Bottled Water Boycotts: Back-to-the-Tap Movement Gains Momentum
From San Francisco to New York to Paris, city governments, high-class restaurants, schools, and religious groups are ditching bottled water in favor of what comes out of the faucet. With people no longer content to pay 1,000 times as much for bottled water, a product no better than water from the tap, a backlash against bottled water is growing.
The U.S. Conference of Mayors, which represents some 1,100 American cities, discussed at its June 2007 meeting the irony of purchasing bottled water for city employees and for city functions while at the same time touting the quality of municipal water. The group passed a resolution sponsored by Mayors Gavin Newsom of San Francisco, Rocky Anderson of Salt Lake City, and R. T. Rybak of Minneapolis that called for the examination of bottled water's environmental impact. The resolution noted that with $43 billion a year going to provide clean drinking water in cities across the country, "the United States' municipal water systems are among the finest in the world."
While the Mayors Conference fell short of moving to stop taxpayer money from filling the coffers of water bottlers, a growing number of cities are heading in that direction. Los Angeles, which has restricted the purchase of bottled water with city funds since 1987, now has more company. By the end of 2007, purchasing bottled water will be off-limits for San Francisco's departments and agencies, saving a half-million dollars each year and reducing greenhouse gas emissions. St. Louis is poised to ban bottled water purchases for city employees in early 2008.
At the launch of Corporate Accountability International's "Think Outside the Bottle" campaign in October, Mayor Anderson of Salt Lake City described the "total absurdity and irresponsibility, both economic and environmental, of purchasing and using bottled water when we have perfectly good and safe municipal sources of tap water." He urged city government departments and restaurants to stop buying bottled water.
In November, the city council of Chicago, beleaguered by swelling landfills and a stretched budget, placed a landmark tax of 5¢ on every bottle of water sold in the city in order to discourage consumption. That same month, Illinois state agencies were banned from purchasing bottled water with government funds. With 86 percent of used water bottles in the United States ending up as garbage or litter instead of being recycled, switching from the bottle to the tap helps to alleviate the trash burden.
New York City is urging residents to drink tap water, which is naturally filtered in the protected Catskill forest region. In Kentucky, the Louisville water utility hands out free bottles for residents to fill with "Pure Tap." Dozens of other local governments are talking up tap water and are looking into banning the bottle. (See list of other cities and initiatives.)
Tap water promotional campaigns would have seemed quaint a few decades ago, when water in bottles was a rarity. Now such endeavors are needed to counteract the pervasive marketing that has caused consumers to lose faith in the faucet. In fact, more than a quarter of bottled water is just processed tap water, including top-selling Aquafina and Coca-Cola's Dasani. When Pepsi announced in July that it would clearly label its Aquafina water as from a "public water source," it no doubt shocked everyone who believed that bottles with labels depicting pristine mountains or glaciers delivered a superior product.
Despite the less-frequent quality testing and sometimes commonplace origin of the product, bottled water consumption has soared. Annual consumption in the United States in 1976 was less than 2 gallons for every man, woman, and child; some 30 years later, Americans on average each now drink about 30 gallons of bottled water a year. (See data.)
All this hydration costs Americans more than $15 billion a year. The price of individual bottles of water ranges up to several dollars a gallon (and more for designer brands), while tap water is delivered directly to homes and offices for less than a penny a gallon. People complaining about $3-a-gallon gasoline may start to wonder why they are paying even more per gallon for bottled water.
With sales growing by 10 percent each year, far faster than any other beverage, bottled water now appears to be the drink of choice for many Americans-they swallow more of it than milk, juice, beer, coffee, or tea. (See data.) While some industry analysts are counting on bottled water to beat out carbonated soft drinks to top the charts in the near future, the burgeoning back-to-the-tap movement may reverse the trend.
In contrast to tap water, which is delivered through an energy-efficient infrastructure, bottled water is an incredibly wasteful product. It is usually packaged in single-serving plastic bottles made with fossil fuels. Just manufacturing the 29 billion plastic bottles used for water in the United States each year requires the equivalent of more than 17 million barrels of crude oil.
After being filled, the bottles may travel far. Nearly one quarter of bottled water crosses national borders before reaching consumers, and part of the cachet of certain bottled water brands is their remote origin. Adding in the Pacific Institute's estimates for the energy used for pumping and processing, transportation, and refrigeration, brings the annual fossil fuel footprint of bottled water consumption in the United States to over 50 million barrels of oil equivalent-enough to run 3 million cars for one year. If everyone drank as much bottled water as Americans do, the world would need the equivalent of more than 1 billion barrels of oil to produce close to 650 billion individual bottles.
Concerns about this high energy use and the associated contribution to climate change, along with worries about waste, are driving many groups back to tap water. The United Church of Canada is one of the religious groups abandoning bottled water for moral reasons. The Berkeley school district no longer offers bottled water. And after watching 3,000 empty bottles pile up each week, the Nashville law firm Bass, Berry, & Sims has stopped stocking bottled water.
Europeans have long led the world in per person consumption of bottled water. Italy tops the list worldwide, with Italians drinking 54 gallons per person in 2006. Italy is closely trailed in per capita consumption by the United Arab Emirates and Mexico, followed by France, Belgium, Germany, and Spain. (See data.)
Yet even in Western Europe the bottle is starting to lose clout. Rome, a city of many historic fountains, is promoting its tap water. Florence's city council, schools, and other public offices offer only city water. In the United Kingdom, the Treasury and the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs have ceased offering bottled water at official functions. Bottled water sales in Scandinavia are projected to fall because of growing environmental concerns.
Even France, home to Evian, is seeing a sales slowdown. During a 2005 tap water promotion campaign in Paris, the water utility handed out refillable glass carafes. Now Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoë serves only tap water at official events and encourages others to do the same. Total bottled water sales in France fell in 2004 and 2005, but rebounded in 2006.
Slowing sales may be the wave of the future as the bottle boycott movement picks up speed. With more than 1 billion people around the globe still lacking access to a safe and reliable source of water, the $100 billion the world spends on bottled water every year could certainly be put to better use creating and maintaining safe public water infrastructure everywhere.
Copyright © 2007 Earth Policy Institute
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Show AllToo bad Ricster 469 does not leave an e-mail address for himself. I studied Water treatment and his claims are 100% wrong.
F is useful only for children -say under 12- and U would not awnt anything good for children (they have special needs ) to be added to your water or food, ESPECIALLY if they are TOXIC To adults . See recent article in Scientific American finally speaking against calcium robbing fluoride (many studies since the 50's) and more. Dangerous unregulated amounts of F- are put in toothpaste. Children eat some of it cause sugar + flavor appealing to them is added to children's toothpastes. THIS IS A CRIME. The Aluminium industry needed a way to dispose of a class I toxic: they found it here but not in Europe/Japan.
Chris Former Env Eng Stanford University.
PS: few filters remove F-
Two archeological findings stick in my mind, and they give me pause when I think about the future.
1. In France, a Norman sealed casket of water was discovered; it was buried with the body of a Norman nobleman.
The water was probably drawn from nearby stream water over a thousand years past. When it was tested and compared to the purest water distilled through sophisticated laboratory methods, the Norman water was far purer than the distilled and filtered lab water.
2. In Egypt, archeologists discovered an air pocket extant within a the burial vault of a high ancient Egyptian official interred over three thousand years ago.
Again, the trapped three thousand year old air was carefully recovered, analyzed and it was eventually discovered to be purer than the least polluted air produced under the most vigorous laboratory conditions.
We have lost something under the auspices of the communist, socialist or capitalist carbon-based industrialization. And the more I probe, the more I find it to have been a disastor for humankind.
Though mechanization and industrialization have produced many wonderous physical possibilies (for some people), it has lowered the quality of the culture, food, drink, air and knowledge that the average person ingests.
And the cancerous growth of modern industrial and financial capitalism, will most likely reverse the effects of the temporary gifts that it bequeathed us.
For example, allowing for the workings of evolutionary theory, it is likely today's anti-biotics will be defeated by future super-microbes.
dca "who in their right mind listens to these ridiculous kinds of statements saying that this or that at this or that part per million is going to be safe?"
dca if you could take all the pollution that man has committed out of the planet we would still be using these types of measurements. Nature in its self has a lot of toxic chemicals in it. The pollution we've already created is there, we have to have some kind of measurement system to ensure relative safety and to continue father research to see if we need to strive for a better baseline.
What's really cool about this whole mess we've made so far is nature is capable of cleaning up what we have done. Take's time but most of the toxic chemicals are breaking down and becoming less toxic. What we need to do now is minimize pollution in the environment as much as we can. There are sites where nature needs our help and we need to go in and clean them up.
We will never be able to eliminate pollution, even if we went back to living in the wild, but we can keep it at an absolute minimum.
Yes, of course, people who do not have access to tap or filtered water, any more relatively clean water, people drinking water which will not support life for any real amount of time, water that will kill them pretty fast (how many children in the world are dying of diarrhea from contaminated water every day?)-- that is completely horrific.
Yes, again, there are other ways to remove toxic bacteria from water than by using chlorine. From what I have read, people in areas in Africa, also have problems with their water being contaminated with toxic chemicals related to hundreds of years of wars and colonial and neocolonial exploitation, right? Not just problems with bacterial contamination.
Oh, and the concern by many is not just with the length of life, but also with the quality of life. Someone might live a long time, but end up with cancer from some contaminant or another, possibly? And, many might live through having cancer, or live longer, these days than they may have in the past, is what some argue. In any case, when attempting to evaluate health and longevity trends, there are many factors one has to take into consideration, right? Diet and nutrition, exercise, lifestyle, environment and so forth. And water quality would be one of these factors as well.
Oh yeah, I forgot about all of these chemicals from prescription drugs being in the water as well! Yep, and other estrogenic chemicals from agriculture, pesticides/herbicides. So much so, apparently, that male frogs and fish are being born with reproductive abnormalities, males are being born with ovaries, are being feminized. Folks joke that men here in the U.S. are getting a sex change without even knowing it from drinking the water.
Someone asked where are the numbers, or something along the lines. Do your own homework. There are tons of studies out there showing how this or that chemical is carcinogenic. And some of us are not just concerned with how water pollution may be affecting our own or human health, but are also concerned with how water pollution is negatively affecting wildlife as well. Things which may not be as harmful to us in smaller doses can absolutely negatively impact wildlife, smaller organisms. And despite what some might like to believe, we are dependent on the natural world and lots of little, tiny things. And again, different toxic chemicals/substances can accumulate in the body over time, and who in their right mind listens to these ridiculous kinds of statements saying that this or that at this or that part per million is going to be safe? These kinds of environmental assessments, from what I have read, are not the kinds of assessments folks should be using anyway. Think I read that this common way many do many lame environmental assessments was designed/influenced by industry and is not real environmental assessment. People should be using the Precautionary Principle, and the burden of proving that something is safe should be on the producer of a product/substance rather than having the burden of proving that something is harmful placed on citizens.
I am really not sure how being concerned with water pollution from industry gone wild, anywhere in the world, ends up sounding like just an elitist debate or something. This is absurd. Many of these issues are connected. And yes, the planet is one big eco-system, so pollution in one place can be impacting people and animals across the planet.
PJD "You, Mr. elitist liberal, share the air and water of this earth with other humans and their excrement - and they end up consuming small amounts of your excrement - get used to it."
Well NASA has a filter that will turn our excrement into pure drinking water. It's very expensive though.
I love it. A purely manufactured 'need', the sole purpose of which is to rake in mega-bucks by the retailers, is fading under the focus of reason and truth.
Now. On to selling ice cubes to the Inuits!
corection: It can be estimated that with EVERY breath we take, we inhale, on average one molecule of Caesars last breath.
"when i heard a report that our tap water contained a high percentage of Prozac in it"
It is not a "high percentage" - it is a detectable but an absolutely tiny amount - the equivalent to one pill dissolved in volume of several olympic-sized swimming pools. It is due to the excrement of Prozac takers (and every other kind of drug) who live up river or up-groundwater-gradient from the source of your water (including bottled water). And people down-gradient from you are consuming small amounts of your excrement.
In fact, it has been calculated that there is a high probability that if you are older than 30, you have with 95% confidence, breathed at least one molecule of the air exhaled by Julius Caesar when he said "et-tu Brute?"
You, Mr. elitist liberal, share the air and water of this earth with other humans and their excrement - and they end up consuming small amounts of your excrement - get used to it.
Gollee RICKSTER, all this time I thought we were supposed to have a democracty. __ Silly ol me. __ Some oldtimer said we had one when the Constitution was finally all signed legal and ratified, he said something like, "we had a Democracy now, if we could keep it." __ A Thomas somebody.
So after getting your lesson there, I checked with my college editin of Websters and it reads in part, "A government by the people, either diretly, or by elected repressentatives, who rule by the ruled." That 'ruled' must be us sheep,
I wonder why Bush is attempting to force Democracy on the Iraqis and take what was left of ours away from us?
rickster, unfortunately the branches are not operating correctly with checks and balances and we've rounded the bend to a Kleptocracy...
KEM PATRICK "We are a democracy? A Democracy has a Constitution."
Actually are supposed to be a constitutional republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic
A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens. In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches and the will of the majority of the population is tempered by protections for individual rights so that no individual or group has absolute power.
A democracy is a government were the majority wins/rules wither there right or wrong. So in that sense we are a democracy.
when i heard a report that our tap water contained a high percentage of Prozac in it, i became committed to my Poland Spring for life. maybe it is only distilled or filtered clean but better that than the government numbing me out.....
"But the chemnical cocktail that comes out of your kitchem tap (and shower head and sink in the bathroom!) is potentially just as toxic to you as to the disease organisms its additives are designed to kill."
Water borne cholera from untreated water causes diaherra so severe that without rapid medical attention, it kills from dehydration in a few hours.
Typhoid isn't plesant to get either.
Typhoid and cholera epidemics were common in cities throughhoutthe 19th century.
Any cases of the 0.3-0.5 ppm chlorine or fluoride or that 1.0 ppm of fluoride causing such ilnesses?
Perehaps some unfortunate folks do really have bad water but for most of us the bottled water deal is a giant scam. When I travel, my day pack has a little outside basket for a water bottle. What I put it in for the world to see is a stainless steel container (courtesy of a Drambuie gift pack) on which I have writen "Contains Tap Water - Enjoy your Desani".
Art Wegweiser, Edinboro, PA
balakirev:
You are absolutely right that this is a debate among the privileged.
In Mexico we have no choice but to drink bottled water--except of course for the folks who cannot afford to--which are millions. Many of those millions do not even HAVE tap water. I have been in plenty of indigenous villages where folks do not have running water of any kind--mych less potable water.
As usual, the folks who can least afford to pay for bottled water are the ones that have the choice of doing so, drinking contaminated water--or going without.
There are ways to disinfect water without using chlorine. Everyone seems so wrried about the chlorine. Ask (demand) better methods from our civic politicians. I have fully believed bottled water was a crock from the start. And the realization that it is more expensive than gasoline! makes it worse. If oyur water is bad, you need to demand better service from the public facilities, not go out and be fooled by the bottled water marketers. Spend money on infrastructure and services for the people, and not on your stupid, illegal wars.
Poet "But the chemnical cocktail that comes out of your kitchem tap (and shower head and sink in the bathroom!) is potentially just as toxic to you as to the disease organisms its additives are designed to kill."
Think so then provide a link that backs up your claim. My claim is if you remove fluorides and chlorine from the tap water far more people will end up dying early and living an unhealthy lifestyle. You don't have to go back too far in history to prove that even in this country.
Mr. Albright and Bakliriev,
The large response to this story just reflects the upper-middle class, suburban-paranoid elitist readership of CD - when they're not worring about getting mugged in the city, or wrapping their children in the protective cocoon of an SUV, they are worrying about a bunch of "toxins" in the public water supply.
Like Mr. Albright wrote - show us the data. As far as I know, there are NO differences in cancer rates between communities with public water and those who drink from wells or springs.
Poet's proposal is the worst. It is EXACTLY what the water-capitalists want us to do - and they will gladly sell the expensive purification equipment. Can't afford it? Tough! Just like health care her in the US.
Read balaklirev's remarks.
And I should add - the famously poor public water in so much of tropical-latitude Latin America (but not Venezuela - I found the city water fine there). Is not because of some lack of access to technology or something - it is a deliberate policy decision by these countries as star-pupils-of-unfettered capitalism. (once again, Venezuela excluded) If you want to see the end result of Poet's sugggestion - just visit El Salvador or Nicaragua.
The USA needs to shift from throwing guns, to sanitation technologies, toward the world's disparately thirsty billions.
It's literally a $hITTy (and guaranteed deadly) thing to do anything else, with the direct incontrovertible facts of human waste contamination of otherwise "potable" local waters, and extremes of infant mortality and other faceless deaths
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Itis interesting that this article attracted so many responses.
With so much intelligent debate backed with good data, it is hard for me to add anything without being redundant.
I can only add that in most Third World and many Second World nations it isn't a good idea to drink tap water unless it is a life/death choice. That means the poverty striken majority have no choice but to drink whatever is available. (That's why First World water companies want to buy privatizes Third World water delivery systems: a captured market for a low quality/dangerous product.)
I recently lived in Honduras for a couple of years. And even though I eventually built up my immunity to the local tap water's microbiological pollutants, I would never regularly dring it. We added a filtration system to our home-based water system, but it was still risky to drink it. We could use it for cleaning, bathing, tooth-brushing etc.
I was lucky to have the money to buy U.S. imported bottled water. Even if it originated from US tap water, it was still safer than the local Honduran product.
Remember, most Hondurans have to take a risk and regularly drink tap water. US-backed governments have privatized water systems in places like El Salvador, but the quality of the water hasn't changed; however, the price changed: its more expensive.
So, my dear posters, the tap vs. bottled water debate is mostly a First World debate. For the world's majority, the debate is two-fold: 1.whether or not to privatize public water-delivery systems 2. how to make potable water easily available.
For many Third World people, the quality of the water is beside the point. Why? Because millions of (if not a billion or two) people have little or no access to potable water.
Remember, what is defined as potable water is probably a liquid many of you would not chose to drink.
"Because it'simportant to try to communicate from someplace outside of gringolandia that our water is grabbed by Nestle and CocoCola–at least here in Mexico–and sold back to us in bottles."
Yeah, Nestle now owns Poland Spring water up here in Maine.
Next thing we'll know, Nestle will be convincing doctors to tell new mothers to substitute bottled water for breast milk (as they convinced doctors in the 1950's to tell new mothers that bottled formulas were better than breast milk).
mikec: Thanks for the clarification. (In thr articles concerning Bisphenol A I read 'sports bottles' as meaning those plastic containers with the re-sealable nipple, which can often be found on mineral water bottles.)
You're correct about what I'd term 'toxic background noise' (polluted environments) which can discolour scientific conclusions.
Bottled water points to a couple of problems which most of the genreal public would rather ignore than do something about. Both the tap and the bottlers get their h2o from the same source--but it's what happens to it afterwards that is important.
Bottlers filter, reverse osmosis, and and disinfect with UV light. Then they put the stuff in plastic bottles which in the interest of softness are treated with a dangerous chemical calledf MEP (Exposed: The Toxic Chemistry of Everyday Products and What's at Stake for American Power--by Mark Shapiro). It's banned in places like Japan and Europe and even in China, but not in our laizze-faire USA. Then they sell it to us like some branded commiodity.
Meanwhile, back at your local water department the water is chlorinated, flurodated, and sent through the toxic delivery system immune from the bacteria that might otherwise might lead to dyesentary, cholera, and other water-born diseases. But the chemnical cocktail that comes out of your kitchem tap (and shower head and sink in the bathroom!) is potentially just as toxic to you as to the disease organisms its additives are designed to kill.
The solution to the water supply is the same as to the energy supply--decentralization with everybody taking responsibility for their own production and consumption of such commodities.
For water, everyone should at least have a good filter for their rcoklng, drinking, and bathing needs. Next, drinkiing or cooking water should be stored in either glass or ceremic containers that have been properly washed or sanitized for cleanliness. Such steps are within the reach of most people of even modest means and should be employed to guard health and squeeze out soft drink bottlers from comnodifying such a vital neccesity of life.
Impeachbushco "Chlorine is carginogenic. Google "chlorine in water" and read."
I did and I also noticed who was producing the research. Did you? Most of the articles I looked at sounded like a sales adds. Plus it not the chlorine that the problem, iIt's chlorine mixing with organic mater that's the problem. Well it just so happens organic mater is one of the simpler things to remove from water.
I think to many people in this country have become Panphobic. Let me tell you something right now, you're not going to live forever so quit being afraid and enjoy the life you having right now. The only thing separating you from life or death is a split second.
Heck most of the people in this country nowadays can't afford 35.00 dollars every six months to buy a water filter and that is just the basic unit. By the time you buy all the other filters to eliminate all the other things the sales people tell you should be filtering your talking about hundreds of dollars every six months.
I would be willing to bet that the people who spend their entire life drinking straight from the tap live as long as the people who are drinking bottled water or re-filtering their water.
If the water in your area is less than par tell your local government you would be willing to pay some extra taxes to improve you local water treatment and delivery system. Damn, improving the quality of life for everybody is what taxes are actually supposed to be used for.
In a recent concert, Neil Young declared his sponsor: tap water, non-bottled water. Right on, Neil! Never sell out!
You can go here http://www.ewg.org/tapwater/yourwater/ to find out about the quality of your local tap water in the U.S.
from the website:
Environmental Working Group has compiled drinking water contamination on over 39751 water utilities in 42 states through contact with state environmental and health agencies. For the first time ever, you will see how your tap water stacks up against other cities and towns throughout the US.
http://www.ewg.org/tapwater/yourwater/
This is not just about bottled water. It is about US as a super power and its prestige. If people start drinking tap water the charm and mystique that goes with being a super rich superpower will be damaged.
miftin "Bottled water pollutes the planet and my tap water tastes like rocket fuel."
"How about getting your community to pass a bond issue and updating your water system. There's no reason in the world that people in America should be getting bad water from their taps."
Well this is impoverished eastern rural West Virginia and the best job around here is to work at the local ATK rocket plant. And there's also a big bottled water company just down the road that is owned by a rich, local Republican businessman.
Back in the '60s, a Public Health Nurse came to speak to an anti-fluoride group meeting to oppose fluoride in our city's drinking water. She told us that the money came from the aluminum industry since fluoride was a by-product of aluminum's refining. Since fluoride couldn't be put--by law-- anywhere else such as in the ground or dumped in the rivers or streams because of its toxicity to man and beast, the industry proposed metering it and putting it in the water supply of cities and towns.
Our town just fluoridated our water supply around 8 years ago. I came from a family who didn't break bones and who had perfect teeth. I've lived in this town about 77 years. About a year ago my dentist told me I had 3 cavities and I had a bone scan that showed I had the beginnings of osteoporosis. I told my dentist and he said he'd never believed in fluoridation of the water. I also told my orthopaedic surgeon and he said he'd never believed in fluoridation.
BOTTLED WATER: Some bottlers take their water right from the faucets here in my hometown.
There probably isn't a pure stream left in America. Read up on "pure spring" bottled water analyses.
Oh, this one below is really good as well, and yes(!), talks about the connection between toxic fluoride and aluminum production. I had heard about fluoride and phosphate fertilizer and atomic weapons production, but not the connection with aluminum. Very interesting! This is more from this Christopher Bryson who has written this book, which sounds super interesting, The Fluoride Deception. This other video on fluoride and the atomic bomb, for which I previously posted a link, was an excerpt taken from this one below it seems. This one below is longer and gives more information. Watch this one, if you have not seen it already. This seems to explain very well how this fluoride total junk science unfortunately came about.
The Fluoride Deception (Interview With Christopher Bryson)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7319752042352089988
I wish this site would get its act together. Not only does the edit function not edit, but my last post is apparently being chewed on in a parallel universeª
Why do I bother?
Because it'simportant to try to communicate from someplace outside of gringolandia that our water is grabbed by Nestle and CocoCola--at least here in Mexico--and sold back to us in bottles.
The water that comes out of our taps is anything but drinkable.
I wih this site would get its act together. Not only does the dit function not edit, but my last post is apparently being chewed on in a parallel universeª
Why do I bother?
Because it'simportant to try to communicate from someplace outside of gringolandia that our water is grabbed by Nestle and CocoCola--at least here in Mexico--and sold back to us in bottles.
The water that comes out of our taps is anything but drinkable.
29 billion plastic water bottles manufactured each year - WTF!!!
Oh, I definitely would not drink mineral water after reading different things about how this can be really bad. Did you all see this one below? Here is another related thing I want to know. From where exactly are all of these chemicals in prescription drugs coming? Speaking of fluoride, what is the technical term for Prozac? Fluoxetine or something along those lines? Are they using fluoride in Prozac as well? And if so, where are they getting this fluoride? Are some chemicals being used in antipsychotic drugs pesticides? Are folks recycling toxic waste chemicals in many more ways than people might be aware?
Chicken chokes after testing the water
Mon Sep 10, 10:34 AM ET
BEIJING (Reuters) - Think a bottle of mineral water might have poisoned you? Then test it on a chicken.
One Chinese family on the southern island province of Hainan had just that idea when one of their number started vomiting blood after drinking a bottle of water, a newspaper said.
They fed the luckless chicken the rest of the water to see what would happen, the Beijing News said, citing a report in a local paper. "The result was the chicken died within a minute," it said, showing a picture of a man holding a plastic bottle squatting over the crumpled body of the bird.
The province's authorities were investigating, it added.
Barely a day goes by without some new scandal over a made-in-China product, be it toys, toothpaste or fish, which has raised safety concerns in major export markets around the world.
From Wikipedia: (about chlorine): "It has a disagreeable, suffocating odor that is detectable in concentrations as low as 3.5 ppm[1] and is poisonous.
From the CDC: Chlorine was used during World War I as a choking (pulmonary) agent.
From Wisconsin.gov: Chlorine is a poisonous, greenish-yellow gas described as having a choking odor. It is a very corrosive, hazardous chemical. Usually combined with other chemicals, it is used to disinfect water, purify metals, bleach wood pulp and make other chemicals.
From me: Chlorine kills bacteria and is good at that. Once it has done that, get the shit out of your drinking water (and preferably washing water) or it will harm you. Most filters will do the trick. What's the big deal?
Maybe someone else has some better recommendations, but there are some relatively inexpensive water filters on this site, which look pretty good, to give some of you some idea of what is out there. Again, I have seen less expensive whole house filters in hardware stores that one could probably figure out how to install themselves, or with a little help from a friend, or get a plumber to install. I am trying to figure all of this out myself as well. What is the best option and not too expensive. Hey! My brother sent me something a few years back about how some water treatments can do something to the water molecule, which is not ideal. I will have to find that article again or if anyone knows more about this, I would be interested in reading your comments.
http://www.gaiam.com/category/eco-home-outdoor/water-quality/drinking-water-filters.do?sortby=bestSell...
Hey! Some Canadians are getting some help cleaning up their water. See this article below, if you did not already read about this one. Yes, of course, the govt. should be doing more to give us cleaner water, but while you've got a bunch of not the brightest crayons in the box folks in office who want to add things like fluoride to the water rather than ban it, in the meantime, what are folks going to do? I don't know about the quality of all of these different water filters, but I have seen some water filters in the hardware store for under a hundred dollars. This is still a lot for many people, but it is not a thousand dollars or more, which you can end up paying for some water filters. I don't know, but hope some of this information helps 'til we can get some more sane and more highly educated people in office or get more of the folks in office already to listen, better understand.
There is no lead in any plumbing related to drinking water? Did I read that comment correctly? Surely this is a joke. If not, then why would Ottawa have this lead pipe removal program (below)? People here in the U.S., in many older homes with lead pipes don't really have lead pipes? Or people with copper piping with lead solder, don't really have copper piping with lead solder? C'mon. This must be a joke, right? Cracks me up.
Ottawa to help homeowners replace lead pipes
Last Updated: Thursday, May 31, 2007 | 5:38 PM ET
CBC News
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/05/31/ottawa-pipe-070531.html
Ottawa homeowners with lead water pipes can get help from the city under a plan that shares the cost of replacement.
The city will manage the replacement of the entire length of lead pipe — including the portion on private property that is the homeowner's responsibility — and share the cost with the homeowner through a pilot program announced Thursday.
It will also offer five- and 10-year financing plans to help homeowners cover their $2,000 to $3,000 cost for the work.
Lead pipes are found in around 28,000 Ottawa homes that were built before 1955, the city estimates.
And yes, I agree that chlorine is really bad, and yes, have read that the levels in the public water supplies are not safe, that some folks want to see a ban on all organochlorines, that there are safer ways to take care of harmful organisms in the water. And yes, more people need to read more about toxicology in relation to these different chemicals, seems to be the case.
Some of these folks in these videos (for example, this one below), who are supporting the whole water fluoridation thing, who are talking about how fluoridation has saved so many people from having cavities, tooth aches, saved their teeth, but maybe are not really hearing how this stuff might cause bone cancer, which from what I understand can be quite deadly, are cracking me up. If someone were to get bone cancer from this stuff do you think they would care if they didn't have any cavities in their teeth? Yes, what about the Precautionary Principle? Yes, when in doubt, leave it out!
Fluoride Debate in Ireland
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2341850930683867018
Access to clean water (like clean air) is a basic human right. It seems to me that purchasing bottled water or purchasing a filter is supporting the privatization of water. Furthermore, not everyone can afford either option. If we need filters to drink the tap water, filters should be provided by the municipalities to EVERYONE. If we should be drinking bottled water from another source then our elected officials should let us know and provide us with bottled water. Let's all get a copy of our municipalities water reports and READ them. And let's hold our tap water to the highest standards possible. FOR EVERYBODY. PS....in the 90's i took a drink of bottled water and spit it out it tasted so bad...two weeks later I was diagnosed with giardia!!...maybe that was in the good old days when the stuff really did come from mountain streams....
sukhi and samski--
i'd like to point out that you guys are talking about "nalgene" bottles, while single-use beverage bottles of the kind typically used for bottled water and soft drinks are made from polyethelene terephthalate (PET or PETE)--also known as No. 1 recyclable. the big concern with PET is the off-gassing of formaldehyde, acetone and various other noxious chemical compounds.
BUT--i have also read (sorry, can't cite sources) that drinking from PET containers yields less exposure to these compounds than you get from ambient sources, like breathing your average urban air, or from wearing polyester or dacron, which are also made from PET.
AND--that there is actually a disinformation campaign from plastic manufacturers about PET risks, trying to scare off the environmentally consciensious from reusing intended-single-use containers, when it's (relatively) safe to reuse them a few times.
that's the problem with a cost-benefit analysis in a toxin-heavy and information-heavy world. who ya gonna believe? my answer is to not participate in the bottled-beverage thing any more than i absolutely have to.
Oh, now I remember more of what I read in the past about the history of fluoride. Folks say that the majority of the fluoride being used to fluoridate public water supplies here is toxic waste from the phosphate fertilizer industry, but was not just about the fertilizer industry, not just about having to worry about properly taking care of this toxic waste, but had to do with atomic weapons as well and some wishing to shield themselves from potential litigation related to toxic environmental fluoride contamination from atomic weapons, and other industry as well. Check out this video on this below.
Fluoride & the Atomic Bomb: Harold Hodge's Conflicts of Interest
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=319371121952493016&q=fluoride+atomic+bomb&total=4&start=0&num=...
There are several other interesting videos on this linked off of this same page, which appear to have been posted by the Fluoride Action Network group.
No, from what I have read, naturally occuring fluoride is not great either, but have read that the fluoride coming from toxic waste from industry being put in the public water supplies is especially bad as they are not just putting in fluoride but also lead, radium and maybe arsenic. Also, I have read that fluoride can accumulate in the bones over time, that to say that the amounts put in the water supplies are at low enough levels that it is safe is not accurate as this stuff accumulates in the body, bone, tissues and can cause problems later on, can change the structure of the bones and we could have big problems with this with many folks later on in life, with osteoporosis, and so on. Watch this video with this interview with this dentist on this, if you have not already.
Leading Dental Researcher Speaks Out Against Water Fluoridation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3153312008186362773&q=dr.+hardy+limeback&total=1&start=0&num=...
Every time I see an article on this subject the author NEVER mentions the dangers of drinking faucet water.
Sorry folks, but it's just NOT SAFE!
Why?
Chlorine is carginogenic. Google "chlorine in water" and read.
Many cities in this country fluoridate their water. Fluoridation is DEVASTING to the health. Don't take my word for this. Google it and read. Here in Pennsylvania there is a bill going through the legislature requiring that any community of 500+ people MUST fluoridate.
UTTER INSANITY and SUICIDAL!
Tap water contains all sorts of chemicals and contaminats. Again, google and read.
The upshot of this is that tap water is NOT safe. So, what can you do?
When I moved to my apartment I bought a filter that takes out the chlorine, chemicals, and fluoride. It's the only solution.
The problem with bottled water is that pivatizes and "marketizes" what should be a human right. It crated a two-tier system - clean drinking water for those that can afford it, increasingly bad public water for those who can't.
If you don't think your water is unhealthy, don't "buy" your way out of the problem, organize for cleaner rivers, tighter control of toxic chemicals, and better public water treatment. If your water system is public, keep your water public. If it is privatized, by one of those multinationals, get your local government to de-privatize it, like they did in Lexington, KY.
However, please consider that many of the supposed harmful things in public water are urban myths. The naturally occurring fluoride in natural water sources or wells is often higher than the fluoride levels in fluoridated public water supplies. In particular, New York is regarded as having the best municipal water in the world.
As a licensed plumber I'd like to clear something up.
There ain't no lead pipes, anywhere. At least not for water.
And lead pipes don't rust, jeepers.
And another thing. Chlorine kills waterborne pathogens that cause disease. I'm damn glad my city chlorinates our water. I drank some water in the Phillipines once and was sick for a month.
This whole bottled water thing is just silly. If someone knows of double blind, peer reviewed studies that show that municipal water is unhealthy let's see them. Until then I will ridicule anyone that says city water is dangerous or "nasty". Unless one lives in Florida or south California. In which case I feel sorry for you on so many levels.
Glass bottles, folks. Get em recycled.
We are a demcracy? A Democracy has a Constitution, which is the SUPREME law of the land. Every elected official in Washington swears an oath, to protect and uphold the Constitution. Our broken Constitution, proclaimed by our current president, to be nothing more than a G-damn piece of paper was written to be the foundation of our Democracy. Our foundation has fallen apart and we are wallowing in the rubble, for indeed, our current president is correct about one thing. Our Constitution is just a piece of paper,___ meaningless writing. I'm sorry LONGINUS, you are correct about what we should be able to do, but wrong about our political system being a Democracy. ___ "Houston, we have a problem!"
Has anyone given thought to this country being a democracy
that allows its citizens to express their desires through the electoral process and holding elected representatives accountable to the people they represent? We're talking about WATER- a natural resource that is a necessity for life itself! If enough Americans insists, clean water will become the public Health/Safety issue that it should be. The entities that have reaped profits from despoiling OUR WATER can be made to shoulder some of the burden of cleaning up our water supply. It is no longer chic to sip purchased bottled water as it once was. Water is essential to life. We can no longer move to some pristine wilderness area and kneel at a stream to get a drink of water. I believe that our country is technologically advanced enough
to ensure safe,potable water for its citizens. Long after all the OIL has been depleted we will still need to drink H2O to live.
Future wars may be fought for this life-sustaining fluid.
It has happened in the past. Wake up America! This Land and the Water on it belongs to You and Me!
We had to get a large reverse osmosis type system for our drinking and cooking because drinking water has too many toxins in it from what cities/states add to it, like Fluoride which is dangerous. Too much research, much done in europe shows it causes cancer, brain damage. You will not see meaningful research done in America on health because the medical establishment (AMA etc), drug companies, food companies, big business etc. make money off keeping us sick and in ill health. Our water and food have so much chemicals, prservatives in it that no one knows what it will cause years down the road. Any meaningful resesarch is called quackery to dumb down the public. There is so much more cancer and disease now than ever before because "big business" has found a way to make more money by giving us food that is so unhealthy, water is not healthy. You can't trust bottled water. Protect you and you family by educating yourself on what they are doing to our food and water. Get a water filter system, eat organic, stay away from GMO food,no meat, milk or other food with hormones or anti-biotics and don't trust anything the government says. You can bet there is a special interest of big business to make money behind it. I don't trust the government on anything!! We have to take control of our own health in anyway possible through natural means.
Hi Kem, I've been lurking, do most of my debating on the comcast forums lately. It's nice to to discuss things with other sane progressives but I find educating others to be more of a challenge. Rain? What's rain? We've been in a pretty bad drought here for a long while on the Florida panhandle LOL
For the poster WTF Yes, I have a pool, I inherited this house along with it's mortgage from my Mother after she died. I and my husband barely can make ends meet most of the time and with layoffs and being in a right to work state I can't afford a whole house filtration system, is that ok with you? The only other alternative would be to sell it and it's all I have left of my Mom and Dad so I don't want to do that unless it's a last resort. Besides with the real estate market as it is right now I'd get creamed trying to sell it...
Samski, thank you for providing those links.
Bisphenol A. Component of plastic bottles. Linked to health risks.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUKN0732118720071207
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/326907_plastic09.html
Rtdrury "leads to excessive extensions of tap water networks across huge rural expanses………these networks are huge compared to the costs of the self-sufficiency alternatives.."
"when stand-alone power sources have so many advantages, material, economic, political and environmental."
What are you talking about? I would really like to be self-sufficient; the cost is just way to high for most people. I can see where electric will be in the near future, well 10 to 20 years but water filters. The price of those things has got to drop tremendously. I don't see it happening any time soon.
A custom built system for your own use requires comprehensive water testing just to determine what kind of and how many different filters have to be used. Yes some filters are generic and every system will use them others, like to remove sulfur are specialized and are in addition to the generic ones. Some areas it is more economical to build small custom water systems in other areas it's better to put in a mass delivery system.
At the moment the water system we have is in the hands of local governments and that's were it needs to stay.
Just for your information.
Study Links Fluoride to Bone Cancer in Men
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190977,00.html
Professor at Harvard Is Being Investigated
Fluoride-Cancer Link May Have Been Hidden
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/12/AR2005071201277.html
"The National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), which funded Chester Douglass's $1.3 million study, and the university are investigating why the Harvard School of Dental Medicine epidemiologist told federal officials he found no significant correlation between fluoridated water and osteosarcoma, a rare form of bone cancer."
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has ranked fluoridation as one of the top 10 health achievements of the 20th century, and numerous studies have shown that fluoridation prevents tooth decay."
"Among males, exposure to fluoride at or above the target level was associated with an increased risk of developing osteosarcoma"
"Douglass reported last year that the odds of having osteosarcoma after drinking fluoridated water was "not statistically different" from the risk after drinking non-fluoridated water. But in 2001, Douglass's doctoral student, Elise Bassin, published a thesis using his data that concluded: "Among males, exposure to fluoride at or above the target level was associated with an increased risk of developing osteosarcoma. The association was most apparent between ages 5-10, with a peak at six to eight years of age."
St. Louis has the best tasting water in the country. I've never bought a bottle of water ever since I lived here.
Oh, wait I think I also saw something recently about how some water bottlers may be adding fluoride to their bottled water? Are some also adding something like-- what was it? Calcium chloride maybe?
If most bottled water is the same as tap, there are plenty of reasons not to drink bottled water. Even though bottles are recyclable, many bottles don't get recycled. In NYC there are very few recycling cans on the street, most people are not willing to carry bottles home with them. Also, it is not good to re-use plastic water bottles as they are not made to last. Fragments of plastic break off which you end up drinking. If people are considering using water bottles, buy stainless steel, not nalgenes. The chemicals in plastic nalgene bottles can leach into your water.
I think less people would buy bottled water if they knew there was a reliable/clean place to refill their water bottle throughout the day.
Bottled water? Bottled BULLSHIT.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yNGWn-aWn5g
Rtdrury "Some people claim that minerals in water can be good for us but we were not tapping wells during our evolution so we don't need water as a source of minerals."
No we were drinking it straight out of the natural lakes and streams, which are naturally rich in minerals including fluorides. I wouldn't recommend that now days though. My water department sends out testing reports twice a year listing a whole page of items they test for. Seems based on water quality standards we have some of the best tap water in the country. Hell my understanding is you breath in more pollution through the air than you do from a modern water filtration and delivery system.
If the area you live in isn't producing good quality water then you need to loosen you butt cheeks and pay some taxes to modernize you water treatment and delivery system.
Hell modern water treatment systems today can take some of the most polluted water you can find and produce far purer water than you will find from any natural source. Distillation is the only way you can get pure water and even then it's not 100 percent pure.
The amount of chlorine and fluoride they put in tap water is not enough to do you any real harm. The air you breath causes far more harm than the chlorine or fluoride in your drinking water.
Well water in this part of the country has been polluted by strip mining of coal but even it can be cleaned up.
There's another problem with tap water. The capitalists' scheme to hook people on commodities under capitalist control leads to excessive extensions of tap water networks across huge rural expanses. The materials and energy in the piping, and the energy in digging the trenches, and the maintenance costs of these networks are huge compared to the costs of the self-sufficiency alternatives.
It's like rural electrification. It's wildly insane to run power lines all over the rural landscape of huge continents like North America when stand-alone power sources have so many advantages, material, economic, political and environmental.
Oh, also there was a study in recent years coming out of Harvard which was linking fluoride to bone cancer in boys, if I remember correctly. You can do a search for more on that. Is bottled water the same as tap water? Well, yes, I have read that some bottled water is coming from tap water sources, but then it is filtered? Some of the bottled water is treated with reverse osmosis I think, right? In any event, there is a big difference in straight water from the tap and water from the tap which is then filtered, put through reverse osmosis, right? But, of course, you can get a reverse osmosis system installed on your water system in your house, which might cost a bit up front but is going to be cheaper over the long run than buying bottled water, I would guess. Some household water filtration systems are not that expensive. I have seen things which do filter out a lot of things in hardware stores for not so much. If you get a higher end system then that is going to cost you more, or if you get it from and installed by an expensive plumber.
I have also read that you get a lot more chlorine from the steam in a shower than from drinking chlorinating water, so some kind of filter on the house to filter out chlorine sounds good. Read you get thirty times more chlorine from breathing the steam in a shower than from drinking the same chlorinated water? Fortunately, we have well water and don't have to worry about nuts adding chlorine or fluoride and who knows what else to our water, but then have to worry about other things. You can get lead in the water even if you have well water from the pipes in your house, if you have an older house with lead used somehow in the plumbing. And have also read that if you have hard water with a lot of calcium this can be a problem and you can get calcium deposits in different places in your body, calcium problems with your bones, calcium deposits in breast tissues, I think, from this. Also, related to this, read that many folks, with calcium being added to all kinds of foods as well, and so on, might be getting too much calcium from many different sources. Folks say get a filter or be the filter.
KEM PATRICK "We collect rain water from the roof of our house, …. The collected rain water is filtered through a home made filter before we drink it."
Hey Kem what's the roof of you house made of? It wouldn't happen to be asphalt shingles or how about painted metal. I don't think your homemade filter is going to remove any very small particles from that. Charcoal is a very good filter for large objects and odors but it won't remove micron size particles.
If you're afraid of polluted tap water, be it chlorine, flouride, or gas additives (and I'm not saying you shouldn't be), the fact still remains that bottled water "from municipal sources" = "from the tap". It's not just Coke and Pepsi water brands that bottle from the tap either. Just from scanning grocery shelves, not that I've made a study, it seems really, really difficult to find non-municipal sourced bottled water.
So the huge irony is, unless you work hard to research the source of the bottled water you're buying (and labeling is quite creative), you're still drinking the same pollutants you're afraid of -- just that you get to create ever more pollutants for later (manufacturing plastic bottles is a nasty business) while paying exorbitantly for it.
i have nothing to add to the discussion except to brag that i live in olympia, wa ("it's the water") where the tap water is excellent, comes from a spring in a watershed of mt. rainier, and if you don't like that, you can go downtown and get water from an artesian well whose water has been in the ground anywhere from 50 to 1,000 years, depending on who you ask, and has ridiculously low ppm of any contaminant you can think of. and in spite of all that, bottled water sells as well here as anywhere.
also wanted to mention to anyone who remembers olympia beer's "it's the water" slogan (i think it's still on the label) that oly is now brewed in texas, where it ISN'T the water.
The best way to hydrate yourself is from fresh fruits and vegetables but consuming these for hydration is not cost effective. It's better to hydrate yourself from water than from most any other commercial drink with few exceptions, such as certain tea offerings.
The best water sources are capturing condensate from the air, rainwater, and well water if we are careful to test for contaminants. Distilling these with a solar still should provide the purest drinking water, but distilling water from almost any source will do if the still is properly operated and maintained.
Some people claim that minerals in water can be good for us but we were not tapping wells during our evolution so we don't need water as a source of minerals.
Tap water can have many contaminants. The flouoride and chlorine and who knows what else they decide to put in it or fail to take out of it can be a problem for some people. There can be contaminants from the piping and the mineral content may be excessive.
On top of that, the capitalists eye municial water as a commodity-lever of political/economic power and control over people, like they see energy commodities. The planet needs a plan to ensure that all people can be water self-sufficient.
After excusing those who drink bottled water because they really NEED to for some reason, the rest of us could loosely correlate the era of bottled water to
"the era we went nuts" and "the era when corporations took over our lives via marketing."
But don't look for us to get "sense" about this anytime soon. After bottled water at $1.00 or more came boutique coffee at $3.00 or more. It's been a gold mine operated on the sheer idiocy of consumers who don't seem to know that paying a dollar for a one cent glass of water means that ninety-nine cents plus half a lifetime's interest on it IS NOT IN YOUR SAVINGS FOR OLD AGE.
I was in "Sweet Tomatoes", a soup-salad restaurant just three days ago. They sell their own brand of bottled water to lunch-goers, right next to the free tap. Yes, customers could be seen buying the bottles.
There is "possibly" an upside somewhere in vending, though. Those of us who ever were thirsty in a public place and bought a bottle of water instead of a bottle of branded "high-fructose" corn syrup are probably better off. Even with this, though, some of us still have the "high-fructose" waistline anyway.
Yes, from what I have read anyway, the fluoride added to public water supplies is toxic waste from industry, from the phosphate fertilizer industry, is absolutely not pharmaceutical grade fluoride or the fluoride which is found occurring naturally in some water supplies. I hadn't heard anything about it coming from aluminum can production but nothing would surprise me anymore. I have read several places now that it is toxic waste from phosphate fertilizer production, from cleaning the production scrubbers. You can learn more about this on the sites below. And many think it is a violation of informed consent laws to mass medicate populations in this way. Folks are supposed to give their informed consent before receiving any kind of medical treatment, right? Also from what I have read, fluoride has been linked to dental fluorosis, dental mottling, osteosarcoma, thyroid diseases, miscarriage, brittle bones, osteoarthritis, crystalization of the tendons and ligaments, etc.
Think I also read that fluoride is listed as a toxin on the EPA website between arsenic and lead? Basically, if I remember correctly, many folks say this whole fluoride thing is a big scam, that the stuff being added to public water supplies is toxic waste that someone would have had to have paid a lot to get rid of, but then came up with this scam to make money off it rather than having to figure out how to dispose of it properly. Read the info. on the Fluoride Action Network site below and watch this video featuring this leading dentist linked below as well. I don't know, but sounds about right to me given everything else I have read about all of the scams going on in different areas of the medical sciences. Yes, probably getting a good water filter system for your whole house or sink is the best way to go and there are also some tabletop distilling systems you can get for drinking water.
More extensive information on this as well as another video featuring Martin Sheen, which I want to watch, on this Fluoride Action Network site below.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
Take Action to End Fluoridation!
http://www.actionstudio.org/public/page_view_all.cfm?option=begin&pageid=8276
Leading Dental Researcher Speaks Out Against Water Fluoridation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3153312008186362773&q=dr.+hardy+limeback&total=1&start=0&num=...
Kristina40, where have you been? Welcome back. We collect rain water from the roof of our house, The gutters drain to a 500 gallon tank which has a float shutoff when it is full and then the rain water is diverted to our garden tank. The collected rain water is filtered through a home made filter before we drink it. Works great and we supplliment our well water with free rain water.
The home made filter is very inexpensive. I use a eight foot long section of 8 inch pipe. The water flows from the tank through three feet of cleaned small gravel, like the type used in a fish tank. It then filters through three feet of activated charcoal, then two feet of playbox sand. Finally at the outlet, we use coffee filter type paper to catch any minute pieces of sand and the water tests pure, no obnoxious taste and makes great coffee or mixed drinks. We also use it in our washing machine and for cooking, canning and for my wifes cat, __ who hates me. __ But I love the cat, she has a problem with communicating. She loves me when I fry chicken though.
Edward: Chlorine in your tap water will "off gas" in 24 hours if allowed to in an open container after it comes out of the tap. You don't even have to filter it out.
Fortunately for me, I have my own well water that is of extremely high quality. I've had it thoughly tested for everything, including heavy metals. I also give it away to friends that need it. Our local co-op also has filtered water available to any customer that wants to bring in their own containers. They sell it for 50 cents a gallon to cover the cost of the city water and the filters. There are also some places locally that you can collect your own spring water.
I guess my point is that there are ways around any objections folks may have to tap water. The environmental costs of bottled water, particularly single serving, is immense. We all need to take personal responsibility for our individual choices. Convenience is not a valid excuse for the degradation of the planet. When the power goes out, which it does quite frequently here, my well doesn't work. My solution isn't to go out and buy bottled water. Instead, I'm looking into a solar generator for the well. And I always have some water set aside to fill in the gaps when nothing comes out of my tap.
Don't buy bottled water!
miftin "Bottled water pollutes the planet and my tap water tastes like rocket fuel."
How about getting your community to pass a bond issue and updating your water system. There's no reason in the world that people in America should be getting bad water from their taps.
Canuckchuck "news flash: most bottled water comes from your local tap, usually in a wharhouse somewhere nearby"
How about a garage sized building that keeps a small warehouse full. I have a nephew who set one up and runs it. He's not the owner though. Between him and six other people they fill up 10,000 bottles a day from the little operation. Actually they haven't ever been able to fill up the warehouse. The funny thing about it is they have cold-water fountains connected directly to the city water system that they drink from.
Bottled water pollutes the planet and my tap water tastes like rocket fuel. Maybe I'll just switch to wine.
Detroit is considered to have great tap-water -- but knowing what-I-know of up-stream dumping and contamination (and the insisted/asinine-additions of harmful-chemicals, like fluoride) I'd never 'drink it straight'. Nor would I 'trust' or consume any crap/bottled-water, overpriced or otherwise.
I now live in a rural-setting on private-lake with tons-uncounted of local-sands filtering my water (and I know-well the 200-year history of the pristine-locale being 'industry/contaminant-free'), but I still won't drink the stuff unless it's boiled/steamed first and filtered by Aribica-coffee and paper-filter. Other than that, I drink only 100%-juice.
I suppose next-week I'll read about date-rape drugging or mercury-contamination of those paper-filters, or some-such 'swell-news'.
Sigh...guess "nobody gets out alive"...
Water can be toxic, drink to much of it to fast and it will shut you down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
Water intoxication (also known as hyperhydration or water poisoning) is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain function that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits.
Bottled water is handy though like when I driving long distances or setting through a long meeting. I usually recycle my bottles though by refilling them at the tap. Can't tell the difference.
Edward1793 "Bottled water has one big advantage, it does not contain chlorine."
Yea that's why a lot of people get food poisoning from bottled water in this country and around the world.
Bottled water source of many illnesses
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/4424.php
Bottled water link to fatal food bug
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1094482003
Metromint Issues Recall for Bottled Water
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4057
"We have known about the B. cereus contamination for over two years. They have always shipped the product anyway. This is just the first time we got caught. (This was NOT a voluntary recall.) If you test Metromint you will also find contamination with ozone, used in the manufacturing process. This product is NOT safe. Many people working in the factory in Valencia have become sick and had miscarriages. I am glad the people running this company are finally getting caught. Maybe they will finally clean up the place."
news flash: most bottled water comes from your local tap, usually in a wharhouse somewhere nearby, then is filtered and bottled, and sold for more than gasoline...what a scam!!
Here in wonderful, clean British Columbia, Canada, home of the crystal clear spring waters, I have had to boil my municipal tap water for the last 3 weeks, due to an excess of RAIN, of all things.
still, I would rather boil than buy.
jerry1208 "Now and additional outrage: The City of Santa Monica is now adding FLUORIDE to the drinking water. This additive, which is waste by-product of the aluminum can industry"
Fluoride and water.
http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/general/teeth/fluoride.html
"What Is Fluoride?
Fluoride exists naturally in water sources and is derived from fluorine, the thirteenth most common element in the Earth's crust. It is well known that fluoride helps prevent and even reverse the early stages of tooth decay."
"Though fluoride benefits adults, it is especially critical to the health of developing teeth in children. And despite all the good news about dental health, tooth decay remains one of the most common diseases of childhood."
Fluoride exist naturally in water oh my.
Actually jerry during the processing of water for drinking most chemicals are removed form the water and they have to add fluoride back to it.
Bottled water has one big advantage, it does not contain chlorine. I bake bread at home a lot, and chlorine kills the yeast.
Other than for baking, I drink filtered tap water.
@Kristina40
I gotta laugh at you. You find a "whole house filtration system" too expensive, but you have a SWIMMING POOL? Geeze, quit complaining.
The bottled water craze really took off with a report saying we needed 8 glasses of water a day and that most of us were dehydrated. They forgot to take into account the water in the food we eat. If your urine is clear you are drinking enough.
I have always bought bottled water for drinking and will continue to do so despite the costs, plastic bottle (clear)
pollution.
Why? Because here in Santa Monica, CA. the tap water came
from underground wells. These wells became polluted by a gasoline additive that was carcinogenic, that seemed from leaking gasoline station tanks. The city of Santa Monica started buying water from Los Angeles.
Now and additional outrage: The City of Santa Monica is now adding FLUORIDE to the drinking water. This additive, which is waste by-product of the aluminum can industry, is considered TOXIC and is banned in several European countries and Japan. There are warnings that seniors, people on kidney - diolysiss machines, and infants (?) should not fluoride.
Blanket demands that bottled water, per se, should be banned under all conditions, is really insane.
As is the case throughout corporate controlled America, anything that makes a buck is promoted, regardless of the consequences. Thus the privatization of water, the dumping of toxic waste in to the water supply, the degradation of the food supply, etc.et. all is promoted under the secular religion of greed.
to those of you defending bottled water as a health necessity, I would point out that bottled water has lower standards and less frequent testing than municipal water. If you don't trust your city's water supply (which I find a completely rational opinion, by the way), why in the world would you trust a for-profit bottled water endeavor with no accountability at all? Coke products are banned in India's parliament because of the high levels of pesticides they contained; granted, that's India, where it's even easier for Coke to dick everyone over than it is here, but really now. Trust Dasani? If you're worried about a healthy water supply, get a water filter or find a spring yourself and bottle your own water. Besides, a lot of bottled water comes straight from the tap anyway, it's no different.
megacorporations do NOT have your best interests in mind. don't be fooled.
I used to have a physician in New York City who warned his patients against drinking tap water, because he said there was some evidence of trace amounts of toxins in the water, and there are thousands of chemicals that are never tested for but that can get into the water supply. Yes, much of NYC's water comes from the Catskill Mountains, but there are many possible sources of comtaminants en route, including from rusty lead pipes, etc. Just as some of us try to eat organic to avoid pesticides, some of us choose bottled spring water to try to protect our health. I've been doing so for the past 20 years, and greatly regret the waste of plastic and energy involved (at least the bottles can be recyled). In a toxic world we have to make difficult choices. But just because we're told tap water (or our food, or anything else) is completely safe unfortunately doesn't make it so.
Yeah gimmesometruth, I do use a filter on my kitchen tap but the filters are really expensive for them. I've been thinking about getting a whole house filtration system but they are WAY expensive so I have to wait on that one for awhile...
My local tap water is not very good and there is the "mystery aspect." That is, the municpality doesn't even know what pollutants to look for between industry and the local military bases. Our water is considered the fourth best in the country but I prefer spring water.
Kristina40: can you get a water filter for your tap? Surely, over time that would cost you less than buying water in bottles?
I agree for the most part although where I live, tap water is NOT drinkable. It's gross! I have to filter it just to give my pets, for drinking water I buy the large 2 1/2 gallon jugs. My tap water literally smells more like chlorine than my swimming pool does, you flush the toilet and the entire bathroom smells of chlorine...YUCK. I always drank tap water when I lived in St. Louis and it was fine but here on the gulf coast of Florida, no can do.
You have to admire the entrepreneurial American spirit. Grandpa Clark, who founded the family owned sand and gravel company down the road, came West and thought to himself "How am I going to make a living?" Then he looked down at his feet and said "I know! I'll sell people dirt!" And his wife said "But don't people already have dirt?" And he said "Yes, but dirt from a dump truck is special."
Remember the first time you saw canned air? I'll bet you thought the same thing I did: Why didn't I think of that? I'm pleased to say I've never been able to afford bottled water, but I did give money once to a guy in a brown cowl and a rope belt who claimed he was a lost Franciscan monk trying to get a bus ticket back to his monastery. This country is built on that kind of chuzpah.