water supply, the degradation of the food supply, etc.et. all is promoted under the secular religion of greed.
The bottled water craze really took off with a report saying we needed 8 glasses of water a day and that most of us were dehydrated. They forgot to take into account the water in the food we eat. If your urine is clear you are drinking enough.
@Kristina40
I gotta laugh at you. You find a "whole house filtration system" too expensive, but you have a SWIMMING POOL? Geeze, quit complaining.
Bottled water has one big advantage, it does not contain chlorine. I bake bread at home a lot, and chlorine kills the yeast.
Other than for baking, I drink filtered tap water.
jerry1208 "Now and additional outrage: The City of Santa Monica is now adding FLUORIDE to the drinking water. This additive, which is waste by-product of the aluminum can industry"
Fluoride and water.
http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/general/teeth/fluoride.html
"What Is Fluoride?
Fluoride exists naturally in water sources and is derived from fluorine, the thirteenth most common element in the Earth's crust. It is well known that fluoride helps prevent and even reverse the early stages of tooth decay."
"Though fluoride benefits adults, it is especially critical to the health of developing teeth in children. And despite all the good news about dental health, tooth decay remains one of the most common diseases of childhood."
Fluoride exist naturally in water oh my.
Actually jerry during the processing of water for drinking most chemicals are removed form the water and they have to add fluoride back to it.
Here in wonderful, clean British Columbia, Canada, home of the crystal clear spring waters, I have had to boil my municipal tap water for the last 3 weeks, due to an excess of RAIN, of all things.
still, I would rather boil than buy.
news flash: most bottled water comes from your local tap, usually in a wharhouse somewhere nearby, then is filtered and bottled, and sold for more than gasoline...what a scam!!
Edward1793 "Bottled water has one big advantage, it does not contain chlorine."
Yea that's why a lot of people get food poisoning from bottled water in this country and around the world.
Bottled water source of many illnesses
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/4424.php
Bottled water link to fatal food bug
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1094482003
Metromint Issues Recall for Bottled Water
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4057
"We have known about the B. cereus contamination for over two years. They have always shipped the product anyway. This is just the first time we got caught. (This was NOT a voluntary recall.) If you test Metromint you will also find contamination with ozone, used in the manufacturing process. This product is NOT safe. Many people working in the factory in Valencia have become sick and had miscarriages. I am glad the people running this company are finally getting caught. Maybe they will finally clean up the place."
Water can be toxic, drink to much of it to fast and it will shut you down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
Water intoxication (also known as hyperhydration or water poisoning) is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain function that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits.
Bottled water is handy though like when I driving long distances or setting through a long meeting. I usually recycle my bottles though by refilling them at the tap. Can't tell the difference.
Detroit is considered to have great tap-water -- but knowing what-I-know of up-stream dumping and contamination (and the insisted/asinine-additions of harmful-chemicals, like fluoride) I'd never 'drink it straight'. Nor would I 'trust' or consume any crap/bottled-water, overpriced or otherwise.
I now live in a rural-setting on private-lake with tons-uncounted of local-sands filtering my water (and I know-well the 200-year history of the pristine-locale being 'industry/contaminant-free'), but I still won't drink the stuff unless it's boiled/steamed first and filtered by Aribica-coffee and paper-filter. Other than that, I drink only 100%-juice.
I suppose next-week I'll read about date-rape drugging or mercury-contamination of those paper-filters, or some-such 'swell-news'.
Sigh...guess "nobody gets out alive"...
Bottled water pollutes the planet and my tap water tastes like rocket fuel. Maybe I'll just switch to wine.
Canuckchuck "news flash: most bottled water comes from your local tap, usually in a wharhouse somewhere nearby"
How about a garage sized building that keeps a small warehouse full. I have a nephew who set one up and runs it. He's not the owner though. Between him and six other people they fill up 10,000 bottles a day from the little operation. Actually they haven't ever been able to fill up the warehouse. The funny thing about it is they have cold-water fountains connected directly to the city water system that they drink from.
miftin "Bottled water pollutes the planet and my tap water tastes like rocket fuel."
How about getting your community to pass a bond issue and updating your water system. There's no reason in the world that people in America should be getting bad water from their taps.
Edward: Chlorine in your tap water will "off gas" in 24 hours if allowed to in an open container after it comes out of the tap. You don't even have to filter it out.
Fortunately for me, I have my own well water that is of extremely high quality. I've had it thoughly tested for everything, including heavy metals. I also give it away to friends that need it. Our local co-op also has filtered water available to any customer that wants to bring in their own containers. They sell it for 50 cents a gallon to cover the cost of the city water and the filters. There are also some places locally that you can collect your own spring water.
I guess my point is that there are ways around any objections folks may have to tap water. The environmental costs of bottled water, particularly single serving, is immense. We all need to take personal responsibility for our individual choices. Convenience is not a valid excuse for the degradation of the planet. When the power goes out, which it does quite frequently here, my well doesn't work. My solution isn't to go out and buy bottled water. Instead, I'm looking into a solar generator for the well. And I always have some water set aside to fill in the gaps when nothing comes out of my tap.
Don't buy bottled water!
Kristina40, where have you been? Welcome back. We collect rain water from the roof of our house, The gutters drain to a 500 gallon tank which has a float shutoff when it is full and then the rain water is diverted to our garden tank. The collected rain water is filtered through a home made filter before we drink it. Works great and we supplliment our well water with free rain water.
The home made filter is very inexpensive. I use a eight foot long section of 8 inch pipe. The water flows from the tank through three feet of cleaned small gravel, like the type used in a fish tank. It then filters through three feet of activated charcoal, then two feet of playbox sand. Finally at the outlet, we use coffee filter type paper to catch any minute pieces of sand and the water tests pure, no obnoxious taste and makes great coffee or mixed drinks. We also use it in our washing machine and for cooking, canning and for my wifes cat, __ who hates me. __ But I love the cat, she has a problem with communicating. She loves me when I fry chicken though.
Yes, from what I have read anyway, the fluoride added to public water supplies is toxic waste from industry, from the phosphate fertilizer industry, is absolutely not pharmaceutical grade fluoride or the fluoride which is found occurring naturally in some water supplies. I hadn't heard anything about it coming from aluminum can production but nothing would surprise me anymore. I have read several places now that it is toxic waste from phosphate fertilizer production, from cleaning the production scrubbers. You can learn more about this on the sites below. And many think it is a violation of informed consent laws to mass medicate populations in this way. Folks are supposed to give their informed consent before receiving any kind of medical treatment, right? Also from what I have read, fluoride has been linked to dental fluorosis, dental mottling, osteosarcoma, thyroid diseases, miscarriage, brittle bones, osteoarthritis, crystalization of the tendons and ligaments, etc.
Think I also read that fluoride is listed as a toxin on the EPA website between arsenic and lead? Basically, if I remember correctly, many folks say this whole fluoride thing is a big scam, that the stuff being added to public water supplies is toxic waste that someone would have had to have paid a lot to get rid of, but then came up with this scam to make money off it rather than having to figure out how to dispose of it properly. Read the info. on the Fluoride Action Network site below and watch this video featuring this leading dentist linked below as well. I don't know, but sounds about right to me given everything else I have read about all of the scams going on in different areas of the medical sciences. Yes, probably getting a good water filter system for your whole house or sink is the best way to go and there are also some tabletop distilling systems you can get for drinking water.
More extensive information on this as well as another video featuring Martin Sheen, which I want to watch, on this Fluoride Action Network site below.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
Take Action to End Fluoridation!
http://www.actionstudio.org/public/page_view_all.cfm?option=begin&pageid=8276
Leading Dental Researcher Speaks Out Against Water Fluoridation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3153312008186362773&q=dr.+hardy+limeback&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
After excusing those who drink bottled water because they really NEED to for some reason, the rest of us could loosely correlate the era of bottled water to
"the era we went nuts" and "the era when corporations took over our lives via marketing."
But don't look for us to get "sense" about this anytime soon. After bottled water at $1.00 or more came boutique coffee at $3.00 or more. It's been a gold mine operated on the sheer idiocy of consumers who don't seem to know that paying a dollar for a one cent glass of water means that ninety-nine cents plus half a lifetime's interest on it IS NOT IN YOUR SAVINGS FOR OLD AGE.
I was in "Sweet Tomatoes", a soup-salad restaurant just three days ago. They sell their own brand of bottled water to lunch-goers, right next to the free tap. Yes, customers could be seen buying the bottles.
There is "possibly" an upside somewhere in vending, though. Those of us who ever were thirsty in a public place and bought a bottle of water instead of a bottle of branded "high-fructose" corn syrup are probably better off. Even with this, though, some of us still have the "high-fructose" waistline anyway.
The best way to hydrate yourself is from fresh fruits and vegetables but consuming these for hydration is not cost effective. It's better to hydrate yourself from water than from most any other commercial drink with few exceptions, such as certain tea offerings.
The best water sources are capturing condensate from the air, rainwater, and well water if we are careful to test for contaminants. Distilling these with a solar still should provide the purest drinking water, but distilling water from almost any source will do if the still is properly operated and maintained.
Some people claim that minerals in water can be good for us but we were not tapping wells during our evolution so we don't need water as a source of minerals.
Tap water can have many contaminants. The flouoride and chlorine and who knows what else they decide to put in it or fail to take out of it can be a problem for some people. There can be contaminants from the piping and the mineral content may be excessive.
On top of that, the capitalists eye municial water as a commodity-lever of political/economic power and control over people, like they see energy commodities. The planet needs a plan to ensure that all people can be water self-sufficient.
i have nothing to add to the discussion except to brag that i live in olympia, wa ("it's the water") where the tap water is excellent, comes from a spring in a watershed of mt. rainier, and if you don't like that, you can go downtown and get water from an artesian well whose water has been in the ground anywhere from 50 to 1,000 years, depending on who you ask, and has ridiculously low ppm of any contaminant you can think of. and in spite of all that, bottled water sells as well here as anywhere.
also wanted to mention to anyone who remembers olympia beer's "it's the water" slogan (i think it's still on the label) that oly is now brewed in texas, where it ISN'T the water.
If you're afraid of polluted tap water, be it chlorine, flouride, or gas additives (and I'm not saying you shouldn't be), the fact still remains that bottled water "from municipal sources" = "from the tap". It's not just Coke and Pepsi water brands that bottle from the tap either. Just from scanning grocery shelves, not that I've made a study, it seems really, really difficult to find non-municipal sourced bottled water.
So the huge irony is, unless you work hard to research the source of the bottled water you're buying (and labeling is quite creative), you're still drinking the same pollutants you're afraid of -- just that you get to create ever more pollutants for later (manufacturing plastic bottles is a nasty business) while paying exorbitantly for it.
KEM PATRICK "We collect rain water from the roof of our house, …. The collected rain water is filtered through a home made filter before we drink it."
Hey Kem what's the roof of you house made of? It wouldn't happen to be asphalt shingles or how about painted metal. I don't think your homemade filter is going to remove any very small particles from that. Charcoal is a very good filter for large objects and odors but it won't remove micron size particles.
Oh, also there was a study in recent years coming out of Harvard which was linking fluoride to bone cancer in boys, if I remember correctly. You can do a search for more on that. Is bottled water the same as tap water? Well, yes, I have read that some bottled water is coming from tap water sources, but then it is filtered? Some of the bottled water is treated with reverse osmosis I think, right? In any event, there is a big difference in straight water from the tap and water from the tap which is then filtered, put through reverse osmosis, right? But, of course, you can get a reverse osmosis system installed on your water system in your house, which might cost a bit up front but is going to be cheaper over the long run than buying bottled water, I would guess. Some household water filtration systems are not that expensive. I have seen things which do filter out a lot of things in hardware stores for not so much. If you get a higher end system then that is going to cost you more, or if you get it from and installed by an expensive plumber.
I have also read that you get a lot more chlorine from the steam in a shower than from drinking chlorinating water, so some kind of filter on the house to filter out chlorine sounds good. Read you get thirty times more chlorine from breathing the steam in a shower than from drinking the same chlorinated water? Fortunately, we have well water and don't have to worry about nuts adding chlorine or fluoride and who knows what else to our water, but then have to worry about other things. You can get lead in the water even if you have well water from the pipes in your house, if you have an older house with lead used somehow in the plumbing. And have also read that if you have hard water with a lot of calcium this can be a problem and you can get calcium deposits in different places in your body, calcium problems with your bones, calcium deposits in breast tissues, I think, from this. Also, related to this, read that many folks, with calcium being added to all kinds of foods as well, and so on, might be getting too much calcium from many different sources. Folks say get a filter or be the filter.
There's another problem with tap water. The capitalists' scheme to hook people on commodities under capitalist control leads to excessive extensions of tap water networks across huge rural expanses. The materials and energy in the piping, and the energy in digging the trenches, and the maintenance costs of these networks are huge compared to the costs of the self-sufficiency alternatives.
It's like rural electrification. It's wildly insane to run power lines all over the rural landscape of huge continents like North America when stand-alone power sources have so many advantages, material, economic, political and environmental.
Rtdrury "Some people claim that minerals in water can be good for us but we were not tapping wells during our evolution so we don't need water as a source of minerals."
No we were drinking it straight out of the natural lakes and streams, which are naturally rich in minerals including fluorides. I wouldn't recommend that now days though. My water department sends out testing reports twice a year listing a whole page of items they test for. Seems based on water quality standards we have some of the best tap water in the country. Hell my understanding is you breath in more pollution through the air than you do from a modern water filtration and delivery system.
If the area you live in isn't producing good quality water then you need to loosen you butt cheeks and pay some taxes to modernize you water treatment and delivery system.
Hell modern water treatment systems today can take some of the most polluted water you can find and produce far purer water than you will find from any natural source. Distillation is the only way you can get pure water and even then it's not 100 percent pure.
The amount of chlorine and fluoride they put in tap water is not enough to do you any real harm. The air you breath causes far more harm than the chlorine or fluoride in your drinking water.
Well water in this part of the country has been polluted by strip mining of coal but even it can be cleaned up.
Bottled water? Bottled BULLSHIT.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yNGWn-aWn5g
If most bottled water is the same as tap, there are plenty of reasons not to drink bottled water. Even though bottles are recyclable, many bottles don't get recycled. In NYC there are very few recycling cans on the street, most people are not willing to carry bottles home with them. Also, it is not good to re-use plastic water bottles as they are not made to last. Fragments of plastic break off which you end up drinking. If people are considering using water bottles, buy stainless steel, not nalgenes. The chemicals in plastic nalgene bottles can leach into your water.
I think less people would buy bottled water if they knew there was a reliable/clean place to refill their water bottle throughout the day.
Oh, wait I think I also saw something recently about how some water bottlers may be adding fluoride to their bottled water? Are some also adding something like-- what was it? Calcium chloride maybe?
St. Louis has the best tasting water in the country. I've never bought a bottle of water ever since I lived here.
Just for your information.
Study Links Fluoride to Bone Cancer in Men
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190977,00.html
Professor at Harvard Is Being Investigated
Fluoride-Cancer Link May Have Been Hidden
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/12/AR2005071201277.html
"The National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), which funded Chester Douglass's $1.3 million study, and the university are investigating why the Harvard School of Dental Medicine epidemiologist told federal officials he found no significant correlation between fluoridated water and osteosarcoma, a rare form of bone cancer."
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has ranked fluoridation as one of the top 10 health achievements of the 20th century, and numerous studies have shown that fluoridation prevents tooth decay."
"Among males, exposure to fluoride at or above the target level was associated with an increased risk of developing osteosarcoma"
"Douglass reported last year that the odds of having osteosarcoma after drinking fluoridated water was "not statistically different" from the risk after drinking non-fluoridated water. But in 2001, Douglass's doctoral student, Elise Bassin, published a thesis using his data that concluded: "Among males, exposure to fluoride at or above the target level was associated with an increased risk of developing osteosarcoma. The association was most apparent between ages 5-10, with a peak at six to eight years of age."
Rtdrury "leads to excessive extensions of tap water networks across huge rural expanses………these networks are huge compared to the costs of the self-sufficiency alternatives.."
"when stand-alone power sources have so many advantages, material, economic, political and environmental."
What are you talking about? I would really like to be self-sufficient; the cost is just way to high for most people. I can see where electric will be in the near future, well 10 to 20 years but water filters. The price of those things has got to drop tremendously. I don't see it happening any time soon.
A custom built system for your own use requires comprehensive water testing just to determine what kind of and how many different filters have to be used. Yes some filters are generic and every system will use them others, like to remove sulfur are specialized and are in addition to the generic ones. Some areas it is more economical to build small custom water systems in other areas it's better to put in a mass delivery system.
At the moment the water system we have is in the hands of local governments and that's were it needs to stay.
Bisphenol A. Component of plastic bottles. Linked to health risks.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUKN0732118720071207
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/326907_plastic09.html
Samski, thank you for providing those links.
Hi Kem, I've been lurking, do most of my debating on the comcast forums lately. It's nice to to discuss things with other sane progressives but I find educating others to be more of a challenge. Rain? What's rain? We've been in a pretty bad drought here for a long while on the Florida panhandle LOL
For the poster WTF Yes, I have a pool, I inherited this house along with it's mortgage from my Mother after she died. I and my husband barely can make ends meet most of the time and with layoffs and being in a right to work state I can't afford a whole house filtration system, is that ok with you? The only other alternative would be to sell it and it's all I have left of my Mom and Dad so I don't want to do that unless it's a last resort. Besides with the real estate market as it is right now I'd get creamed trying to sell it...
We had to get a large reverse osmosis type system for our drinking and cooking because drinking water has too many toxins in it from what cities/states add to it, like Fluoride which is dangerous. Too much research, much done in europe shows it causes cancer, brain damage. You will not see meaningful research done in America on health because the medical establishment (AMA etc), drug companies, food companies, big business etc. make money off keeping us sick and in ill health. Our water and food have so much chemicals, prservatives in it that no one knows what it will cause years down the road. Any meaningful resesarch is called quackery to dumb down the public. There is so much more cancer and disease now than ever before because "big business" has found a way to make more money by giving us food that is so unhealthy, water is not healthy. You can't trust bottled water. Protect you and you family by educating yourself on what they are doing to our food and water. Get a water filter system, eat organic, stay away from GMO food,no meat, milk or other food with hormones or anti-biotics and don't trust anything the government says. You can bet there is a special interest of big business to make money behind it. I don't trust the government on anything!! We have to take control of our own health in anyway possible through natural means.
Has anyone given thought to this country being a democracy
that allows its citizens to express their desires through the electoral process and holding elected representatives accountable to the people they represent? We're talking about WATER- a natural resource that is a necessity for life itself! If enough Americans insists, clean water will become the public Health/Safety issue that it should be. The entities that have reaped profits from despoiling OUR WATER can be made to shoulder some of the burden of cleaning up our water supply. It is no longer chic to sip purchased bottled water as it once was. Water is essential to life. We can no longer move to some pristine wilderness area and kneel at a stream to get a drink of water. I believe that our country is technologically advanced enough
to ensure safe,potable water for its citizens. Long after all the OIL has been depleted we will still need to drink H2O to live.
Future wars may be fought for this life-sustaining fluid.
It has happened in the past. Wake up America! This Land and the Water on it belongs to You and Me!
We are a demcracy? A Democracy has a Constitution, which is the SUPREME law of the land. Every elected official in Washington swears an oath, to protect and uphold the Constitution. Our broken Constitution, proclaimed by our current president, to be nothing more than a G-damn piece of paper was written to be the foundation of our Democracy. Our foundation has fallen apart and we are wallowing in the rubble, for indeed, our current president is correct about one thing. Our Constitution is just a piece of paper,___ meaningless writing. I'm sorry LONGINUS, you are correct about what we should be able to do, but wrong about our political system being a Democracy. ___ "Houston, we have a problem!"
Glass bottles, folks. Get em recycled.
As a licensed plumber I'd like to clear something up.
There ain't no lead pipes, anywhere. At least not for water.
And lead pipes don't rust, jeepers.
And another thing. Chlorine kills waterborne pathogens that cause disease. I'm damn glad my city chlorinates our water. I drank some water in the Phillipines once and was sick for a month.
This whole bottled water thing is just silly. If someone knows of double blind, peer reviewed studies that show that municipal water is unhealthy let's see them. Until then I will ridicule anyone that says city water is dangerous or "nasty". Unless one lives in Florida or south California. In which case I feel sorry for you on so many levels.