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Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002; In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.
"The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.
Congressional leaders from both parties would later seize on waterboarding as a symbol of the worst excesses of the Bush administration's counterterrorism effort. The CIA last week admitted that videotape of an interrogation of one of the waterboarded detainees was destroyed in 2005 against the advice of Justice Department and White House officials, provoking allegations that its actions were illegal and the destruction was a coverup.
Yet long before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.
With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan).
Individual lawmakers' recollections of the early briefings varied dramatically, but officials present during the meetings described the reaction as mostly quiet acquiescence, if not outright support. "Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing," said Goss, who chaired the House intelligence committee from 1997 to 2004 and then served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006. "And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement."
Congressional officials say the groups' ability to challenge the practices was hampered by strict rules of secrecy that prohibited them from being able to take notes or consult legal experts or members of their own staffs. And while various officials have described the briefings as detailed and graphic, it is unclear precisely what members were told about waterboarding and how it is conducted. Several officials familiar with the briefings also recalled that the meetings were marked by an atmosphere of deep concern about the possibility of an imminent terrorist attack.
"In fairness, the environment was different then because we were closer to Sept. 11 and people were still in a panic," said one U.S. official present during the early briefings. "But there was no objecting, no hand-wringing. The attitude was, 'We don't care what you do to those guys as long as you get the information you need to protect the American people.' "
Only after information about the practice began to leak in news accounts in 2005 -- by which time the CIA had already abandoned waterboarding -- did doubts about its legality among individual lawmakers evolve into more widespread dissent. The opposition reached a boiling point this past October, when Democratic lawmakers condemned the practice during Michael B. Mukasey's confirmation hearings for attorney general.
GOP lawmakers and Bush administration officials have previously said members of Congress were well informed and were supportive of the CIA's use of harsh interrogation techniques. But the details of who in Congress knew what, and when, about waterboarding -- a form of simulated drowning that is the most extreme and widely condemned interrogation technique -- have not previously been disclosed.
U.S. law requires the CIA to inform Congress of covert activities and allows the briefings to be limited in certain highly sensitive cases to a "Gang of Eight," including the four top congressional leaders of both parties as well as the four senior intelligence committee members. In this case, most briefings about detainee programs were limited to the "Gang of Four," the top Republican and Democrat on the two committees. A few staff members were permitted to attend some of the briefings.
That decision reflected the White House's decision that the "enhanced interrogation" program would be treated as one of the nation's top secrets for fear of warning al-Qaeda members about what they might expect, said U.S. officials familiar with the decision. Critics have since said the administration's motivation was at least partly to hide from view an embarrassing practice that the CIA considered vital but outsiders would almost certainly condemn as abhorrent.
Information about the use of waterboarding nonetheless began to seep out after a furious internal debate among military lawyers and policymakers over its legality and morality. Once it became public, other members of Congress -- beyond the four that interacted regularly with the CIA on its most sensitive activities -- insisted on being briefed on it, and the circle of those in the know widened.
In September 2006, the CIA for the first time briefed all members of the House and Senate intelligence committees, producing some heated exchanges with CIA officials, including Director Michael V. Hayden. The CIA director said during a television interview two months ago that he had informed congressional overseers of "all aspects of the detention and interrogation program." He said the "rich dialogue" with Congress led him to propose a new interrogation program that President Bush formally announced over the summer
"I can't describe that program to you," Hayden said. "But I would suggest to you that it would be wrong to assume that the program of the past is necessarily the program moving forward into the future."
Waterboarding Used on at Least 3
Waterboarding as an interrogation technique has its roots in some of history's worst totalitarian nations, from Nazi Germany and the Spanish Inquisition to North Korea and Iraq. In the United States, the technique was first used five decades ago as a training tool to give U.S. troops a realistic sense of what they could expect if captured by the Soviet Union or the armies of Southeast Asia. The U.S. military has officially regarded the tactic as torture since the Spanish-American War.
In general, the technique involves strapping a prisoner to a board or other flat surface, and then raising his feet above the level of his head. A cloth is then placed over the subject's mouth and nose, and water is poured over his face to make the prisoner believe he is drowning.
U.S. officials knowledgeable about the CIA's use of the technique say it was used on three individuals -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks; Zayn Abidin Muhammed Hussein Abu Zubaida, a senior al-Qaeda member and Osama bin Laden associate captured in Pakistan in March 2002; and a third detainee who has not been publicly identified.
Abu Zubaida, the first of the "high-value" detainees in CIA custody, was subjected to harsh interrogation methods beginning in spring 2002 after he refused to cooperate with questioners, the officials said. CIA briefers gave the four intelligence committee members limited information about Abu Zubaida's detention in spring 2002, but offered a more detailed account of its interrogation practices in September of that year, said officials with direct knowledge of the briefings.
The CIA provided another briefing the following month, and then about 28 additional briefings over five years, said three U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge of the meetings. During these sessions, the agency provided information about the techniques it was using as well as the information it collected.
Lawmakers have varied recollections about the topics covered in the briefings.
Graham said he has no memory of ever being told about waterboarding or other harsh tactics. Graham left the Senate intelligence committee in January 2003, and was replaced by Rockefeller. "Personally, I was unaware of it, so I couldn't object," Graham said in an interview. He said he now believes the techniques constituted torture and were illegal.
Pelosi declined to comment directly on her reaction to the classified briefings. But a congressional source familiar with Pelosi's position on the matter said the California lawmaker did recall discussions about enhanced interrogation. The source said Pelosi recalls that techniques described by the CIA were still in the planning stage -- they had been designed and cleared with agency lawyers but not yet put in practice -- and acknowledged that Pelosi did not raise objections at the time.
Harman, who replaced Pelosi as the committee's top Democrat in January 2003, disclosed Friday that she filed a classified letter to the CIA in February of that year as an official protest about the interrogation program. Harman said she had been prevented from publicly discussing the letter or the CIA's program because of strict rules of secrecy.
"When you serve on intelligence committee you sign a second oath -- one of secrecy," she said. "I was briefed, but the information was closely held to just the Gang of Four. I was not free to disclose anything."
Roberts declined to comment on his participation in the briefings. Rockefeller also declined to talk about the briefings, but the West Virginia Democrat's public statements show him leading the push in 2005 for expanded congressional oversight and an investigation of CIA interrogation practices. "I proposed without success, both in committee and on the Senate floor, that the committee undertake an investigation of the CIA's detention and interrogation activities," Rockefeller said in a statement Friday.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a former Vietnam War prisoner who is seeking the GOP presidential nomination, took an early interest in the program even though he was not a member of the intelligence committee, and spoke out against waterboarding in private conversations with White House officials in late 2005 before denouncing it publicly.
In May 2007, four months after Democrats regained control of Congress and well after the CIA had forsworn further waterboarding, four senators submitted written objections to the CIA's use of that tactic and other, still unspecified "enhanced" techniques in two classified letters to Hayden last spring, shortly after receiving a classified hearing on the topic. One letter was sent on May 1 by Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.). A similar letter was sent May 10 by a bipartisan group of three senators: Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).
In a rare public statement last month that broached the subject of his classified objections, Feingold complained about administration claims of congressional support, saying that it was "not the case" that lawmakers briefed on the CIA's program "have approved it or consented to it."
Staff writers Josh White and Walter Pincus and staff researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report.
© 2007 The Washington Post Company



113 Comments so far
Show AllFrankly, I'm surprised he photographs at all.
Seems to me the first original 10 BILL OF RIGHTS, we have 2 left, actually. Amendments II and VII. So we can pack heat and remain as litigious as all get out.
I have been doing all I can to rid us of the criminally insane in this administration, Pelosi, Mdm. Speaker, bitch, she should be so out of there. I view my Rep. as exactly that my representative, my voice as a CITIZEN.
If something does not change, yeah I know, it does not change but honestly I am gone, giving up citizenship, south of France, my 7 pooches, my cigarettes, yeah, yeah, and they can take my money. Not $1.00 of my money to fund any war ever, finis...
Dear America,
Please put down the Big Mac, turn off American Idol, get your fat lazy ass up off the couch, wake the FUCK UP and take back control of your country. The rest of the world is depending on you to save us from your fascist government.
If you wanted to cast someone to play the part of Satan in a horror movie, you need look no further than that picture. He cannot hide it, pictures do not lie.
See that faint yellow-brown line along the horizon? That's the ring around the piss-stained toilet bowl we've been cast into. My advice is to invest in a good raincoat, 'cause its probably going to get worse before it gets better.
P.S. - This country is worth saving, the question is can it be saved in time? Seriously, go out and get that raincoat. You'll thank me next time Dubya has a case of "the whiskey shits".
The picture tells the whole story. The dems and repugs are in this together and we're f__ked.
Bill Moyers had a program this weekend on how the media manages to badmouth female politicians.
This is what a number of people have done in this discussion- complete disrespectful fowlmouthed crap.
Pelosi made a mistake to agree with the waterboarding in 2002. She should have been smart enough to realize that the neocons were telling her things so that they could have her stamp of approval.
These politicians like Pelosi are afraid that they will not get reelected unless they are tough.
Bush has now finally proven that it is wrong to be tough.
Obama is flexible and hopeful and does not negotiate with fear but with rationale.
Pelosi should apologize that she made a mistake- she was out there supporting Bush in 2002 when everybody - except you and I - were doing that.
Well, that erases the last ounce of mystery about Pelosi's refusal to launch investigations of the duplicitous duo in the Whitehouse.
Did you think she was some angel?
Further evidence of the lower level of human beings who now occupy roles of power -- (forget roles of leadership). The "lower order" now runs this country -- and seeks to run the world -- all of it -- regardless of the means.
Go Cindy Sheehan!!
Crush Pelosi!!
Jungleboy:
Nope; thought she was a short-sighted, political opportunist, not an "evil-doer." My bad.
She's just another cheap war whore. She wouldn't have the job she has if she weren't.
Cream is not all that rises to the top. Think scum.
How did both parties and two (maybe 3) of the three branches of government manage to have such unconscious wigged out leaders? We voted for them.
So much for our educational system since about the mid-1950's! So much for a Yale history degree. Yawn.
Soooo.....
I would assume there is still no delusional hope by CD readers of a strong stand by Democrats in Congress to support the constitution and defend Americans' liberties. With a political party so corrupted by corporate interests and led by complascent or perhaps just spineless leaders one wonders how long it will last as a viable voice for common people who over the years have put their faith in it as the party to buffer them from political wrongs.
What a sad commentary on our political state of affairs in Washington, DC.
We're in DEEP doodoo, period.
Beyond what her handlers and the "congressional source familiar with Pelosi's position on the matter" say . . . .
Here's a transcript of Pelosi's interview with Chris Wallace, 7 October 2007 (second set of questions; the first set addresses SCHIP):
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299943,00.html
excerpt:
WALLACE: It's been disclosed this week that the Justice Department, after publicly declaring torture abhorrent in 2004, secretly, a few months later, approved the -- in combination -- the use of head slapping, water boarding and exposure to extreme temperatures.
The president now says that the leadership, the Congress, was fully informed, and that this is not torture.
First question: Were you ever briefed about this policy or the secret Justice Department memos?
PELOSI: Well, in order to know if I'm briefed about it, I'd have to be briefed about it now. What exactly is the president talking about? Yes, let me get my credentials right out there. I'm the longest-serving member of Congress on the intelligence committee, both on the committee and ex officio as a leader. So we have been briefed on some tactics used by the administration.
We, too, are now fully briefed . . . .
But I'd have to see what we're talking about here, because this is -- all I know is what I've read in the New York Times.
Way to go Willybill!
I will sign and send.
Democracy - [Gr.,=rule of the people], term originating in ancient Greece to designate a government where the people share in directing the activities of the state, as distinct from governments controlled by a single class, select group, or autocrat. The definition of democracy has been expanded, however, to describe a philosophy that insists on the right and the capacity of a people, acting either directly or through representatives, to control their institutions for their own purposes. Such a philosophy places a high value on the equality of individuals and would free people as far as possible from restraints not self-imposed. It insists that necessary restraints be imposed only by the consent of the majority and that they conform to the principle of equality.
Development
Democracy first flourished in the Greek city-state, reaching its fullest expression in ancient Athens. There the citizens, as members of the assembly, participated directly in the making of their laws. A democracy of this sort was possible only in a small state where the people were politically educated, and it was limited since the majority of inhabitants were slaves or noncitizens. Athenian democracy fell before imperial rule, as did other ancient democracies in the early Italian cities and the early church. In this period and in the Middle Ages, ideas such as representation crucial to modern Western democracy were developed.
Doctrines of natural law evolved into the idea of natural rights, i.e., that all people have certain rights, such as self-preservation, that cannot be taken from them. The idea of contract followed, that rulers and people were bound to each other by reciprocal obligations. If the sovereign failed in his duties or transgressed on natural rights, the people could take back their sovereignty. This idea, as postulated by John Locke, strongly influenced the development of British parliamentary democracy and, as defined in the social contract theory of Jean Jacques Rousseau, helped form the philosophical justification for the American and French Revolutions. The idea that equality of opportunity can be maintained through political democracy alone has long been challenged by socialists and others, who insist that economic democracy through economic equality and public ownership of the major means of production is the only foundation upon which a true political democracy can be erected.
English settlers in America faced frontier conditions that emphasized the importance of the individual and helped in breaking down class distinctions and prejudices. These led to a democratic political structure marked by a high degree of individualism, civil liberty, and a government limited by law. In the 19th cent. emphasis was placed on broadening the franchise and improving the machinery for enabling the will of the people to be more fully and directly expressed.
Since the mid-20th cent. most political systems have described themselves as democracies, but many of them have not encouraged competing political parties and have not stressed individual rights and other elements typical of classic Western democracy. With the collapse of one-party Communist rule in Eastern Europe, the fall of authoritarian dictatorships in Latin America, and the end of some one-party states in sub-Saharan Africa, however, the number of true multiparty democracies has increased. Despite the increase in the number of countries holding multiparty elections, however, the United Nations issued a study in 2002 that stated that in more than half the world's nations the rights and freedoms of citizens are limited.
Bibliography
See H. Laski, Democracy in Crisis (1933, repr. 1969); R. A. Dahl, A Preface to Democratic Theory (1956, repr. 1963) and Democracy and its Critics (1989); M. I. Finley, Democracy Ancient and Modern (1973); C. B. MacPherson, Democratic Theory (1973); J. Mansbridge, Beyond Adversary Democracy (1982); B. R. Barber, Strong Democracy: Participatory Democracy for a New Age (1984); P. Green, Retrieving Democracy: In Search of Civic Equality (1985); F. Bealey, Democracy in the Contemporary State (1988); T. E. Cronin, Direct Democracy (1989); M. H. Hansen, The Athenian Democracy in the Age of Demosthenes (tr. 1999).
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To willybill:
What is even more disgusting is that we've financed all this with our tax dollars!
I must say I wasn't that surprised by Nancy Pelosi's behavior. But Jane "Homegrown Terrorism Act" Harman??!
Jane "The destroying of torture tapes would be a bad idea" Harman??
Woah.
There is no wiggle room with regard to torure. Either you support the intentional infliction of pain in order to break another human being-or you do not. It's that simple.
Pelosi needs to go. There is no excuse of any kind that will be sufficient. I am-and always will be-completely and totally opposed to torture; and I don't care what the stakes are. Opposed. Period.
I support Pelosi, she was in that room alone without any advisors, unable to take notes and who knows how this info was piled on and it all occured right after 9-11.
Ok so maybe some waterboarding did go on- the government should fess up to it and also just plain admit once in a while that they were wrong. Wrong because of the history of this country NOT doing that and providing a day in court and we do not dissappear people. We need to get back to that and it can only be done if we admit we were wrong.
Pelosi should start the ball rolling- I'll call her office tomorrow- 202-225-3121.
Pelosi has a nice pear.
Pelosi is a piece of shit.
That's why they call them "Vichy Democrats"
Hey! stop insulting the good names of scum and shit.
they both have their place in the universe.
Unlike politicians.
I look at this photo and just cringe! The Chimp's smirk says, "I have you in my pocket." And, what is Ms. Pelosi's awareness of this situation? Well, she looks ecstatic...or?
Secrecy for national security? Or, to repel full responsibility in case shit hits the fan?
What clouded these peoples' thinking on this? Smoke screens, mirrors, slight of hand, or valium in their drinking water?
This is yet another horrifying view of our government at work.
"...waterboarding — a form of simulated drowning..."
WRONG!!! Waterboarding is a form of CONTROLLED drowning in which the victim can't breath in without ingesting water into the lungs and gagging, producing suffocation, intense pain and terror, and near or complete death.
The Washington Post is simply parroting the regime spin by calling it "simulated" drowning.
The deliberate infliction of physical or mental pain or suffering for the purposes of punishment or coercion is torture by definition. Bush lied when he said "This country does not torture." It certainly does! And it is done on orders from the top.
Bush is a war criminal and should be tried and punished. Impeach Bush & Cheney, and indict them plus Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and the rest of the neocon PNAC gang for war crimes!
Long past time to get rid of this treasonous bitch
Well, we can all take another moment now to
HATE NANCY PELOSI!!! UGH!!! HATE! HATE!
and all the other Democrats (Dummycrats, Vichycrats) too.
But a bit of perspective would seem warranted. 2002 was, by definition, months after 9/11/2001.
It took a lot of us far too long to catch on to the real meaning of "waterboarding" and understand that it is not "simulated drowning," it's actual drowning, just usually cut short.
It took a lot of us, most of the country in fact, far too long to recognize how wrong and how dangerous our response to 9/11 was.
Not me, mind you. I was out in the streets for peace and reason the very day after. But most of my fellow countrymen were pretty slow on the uptake about all this.
So, I'm not too surprised if Pelosi & Co. missed their cues, too. I'm more interested in what they are doing today, and I'm not satisfied with that, either.
I really would like to see Cindy Sheehan defeat Pelosi and take her seat in Congress. Unfortunately, due to Cindy's insistence on running as an independent instead of challenging Pelosi in the Democratic primary, I don't think there is very much chance of that happening.
Abbybwood..Not to get picky, but it's more likely we have financed this with our children and grandkids futures..if indeed they have any. I think most of our tax bucks are going to pay the interest that the Rothchilds et al have been burdening this country with for close to 100 years. Or should I say, "financially raping our country with for...."?
As an aside, isn't it possible for the voters in Pelosi's district to RECALL bush's concubine? Hey, Cindy, let's jump on that!
This proves the values of our culture are totally corrupt. Nobody in power will speak against such vile practices, nor protect those the law is designed to protect. And why not? Because they are afraid they will lose votes: they listen to basest among us, the ones who think foreign countries should be nuked, the ones who celebrate "heroes" who torture and abuse and saw off heads. They think they must curry favour with such people to be elected, and since to be elected is all they care about, they curry favour with vigour. We should beware of what comes next - the voters who deliver power will be happy to persecute immigrants and liberals and leftists.
What a damn shame, a few years ago I thought she would be a good president. __ I'm easy, and wasn't as informed as I am since finding Common Dreams.
Ugh! How disgusting. That picture makes me nauseous. Oust Pelosi:
http://www.cindyforcongress.org/article.php?preview=1&cache=0&id=38
WHAT A 4 PLUS DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How long will it take to get her out of the position of Speaker and OUT OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES..
SAN FRANCISCIANS RISE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"In fairness, the environment was different then because we were closer to Sept. 11 and people were still in a panic," said one U.S. official present during the early briefings. "But there was no objecting, no hand-wringing. The attitude was, 'We don't care what you do to those guys as long as you get the information you need to protect the American people.' "
Of course, we're using 20/20 hindsight now, but can we really rely on folks who are so willing to give up on the Geneva convention protocols knowing that they are then giving the green light to the enemy to do the same?
Character matters. At least, it should.
Character? In this Congress? In this government? Well, maybe Byrd, Ron Paul, Kucinich..Ted kennedy (not sure), Leahy, Sanders. Don't we vote these folks in because they know more than the average bear? As our reps, aren't they there to see what we do not and cannot perceive? Aren't we supposed to depend upon their judgement and integrity? Does "panic" forgive that dive into immorality? Not in my book. AND, when things calmed down, they could have come to their moral sensibility and rescinded what was done in such panic and haste. Did they even do that? And, even when they put forth any effort, bush's friggin signing statements voided any progress. And they continued to keep silent. Wait a second, President bush..what's going on with these signing statements. This is not acceptable....nothing...silence! Despicable behavior! NO EXCUSES!
Ok folks, we need to disseminate this information EVERYWHERE. It does not surprise me that the MSM did not mention any of this. So we need to do it! I am sending a copy of this article to everyone I know.
Send copies of that picture with Bush and Pelosi to everyone you know too. I wonder if Bush is a getting a little side action with Pelosi and Laura knows nothing about it??
I was in a panic on the days after Sept 11 too.
I was panicking from a realization that this was to be Bush's burning Reichstag and my countries descent into Fascism would begin in earnest. Someone other than Barbara Lee in our opposition party should have been entertaining the same fears.
My fears were a bit exaggerated in that it is taking a bit longer than I imagined back in 2001, but it is happening just the same.
Anyone ever see any old movies about the Gestapo? Or read any books about the Gestapo? If you wanted descriptions of what 'waterboarding' is, that's all you had to do. Waterboarding was a Gestapo torture ... uh, 'enhanced interrogation' technique.
Exactly how little imagination do you have to have in order not to grasp that being tied to a board so they could easily hold your head under water until you were drowning is not a wonderful thing to be doing to another human being? Nancy Pelosi and the other top Dems sat in a room, listened to this, did not object. And at the very best sat their silently while the Republicans asked for more and worse torture.
Its time to abandon the Democrats. They've long since abandoned us, and also anything decent or good about America. Its easy to do. First, switch your voter registration away from Democrat. Then find another candidate who believes in what you believe in and start working for their campaign. And don't vote Democrat!
I am surprised that no one has mentioned that the most appropriate reaction to this news would be to send a contribution to the Cindy Sheehan campaign.
That picture with Pelosi and the monkey suggests that there is a finger involved somewhere. The monkey has a shit-eating grin and Pelosi looks like an orgasm could be near. Perhaps this explains why she loves him so much. I wish she would just blow him...Maybe THAT would receive some attention from the media. Murder, torture, human rights, veterans care, etc., surely doesn't.
PJD,
I am sure that the Cindy Sheehan campaign is all over this one. We should send this information out to other people and ask that they too contribute to Cindy's campaign.
Amnesty International has a film on 'stress positions' called "Waiting for the guards."
http://www.unsubscribe-me.org/waitingfortheguards.php
Too bad they didn't have a teaching aid for Pelosi and the other Dems so they of such little imagination could actually understand the pain and agony that WE, US, OUR GOVERNMENT is inflicting on people TODAY, RIGHT NOW, in OUR NAME!
To donate to Ms. Sheehan's campaign, go to http://www.cindyforcongress.org/. There are 'donate' links at the top and bottom of the page.
Daniel David: ""
I completely agree.
willybill:
Where are we supposed to send your suggested ballot to?
Thanks,
Dory
The Democrats have been in bed with the GOP ever since Reagan, so why did everyone on the left decide to start bitching about it NOW? Could it be because Republican ideology was o.k. with them as long as it was working?
We were cleverly and carefully conned, but enough of us voted for these people to put them into office. And if there's one thing politicians like to do, it's get put into office. So, if we hadn't been so easily conned iin the first place, none of this would have happened. But now we know. Some of us do, anyway.
So what do we do now? Maybe the first thing we need to do is realize that we've all been tortured, psychologically, for years. We've been subjected to a clever fear campaign designed to make us think that there are terrorists behind every Bush (sorry, I couldn't help it). We've also been subjected to a campaign designed to jack us into a state of depression, basically by taking important things away from us, like jobs and health care and social security and civil liberties and so on, until we can barely think straight enough to go to Walmart and buy something we don't need in an attempt to stave off our depression. Oh, and as an aside, when people get really scared and/or depressed is when they are most subject to turning to religious fanaticism as a way out, and no one is easier to manipulate than a frightened and depressed religious fanatic. Just ask Osama Bin Laden.
And once we understand that we've been subjected to a campaign of torture, maybe we should just stop putting up with it. Maybe we should just stop rewarding our torturers. Maybe we should stop voting for them and stop buying the products they sell.
And, yeah, I've said this before, but maybe we should spread the word about Kucinich, because he's the one we should reward, he's the one who was never involved in our collective torture and/or depression-causing attacks.
Dory..Apologies...somehow the bottom was cut off...ignotzle@windstream.net