Piano Wire Puppeteers: The Constitution, Media & Dennis Kucinich
It's been an odd week. For me, a particularly odd week. But that's another story. So, wait a minute. Iran DOESN'T have nuclear weapon capability??? So, who are we gonna bomb? I want to bomb somebody! Didn't Senator Clinton just vote in essence to give President Bush the power to bomb Iran? If he had done it last week, would that have made her right? I mean, if she knew then what she knows now? Or am I getting that backward? Golly, I'm confused. And what about President Bush? This week, Vladimir Putin, the man Mr. Bush said he "Looked into the eyes of and found to be very straightforward and trustworthy." So much so, he was "able to get a sense of his soul." Well that soulful fella has just successfully coalesced the most dangerous power base in Russia since the Cold War amid rumors that include allegations he ordered the assassinations of journalists and imprisonment of noted proponents of freedom (Oops). Meanwhile, our President's great enemy in Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, that "totalitarian," "authoritarian," "dictator," that "mad man run amok," somehow was unsuccessful in his bid for the constitutional reforms that would have allowed him to be repeatedly re-elected for life...Hmmm? Odd week, you know? Really. What happened to Chavez's "strong-arming?" His "electoral corruption?" His alleged "gagging of the press?" How in the hell could he have lost? I'm sorry, did I miss something? How is it that this "Commie bastard" with 80% of his citizens having elected him in the first place was unable to prevail? Could it be that we've been lied to about him? I mean, Pat Robertson's not a liar, is he? His god wouldn't let that happen, would he? And god-forbid, our god would let the right-wing pundits, left-wing corporates, or our own administration send us a bill of goods!? Is it possible, I mean I know it's silly, but is it just a little bit possible that President Chavez is in fact a defender of his people's Constitution? That, that's how his referendum could fail? And that that's why he accepted it with such grace? A constitution which I have read several times. Quite a beautiful document, not dissimilar to our own. You might give it a read. Oh, I forgot - he's a "drug runner." Let me share something with you. Late one night in Caracas, I met with a couple of fellas, mercenaries I think you call them. Goddamit, I keep doing that. I mean "contractors." They were Brits, their specialty: drug interdiction. These two were no great fans of Chavez. They called him "radical" and expected him to fall to an assassin's bullet within the year. Like him or not, he had the cash to win their acceptance of his employ. And working alongside the Venezuelan military, these two, based in Caracas, had played the mountainous and jungled border between Columbia and Venezuela. A zone rife with paramilitaries, FARC guerillas, and mer...scratch that, contractors. What I was told that evening in Caracas by these piano wire puppeteers was that they had never worked for a government whose investment in drug interdiction was so genuine. "Yeah," said one of the Brits, "I gotta give the bastard Chavez that."But I was talking about the Constitution. Most importantly, our own. And what an odd week it has been. Our culture is engrained with a tradition that blurs the line between what is right, what is just and what is constitutional, with what is a scam. That tradition is the cult of personality. What can TV sell, what kind of crap will we buy. And at what point are we buying and selling our rights, our pride, our flag, our children, and succumbing to meaningless slogans that are ultimately pure titles for un-Americanism. How do we know what's American and what is not? Because John Wayne tells us so? Because Sean Penn tells us so? Susan Sarandon? Bill O'Reilly? Michael Moore? Senator Bull? Or Senator Shit? Ann "my bowel expenditure" Coulter? No. It's our Constitution. We don't use it just to win. We depend on it because it's the only "us" worth being. And because it's our children's inheritance from our shared forefathers and the traditions that really do speak best of our country.
So, here's the question. We got Iowa coming up, we got New Hampshire right on its ass. Do we sell it for electability? If Hitler were the only candidate, would voting for him be most American? Jump on a plane with me. Okay, we're over the Middle East now...Let's land. Take a deep breath.
Imagine the bodies, burned and mutilated, the concussive sounds of gunfire and explosives defining the last horrifying moments of the dying and the dead. Imagine the millions of refugees fleeing through the deserts of Iraq, the babies crying, and the stench of death in the air. Yuck. Let's get back on the plane and head home.
Now, imagine American servicemen dead or broken, returning from a broken military to a silent casket or a broken veteran's administration, to broken lives and broken businesses, broken wives, unspoken husbands, and devastated children. And what for? What have we gained? Al-Qaida recruitment is up. Terrorism is up. Quality of life is down in our country and around the world. While the rich continue to get richer and the poor, poorer and more numerous. And on the verge of recession, we are witnessing the dramatic disassembling of the middle class amidst a flood of foreclosures and unpayable debts. To Osama Bin Laden's infinite delight, we have become a country of principle breakers rather than principle bearers. We are torturers and we too often, imprison only the weak. When our own administration chooses its bewilderingly un-American agenda (For the entitled people? By the entitled people?) over the Constitution in defining American values, principles, and law, Bin Laden laughs at the weakened sheep that we and our representatives have become. High crimes and misdemeanors? How about full-blown treason for the outing our own CIA operatives? How about full-blown treason for those who support this administration through media propaganda? While I'm not a proponent of the Death Penalty, existing law provides that the likes of Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld and Rice, if found guilty, could have hoods thrown over their heads, their hands bound, facing a 12-man rifle corps executing death by firing squad. And our cowardly democratically dominated House and Senate can barely find one voice willing to propose so much as an impeachment. That one voice of a true American. That one voice of Congressman Dennis Kucinich. This is not going to be a sound bite. Not if I can help it. I'm torn. I'm torn between the conventional wisdom of what we all keep being told is electibility and the idealism that perhaps alone can live up to the challenges of our generation. Of the democrats running for President, only Congressman Dennis Kucinich's candidacy is backed by a voting record of moral courage and a history of service to our country that has fully earned our support and our gratitude. And when I say support, I am not speaking to democrats alone, but rather to every American who would take the time on behalf of their children, our planet, and our soldiers to educate themselves on the Kucinich platform. In the recent debate among Democrats in Las Vegas, the candidates, one after the other, placed security ahead of human rights. Benjamin Franklin once said "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." Then, there was good ole Patrick Henry. Remember him? "Give me liberty, or give me death." These were the real tough bastards. The real John Wayne's. These are the traditions we should be serving. I found the debate infuriating, nearly an argument for fascism with few exceptions, key among them Dennis Kucinich. Of course as a strategic politician, Mrs. Clinton pulled out her set of Ginzu knives and dominated once again on "centrist" political strategy. In fending off attacks upon she, the front runner, she reminded the audience and her fellow candidates, "We are all Democrats." Wolf Blitzer asked each candidate if they would support the other should they themselves not be the nominee. One after another, the answer, yes. One exception: Dennis Kucinich, who with the minimal time allotted him, once again rose up beyond the sound bite and put principal ahead of party; argued policy rather than politeness. He has been the dominant voice of integrity on issues of trade, labor, education, environment, health, civil liberties, and the one endlessly determined voice of peace. But is he too short? Does his haircut not appeal? Is he not loyal enough to a cowardly democratic platform? Does he not appeal to the cult of personality? And what if the answer is yes? What if Dennis Kucinich, the most deserving and noble of candidates, the most experienced in issues of policy and the least willing to play into the politics of personal power? What if we can't elect a man simply on the basis of the best ideas, the most courage, and the most selfless service? What does it say about our country when we can't rally the voices of the common good to support a man, like our troops, who would die for us, who would die for our constitution? Who, as mayor of Cleveland at the age of 31 stood up against contracts on his life. Three separate assassins whose intent was to kill him as he stood up for his constituency there. Nonetheless, he carries on. He continues to serve. I've been a supporter of Dennis Kucinich for several years. And I've been torn lately. I've been torn by the allure of "electability." I began to invest some support in a very good man (one among Dennis's opponents) who seems to be finding himself as a constitutional defender, but he's not one yet. He is however, among those that we allow the media to distinguish as electable. But we're talking about the Constitution here. We're talking about our country. I have decided not to participate in proactive support on the basis of media distinctions. I have chosen to pledge my support to the singular, strongest and most proven representative of our constitutional mandate. Dennis Kucinich offers us a very singular opportunity as we share this minute of time on earth. We, the people. It is for us to determine what is electable. And here's how simple it is: If we, those of us who truly believe in the Constitution of the United States of America, all of us, vote for Dennis Kucinich, he will be elected. Could we call him electable then? If so, America will stand taller than ever.
Let's remind our friends in the social circles of New York and the highbrow winner-friendly and monied major cities that support Mrs. Clinton, that this is not Bill Clinton. For all the misgivings I have about our former President, he raised up friends and opposition alike, his great gift as a motivator of interest and activism, of self-education and participation was, on its own merits, a unique gift. But don't underestimate personal agendas, those that initiated NAFTA, betrayed Haitian refugees and gay rights in the military within a minute of his own election. Don't underestimate that part of him when he gives his wife the face of his talent. Don't underestimate the damage her poisonous ambition can do to this country. We can't wait for the benefit of hindsight to service the benefit of Mrs. Clinton's career. Let's raise up men and women of vision, of integrity, of belief in our principles. How exciting would that be to do? How good would that be for television? What if we turned this game around? Imagine watching on television, our country raising up a leader because he represents our Constitution. Yes, good things can be good TV. So, let's give the Constitution another read, shall we? And then decide who its greatest defender would be. I suggest that Republicans, Independents, and Democrats alike will find that they know what's really right in their hearts and minds.
--Sean Penn will be presenting this in person today, December 7th at 1:00pm at The Creative Arts Building, 1900 Holloway Avenue, San Francisco State University.
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163 Comments so far
Show AllCocaine has ravaged the minds.. -uh-.. brains of Hollywood...I'd lay 5 to 1 odds that Sean's dealer made a pre-screed delivery with "super-size" written on the brown paper bag....
Can we get a storefront for people who don't have an "office" . This sounds so bazzare
OK I'll stop saying "handcuffs" and "think Orange" Revolution because it just isn't going to happen, we'd then still have . I'm either not voting at all let them have their damn wars or.....voting for Kucinich. I just cannot take the heartbreak of another Bush/Clinton era. So Kucinich can't debate in N.H. because he doesn't have an office. Give me a break! Then lets introduce a bill saying he doesn't have to or it's illegal to keep someone from debating for that reason. For Pete[s sake somebody think of something! How about pamphlets with Keith Olberman's speech the other night. That was dynamite! Our argument in a nutshell! Put it on everyones web page, everyone's newsletter, take out a page in NYTimes. whatever.... But let's do something!
Dionski,
I don't want to turn this into some sort of debate between you and me, but I guess I have to respond:
Sorry for being, as you put it, ludicrous, but Kerry DID have one of the most liberal voting records out there and he DID come darn close to winning. And maybe, just maybe, if he had run a better campaign he might have actually won, despite the Bush cabal's tricks. Maybe, just maybe, he would have been better off if he'd been MORE liberal and voted against the war, instead of voting for the war. Did he lose because he was too liberal or did he lose because he didn't quite dare to be as liberal as he wanted to be (he WAS a Vietnam War protester, after all)? We'll never know.
If we think there's nothing we can do to get our country back on track, if we think it's impossible to elect a true progressive, we might as well grab ourselves a collective bottle of bourbon and say to hell with it all. And, you know, that's exactly what the powers-that-be want us to do. They love it when we get all nihilistic and fatalistic and so on. Makes it easier for them to keep us depressed and buying junk we don't need at Wal-Mart to alleviate our depression.
But I agree with you about Ron Paul. He's right about the Iraq War, but the reason why he's right is because he's a Libertarian and Libertarians are always against war because they're isolationists.
But he's not for the poor.
Mr Penn,
Lets just face it. Americans are not evolved enough to vote and elect someone like Kucinich. The best we can hope for, is to have a Edwards/Kucinich ticket in 2008.
Maybe by 2012 or 2016, Americans will be ready for someone like Kucinich.
Howvere, if we don't work to get Edwards on the ticket now (along with Kucinich) we may be stuck with H. Clinton (I happen to think she unelectable, so it actually maybe Huckabee or Romney).
More idiocy!
The MSM have written off Kucinich, slimed him, etc. So it is not possible for him to win?
Really?!
Are you going to let the MSM tell you who to vote for? Vote for the candidate you want, and to hell with the talking heads of the MSM. You know they're all right-wingers or right-wing apologists, bought and paid for by large corporations.
Yet I keep reading bilge about how they've already decided. They've decided whom they want - but not how I will vote. I won't vote for their candidates.
If you won't vote for Kucininch because he's been declared 'unelectable,' then shame on you! You know what the MSM are, you complain about them incessantly, then you want to throw in the towel and vote for the candidates they like. It's irrational.
As much as I detest caps:
THE ONLY THING THAT DETERMINES A CANDIDATE'S 'ELECTABILITY IS THE WILLINGNESS OF THE PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THAT CANDIDATE.
Vote Kucinich. Tell the MSM 'experts' to go straight to hell!
Huckabee on the R side was all but written off and now the pundits are saying that he's caught on because he's running a that shows his humaninty and his compassion---maybe, mayube not, but in any case, he was written off a month or so ago SO perhaps our DK may surprise them as well, in spite of their eforts to marginalize and ridicule him.
With Kucinich there is no double speak. He says it how it is. There is NO corporate money, so it is truly 'the people' that own him. He has courage. He has integrity.
My first choice is Dennis Kucinich.
My second choice is to WRITE IN Dennis Kucinich.
If the vote is split in the Democratic party because of this then the blood is on your hands for voting the way you did. By voting for someone that is 'electable' and not someone that is going to do something for America, we the people and the world.
Electable? Try Republican again and see how you like the sounds of that for another 4 years!
Have some faith in yourself and in a candidate that is standing up against the thugs in office now, like the Democrats that took Impeachment off the table.
Keep your money, we want change. We want courage. We want integrity.
Kucinich gets my vote! Only Kucinich gets my vote, there is no second choice.
The only way I will settle for second best, is if you elect them because of your vote for 'electable'.
Kucinich, like Cindy Sheehan, doesn't actually have to win to make a difference. Would having them elected help? Of course. Would having Kucinich get 25% of the votes in the first primary or two send the others scrambling to get those votes? I think so, even if in the end he doesn't win. If you have the chance to vote for him, do so. If he did manage to win the primary, he'd get barrels of publicity from press asking "Dennis who?" and the Repub's attack dogs wouldn't know where to have at him, because they certainly haven't planned any attacks and his record wouldn't be easy to attack short of a "big lie" that Goebbels used.
Craig
Ticonderoga
"Kerry had one of the most liberal voting records out there and yet he almost won, despite his poorly run campaign and the Bush cabal's machinations."
I have to agree:
You left out running against a wartime president.
Yet he still got more votes than any other democrat in history, including Al Gore.
"National Journal's annual analysis of legislators' votes found in 2003 that Kerry and Edwards, respectively, had the first- and fourth-most-liberal voting records in the Senate."
"Americans for Democratic Action; Kerry has a lifetime average of 92. As Republicans note, this is two points higher than Democrat Walter F. Mondale's lifetime ADA average."
Washington Post
"On a number of issues, including support for gun control, gay rights and the environment, Mr. Kerry has a long, consistent record. He has been a strong opponent of oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and has earned a lifetime 96 percent "right" voting record from the League of Conservation Voters.
His lifetime score from the A.F.L.-C.I.O. is 90 percent, while his rating by the American Conservative Union stands at just 6 percent."
e. the People
"In 2002, Kerry was one of the leaders of the Senate filibuster that defeated the Bush administration's proposal to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling."
"In 1998, the League of Conservation Voters gave Kerry an award for having one of the best environmental voting records in the Senate over the previous five years. In 2004, the Sierra Club endorsed Kerry, the first time it had endorsed a Presidential candidate before the party conventions."
Wikapedia
I could go on all day, Kerry is still one of my favorite liberal senators and I am still in mourning about his lose in 2004.
Only a George Steinbrenner would deny someone that came that close another chance at the big prize.
auspiciousbunny,
The best website I've found for looking up voting records is Project Vote Smart. Have you any better ones? I think this is key to researching what our politicians are really doing.
Maybe not, as some credentials worse than dubious.
What if they were to shave off any other candidate's hair, would all of them be proudly (but secretly) carrying the mark of the beast 666 on their heads?
I would suggest people who are undecided at least go to one of the internet sites where you can research your candidates voting record on important legislation. People should at least know what the candidate has really been up to and see if what they say coincides with their actions.
It makes me sick how the media cuts Kucinich out. He has all the credentials any other candidate has.
Sean, Pat Tillman was a fucking hero for BOTH sides of the Iraq war debate.... and which side killed him? When Don King owns both boxers in the ring, the King always wins. The greatest hoax perpetrated against the American public is the Democrat/Republican blue - red show. 300 million and two ideas are "electable"?
Our vetted system of elections only allows the "electable" to win. It's a forgone conclusion... The last idiot to think he was really president ended up with a magic bullet in his head.
Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich would make a nice pair of constitutional guards but if they were allowed to make it to the show.... they'd be blown away with two magic bullets by a lone gunman like Osama bin Oswald... Or whoever the powers that be decides photogenic enough to take the rap. Great rant... but displaying the left/right paradigm as actually existing plays into the power mongers hands and perpetuates the charade of our "electable" democracy. When Clinton wins it will be 32 years of a Bush/Clinton Dictatorship. Nice, eh?
Good luck with your next project!
I've heard about Mike Gravel, too. I'm sure he isn't seriously running for President but what he is doing is taking every chance he has to yell out loud the truth. If any of us are listening or awake and he sparks a question in our brains, he has accomplished what he set out to do. And with his own money, I'm sure. So, we may be witnessing a case of altruism. And I, for one, am grateful. The truth is always welcome.
And, may I say, this post is way too negative. We are in deep dew and need all of the positive intellectual diplomats and scientists we can get our hands on to set us on the right path. Enough nay-sayers.
Peace Czar,
I know who Mike Gravel is, and I think he rocks. He's an American hero as far as I'm concerned, a man who almost single-handedly ended the draft during the Vietnam War with his filibustering endurance.
The most amazing thing about Gravel is the simple fact that even fewer people know about him than know about Kucinich, which is almost unbelievable considering what he's already done, politically.
To be honest there's very little difference, as far as ideas go, between Kucinich and Gravel. I'd be VERY happy with either man as President.
It's a sad state of affairs that most of the poor and middle class in America have never even heard of the two candidates who have offered them the most help.
Sean,
A masterpiece. Did you write it?
How about doing a script with you as Ben Franklin? Cast Jim Cary as King George the Third (only he could do a deraged bushmonkey the right way)
It would be timeless.
pacplyer
For all those who say voting for a third party doesn't count for much, I would say that is exactly the only way to build an alternative base in this country aside from I don't know what. That is exactly how some Greens had gotten seats in Europe, that is how movements grow. So you're basically telling me you'd like to cop out and not allow any type of movement to grow because you are satisfied with the status quo.
But then I suppose the Europeans must have then had a shred of a wee sense of personal power left in 'em, that's how they got that together, right?
Can I buy a paragraph?
righbt on jmacneil
but when the signal comes 12 million hispanicxs with guns hopefull will kill them all
they never forgot 1847 as they are all taught in 2nd grade
tiume for real revol;ution as per Thomas Jefferson's words
'Term Limits' by Vince Flynn is right on
ticonderoga:
A real voting revolution? EMPOWER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
Mike Gravel's life passion, his reason for his candidacy. Empower Americans to become lawmakers. Representative government is BROKEN. Broke-broke-broken. Bring the people in as the 4th check and balance to create the laws our cowardly Congress will never dare:
www.nationalinitiative.us
Great to hear such ferociously potent words to advocate Kucinich.
Like someone above said, I too prefer Mike Gravel. I'd love to hear a similar statement on his behalf, but I'm glad this is out there to promote the progressive agenda.
Dionski:
Kerry had one of the most liberal voting records out there and yet he almost won, despite his poorly run campaign and the Bush cabal's machinations. To me this is a clear indication that, back then, there were a lot of Americans out there who were open to progressive ideas. And now, almost four years later, things have gotten much worse and people perhaps are, as a consequence, much more interested in progressive ideas. You know, knee-jerk reaction time. So maybe, if we try, we can elect Dennis. Sure can't if we don't try.
After all, we just might be ready for a revolution, a voting revolution. I mean, how do Communist revolutions start? What triggers them? It's when the wealthy take too much from the poor, isn't it? And then the poor finally say "We've had enough!" Maybe we've had enough, finally, so we can risk voting for the candidate we really want.
Aren't you all sub-estimating the strength of the net?
This story currently has only 9 diggs and 2 stumbles...
What can we do to help?
The story needs to be dug, stumbled, propelled, stuck on myspace, hi5, etc... We can add it to all the social networking sites we already belong to, register in as many new social networks as we can and add it too. Email our friends asking them to do the same thing.
We can blog about it, link to it from our Websites, google the title repeatedly (brings it up in the google searches so people who are looking to see what's popular will see it too), use it as our signature in all the forums we belong to, create forum threads about it.
Those are just some ideas of things we can do to push the topic and alert other Internet users. If anyone has more ideas to contribute, I'll be happy to do my share.
Just my $0.02.
I'm not even American but what's right is right wherever you were born.
If everyone who truly respected DK, actually voted for him--he still wouldn't win. Even the mainstream puppets Gore and Kerry couldn't get enough votes against the joke that is W to keep the elections out of reach of larceny. This country is (unfortunately) solidly way, way, way to the right of the likes of DK.
Edwards has a message that could conceivably have crossover appeal. If he can't gain enough traction, I'll default to Obama. But, let's face it. This country is probably beyond redemption at this point. No amount of subtle tweaking is going to create something benign out of this mess. Amerika is a failed experiment and the world has tolerated its malignant existence for far too long.
Sorry to use the word "other" four times in one paragraph.
Gabrielle; You are my new hero! Very well said.
Bravo, Bravo! At least almost all of us want DK in the White House. We must convince the 'undeciders' to vote for Kucinich in state primaries and in the presidential election next year. We have to convince the other folks not to waste their votes on Clinton, Obama, Edwards, or the others, and that the corrupt MainStreamMedia monopolists want the other candidates, especially the first two, running against (actually alongside) the Repugnant candidate of the so-called other party in order to maintain an ever-growing fascist dictatorship.
srsell38; Thank you for the compliment. I've expressed the same feelings many times in some of my comments.
By the way, CDer's... Professor William Hudson, University of Missouri, is an economic adviser to our hero, Dennis Kucinich, and if you have never read or heard Mr. Hudson speak, go to...gunsandbutter.net, and check out Bonnie's interviews. You can also send away for the tapes. (highly recommended)
That's great, claudius! Maybe we can't win, I don't know, but we have to try. Bumper stickers, talk to people, write reader editorials to our local papers, donate what we can, talk Sean Penn into making a movie about Kucinich or starting up a rock concert to get him some fame, whatever.
And you know, we won't be wasting our time or our vote, for the simple reason that all the other candidates have betrayed us already.
We've got two choices: try to elect, despite the MSM's lack of cooperation, an almost perfect candidate, a candidate who's the best advocate for the poor since FDR, or try to get the corporate flunky candidates that have been anointed by the MSM and who don't give a flying fig about the poor to change their spots. Neither is easy, but I think the latter is impossible.
Peace out.
Ticonderoga,
DK definitely has my vote. And I will try like hell to get other people to vote for him too.
You got moxie, sophia. That, and a good idea. We live in a capitalistic society, a capitalistic society where TV (and movies) and celebrity rule, and publicity is the name of the game. If Kucinich isn't elected President it won't be because the poor and middle class don't like his ideas, it'll be because they don't know he exists.
So, yeah, Kucinich needs a manager, an agent, a big-time agent that'll get him lots of media attention. So, if the MSM won't touch Kucinich with a ten-foot pole when he's on his own, despite his ridiculously beautiful wife, maybe they will if he's part of a huge Live Aid-type concert (remember that one, the one Bob Geldof organized?) with Peace being the name of the game. Either that or a movie. Any progressive movie makers and/or actors out there that want to make a movie out of Kucinich's life? Could base it on his autobiography, The Courage to Survive, which besides being a really well-written book and a riveting portrayal of Cleveland's inner-city poor in the '50's and '60's, clearly illustrates that Dennis is the one Presidential candidate who really understands where the poor are coming from.
Big fat rock concert, with Peace and Dennis Kucinich being the raison d'etre for the concert, or a big fat box-office smash of a movie about Kucinich's life, made with big-name actors, ought to make the MSM sit up and take notice. They'll have to report on it because if they don't they'll lose money, and if it's one thing the MSM doesn't like to do it's lose money.
Sean, you feel like being Kucinich's agent? You did a great job with that article. Think you can get a movie rolling? A rock concert? Something, anything, to get Dennis's name out there. It's got to be visual, though, on TV or the movies, because for most Americans if it's not on TV it's not real.
Sophia, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to email you. Has to be a way.
And, claudius, there's never going to be any proof. If there were proof there would be no need to have an election. Maybe all we need to do is try like hell, and proof be damned.
Question: How do we really know how many voters will vote for Kucinich? In a recent poll, the MSM gave DK 5% of the vote. In another non-MSM poll he stands at 43%. So how do we know that there are that many voters out there who actually will not vote for him? In other words, where IS the proof?
Sean,
Are you out there? Are you reading this? I'm pumped up. I have no other goal, I have not a more worthy cause than to get Kucinich elected. It makes no mathematical sense that there are more poor people like ourselves than rich people like the evil-doers and we still lose. Kinda like the recent Chavez blunder. And how dare we sit on our collective asses and just write blogs while he and his ridicously beautiful wife travel the world, give speeches and endure MSM's pathetic attempt to stifle and humiliate them. His comebacks, however, are almost as ridiculously brilliant as Elizabeth is beautiful and compassionate.
So, Sean. We need endorsers. Obama is taken care of. Hillary is taken care of - thank you Robert Kennedy Jr. - what about Congressman Kucinich? Where are Susan and Tim, where are Brad and Angelina, where are Willie and Annie? I know there are more than just you, although you are the bomb. But where? Time is running out. This is for all the marbles. We need a Yoko Ono "Strength through Peace" rock concert. gacaiola@gmail.com
I love you, CDers...so many thoughtful and passionate comments. I want DK to be our next president. Go to his website, order lots of bumperstickers, slap them on your preferred mode of transportation, change peoples' minds by introducing his ideas, and give them stickers too! Get his name and platform out there, freeway blog that he's the only candidate who can turn this mess of a country around. Donate, especially on 12/15. Peace to you all.
Dr Ron Paul & Kukinich, this way We'd have the control of the White House for 8 yrs with Dr Paul & 8 more yrs with Mr Kukinich-Sen paul has more draw by the fact of being a doctor, over 4000 baby's will draw alot of ladies votes. What we do aboot the beech is demand she/it be prosecuted for non reporting of those millions in illegal campaign bribes r "donations" by the chinee, same chinee BJ Bill sold out to. The resiedent is not to be impeached but tried for treason then the black hood & Hemp Rope-We can all take bets n see if he dumps in his pants when boosh does the dance. Bets r he will escape to that Parquay ranch with Blackwater. Then we could do as the isreali & carpet bomb resident boosh's Paraquay ranch-You notice in the resident press agthering-he actually learned a new word-covert, covert operation & Iran is not to have the knowledge to build a nuke-any yahoo/google search will give step by step on how to build several "covert" nukes-I wonder if he still hears voices from agwd & is this the same one he refers to b y that Gawd damned piece of paper
Well said, Mimirae, Rep. Kucinich is the only viable progressive candidate, apologies to Sen. Gravel. Let's try to support him.
Enjoyed your well voiced monograph on a very decent,ernest man,but he ain't gonna make it dude.The media has already done it's dirty work...making fun of him...reporting sly gaffs at him and his attractive wife,and acting as usual,giving us news that fit to use for toilet paper...instead of pointing out that,of all the Talking Heads up there on the stages they posture from,Dennis is the ONLY candidate that 'gets'it.We are in deep ka-ka in this country.
He has lucid ideas,fine 'core' values without hitting us on our heads with his religious views,and unassailable ethics
as a foundation for his platform.
He is not a smooth-talking,good-looking,smarmy alpha male.
Until this country sees beyond the covers of these tricked out Books of Bluster we are enduring in the debates,until America can finally recognize a person who can take over an office that has been shamed and disgraced and bring it back to it former dignity and luster,we will keep on getting what we deserve.Sub-standard people doing more harm than national good....and the world will look at us and continue to distrust and despise us.
Gabrielle's post(above this one)says it all.
The choice is ours.
Okay, so Sean Penn uses a lot of sentence fragments for stylistic effect. So what? That's only bad when you don't know what a sentence is, and my guess is that Penn knows exactly what a sentence is. Yeah, he'd get a poor English grade in elementary school, but not in a college writing class. And he wrote that article in a sort of stream-of-consciousness way, but that's sort of how Henry Miller and James Joyce wrote.
I thought the article rocked. And it's good to see someone with some celebrity endorsing Dennis, as opposed to Hillary Clinton (How weird is it that the man who made Schindler's List endorsed Hillary) or Barack Obama.
Electability? Dennis Kucinich's ideas are in the best interests of almost everyone in the country, with the exception of really, really rich white guys (corporations), people for whom abortion is the only issue, and the politicians who are the kept mistresses of the really, really rich white guys (most of them). Yeah, you know, the poor and the middle class. Those people. We, the People. And there's a lot more of us than there are really, really rich white guys and kept politicians and even people for whom abortion is the only issue. So he can be elected if we just quit listening to folks who say he can't. All we have to do is vote for him. And spread the word.
After all, what are the real issues for the poor and the middle class? Jobs, a clean environment for their kids, peace for their kids (rich men's sons don't die in wars), and health care for their kids. Every other issue is a red herring, fed to the poor and the middle class so they don't think Dennis is electable. So let's not get so negative we prove them right.
And, yeah, sophia, Kucinich's book was a show-stopper.
thank you Sean for constantly SCREAMING what I am not even allowed to whisper. how will we ever get out of this mess? not with hillary clinton. sometimes it feels like we are just totally f%cked. I still haven't given up on Gore.
www.poetsadiesworld.com
This post gives me hope. There are so many of us who care about working for peace, social justice, economic equality and preserving the planet for future generations to enjoy. As we approach the winter solstice, it is time to reflect and to take inventory. Thank you, Sean for initiating this dialogue. I applaud you for your uncompromising stance in art as well as in politics.
To paraphrase John Prine, I for one will no longer "eat everything that they put on my dish". I refuse to go into the voting booth and hold my nose one more time. I would feel like a traitor, an accomplice—if I were to vote for someone that I knew would carry out the policies of the elite faction that bought the next election. We know all too well what this means. We are witnessing the Dims in action (sic) since we voted them in last November to carry out our political will. They've caved in on so many fronts. In the past year, we have watched as they reallocated funds for the Iraq occupation, abandoned SCHIP, enacted anemic cafta standards (not on par with other overdeveloped nations), resuscitated the Patriot Act, approved the Peruvian trade agreement (they couldn't pull off a South American or a Central American deal, so they're doing it piecemeal), preserved tax cuts for the uberrich,….to name just a few acts of commission. I plan to vote for Dennis Kucinich because he is the only one on the ticket with the credentials to be President. He unabashedly supports security through peace, a universal single payer health care system, cancellation of NAFTA and all so called trade agreements, authentic economic reform, protection of civil liberties, renewable and green technologies, diversity and localism in media, etc. In order to get any exposure in public forums, he has to resort to posing questions to himself. Rep. Kucinich has passion, commitment, and impeccable ethics. He's the only one to have taken exception to Wolf Blitzer's inflammatory "illegal alien" terminology. Yet he continues to be marginalized in MSM. Some would like to relegate him to the "fringe". I contend that he embodies core values of mainstream Americans and people of conscience. A group of my friends participated in a blind on-line values oriented survey. Most of them consider themselves to be moderate democrats. They were surprised to discover that the candidate they were most closely aligned with was Dennis Kucinich.
I don't think we have anything to lose. We are already on the precipice. If we vote Kucinich and he wins, great!!!!! If we are not successful in electing him, then we allow the dialectic that is already in motion to play out. The most merciful thing one can do when a creature is in its agonizing death throws is to euthanize it. I've done this for cats, rats and turtles who have shared my home over the years. The skull and bones cabal is in its last stages. We can either place it on life support and all share in a long and agonizing death…or we can put it out of its misery. The choice is ours.
Doom n Gloom December 8th, 2007 7:26 am said:
Dithering is destructive.
Unfortunately, dithering seems to be all the Democrats in office right now can do.
I believe that keeping Kucinich in the race as long as possible is very important even if he does not end up the candidate. I hope this helps.
Chunga's Revenge December 8th, 2007 1:57 pm
"Bob K - What exactly are you blathering about with your statement about low wage replacement workers? The undocumented workers from south of the boarder are not replacing any jobs that American citizens are willing to do."
Chunga's Revenge - If you don't know by now that meatpacking, manufacturing, construction, janitorial, landscaping, and many other jobs were once good-paying jobs with benefits that were done by American citizens, and are now mostly done by illegal migrant, low-wage replacement workers, you may be beyond help. It's a return to sweatshops we're witnessing -- neoslavery, whatever you want to call it -- and a disastrous decline in wages, benefits and standard of living for all working-class American citizens.
In any event, here are some links to reports from two good, well-informed progressives who have written clearly on these issues. I recommend these articles highly.
David Podvin:
"The Rape of the Working Class"
democrats.com, April 24, 2006
http://www.democrats.com/node/8697
"Comprehensive Moral Squalor"
makethemaccountable.com, September 3, 2007
http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/060610_ComprehensiveMoralSqual
or.htm
"Labor Day"
makethemaccountable.com, June 10, 2006
http://makethemaccountable.com/index.php/2007/09/03/david-podvin-labor-day/
Thom Hartmann:
Today's Immigration Battle: Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)
truthout.org, March 29, 2006
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/58/18762
Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"
CommonDreams.org, July 5, 2006
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0705-23.htm
Supporting Edwards is supporting the elite. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations...seemingly benign but is not. So are John Bolton, George H W Walker Bush, Dick cheney, Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice..to name a very few. The CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs, Illuminati...etc etc..All made up of the power elite that spans the globe and they have an agenda and it has nothing to do with the welfare of the 'common people' which is their eyes are their expendable work force. Search these groups and the many more than I listed. Some members belong to more than one of these groups. Bill Clinton by the way has been a Bilderberg member since 1991..Check out the membership lists.
Start with
http://www.bilderberg.org/bilderberg2007.pdf
Dennis Kucinich is not a member of any of them. The only decent 100% American with the integrity and values that this country is now lacking thanks to years of these societies that have trashed all they have touched.
Sean Penn, Thanks for writing on Common Dreams. The Sf Chronical had the article on you in today's paper with the Kucinich sign in the background. As you could see by the Common Dreamer's response on Kucinich being our next president, this momentum for supporting and endorsing Dennis has been ongoing all along. We will be writing in or voting for him in the primaries and on election day. No more lesser of two evils.
Alaskanfront, I like your posts. I've been a vegetarian since 68, and even if Kucinich was a "meat eater", I'd vote for him because the other candidates are "cannibals", eating their own, by comparison. You know what I mean.
Kucinich in 2008! President of the United States. Keep up the support, my fellow Americans! .
Thank goodness I just got a small raise so I can finally donate the $100 to the Kucinich campaign that I've been wanting to. If anyone who reads CommonDreams is too stupid to understand what Sean Penn is saying about Kucinich, maybe there is no hope for us. But I remain optimistic because I have nothing else to hold onto. If Penn's free-form is too radical for you to understand, read Kucinich's book - The Courage to Survive. It is well-written and punctuated and is written in paragraphs and chapters - just like some of these commentators like. Personally, I understood Sean Penn's point and wholeheartedly agree. In my opinion, Kucinich is beyond reproach and is the only choice for President. And we have no time to lose, no time to waste. The perfect candidate is right under our noses and he has to get to work to undo all of the horrendous atrocities that have been commited during the Bush administration post haste. There, did I spell everything correctly?
Meet the Couple: Kucinich & Elizabeth--
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/05/politics/washingtonpost/main3578662.shtml
Bob K - What exactly are you blathering about with your statement about low wage replacement workers? The undocumented workers from south of the boarder are not replacing any jobs that American citizens are willing to do. I think you need to do more research on Kucinich's position on the working class, undocumented or otherwise. I do not think you will find him supporting the replacement of willing, well paid Americans with low wage immigrants. And don't even get me started on who exactly the immigrants are on this American continent that was inhabited by brown skinned people long long before it was invaded by light skinned Europeans.
Something tells me this was stream of consciousness, and not a word was edited. I do prefer shorter paragraphs, but nevertheless, well said Sean Penn.
I have one qualm about Kucinich. On the issue of illegal immigration he claims "no one is illegal," which is a rhetorical response of course -- it's actions that are illegal, not people -- and puts him in the camp of those promoting (or at least tolerating) lower wages and benefits for working Americans, and the destruction of our middle class. Kucinich says he cares about working class issues, but then argues we should continue to flood the job market with low-wage replacement workers.
To me, this is a red flag warning that Kucinich's judgment is suspect. If he can be so wrong about such an important issue, what else is he wrong about? And frankly, it leaves me with no one to vote for.
"As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields."
~Tolstoy~
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/25/2754/
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals."
~Gandhi~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWKnzG3q9ag&feature=related
VOTE DENNIS KUCINICH!
FIRST VEGAN PRESIDENT!
DOGS SHOULD RULE THE WORLD!
THEY NEVER LIE ABOUT LOVE!
HUMANS ARE BRUTAL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWKnzG3q9ag&feature=related
REMEMBER… DENNIS KUCINICH TRULY WALKS THE WAY OF PEACE!
HE IS A VEGAN!
I WILL VOTE FOR HIM!
HE IS THE CANDIDATE WHO IS DEFINITELY ON A HIGHER LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS!
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A GIANT LEAP TO CLEAN THINGS UP IN THIS COUNTRY AND ON THIS PLANET!
GRADUALISM IS NO LONGER AN OPTION!
VOTE FOR DENNIS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61nRRTMTK2g
I'm all for Dennis K but this speech HAS to sound better in person.
i dont want to vote for political candidates from the gene pool of lawyers or actors,or freemasons(that last one is a little more difficult to ascertain)however i would make an exception for sean penn and would gladly vote for him,for president because his sense of social justice is highly evolved....doctors seem to have more of a socialjustice type of conscience...so i may vote for ron paul.
Sean Penn came to the rescue of hurricane Katrina victims in my beloved city of New Orleans while Bush was partying in San Diego. I love you, Sean!!You are a stand up guy!!
No individual can make Dennis Kucinich president, even if he IS our last, best hope of restoring some semblence of sanity to this country. Even Sean Penn's passion can't do it. My vote won't do it.
But WE can. OUR VOTES can.
To those who believe the m$m's corporate bullshit about electability, I say, "John Kerry" I voted for Kerry in the national election, partly because he and Edwards promised to MAKE SURE EVERY VOTE WAS COUNTED. Remember?
This time around, I don't think there's going to actually be an election. Bush just sent Congress a budget that slashes domestic security by half. You got that? If you thought our ports, trains, chemical and power plants were underdefended, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Are the Dems up in arms about this? Have you heard anyone talking about domestic security issues? Oh, yeah... Dennis Kucinich... but he's not getting any media coverage....
deep sigh,
Peach McD in Durham NC
Dear Mr. Penn,
News flash paragraph breaks work wonders. That a man of your abilities would dispense with this simple tool is inexcusable.
That said your are doing great work. To make such an impassioned plea for Dennis is heart warming to say the least. If everyone of your stature who agrees with his positions would have done the same he would be way more than electable - he would already be president. So you are absolutely on the right track by trumpeting him as loudly as you can. Of course more people would stick with it if you put a few paragraph breaks in but hey, I understand, all in good time.
I also felt that you did a great job with 'Into The Wild'. I actually didn't like the book and was even a bit annoyed by all of the hype surrounding it. The people I knew seemed to be liking it for all the wrong reasons and that irritated me even though I could identify with the character. Your film gave Chris a humanity and kind of esoteric purpose that the book never did. It was really really powerful. Best film I've seen in a long time.
Now, back to Dennis. We can get him elected, we just have to stick with it. I did a short film about him back in 2004 and have a clip of it on my web site: www.brooktroutfilms.com
Check it out and if you feel inspired to work together to get the country on the right track and to help get Kucinich elected feel free to give me a call.
WATCH THIS!
THANKS SEAN!
"HOLLYWOOD" NEEDS TO USE THEIR PLATFORM AND CLOUT TO HELP SAVE AMERICA!
YOU ALWAYS HAD BALLS SEAN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p917QJJCNc&feature=related
hmm...a man ELECTED to mayor of a major US city at 31, a man ELECTED and ELECTED again, how many times to be a Congressional Representative of the United States of America?
DENNIS KUCINICH looks, sounds and feels with a hand shake ELECTABLE to me.
Attica!!!
Hey Sean I love your acting but even admire your humanitarianism much more.
I have no illusions about the electability of our Dennis.
Deep in my heart I know that he has no chance of winning the big prize.
Kucinich comes as close as possible to exemplifying my ideals and my perspective on life, which is a progressive liberal democrat that just also happens to be a Vegan.
At times it seems that there are only about a dozen of us in the country.
I know the reaction I get from friends and family regarding my left wing politics and my vegetarian lifestyle, they all think I am an extremist and a little UFO weird.
So what chance does our iconoclastic menace have of capturing the white house in the face of all this adversity? Slim to none.
But here on Common Dreams we can still "dream" a deep somnolent phantasmagoria kaleidoscopic fantasy which still haunts me; that we are getting closer to having a President Dennis Kucinich.
I thought Danny Glover was supporting John Edwards:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/15/1207/
Maybe he's switched since that article was written?
Nice one. Kuchinich is the only candidate worth voting for.
In a democracy, you're supposed to vote for a candidate who shares your interests. As several posters mentioned already, his views are the views of the great majority of the people. In a proper democracy, this IS electability.
Next year, when we start witnessing the rise of the next great depression, he might just become much more viable for the masses. Some degree of pain will wake a lot of people up to what's happening.
Sean Penn is the sort of man who, watching the news in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, alarmed and maddened by the inexplicable inaction on all levels of government, simply picked himself up and hitched his trailerable boat to his car and drove directly to the disaster area, personnally saving dozens of people who were stranded and left to die. If our Republic survives this American dark age, it will be because of such patriots as Mr. Penn.
Kucinich is clearly the best. Remember those who are the "electability" experts picked -- tuh tuh -- John Kerry in 2004. The "electability" experts have chosen three warmongerers as the Dems frontrunners in 2008. Just the fact that none of those 3 frontrunners will commit to being out of Iraq by 2013 (2013???????) renders them unqualified for any truly anti-war votes. As the Repubs will run on a secret plan to get out of Iraq by 2013, distance themselves from Bush and accurately point out that all unpopular actions (the war and the assault on the Constitution) were overwhelmingly bi-partisan, they will win, as which ever of the 2013 triplets gets the nomination has already refused to commit to being out by then. If s/he switches, s'he's a "flip-flopper". The fact the "secret" plan will include attacking Iran and whomever else the warmongerers choose and use overwhelming civilian deaths as a terror tactic will not be known until the next war.
I would be willing, at least at this point, to vote for Richardson if he got the nomination. He's not nearly as good as Kucinich, but at least he believes in the Constitution, will get out of Iraq quickly without taking a detour through Iran to do so and is somewhat pro-working family (as opposed to unbridled free-traders Clinton and Obama, and recent rhetorical (but not reflected in his record in the Senate) convert from unbridled free trade Edwards.)
Edwards and Obama have also been putting forward the distinction without a difference that they will leave only "non-combat" troops in Iraq. It matters little to those of us who have family members in the military whether they are killed or maimed while serving as "non-combat" troops or "combat" troops and it matters little to the families of Iraqis who are killed or maimed whether they were killed or maimed by "non-combat" or "combat" troops.
Both Kucinich and Richardson are committed to getting out all US forces, and not leaving "residual" forces who are called something else but continue to be killed and maimed and continue to kill and maim.
Good post, Sean Penn.
Another discouraging screed from Mr. Penn, who, as far as I know, has solved exactly none of the country's woes.
Another rich and famous person with the impression that a "bully pulpit" makes for a "bully preacher."
Thoughts have power. Collective thoughts have synergistic power. A vision changes only when the hearts and minds of the majority changes. The collective synergy does not have to be dominant to be noticed. Support your dream and gain that notice. It's called a trend and trends build. Dithering is destructive.
Here is a link to a video of Sean Penn speaking in San Francisco:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smHYTTBzajk
I think the font used in this article is one of the reasons it is hard to read. I am not sure whether the text of the speech at the link above is any better or not.
Red Dog has made some good comments. For one thing, he made me realize that, given the state of M$M (mainstream media) in the U.S., we should consider the lack of coverage received by Dennis as a positive endorsement.
I make sure that I watch at least one video of Dennis speaking every day. The more I watch the more I know that he has the greatest mind I have ever encountered. (That includes Gandhi.) Things are interconnected, and Dennis see the connections.
Hey, Anniesee and Time4peace, I also say BRAVO! to Sean Penn and want to share about the lack of celebrity figures endorsing Dennis Kucinich. Someone asked Elizabeth about this in front of me this week and she replied that Ed Asner and Danny Glover have been publicly supporting him. Let's keep spreading the word and keep helping Dennis and Elizabeth work around AIPAC!
Dennis Kucinich will remain unelectable...
...until people stop believing he is.
How the hell can anyone say, "I like Kucinich, but I'm voting for ____, because he at least has a chance"?
In the end, the only thing that determines a candidate's electability is the willingness of people to vote for him.
If you decide to vote for someone that the talking heads of the corporate media tell you to vote for - (even if they phrase it in terms of "electability") - then you deserve crappy corporate-controlled government you will get.
Dennis Kucinich is as exactly as electable as the voting public want him to be. I mean *want* - not idly wish for - and certainly not muse, mumble, or whine about.
This is the primary coming up. It is the time to let everyone know that there are still progressives in this country, and that we do not approve of compromise.
Aren't you people sick to death of the "compromises" - (or, rather whole-sale sell-out) - of the Democrats in Congress? How many times have I read comments here condemning precisely that? Now I am reading posts here by voters who want to compromise long before there is any such need.
Are some of you in both camps? Those who would vote for a more "electable" candidate, despite preferring Kucinich, forfeit your right to complain about your senators and representatives compromising.
You really want Dennis Kucinich as president? Is that your true ideal? Well, QUIT YOUR MEWLING, AND GO FOR IT!
It is too late now. Support Obama or let Hillary rule the world. This is the chance to make a statement. Elect a candidate who opposed the war from beginning, or let Hillary win. I'm sorry Sean. I voted for Kucinich in 2004. This year Obama is the antiwar candidate. And he is right on Afghanistan and Pakistan and been consistent on abortion rights his entire career.
edwards - kucinich
i am liking edwards A LOT if he would runs with kucinich. edwards would appear much less a phony, with his hair and everything being such an easy target.
they can counter that with the "kucinich still lives in his old tiny house."
all the democrats would need to do is introduce kucinich and his fine politics to america. if they gave kucinich lots of airtime, even work the two of them together as a team. ahh edwards doesnt have the nutz to hook up wiith kucinich.
edwards could also feel safe knowing their would be no attempts by the right wing to take him out. unless they were planning on getting kucinich too.
With life as it now is in the United States, seven years after the so called election of 2000, all of the mendacity and deceit, perhaps it is time to consider dismantling the Lincoln Memorial on the Washington Mall.
The nation's heritage from the 16th president, that of a unified body of states as I see it has become totally irrelevant. An anacrony. It is time to dissolve the union. Move Lincoln's statue a few hundred yards southeast and include it within the memorial currently being constructed in honor of Martin Luther King.
ticonderoga December 9th, 2007 11:33 am,
Kerry voted for the war, defended his vote for the war, and then tried to out-tough W in tough guy war rhetoric. To point to his performance as evidence that a true progressive might have a real shot at becoming president is ludicrous. Democracy never really had a chance here because the majority of people have always bought the myths of "America" which are pumped into our veins from birth onward. Money and influence will always be the primary determinates of this country's course. Things can get a little better or a little worse (compare Bush to Clinton), but it's going to continue to more closely resemble a corporatocracy than an enlightened democracy.
On another topic, the people who continue to point to Ron Paul as some legitimate progressive choice, need to get a clue. He is all about affording those with money greater freedom to leverage that advantage so as to be able to more efficiently exploit people and resources. That's what libertarianism is. That's what he is. Just ask him.
I remember something my father once told me that is tangentially relevant to the discussion sparked by Penn's article here. He is a fairly conservative evangelical Christian (enough so that he was fooled by the right-wing rhetoric and the Bush agenda..), so I rarely take his advice on matters political or theological..but what he said in this case makes a lot of sense. We were having a discussion/argument about the doctrine of exclusivity inherent in the Christian faith (i.e. "There is no other way to the Father, except through me")...and I raised the obvious point about the pre-Christian cultures and peoples of other faiths/cultures and asked if they would go to hell (like Danto seemed to imply by having Plato and Aristotle discuss philosophy in a relatively bening level of hell...My point was that it would be foolish to accept this doctrine (that Christ is the only way to salvation) if it could not be accepted by an overwhelming majority of people both living and past. His response was to say that I shouldn't worry about other people..but just focus on my own salvation..At first I thought it was a rather individualistic perspective to take..but when applied here it makes sense. Why should we care about what other people think? ALl this "electability" talk, when we should really be voting with our hearts...atleast we should do our best to promote and support the candidate that we think will best represent us as citizens of this fledgling democracy. So forgot the rest, just be authentic with yourself! If enough people can do this, who knows Dennis might just have his day in the White House (a house that has a lot of clean up to do for sure!)
I'm a WW2 vet who didn't believe that IT was the answer.
Status quo is just that. Americans are NOT the good guys
At this point in time, we are "the good Germans of this
3rd Reich. Heil Bush/Cheney,etc al.
But "FAITH" saves us from facing reality.
Jesus here, Allah there, Elihanu .... AMEN, you all !
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Hey Sean,
Great article! I was listening to Scarborough criticize you the other morning on MSNBC and I got kind of upset about it. My wife and I are fans of yours (in the political sense also) and we always keep an ear out as to what you are doing.
Obviously, you are a man of many talents, so I was wondering if you have ever considered a new career as being a television host. One of the left's biggest problems is not having enough commentators that blue-collar men can relate to. The Democrats should easily win most elections, but to this day, they keep beating themselves because they end up sounding phony and beholden to special interest groups.
I'd much rather listen to you in the morning than Scarborough (who claims to represent me, but doesn't). I'm a white industrial electrician from the South, but I don't buy his "Redneck Riviera" B.S. There's a big difference between being Redneck and being working class, but most liberal commentators don't understand the difference, and they end up letting the right-wing define who the working class is (to the Republican's advantage). Unfortunately, Scarborough is about the only commentator on cable to listen to when we're getting ready for work in the morning.
You (and Leonardo DiCaprio) though play roles that many men can relate to. Recently, DiCaprio played a role as a cigarette smoking, beer drinking, tough Irish undercover cop who took on the mob and police corruption. I admire that character and what he represents about a thousand times more than I do all the PC crap and blather that I hear coming from Democratic political candidates. I vote Democratic, but man sometimes it's hard to do. I vote Democratic because the Republicans are about a hundred times worse than the worst democratic candidates. The Republicans really are a bunch of momma's boys and draft dodgers.
Democrats need to talk about the following:
A man with a good paying job who can support a wife, kids, a decent house, a car, and who can save 5% a year with or without a college degree. They need to talk about honesty, integrity, and honor. The need to talk about getting rid of payday lender and cash for title loan-sharks. They need to talk about lowering credit card interests rates and getting rid of stupid trade agreements. They need to explain why sales taxes are not in the interests of working people, and why most of the tax burden should move to corporations. They need to talk about why torture is the most un-American action possible. They need to talk to men about being good husbands, fathers, men, and citizens.
Thanks for listening.
Beside H 333/ H R 799, Rep. Kucinich also voted NAY against H R 1955, 2 other Dems Abercrombie, Costello, 3 Republicans, Duncan, Flake and Rohrabacher, Total NAYS = 6.
Someone a bit ago on this site said "I have my pencil, I have my sharpener, My pencil is sharpened, I will use it...."
Follow his lead. I have given money to Dennis, I have voted for him in every poll, I will vote for him. Electability, my tush, He IS ELECTABLE, Jasus, vote for him, he can win.
Doubters be damned, you are the ones responsible for a Naderesque debacle, not the majority that believe he is the ONE.
My goodness, "I have my pencil...."
I wish people would quit saying Dennis doesn't have a chance of winning, but with the media controling the gray matter of most voting Americans, . . . . Be the first one on you block to learn how to live like a 12th century peasant.
Kucinich is ready to crush the venom out of the capitalist snake. All he needs is YOUR help on the campaign.
I really do hate to keep harping on this whole thing of election fraud, but Dennis Kucinich would be smart to bring forth legislation to deep-six all computerized voting in the United States, and pronto.
Just in case Sean Penn and all of you haven't seen this yet, it's a hearing in The House of Representatives, with Rep. Maxine Waters (D-L.A.) attending:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8112825559202389150
And this:
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/PROJECTS/NCEL/WashTimesAd-NCEL.pdf
Until we fix this mess once and for all, regardless who may be running (what about you Sean???!!), in my very humble and American opinion, we will be freakin' DOOMED.
Kucinich only deserves a vote when he stops supporting the always corrupt and rotten 2-party system. He can only do this by leaving it. So far he has shown no such courage.
Time4Peace----Thanks for saying exactly what I am thinking. It is unthinkable to me that any progressive would vote for anyone else but Dennis Kucinich.
And STOP immediately buying into the MSM propaganda machine. They have had, afterall, a rather spotty record giving us the straight scoop, wouldn't you say? Turn them off, you'll regain your common sense as well as your dreams!
Powerful stuff from Mr. Penn and give him credit for saying what he thinks, just like Kucinich. Last year, Al Gore gave a speech about the attack on democracy by the Bush administration. I tuned into a replay of it but did not realize that it had been given a year ago; I practically wept to hear someone say those things. I thought, "He must be running for the presidency after all." Then, when I heard that it was an old speech, I felt completely let down. Reading Penn's article and listening to Kucinich at the debate, I at least knew that these ideas had not died. It's almost as if Americans are being offered one last chance to save and revive the democracy. Is it still possible?
Peace Czar,
You want the same people who have elected (or did nearly so) George W Bush twice--TWICE---to be playing a greater role in creating our laws and policies?? Have you sat down and talked with some of those people? They are completely brainwashed. You feel more comfortable putting our future in their hands than in elected representatives?
It's time for anyone who is worthy of some press to stand up for the rest of us who are not and declare Dennis Kucinich to be the best man for the job of President of this country. Kucinich's compassion should also be appealing to the Republicans who know they have wronged the American People.
"DK is the obvious torch-bearer for the polititactical 'recu$al for life' question, brought to the floor of the house as briskly as that fatuous "condemn move on" resolooshun.
As anti-war progressives, this is our trojan horse into the $tony Maw of Fortre$$ Bushelzebub, folks.
"Root" howz that go, "ROOT" of all...what was it root-Root...ROOT of "All EVIL!"
By their "fruits" we shall know them. Who SAID that? ...Think He MEANT IT?
then, if so... "Bush's BRAIN" aka "Turd Blossom" actually "nicknamed it$ELF, right?". RIGHT!
Two clever by .666..."
--Rev. HOGTIE POTUS, "Cowboy Noir"
from: PULPIT NONFICTION FOR A CHANGE
I tried to send money to the Kucinich campaign but couldn't because I'm Canadian.
I listen often to 'left wing' US radio hosts who have interviewed him, think he's right on, yet invariably add "but he's not electable" after his name. It makes no sense.
Regarding the looks - have you seen his wife? She's gorgeous enough for both of them and her resume is just awesome. She reminds me very much of Princess Diana - another lady who cared and did something about it.
Best of luck to you all in 2008.
We've all heard the media claim the actors turned political don't know what they're doing. I've never understood that. Do the narcisists who make the decisions in their little legislative or oval rooms really think they are wiser then those who have read a broad range of material?
Or what is the experience that Hillary and the rest of them that they claim? That they voted for the war, where we all marched against the war before it began; that we knew Colin was lying before the UN; that Bush was lying when he convinced the weak minded of this country that we should go to war. The real experience Hillary et. al., talks about is having enough friends in high places (the rich) that they know they will have to be paid omage too. Folks, I can't tell you have distressed I am.
I got back from Iraq almost a year ago and have now fully lost my marriage. 16 months away is a long time. 50% of the rest of my company has also been divorced and that is all in the last year we got back.
But after that, I then read that people I have respected in the past are supporting Hillary because she is woman. What sexists type of turd is that? It is discusting that that passes the red-faced test.
Like Sean says, even if it is not convenient, at every opportunity we need to chat with our friends about what's going on - even if that means asking them to take their blasted walkmans off.
truthforall____You are dead right about Ron Paul. He does not hold a candle to Dennis K in what he stands for so that leaves the Repugs with zero worth while candidates. As for the Dems, it does not take much courage to "support the troops" and be for "defending our country". What takes courage is to stand up to everyone as Dennis K has done and speak the truth even though he will get derisive remarks made about him. Anyone can surround themselves with supporters and say the popular junk . Vote for Dennis Kucinich on principle and don`t worry about electability of some other mediocre candidate. You may as well flip a coin on the rest of them as they will all disappoint us.
Wow, I've read to the end of this piece by Sean Penn and all the comments thus far. It wasn't that easy, as some have suggested, because of not being a perfectly correct work of grammar, but who are 'any of us' to criticize? I'd much rather read something from someones heart, then a piece fine toothed for grammar that was insincere!
I'd like to say to Sean Penn, BRAVO! It's about time! I have wondered and was ABSOLUTELY DUMBFOUNDED that not one celebrity figure has stood up for Dennis Kucinich, until now. Barbara Streisand is doing all she can for Hillary; the big "O" Oprah is on Obama's bandwagon (boy can she sell books!) and then there's the corporate media introducing American voters to the lexicon, "electable!" What the "F" does that mean? Unless you are using their dictionary (and their brains, not your own) it doesn't mean crap! Their agenda are NOT your agenda! Believe me! Don't let them tell you whom to vote for, who is electable, who's on top of the polls; they lie, and they DO NOT HAVE YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART!
Edwards is - and many of you have stated this, the 2nd best choice, BUT people, why wouldn't you want the best choice? This makes no sense to me! 100% of the people here should be voting and supporting and working to elect Dennis Kucinich. If not, why not? Don't you dare say he's not electable - that's not something you came up with, it's what you've been told! Stop using the information someone else tells you to think! EVERYONE with a fraction of a brain KNOWS DENNIS KUCINCH is the MAN who WILL bring dignity, integrity, and justice back into out the working venues of our government. He walks the walk, the same as he talks. When you hear him, you really hear HIM, not some corporation talking, or some hedging of the truth, to win votes. WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET. Isn't that refreshing? Politicians - we have come to expect - lie to get our vote. They say what sounds "electable" - to the crowd they are speaking in front of. They are terrific at centering their comments or making them non-specific. This is the norm - it is the continuation of the status quo! America is in the shit hole! We haven't fallen as far as we will - and the next few years, even under the best of the best (Kucinich), times may be very difficult, resulting from the mess we are in, but, people will be the first consideration under a Kucinich presidency, not the war machine, or the money machines, or AIPAC, or any number of lobbying organizations. Tell me this, who's your lobbyist? If you don't have some powerful, highly paid shark, then you need an honest and forthright person working for you in government, and lucky for you, there's one running for President. Don't blame voting corruption. With yours and millions like us voting for Dennis Kucinich, it's for only a lack of votes than can keep him out of the office. WE HAVE THE POWER! USE IT! Just use it!
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ralph_Nader.htm
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2000.
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2004.
We NEED Ralph Nader as President in 2008.
Never before as we do now.