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Democrats Choice: Corporate or Kucinich Center?
Longtime Democratic Party activist who had worked with Sens. Ed Muskie and George Mitchell recently sent me an intriguing email. Despite his connection with these legendary mainstream Democrats, he was going to send $100 to the Dennis Kucinich campaign. His note leads me not merely to consider following suit, but also to ask the more difficult question of why Kucinich enjoys the support of only a tiny percentage of likely voters in next year's Democratic presidential primaries?
When his name is mentioned, words like unelectable or radical come immediately to the lips of many people. Yet why should our support for a candidate, even before the primaries, be premised merely on whether he or she can win? I am fully aware that in our first-past-the-post, winner-take-all electoral system, there is a tendency for both parties to converge on the "middle." But middle of what?
Even when one considers all voters, Kucinich's demand for immediate withdrawal from Iraq is the majority position. A late September ABC-Washington Post poll asked voters: Do you think the United States should keep its military forces in Iraq until civil order is restored there, even if that means continued U.S. military casualties, or do you think the United States should withdraw its military forces from Iraq in order to avoid further U.S. military casualties, even if that means civil order is not restored there? Respondents gave withdrawal a 54 percent to 43 percent majority, a commitment that surely would be far stronger among likely Democratic primary voters.
Polling data also suggests that Kucinich's views on other important issues resonate with large numbers of citizens. He advocates extending a Medicare-like health benefit to all Americans, and he would have the U.S. withdraw from and renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement and other trade agreements that have disproportionately benefited corporate interests. Kucinich's healthcare bill has 84 co-sponsors in the House, and his concerns about the biases in Clinton-era trade policies are, as even many Republicans admit, now typical of a large number of voters.
If voters and candidates are "triangulating" in quest of a middle position, it is not the middle of the electorate that they are seeking. The goal of most Democratic candidates seems to be to keep some symbolic touch with the activist base of the party while retaining the good graces of both major media and wealthy contributors. The established media have decided that anything other than a long withdrawal from Iraq, to be followed by maintenance of support bases, is "irresponsible." (This in spite of the fact that a majority of the citizens in this nation that we wish to democratize want us out and smaller majorities even support the use of violence to remove the U.S. presence.) Thus even John Edwards, who admits his vote for the Iraq war was a mistake, cannot promise to remove troops before the end of the next presidential term.
The media with whom the first tier Democratic candidates seem to be triangulating have an immense stake in who becomes president and even in how campaigns are conducted. The major media profit from health insurance and prescription drug ads, corporate trade deals that protect "intellectual property" but not their workers rights, and relaxation of rules on media consolidation. Any candidate with the least challenge to these norms can easily be labeled "extreme," a label too easily taken seriously even by citizens who often distrust the same media that hurl such labels.
The media also contribute to the inordinate focus on elections as about winning and losing. How much major media time is spent on the horse-race aspect of campaigns versus the time devoted to explaining candidates' positions? In addition, the most recent election cycle has been noteworthy for another unfortunate feature, the "money primary." I have seen far more reports on how much money the top three Democrats have raised than on their programs. The implication of course is that money is a sign both of "seriousness" and "electability." Since media benefit from the expenditure of all this money on ads, they have little incentive to explore the implications of the money primary or to explain carefully individual candidates' stands.
Perhaps any contribution to Kucinich is tilting after windmills, but triangulating toward the corporate center did not elect either Al Gore or John Kerry. And if the result of the election is to give us a president eager to prove that she or he can be as tough as their predecessor, we may only be further along a road to disaster. Basing a vote on the electability of a candidate, as determined in part by the media and the wealthy, is to play the role of spectator rather than political actor.
Contributions to a candidate whose views represent the mainstream of the Democratic Party might lead to unexpectedly positive results. Electoral surprises might force top tier candidates to move closer to the base of the party, redefine the political center, and even make them more electable. We will never know if we don't try.


48 Comments so far
Show Alli make only 12k/year as a teacher's aide, but i sent Kucinich $125.
have you sent yours yet?
The 'Money primary' should be an indication to voters that the financially sound candidates represent the greatest corporate sycophants. If a candidate receives more money from big medical or military corporations than their rivals, then this should automatically disqualify them from labeling themselves as a representative of the majority. Yet the MSM takers a reverse position as if to say 'if corporate America backs them, then so should we!'
Good article that gives hope to 'issue based' candidates.
luckylefty: You are so full of NOTHING-to-say that you should go back to sleep.
I sometimes feel so helpless when it comes to promoting Dennis Kucinich, TRUE American Patriot. (And frustrated when I read crap that comes from "luckylefty" and his crowd of nay-sayers.) I write letters, tell everyone I meet about him, give what little money I can, but it never feels like enough.
If ONLY the media were truly "LIBERAL" then Dennis K would be followed to every event he goes to speaking his words of equality, peace, and a TRUE democracy for all. If only his wealthiest supporters would buy full page ads in the major cities for him; if only he were given a fair share of "debate" time; if only the majority of Americans who he could best help were AWAKE!
I await the fifty-page presentation to Congress on the Bush articles. If THAT doesn't get media coverage--then I know we are doomed to yet another four years of "reign" from some elitist. How sad that those he wants to help most are going to vote with the corporate media's choices; thus, committing societal suicide en masse'.
http://www.december152007.com
I hope Kucinich wins. We could all play the period game called "Chile in '73".
It'd be interesting to watch how the American Richfilth, Wall Street, the Far Right, and the Christo-Facsists systematically destryoyed his administration. Don't doubt for a moment that Kucinich is unaware of this likelihood. This is why he lay down and played dead in '04. It is also why he will lay down and play dead in '08. He's a nice guy with a beautiful trophy wife and he doesn't want to die. He does what he can instead. Vote for Leonard Peltier.
Peace.
Vote for Dennis in the primary. Vote for Dennis in the general even if you have to write him in. The democracy you save will be ours. Send him some money. $5 $10 $100
Good Grief, I get it that Ms. Kucinich is a hottie....but why all the crap? 'Trophy Wife?'.....So what is it that was YOUR prize that you are so upset about a guy getting married to an attractive woman, Bubba?
How 'bout this: the "radical" progressive base of the Dems agrees to support the DLC's Clinton as long as Kucinich is her running mate. When they win we hold Hillary's feet to the fire for some progressive changes or else we'll join with the rightwing nuts who will be crazy to impeach her? Voila! Kucinich is President.
gin, you been drinkin' too much gin.
ALSO....
What the FUCK is it going to take to get Kucinich on the front page of American newspapers?! What is it going to take to awaken the American public to the destruction all around them by the Bush group of criminals? What is it going to take to get these bastards behind bars or, better, executed for treason?!
Friends, it is this simple: Dennis Kucinich MUST GET ELECTED Americans who are asleep MUST be awakened–talk to them! Dollars must be scraped from deep in our pockets no matter how much you can find there and given to Dennis K., Cindy Sheehan, and OTHER Progressive candidates.
We must talk, write, call, and slip out of our comfort zones to make the 2007 primaries a Kucinich victory! I believe that this election is even MORE critical than the "anybody-but-Bush" fiasco with "electable" Kerry bailing without a fight.
I really don't believe there will be any turning around the nightmare that is the current U.S. after this election cycle if the Progressive population doesn't fight for their voice and their candidate.
http:www.december152007.com
The "middle" in American politics is the space between the Republican and Democratic parties. By pulling to the right, the Republicans enjoy a rightward shift in national policies, even if they lose elections, because the Democrats continue to chase the moving middle. This is why the middle, and most elected Democrats, are now to the right of Richard Nixon.
Unless the Democrats pull left, the country will continue to move right.
It's true that the MSM and pro-corporate interests have arrogated to themselves the role of writing the short list of candidates from which we are allowed to choose. Any candidate who is not sufficiently pro-corporate will be branded "unelectable" and will fade away (except for their haircut or tongue stud).
But in the end, it is Democratic voters who are pushing the country to the right, no matter what they say their values are when they are polled.
Do a simple thought experiment: identify the Democratic candidate you feel least represents your values on Iraq, corporate power, civil rights, torture, international relations, and health care. Now, if that candidate gets the nomination, will you vote for that candidate?
If your answer is yes, then you have no voting power to pull this country in the direction you believe in, because the candidate knows you will vote against your values. That is what frees the candidate to heed the Washington talking heads and seek the elusive middle.
If you won't vote your values, neither will the people you elect.
Barry
Kucinich____Too liberal, too short. saw a UFO, vegan. How can anyone like that get elected? However, vote for him as a matter of principle as he has more sense and guts than any of the rest of them. Besides, who can predict an election?
celebrity,
luckylefty was merely pointing out the obvious -- that if by some miracle Kucinich were elected, then the corporate oligarchy would either keep him so under siege as to make him totally ineffective or would kill him. That is not an attack on Kucinich, whom virtually everyone at CD admires, but a recognition of the pickle we currently find ourselves in.
The banks attacked Dennis with all barrels blazing, including sending at least three hit men after him when he refused to sell the Cleveland public electrical system. Dennis stood strong and saved the system.
He would ignore the corporate bastards as President too.
Selection the chief executive of our country is not a horse race. We are voting, not handicapping. You will not lose money. You are not betting, you are voting.
When voting you study the positions of the candidates on the issues, then think for yourself, and vote for the candidate who holds positions that you most agree will be the best for the country.
Please think for yourself and do not allow the corporate media to turn the election into a farce.
Although I would not consider voting for anybody other than Kucinich, when I see Americans paying good money to buy clothing and other tangibles that contain corporate logos (not just professional sports team logos) I realize that US culture views corporations as winners that people want to indentify with.
Poltical candidates are viewed much the same way. Candidates not getting military industrial media complex endorsement are considered brand x.
kucinich. extreme conditions merit extreme measures.
Kucinich isn't extreme, the right-defined mainstream is.
As far as voting goes, it's all about D.K and R.P…
As far as an answer to the partisan politics, something about them being running mates tickles me…not likely though. But why not?
I think most people are disillusioned with both parties, I mean if my parents are tired of the republicans then there is something there, but they still wont switch to any of the alternatives Hillary? Obama? Puke.
I think America would welcome a mixed party bid for the presidency. It would seem to come as a relief, an agreement to work together, how refreshing.
It seems like this would be a natural thought, but I haven't heard anyone say it, so it must be so outrageous as to not even consider, but why not.
Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate running that is worthy of my vote. I will vote for him in the primary, and write him in, if necessary, in the general election. No compromises -- not going for electibility, voting my conscience. It's a matter of principle, it's a matter of national security for the Constitution and the voting public. Dennis has stood up to threats in the past, including threats on his life. Yet he carries on, speaks out, continues to press for impeachment without the support of his own party. He is the statesman America needs, but too many are so blind they can't see the forest for the trees.
Why is it that, every four years, the best Democratic candidates, the only ones that a rational person could consider voting for, never have a chance in the primaries? Never get above a few percent in the MSM opinion polls? Why is it that people you wouldn't give the time of day to, let alone have a beer with, rise to the top of the pack? And what about all the potential excellent candidates who can never raise enough money to get to the starting post? Is it really true that of 300 million Americans, the current bunch of Democratic candidates (except Kucinich) are the best half dozen?
Good Article, John.
"His note leads me not merely to consider following suit, but also to ask the more difficult question of why Kucinich enjoys the support of only a tiny percentage of likely voters in next year's Democratic presidential primaries?"
I see you considered sending money; did you, in fact, do so? I sent him $100 the other day, though I am recently unemployed and have no immediate prospects of employement. I also am way behind in IRS payments from 2005 & 2006. I have no federal taxes withhold from my severance and unemployement checks; my small protest to the War enablers. It is not much, but it is what I can do. I also promote DK whenever I can. It does not matter if he is "viable or electable" by MSM/Corporate standards; I will not compromise my principles to get a Democrat elected. No one comes close to meeting my standards for leading this country and the world into the new paradigm of peace and cooperation. War is not an option in conflict resolution: it will not feed the hungry or clothe the naked or comfort the weary. Vote for Dennis Kucinich and create a new way of living that supports global reconciliation.
peace,
st john
mrpickwick,
Why is it? Because the corporate media, working with the rest of the corporate oligarchy, makes sure that is the way it is. Any candidate that does not pass the tests put forward by the Business Roundtable, the Chamber of Commerce, and AIPAC and other elite business or Israeli lobby groups is declared by the corporate media to be "too far out of the mainstream" and "unelectable." If that does not work to keep the candidate in the single digits, then they are asked ridiculous questions in the debates, e.g. about space aliens, and they are pilloried by the late night comedians for the networks and of course by all the print and television pundits.
And if all that does not work, they better double and triple check any airplanes they plan to fly on and never go anywhere without a large group of people to accompany them.
JFK, RFK, MLK...and D J K. The time is NOW, again. Finally. And yes, they will kill him.
Hey, John Buell across the Gulf of Maine. Thanks for this piece. The choice for you guys in '08 is either Kucinich or unending corporatocracy.
I certainly hope you opened your check (I resisted the temptation to write "cheque"!)book to support Dennis.
St. John, kudos to you! I hope Americans like you begin to come out of the political woodwork in ever-increasing numbers in the coming weeks.
If Ronnie (The Charmer) Reagan was still alive, he might say, "There you liberals go again ... talking about facts and reality." Of course Kucinich tracks with the majority of Americans on major issues. Of course his positions line up with Americans' views on Iraq, Health care, the Corporate Culture, etc. He is obviously on the right side of the poll numbers, but (sadly) metrics have almost nothing to do with it.
His supporters have been mystified for years - why can't America see this candidate? The answer is obvious. Kucinich is not preferred for the same reason Obama is. He is strong on the issues where Barack is ... well, weak. He's experienced. Obama is not. He's decisive and firm on his positions. Obama isn't. For instance, Kucinich has a plan to provide universal health care ... Obama's position is soft and unsure. Finally Kucinich sits on the Left. Obama? Not so sure.
HOWEVER Obama is handsome and Dennis isn't. Obama feeds into America's longing for inspiration and charisma. Dennis is kind of dorky. People love the way Obama orates. Kucinich says something. Obama already is a celebrity - and boy do we love celebrities - Kucinich couldn't get into an issue of People magazine. And of course other celebrities just love Barack and Michelle (D. Geffen. O. Winfrey, etc.) Dennis wouldn't fit in in Malibu. It's not his fault. It's ours. We are addicted to myth and personality and Hollywood royalty. Kucinich is merely the best qualified and most reliable guy to get the job done. How dull.
We'd rather dream.
Save your money. It can't fix what's broken
We need a powerful progressive media (in print, TV, radio and the Internet) if we're ever going to elect another progressive president. We also need an authentically progressive political party as well.
Vote Green in 2008.
http://www.gp.org/
friend: Vote Green in 2008
ONLY if D.K. doesn't make it past the primaries would I even consider it. The Green Party's time may come...but NOT in the primary season; it's just too important to vote D.K. this go 'round.
"Basing a vote on the electability of a candidate, as determined in part by the media and the wealthy, is to play the role of spectator rather than political actor."
It's also an expression of ignorance, stupidity and political masochism!
I went to my local board of elections in Trumbull County Ohio on election night 2004 to ask questions about how all the votes get transported from so many precincts to the board? I suspected somewhere along the road the fascists would intercept the tallies and fix the election.
Long story short, each BOE person got nervous with my questions and sent me to their superior until the chairperson of the BOE was in front of me. I had her explain step by step how the tallies make it to Columbus, Ohio for the official and final count.
After all of the bipartisan cooperation of the whole process, she said she would finally "email the election results to Blackwell's office in Columbus" (he was Bush's Ohio campaign manager 2004 for Christ's sake).
She assured me that the official email of all the tallies was sent over a "secure" line. But I laughed in her face and nearly cried, "Are you kidding me? The CIA eats secure lines for breakfast."
I don't believe we have a democratic system anymore, but I will vote green for Nader just to let the facsists know that a lot people out there care about the environment.
walt,
It's not unique to American culture (such as it is) to respond to personal charisma especially in terms of political leadership. I've been aware of Dennis' politics since when as mayor he stood up to utility fat cat interests some 30 years ago.
But I was left disappointed and cold with his responses in the last debate. I didn't disagree with what he said, but he articulated his positions in a way that could appeal to no one except those already converted. That's no way to build a constituency.
Apparently there is no debate as to how wonderful he is. The debate is how can he win. He needs money, he needs TV air time, he needs a campaign manager that can convince him to try to appeal to the average joe. Hopefully all of us will see through this tactic and not think he's ready to go cut down some switchgrass. $100 on my Discover card.
If Kucinich was to leave the Democratic Party, that would be when I would vote for the guy. And only then.
The folly of voting for the 'electable' candidate over one's conscience is that if everyone who says they're not voting for someone because they think they'll lose voted for that person anyway, then that person might very well get elected.
War=Peace: See www.Unity08.com.
Dennis is being squelched because the corporatocracy knows he can't be bought off; they remember how he took a stand against privatization as mayor of Cleveland.
I would like to see him run for president on the Green ticket.
I also agree that too much attention is paid to polls and funding, gossip and name-calling. The news media do such a terrible job, and they have said so, but then they don't change to more substantive coverage. Chris Matthews is the poster boy for political crapola. He judges candidates by how they make him feel; based on his vibe, we should vote for Hillary or Rudy. That's like buying a car for its color. We don't need fact-challenged political coverage and phony debate-interviews; we need INFORMATION!
When I think of Paul or Kucinich actually winning, I also think of JFK. But a vote for anyone else is just a waste, and even if they do not win, a message will have been sent. Unfortunately, too many critters still believe there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats. In Iran they vote for President after the Supreme Leader and his Council determines who runs. Guess we have the same kind of Democracy, just we do not really know who is the Supreme Leader or who is on the Council picking the candidates.
jsc, I looked into Unity08 long ago, thinking it might be a solution. But their founders and major funders represent corporate powers. One of the donors was Carlisle Group (of George H.W. Bush notoriety). Many are venture capitalists. They've already started changing their rules, going from 10 million delegates to 1 million. So guess who will really pick the people to run this country and guess who they will be.
"Basing a vote on the electability of a candidate, as determined in part by the media and the wealthy, is to play the role of spectator rather than political actor."
Is there anything else that really need be said?
I've sent emails to the Dennis Kucinich for president web site offering to volunteer my time to support him. I offered to warehouse and distribute information about his bid for the president. I don't have a job right now and my source of income is a day-by-day question mark, but I do have time. It's been over two months and I still haven't received any reply. I realize that Oklahoma isn't a major player in the Electoral College but we still have votes. I'm starting to wonder why I have seen or heard of any support system here in OK. What's going on here?
safiyyah: "If Kucinich was to leave the Democratic Party, that would be when I would vote for the guy. And only then."
GREAT attitude!! It's attitudes like this that keep this country in chains and dying of starvation. Party hatred over issues is throwing the baby out with the bath water. Grow up!
rickster469,
Go to the website and go to the "state by state" (I THINK it's called) and click on Oklahoma. That will lead you to where you need to go for your state rep's e-mail.
one thing no one's mentioned in these posts is the line from the article, "triangulating toward the corporate center did not elect either Al Gore or John Kerry."
gore and kerry WERE both popularly elected (anyone who doesn't know or has forgotten about 2004 needs to read greg palast's "Armed Madhouse"). that is what's going to happen to the 2008 democratic contender, or any candidate who is able to be popularly elected. as we speak, the republicans are working hard on splitting california's electoral college and undoubtedly on various other schemes for hijacking electoral votes.
in my darkest moments i envision the following scenario:
within the next few months, cheney will step down for "health reasons" and bush will appoint some young handsome electable bush/cheney machine stooge. a billion-dollar media campaign and a lot of backroom deals, all funded with dollars diverted from iraq, will put him on the republican ticket. he then gets the majority of electoral votes regardless of what the public does at the polls in november. cheney miraculously recovers, he and bush are both given cabinet posts, and the bush/cheney dictatorship rolls merrily onward. all of this orchestrated by karl rove from his secret texas hideout.
Its plausible,
except for the part of Bush getting a cabinet job… no way.
celebrity "That will lead you to where you need to go for your state rep's e-mail."
Been there, done that, no response. I've actuality began to wonder if the core Kucinich crowd actuality want to win.
I will tell you right now I will not vote for a republican period, maybe not ever again, and I'm so frustrated with the democrats that I will not vote in 2008 if anybody except Kucinich wins the nomination. In my opinion voting for the greens is about the same as not voting at all. I've sent the message by voting second party in prior years and nobody even noticed.
It's getting to the point that it may very well require a violent revolution to change anything for the better. I hope not, but hope is dwindling fast.
Kucinich has been kicked out of any further Iowa debates. Here's a link to the article: http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/kucinich-booted-from-iowa-debate-2007-12-12.html
There's not much democracy left in the "Democratic" Party. Other candidates should refuse to participate unless all candidates are welcomed. And Howard Dean? Where's his voice on this?
We should not allow the Des Moines Register or any other corporate entity to determine who participates. That choice should be under the sole control of the party itself.
If the Democrats won't stand up for letting the American people hear from all the party's candidates, we shouldn't stand up for them.
welshTerrier2 December 12th, 2007 2:24 pm
Kucinich has been kicked out of any further Iowa debates. Here's a link to the article: http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/kucinich-booted-from-iowa-debate-2007-12-12.html
"We should not allow the Des Moines Register or any other corporate entity to determine who participates. That choice should be under the sole control of the party itself.
If the Democrats won't stand up for letting the American people hear from all the party's candidates, we shouldn't stand up for them."
You're goddamned right! I don't intend to stand up for them.
BeForKids: Thanks for the heads up about Unity08. Ever hopeful, I'll wait to see what happens after fric and frac have been anointed.
I'm still a cheerleader for the Paul/Kucinich ticket. Paul will be 73 or 74 in January '09 and that would give DK 4 years as V-P to gain executive experience and be set up for 8 years. Also, without having a "good" argument, I think it's like Nixon going to China. Much better if a right wing R starts the demilitarization. I know the fear/dislike of Paul's beliefs among progressives but I also think there's a big difference between "beliefs" and how those beliefs translate into action. This is what Paul should spell out to the anti-war left. When W claimed Jesus as his political philosopher, surely someone should have asked for some clarification.
mikec: i thing you should peddle your treatment to Hollywood at least for a made-for-TV saga if not a major motion picture. Seriously. we need another Wag the Dog...my favorite political well, actually media film.