Getting Past 'Oh!': Why Americans Misunderestimate the Depravity of the President They Hate
Most Americans have long ago now reached two conclusions about their government. First, that George W. Bush is an incompetent president with, additionally, a temperament ill-suited to the job. And second, that his grand project - the invasion of Iraq - was a major mistake.
Both these conclusions are absolutely incorrect. But only by omission. They are, in fact, quite accurate as far as they go - it's just that they don't go nearly far enough.
Bush is incompetent and Iraq is likely the greatest foreign policy blunder in two-plus centuries of American history. But to say that - and particularly to say that alone - does not truly do justice to either disaster, Bush or his war. The truth about this president and his motives for war are far, far uglier than the words 'incompetence' or 'mistake' imply.
But getting to that requires of American citizens several attributes which have been, shall we say, in something less than great abundance of late. It requires historical background, factual knowledge, a motivation to understand, and the wisdom that results from the combination of all of these. And it requires a substantial degree of courage to go where the facts lead.
Most Americans lack a large degree of each of these, let alone the requisite combination of all of them. As such, this much reviled president is perceived as 'merely' incompetent and error-prone. Would that he and his actions were actually so benign. It would be a much better world. In fact, they are far more deeply pernicious than Americans are willing to let themselves understand. One way to appreciate the extent of American 'ostriching' is by doing a bit of comparative analysis.
It is a curious and telling fact that Europeans figured out Bush far before his own constituents did. There are two reasons for that. One is that they were less frightened than we were. Not that they're necessarily braver than Americans in general, but they've had more experience of terrorism in the past, and we were just hit badly - they weren't. Americans were therefore a fearful people in 2002 and 2003, looking for leadership and reassurance. But looking, as it would turn out, in all the wrong places.
The other thing is that Europeans have a more mature politics than Americans do - let's just come right out and say it. You can see it in their attitudes toward sexuality, drugs and crime. You can see it in their wholesale rejection of nationalism and religion, humanity's worst mythologies and twin curses, wherever they arise. You can see it in their rejection of the juvenile selfishness that characterizes the American style of raw capitalism and obsessive consumption. And you can see it, especially, in their foreign policies and attitudes toward war. In large part because they so heavily and repeatedly paid the consequences of their own prior immaturity about war, their understanding and approach to it today are far more advanced than that of Americans.
It is not that Europeans are cowards or unreliable allies, as American neoconservatives love to paint them whenever the folks on the other side of the Pond get in the way of the raw exercise of American imperial power. They are neither. What they are, rather, is sober. They understand that war is sometimes a necessary resort, but that it must always be the very last resort, and only ever contemplated when the alternative is considerably more horrible (which is to say, given the horror of war, very rarely indeed). They know this all to well, because they spent centuries living it up close and personal. As someone once remarked, "Europeans know that anything could happen there, because everything has happened there". They have learned through the hard experiences of Flanders and Stalingrad and Normandy and Dresden and Dachau the stakes involved when the public is cavalier or even less than vigilant about holding back the dogs of war. Americans have some sense of this after the twin disasters of Vietnam and Iraq, but both of these were fought elsewhere. And, however ugly they were, by far and away the vast majority of the dying was done by brown people living on other shores. Not pleasant, to be sure, but not catastrophic at home. We have never experienced Berlin, 1945.
Europeans also have a greater sense of history than Americans do - and, sadly, they'd be hard-pressed not to, of course - which gives them a larger wisdom about power and human nature. They understand that the motivations for war by those who make it are not always quite, um, as advertised. National leaders do not usually call upon their people to risk life and limb to advance the glory, wealth and power of those same kings or prime ministers, largely because damn few would. Instead, wars must be packaged as necessary to the preserve the national honor, protect national security, or to bring the benefits of some political system or religion to other people. Well before Europeans managed to stop fighting each other they were gaining an understanding of this principle. Not for nothing has war long been referred to as the 'sport of kings' on the continent. And, as it turns out, people are generally not terribly interested in risking their lives, their health, their property, their families, their communities and their sanity so that a handful of elites can have a rollicking good time and maybe score some booty in the process.
Ironically, Americans have a rather similar database on which to draw. I'd be surprised if more than five or ten percent of Americans would agree with the proposition that any prior president ever lied the country into a foreign war (though perhaps the number would be higher in the present context than it was before 2003). Indeed, I'd be surprised if that many could even name the major foreign wars in the country's history. Those wars include the Mexican War, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War and the present wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Of these nine, at least four - or nearly half - and possibly more involved known egregious lies on the part of the administrations conducting them. And what is revealed when such lies are peeled away is that there was absolutely nothing necessary about these wars whatsoever.
For example, the deceits that were used to justify the invasion of Mexico and the theft of about one-third of its territory were so great that at least one congressman was motivated to denounce President Polk for conducting "the sheerest deception" in lying to the Congress and the country about the war. Perhaps you've heard of this fellow before. Congressman Abraham Lincoln went on to bemoan the "fact that the United States Army, in marching to the Rio Grande, marched into a peaceful Mexican settlement, and frightened the inhabitants away from their homes and their growing crops". He further accused the president of fighting an unnecessary war and of violating the Constitution in doing so, though he nevertheless also voted to supply the Army during the war (why does that ring familiar?).
The Spanish-American War was likely another instance of trumped up war. After multiple investigations over the last century, it is still unclear whether the USS Maine sunk as a result of a mine or an accidental internal explosion, and that lack of clarity alone should have been enough to prevent the war. What is completely clear, however, is that appetent imperialists and yellow journalists were hungry for the war, so much so that they succeeded in bringing it about, including ugly extended fighting in the Philippines against the anti-colonialist guerillas whom the Americans were supposed to be there liberating. Indeed, so great was the manufactured pressure for war that President McKinley, who didn't want to fight it, was ultimately forced to do so.
Then there's Vietnam, the lies surrounding which could fill a library. Here, we have documentary evidence beyond question of these fabrications, supplied via the bravery of Daniel Ellsberg and his colleagues. They risked their freedom and very lives to prove the degree to which the government was lying to the American public and Congress about its involvement in Nam, its involvement in surrounding countries, and its knowledge that the war was hopeless even while it was saying just the opposite. Oh, and did I mention how it was the US government, not the evil communists, who walked out on a previously-negotiated international agreement to allow Vietnam to decide its own fate by ballots, not bullets, simply because it was clear that the American proxies would lose the vote? Or that the American government green-lighted the coup that resulted in the assassination of the President of South Vietnam, the country where we were fighting to preserve 'democracy'? Or the Gulf of Tonkin 'incident' - far weaker a casus belli than even the sinking of the Maine - that gave the pretext for the major escalation of the war? Hey, we're just warming up here. As McGeorge Bundy said, "Pleikus are streetcars". If you wait long enough, one will come along, and you can therefore use such an incident to justify your bombing escalation, your war, or whatever you want to do.
As for the Gulf War, it seems quite probable that Bush the Elder (good lord, how do people from this reprobate family keep becoming president?) had his ambassador, April Glaspie, give Saddam a go-ahead to invade Kuwait, especially given that Saddam produced a tape recording of the conversation which has her saying just that. Of course, the Bush folks just claimed that Saddam had doctored the tape, and there went that. We do know for sure that evidence presented to the public and Congress about Saddam's atrocities was bogus, even though the dictator had surely committed many such crimes in reality. But the big lie about the Gulf War was the unspoken assumption that the United States was continuing its role as the friend of peace, freedom and democracy, fighting Saddam's nasty aggressive dictatorship. In reality, we had helped create Saddam, we had been silent if not complicit when he was committing his worst atrocities, and after the war we stood by and watched as he annihilated his own people whom we'd set up like so many human bowling pins. Most importantly, though, when he had invaded a neighboring country one decade before he committed the unforgivable sin of attacking Kuwait, the US government had actually encouraged him in that effort, armed him, and supplied him with satellite and other intelligence data. That resulted in the Iraq-Iran War, one of the most brutal of the late-twentieth century. To go to war in 1990/91, therefore, out of moral indignation at the invasion of Kuwait, was a massive hypocritical lie.
Go figure, eh? Just as shocking is the fact that everything about the present war in Iraq has been a lie, as well. We know that Bush planned to invade for domestic (let alone personal psychological) purposes well before he was even president, let alone before 9/11. We know that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. We know that the administration knew that Saddam was no threat. We know that they lied repeatedly and egregiously about the evidence that he was. We know that they lie like flea-ridden dogs to this day when they continually claim to be supporting the troops, but still can't even get them sufficient armor. And on and on and on.
But absent a knowledge of this historical record, and absent sufficient courage to grapple with its implications, and absent the facts and costs of the current war in daily life, and absent a motivation to understand these things, Americans continue to vaguely disapprove of the war and the president who bequeathed it to us. That is well, proper and necessary, but hardly sufficient.
This was not a 'mistake' made by an 'incompetent' president. It was those things, to be sure, but leaving it at that would be like describing 9/11 in the history books as an airplane crash. This was a king sporting. This was a war trumped up with zero necessity. This was a war of power and profit. This was a war of immense deceits. This is a disastrous war of epic proportions.
My guess is that Americans simply can't go there, just as many can't possibly entertain the thought that 9/11 might have been done by their government, or at least perhaps allowed to happen. People can imagine that the war was a mistake, but not that they are such pathetic pawns of their own government that their lives and the lives of American military personnel are of zero consequence to political elites. Or that those daddy-figures upon whom they rely for their precarious sense of security could in fact be vicious predators readily able to betray, ruin and destroy their own public for purposes of financial or power enrichment.
This is just too much for the psyche to handle. This is something that happens in banana republics, or history books, right? - not in contemporary democratic America. And certainly not by those super-patriots of the Republican right, the ones who are so eternally vigilant about keeping us safe.
To truly understand the magnitude of what is at stake here, one has to resort to the greatest of violations of trust of which the human animal is capable, such as the molestations of daughters by their fathers, or of little boys by their priests, or the betrayal of comrades during wartime. Such sickening transgressions are often too heinous to even contemplate, frequently blowing the psychological circuits of anyone subjected to them.
Sometimes the choice is between denial or death.
And so it is that Americans continue through their day, oblivious - by self design - to the magnitude of the evil that has been visited upon them.
But, ironically, this is not remedy at all. Obliviousness to victimization by government is no excuse, especially in a democracy, and especially when other innocent people are much greater victims, to the tune of about a million in number.
To a very large extent, those who would ignore the crimes committed in their name - crimes they have the power to stop - become criminals themselves.
David Michael Green is a professor of political science at Hofstra University in New York. He is delighted to receive readers' reactions to his articles (dmg@regressiveantidote.net), but regrets that time constraints do not always allow him to respond. More of his work can be found at his website, www.regressiveantidote.net
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Show Allsorry,
It's Airliners.net (i misspelled it before.)
Oh,
And the above post is all only my opinion only.
pac
Interesting site. I hadn't seen that theory.
This appears to me to be a normal underside of a B757. There are two different bulges in the photographs. The top blurry one is exactly what I was alluding to: A huge trailing edge "canoe" (flap track faring) which, on rare occasion fall off and land in the trees. People have salvaged the fiberglass shape and made boats out of them (is what they told us in ground school: sounded iffy but was good for a laugh studying boring flight control trivia.) The underbelly shot below appears to me to be the normal appearance of the bulging air conditioning "pack" bay which cools, heats and pressurizes the aircraft. Airlines can order two or three and they are crammed in that space, but a round fuselage shape will not accommodate them so the fuselage bulges out on both sides at this fuselage "station," and at this profile "waterline." Further aft from that bulge is the unpressurized landing gear "bay." These are common Boeing features on nearly all of the family of Boeing Airliners. Go to Airlines.net and type United 757 in the search fields to see sharp photos of this plane. If you look at enough shots you may be able to discern that the fuselage is not a cylindrical shape, but rather a "leg-go"of different "fuselage sections and shapes" stuck together like PVC pipe.
Thank you for asking that. I feel good that I could finally be of help at Common Dreams. We all have areas of expertise that are valuable to our common progressive movement. We might as well spend our time prosecuting this administration on what they really did, (which I want) rather than barking up the wrong tree and making them look innocent.
And on the turn into the building (sorry for not being clear) : what I'm trying to say is: It WAS very amateurish at WTC. He barely straightened it out at the last second. A pro would have cancelled out the sideslip way before he did. I was just commenting/speculating about the apparent speed at penetration; that in my opinion he had to be going less than 350 kts since he very nearly missed the middle of the building in the last seconds. At greater than "barberpole" speeds (over redline) he could likely have not made the turn at all and would have only clipped the corner or lost control trying.
The funerals at United were very real. The flight crews were killed and never seen again.
Then there's the area of why ATC FUBARed (phucked up beyond all recognition) and didn't call for NORAD help earlier. Most senior career pilots avoid the "Northeast corridor" when biding for monthly assignments because it is so congested and screwed up. Better to go to Florida or the islands and let some new guy deal with it. It's been that way at least 15 years. Until there is a crash FAA has one lone controller doing three jobs while the other guy is on break and the third guy is having a nervous breakdown in the head. It is so common to have insane frequency congestion where you have to wait several minutes to get a word in edgewise. Frequently flights are forgotten about. Frequently flight crews forget to switch frequencies since the controller is overloaded and didn't tell them to switch until the flight can talk to his antenna, but not hear him. You hear everybody else talking but not the controller. When this happens (all the time, man) we "relay" info to a jet that is closer to the guy who fell off the scope: "Hey United 91, center has been trying to get ahold of you on 33.9 for about ten minutes," : (translation: you guys dicked up!; better quit telling war stories and call the next sector if you can figure out what it is at 650mph.)
It does not surprise me that a controller was reluctant not to get the flight crew in trouble for a mistake that maybe he or one of his co-workers made, because the system was so phucked-up that this happened every-time I went flying. It is normal, no matter what government turds tell you, to loose flights in a system still using 1960/70 scopes! We put up with it as professional airmen because if you complained, you made yourself a target and got extra special simulator checks by the sim gods and the FAA. I know from personal experience how that little "Catch-22" system works. It is a no-win situation for somebody in Aviation. You shut up and fly, and do the best you can: or else.
This government has failed the American people at all levels in the last seven years.
Great fleshing this thing out.
pac
TSA folks are like the pretty girls used for a magician's show, yeah boys look over here (not over there)
"Then your last comment about a pod. Do you have a link to the picture?" Yes, here the link for "pod" thing (cut-paste: (letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=14), and I'm not pasting it as a direct clickable link because the moderators hang-up my posts for more than 2 links). I checked on one debunker site, where they said: "Looking at the underbellies of 767-like jetliners, such as the 777 to the right, in a variety of different lighting conditions, reveals a simple explanation for the broken streak seen in the featured video frame of the South Tower plane: The plane was reflecting the sunlight off its fuselage in a specular reflection interrupted by the shape of the wing fairings(911review.com/errors/phantom/st_plane.html)." What does you eye tell us?
It's revealing the underlying complexity here, when you state: "You'd have to be dammed good to hit the building in a turn at high sub-mach numbers", making amateurs less likely.
You mention "One of these is the Colorado Springs Untidy Airlines B-737 crash. Out of a clear blue sky, on approach, NOTHING was left to investigate! I mean NOTHING," which I hadn't heard of before. So Pennsylvania crash may have been a real hijacking, OK.
PACPLYER
"But I flew the big iron for 20 years", thank you for keep us safe and getting us all there.
You mentioned both "overlord" I believe it was called?", and "give the order for an F-16". There the 3-star General's on-video testimony (to ex-Rep. Mckinney from Georgia) that NORAD was actually more ready because of the war games, as personnel were already at their stations. I've read that until 3 months prior to 911, the FAA had direct authority to call the Air Force to scramble jets to eyeball errant planes, and did so may times, with hardly any delays. But on 911, even after hijackings were known and building were hit, there still were no jets? Very hard to square all of these delays with the world's most sophisticated (~ multi-trillion likely) air defenses, able to track individual 2" bolts in orbit 200 miles above, but cannot find 4 airplanes?
You mentioned "I see them more as the bungling Watergate burglars of the Nixon Administration. But maybe I'm wrong", look at this link www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/21/5370/?jal_edit_comments#comment-142897, where I mention that the 'shrub is acting much dumber than his otherwise obvious incompetence'.
We have the world class of lying teams - likely spending more on PYSOPS than several new stealth bombers - to best figure how many layers of partial truth, mis-direction, deception, and kentucky windage might be needed for covering up (and then turning that inside out and adding more).
Regardless of above, the most salient irrefutable "proof of evil" facts are (1) molten steel weeks later in basements of all 3 WTCs (when jet fuel cannot do that), and (2) "non-"demolition as fast as gravity free fall.
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Hi PAC PLYER -- Thanks for the info on TWA crash, that I wasn't aware of.
Very sinister dealings, when the rules of evidence and protocols for scientific investigation are thwarted so severely to warp but fragments of truth ever coming forth.
The temp thing is quite different when in an open flame as WTC had, than when within a jet engine. Basic physics let's know that combustibility has to do with the fuel's available chemical energy, surface area (aerosol size), pressure, temperature, and others including stream speed.
The experts contend that the WTC never could have reached the melting temperature of the type of special steel's used, and the short duration of burn time even considering that the crash removed the protective sprayed on fire/heat insulation (rated at 2 hr intact). They (the debunkers) now claim that the sides of outer shell structure buckled outward, from heat, which supposedly allowed the floor to fall. This hardly explains why the floors above burst into minutely sized dust, during the "collapse" (demolition).
Instead of the 4 (that you mentioned), the internal building core had 43 massively cross-linked 3'x 3'beams, which should have skewered the collapsing floors like donuts on a stick - even if the pancaking theory had any basis in reality.
I had more links to paste (above) but the moderators made it real difficult, so I spit my post into 4 pieces, of which only teo survived in this thread.
More later, elsewhere.
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So I say the demolition nuts are right. FEMA blew the building with pre-wired charges (to limit payout to adjacent buildings) just in case another (Repuke sponsored) King Kong was set loose in NYC.
my opinons only.
Great links, thanks nspire.
TWA was another of those where the NTSB was BANNED from participating in the Navy's initial salvage op under the direct prohibition of Louis Freeh the director of FBI. He initially took jurisdiction away from the National Transportation Safety Board experts for the first time in NTSB history. The pieces were jerked off the bottom helter skelter with no photographs taken, so we'll never know the sequence of pieces flying off or what caused the explosion. AW&ST covered this abortion in depth. As I said before on this site, I flew the 747-100 for four years and nobody ever had any big problems with the center number two tank fuel pump wiring since 1969. Sure pumps would fail, but they were simple centrifugal design and the flashpoint of the fuel was such that it took an open flame to ignite. Sometimes we had trouble getting the stuff to burn at startup. The ignitors were not hot enough to make it happen. I have read that witnesses in a boat have stated that they saw a streak extend toward the same area of TWA800 followed by a large explosion at the same place and time of climbout. I don't know if it's true.
This is why I distrust Democrats. Many of our losses of Liberty started with Louis Freeh, Clinton's appointee. Clinton is a Rhoad Scholar - Oxford, which is loosly tied to Skull and Bones. This freaking Bush/Clinton dynasty has gone on now for 27 years (as either pres or vice pres) not counting the years Sen Prescott Bush's company traded with you know who, during 1937-1951.
Steel, however, melts purely due to temperature. Nothing else. The low flash-point of Jet-A fuel does not mean that it cannot attain great temperatures once ignited. I commonly saw 875 degrees Celsius EGT on takeoff with the big iron. (That would be 1607 degrees F , and that was a nominal operating temperature for the big fan engines with a lot of air pumping through them to keep the alloy steel turbine blades from "creeping." (warping). Large quantities of jet fuel are quite capable of burning non-alloy steel columns. Again, I defer to a chemical/structural engineer, if he reads this, to tell us what temperatures those things happen at. The question was: was there enough fuel in that model aircraft to burn all the way through? I say Maybe; with a big BUT. BUT you know it wouldn't happen symmetrically with all four steel columns failing at the same time! You know one side would burn through first! And then: Timber! A one thousand foot tree is tipping over to one side. 20 buildings go down as this thing falls like a giant redwood across town.
just like in the movie GODZILLA!
pac
Note: the above are all just my opinions only.
You mentioned "I see them more as the bungling Watergate burglars of the Nixon Administration. But maybe I'm wrong", look at this link www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/21/5370/?jal_edit_comments#comment-142897, where I mention that the 'shrub is acting much dumber than his otherwise obvious incompetence'.
We have the world class of lying teams - likely spending more on PYSOPS than several new stealth bombers - to best figure how many layers of partial truth, mis-direction, deception, and kentucky windage might be needed for covering up (and then turning that inside out and adding more).
Regardless of above, the most salient irrefutable "proof of evil" facts are (1) molten steel weeks later in basements of all 3 WTCs (when jet fuel cannot do that), and (2) "non-"demolition as fast as gravity free fall.
For more, follow (cut-paste) the 1st link (below) for a 10 min video here, and 2nd link for a 3 hr expansion on today's "old" FASCISM links, to see how bad that it really is:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D6fxyOtVeI __by Investigative reporter John Buchanan
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4382151310886411718&q=martial+law&pr=goog-sl
www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=prescott+bush+nazi&spell=1
Yes I get lost in the threads, and leave myself various bread-crumbs (saved file snippets, cross postings notes, annotated saved threads with trigger phrase of what I wrote, and bookmarks too).
For more, follow (cut-paste) the 1st link (below) for a 10 min video here, and 2nd link for a 3 hr expansion on today's "old" FASCISM links, to see how bad that it really is:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D6fxyOtVeI __by Investigative reporter John Buchanan
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4382151310886411718&q=martial+law&pr=goog-sl
www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=prescott+bush+nazi&spell=1
Yes I get lost in the threads, and leave myself various bread-crumbs (saved file snippets, cross postings notes, annotated saved threads with trigger phrase of what I wrote, and bookmarks too).
PACPLYR -- You've got your "wet friends", and I've questions for them … but I'm in no rush.
You mention how "Most people don't appreciate the fact that airline crashes are very political," yes we've seen that, with ~ $400 Million expense to dive for and reconstruct TWA 800 wreckage, and ~ 1/40 of the effort for 911's 4 airplanes (and 3 skyscrapers) down. BTW, do you buy the near empty fuel tank fume explosion explanation, or consider a missile the cause more likely?
Their help was Blackwater and/or other off-the-shelf spooks. Bush family is intimately connected to Nazi party back in 20s & 30s (google Prescott B.), and even staged a failed coup de ta against FDR in 1933 (follow Gen. Smedly Butler link who outed them to The McCormack-Dickstein Committee). Geo W "the shrub" Bush's grand father Prescott and his maternal great grandfather Geo Herbert Walker - were the organizing LEADERS of that fascist take over attempt.
Just an historical note here, but it is now fairly well-accepted that the USS Maine explosion in Havana harbor was the result of an accidental magazine explosion. It may have been "unclear" at the time, but historical analysis has since settled the question of the cause.
Dear pacplyr, There were multiple "anti-terrorist exercises" that day, one run by Cheney, such that NORAD was entirely out of place and unable to respond. Are you aware of Norman Minetta's filmed testimony? He was witness to Cheney being repeatedly asked by an aid about an aircraft that was approaching DC, that the craft was thirty miles out, twenty miles out, ten miles out, and so on, and finally, "do the orders still stand?", to which which Cheney replied, "of course they do, have you heard anything to the contrary?", and then the disaster at the Penagon occurred. Cheney has never been asked publicly what aircraft he was referring to. Inform yourselves, citizens.
LoL! Tony says I want to let the gov off the hook! Wow. Actually, they've committed so many crimes against humanity that no jury would ever let them do that.
But I hope it helped having me play the devil's advocate for you guys.
TonyVodvarka: Disclaimer: You guys could be right; there are references out there to operation "overlord" I believe it was called? (or something like that.) It was a Seattle based terrorism exercise run by Cheney in a bunker on the same day? Simulating air attack? Does anybody know what I'm talking about?
I just felt you were giving the "Mission Accomplished" "A-TEAM" way too much credit. To expect that they pulled this off without anybody in government not writing a book about it......really surprises me.
You guys are offering that Cheney and Bush are Darth Vader and the Evil Emperor. I see them more as the bungling Watergate burglars of the Nixon Administration. But maybe I'm wrong.
I can only conclude......
They must have had help.... either from CIA or the Pentagon. (Bush I was director of CIA under Nixon wasn't he? so he has clout/contacts there, while Cheney and Dumbsfield were in that admin too. I wonder where the hell Poppy Bush I was during 911? How about Rumsfield? Then another thing that seemed odd was all those congressmen on the front steps of the congress bravely staring at the sky singing patriotic songs..... With the WTC burning, I would have expected them to be running like rats.... Pretty rare sight to see that many of them even in town.... I used to watch CSPAN and nobody was ever in the chambers....
I dunno. We must be the dumbest people of all time since we can't land them in jail. We need something more concrete. We need an insider who wants to become an American hero for all time.
Are you out there?
go ahead and post. We'll cover for you.
nspire,
I have to hand it to you, you raise a lot of good issues. I'm not trying to shoot them down. I think all are worth asking and following up on. God Knows, this admin went out of it's way to prevent a 911 commission investigation. That in itself is evidence enough of a high probability they are accomplices in some fashion.
My thoughts: Everybody in the mid-east is named Mohummand something, so duplication of names is not hard to believe. Grainy photos? Guess who had to pay for security mandated by FAA back then? The squeak-when-they-walk airlines. They probably put in the cheapest, crappiest, slowest clicking camera they could buy. If you check FAA and GAO security audits, where a gov guy tries to board with a weapon these screening areas were failing by a whopping 87% in some cases. This is another thing we've been complaining about for twenty years. In fact the Air Line Pilots Association is the one that forced the reluctant government and the airlines to put in airline screening in the first place. They still won't screen most cargo! Even after 911! Now the TSA treats everyone like a prisoner, but the weapon audits are even worse.
Some things in life are done poorly. But they really go to chit when the gov takes them over!
Then your last comment about a pod. Do you have a link to the picture? Boeing "canoes" (flap track fairings) look exactly like ordinance hanging from the wing from the ground. They are (as I recall) triple slotted flaps: that is a lot of mechanism to put down 40 degrees of venetian-blind type flaps. The transmissions to drive those things down has to have enormous flap tracks so that the flap can overcome the 200 knot slipstream.
Again inspire, I'm not trying to shoot down your arguments: I already stated many times I feel 911 was allowed to happen intentionally to "Pearl Harbor" us into a war. But I flew the big iron for 20 years, 8 years as captain, so I know what I'm talking about in those specific areas. I did not fly the B757/767 but I have thousands of hours commuting in the jumpseat between the pilots of this model.
pac
(keep in mind: the best lie is the one hidden between two truths.)
Sorry nspire,
CIA guys were waterboarding me for that earlier post of mine..... Let me just dry off here.....
Then I got lost on other threads and forgot to check back on this one. Does that ever happen to you?
The Pentagon crash is quite a mystery to me and most of my colleagues. The best source of information for all of these events is Magraw Hill's Aviation Week and Space Technology. Usually, when there's an airliner accident excerpts of the voice recorder and the flight recorder (two different boxes) will be transcribed and printed in this journal. Errors in transcription are common. Omissions happen as well. But these chronicles are still the best thing we have to go on. Frequently people are interviewed in this journal who shouldn't be talking so freely. It is very revealing.
Most people don't appreciate the fact that airline crashes are very political. Governments, Manufacturers, Airlines, pilots and mechanics have nothing to gain by having one. Cover ups are common. That is human nature. Airline pilots are familiar with a number of mysterious accidents over the years in which nothing made sense. The Pentagon crash is one of those. This again, is where a structural engineer needs to comment because building resistance to impact is not only dependent upon the speed, angle, weight and fuel load of the aircraft, but also the quite possibly classified techniques used to form the KEVLAR laminates of the Pentagon building itself.
Look up Airdisasters.com/net, I think, and a whole library of info exists into accidents I was fairly familiar with. One of these is the Colorado Springs Untidy Airlines B-737 crash. Out of a clear blue sky, on approach, NOTHING was left to investigate! I mean NOTHING. The heat and speed of impact were so great, that nearly all metal was incinerated in a shallow crater; so the investigation languished for years without a cause. It always seems like, when this happens, the government starts leaning on these poor NTSB investigators to come up with a reason; so a band-aid can be installed, and the flying public will be assured that the political rats who intervened outside their area of expertise have actually accomplished something in their despicable political careers, and we can all go back to flying. When no cause can be determined, it seems like they always blame the rudder. And this is what happened industry wide, after a second B737 did the same thing in Pittsburgh.
None of these accidents would have happened if the gov hadn't cut flight crews down from three flight officers to two. You need a third guy to sit back and catch mistakes the other two don't see; and to provide safety from a raghead with a boxcutter. But the FAA wouldn't listen to us on this and now the whole country is a mess.
Anyway, back to our subject. The B757/B767 class of airliner is not that big a machine. We had a lot of arguments with management about whether or not it was even a widebody machine for pay purposes. First, let me say, there is little doubt in my mind that these were passenger aircraft. I can see the UAL livery paint-job on the AW&ST photos published after 911. The UAL paint scheme is the ugliest grey crap with no window delineation designed by the then CEO of UAL Steven Wolf (A corporate raider who ruined many airlines prior to UAL.) The Americann impact I didn't see.
Second: The WTC was huge. You could fly two B757's in formation and hit one side probably without overlapping the wings very much. I watched the impacts and on one, the terrorist barely got the sideslip out before impact. He almost overshot the turn. That is because he was probably doing 250-350kts, I don't know. 350 is about all that is controllable at low altitude and I'm sure he knew that from taking simulator training in Florida. You'd have to be dammed good to hit the building in a turn at high sub-mach numbers, but it could be done if you were coming in straight; this is why I suspect the speed was at most 350kts TAS. (true air speed.) ATC tapes would show for sure. There used to be a live ATC archive for the new york area; not sure if they have 911.
Flight 91 was another enigma. Todd Beamer probably did break through that flismy cockpit door (which you could kick a hole in with your foot; dislodging the pressurization blow out panel back then) but the hope that they could kill the hijackers and then control the aircraft leaning over these guys is remote at best. Even on autopilot, with all that thrashing around, odds are the 15 or so lbs required against the yoke between the pilots leggs to disengage the autopilot was experienced; leaving nobody to keep the wings level. You only have a few seconds to level the wings: once it goes past 30 degrees of bank - good luck. Without any training, it's pretty hopeless that a passenger could fly a swept wing jet. That only works in Hollywood.
However, after three impacts of airliners, do you think cowards like congress or cheney (the chickenhawk) would even hesitate to give the order for an F-16 to kill a bunch of us lowly citizens?
Again think football. He's going for the end zone! (white house.) Better to cheat and take a penalty, than let him get all the way open and score. F-16 Safety trip-up is a no-brainer for a reptile like dick cheney. 100 people dead? Bush would sleep like a baby.
Jakey
"I love my country and I consider anyone who doesn't to be my enemy."
That makes for a hell of a lot of enemies there dude. I neither love nor hate the usa, there are many times when I don't like your countrymen very much. I'm not about to take up arms against your country, indeed our countries have been allies for nearly 3/4ths of a century now. Does that mean that I am your enemy? How would you behave if you were to meet me one day?
"This professor is an idiot and no wonder we have young people graduating from college with anti-American ideals."
Criticism isn't anti-american, professor's are rarely idiots (at least about the subjects they study), GW Bush is the most dangerous of all anti-americans.
I don't dispute the notion that Europeans are more mature, better informed and less suggestible than Americans. But I think they would never elect a George Bush as Decider because their parliaments do the electing. Supposedly, Americans chose Bush because he was the type of person they would like to have a beer with. That wouldn't be enough to persuade most MP's.
DREAMER TOO -- Excellent points. You really nailed the downside issue of the associated pain (with unconditionally), that is all to often the cause for most having settled for "just" conditional love or trust, and likely so many divorces, suffering, and world wars …
Thinking about the choices we make, I found a quote that you've likely heard of before, as well as the fully text it came from:
"Somewhere deep down we know that in the final analysis we do decide things and that even our decisions to let someone else decide are really our decisions, however pusillanimous."
ATTRIBUTION: HARVEY G. COX, On Not Leaving It to the Snake, p. viii (1967).
Quoted as "Not to decide is to decide" in Peter's Quotations by Laurence J. Peter, p. 297 (1977).
This re-enforces what I believe to be one of the root causes of much of humankind's needless suffering, which could be avoided if we only gave our MINDS a recurring small mental push and intention in any truthful direction.
Historically, many successful spiritual practices and belief systems have made use of repetitive blessings, statements, sounds, images, or ideas - to channel the adhering disciple's thoughts.
The use of a disciplined practice, is what defines the solution to our woes, by making use of each of our 'power of intention' ability - that then guides the MIND along a laudable path - that is aimed at achieving one's goals (and dreams).
In contrast, it is through the lack of one deciding upon a course (no CHOICE of any 'redeeming' course of action, or thought), that throws the elements of chaotic targeting into play.
If there were an owner's manual for each of our MINDs, handed out while we're young and impressionable, I'm certain it would include a detailed account of what I call MIND AS SLAVE, which is far superior to operating with its opposite polarity known as MIND AS MASTER. Let me explain the importance of this, by accentuating the differences between these extremes. What is critical to understand is that most people (through their inaction, of not deciding) are easily made susceptible to errant ideas and especially targeted propaganda, whereas a refined pro-active approach can provide a remedy to this bizarre human vulnerability.
_1._ We ARE who we think and chose to perceive ourselves to be, recreating ourselves in every thought and action of BEING. I'm sure you've heard the joke about the 'the guy who stopped to think' and 'forgot to start up again'? Well let me say, that would be no normal dude, more likely a Sat Guru (saint).
_2._ Life happens at let us say (guess) 5% of what really is going on, on this plane of existence, while the other 95% is the intentional packaging, our interpretation, and attachments to past and future (possible) events. If we were to have even a small fraction of people practicing "Namaste", I believe that we'd recreate similar feelings to those found in sacred settings like a monastery.
_3._ What does it mean MIND AS SLAVE or TO DECIDE on a CHOICE (a target)?
I like the conceptualization that much of our minds are semi-automatic, but just as is true for our use and control of fire, our minds make much far better slaves than masters. When we feed the mental 'pig' as it were, which is always of thinking thinking …(and looking for more input) -- with God filled images and thoughts -- we co-create that reality. We are blessed with the MIND AS SLAVE, which lead directly to focused intention toward our stated goals or state of being.
_4._ What does it mean MIND AS MASTER or NOT TO DECIDE on a CHOICE (a target)?
This is the ugly flip side where one's life focus is liken to being driven without having first a conscious target to aim for. The innate functioning of the mind - without a purposeful target - will be to constantly seek a replacement for the missing target information. This is the origin of the all-to-common mental anguish, shock, churning of thoughts, and random turmoil of our minds. It is during these very impressionable moments, that humans are most susceptible to external suggestion, or exposure to errant targets that then drive one's live into chaotic directions.
_5._ Consider that the mind (w/o a target) has a 'pig mentality' that is hungry if not starving for input, and will then clamp down on and consume whatever thoughts, feelings, or senses that are filtering in and/or floating by (at that time). In today's hyper-saturated multimedia, there is always something popping into our attention. It is the filter (or provided target) of our INTENTION, coupled along with where (or what) we decide and chose to pay close ATTENTION to, that serves us best with MIND AS SLAVE functioning. When we loose this focus (or temporarily escape from a targeted intention mode) we risk much with the likely nearly unconscious and very messy re-conditioning - that is too prevalent in today's society - as well as vulnerability to degrading propaganda and marketing illusions.
This mental framework fits well along with the idea of intensifying each of our visualizations of the positive and good in all people, as well as in ourselves. We benefit most from the greatest love of all, as we create the space for us to love ourselves (as w/o that, there really is little if no compassion or foundation for being fully present in the external world).
Namaste … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Mahatma Gandhi … … … … … … … … … …
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Green was waaay too polite in his analysis of Americans. I've seen smarter dust motes.
Dear Jakie, I'm surprised that you don't know that jet fuel is essentially kerosene which has about the same burning temperature as a gas stove. I didn't exactly say that I "believe" that 9-11 is a government conspiracy, I say that the facts as I see them and the government's prior and subsequent actions force me to conclude that it is a likely possiblity and needs urgent discussion and a new investigation. And let me clear one other thing up, I wasn't a swabby, I was Army Airborne. Have a great day, fellow citizen.
nspire,
You have described well the person who chooses to live with the pain they associate with loving and being loved.
The 'sociopath', 'psychopath', or rose by any other name, chooses to be angry about the pain they associate loving and being loved; this anger leads them to act in ways that are destructive of love; this results in more pain associated with loving and being loved, and if they choose it, more anger; this anger builds over time and results in the symptoms we describe with these unappealing, though perhaps, convenient names.
ggpearl,
All people feel love; they react to that feeling, by choice, differently.
Tony,
Since you are not in a position to pursue the charges against the President, I suggest that you contact your Senator's and have them raise the issue. Undoubtedly, you believe everything that you see on the slanted press which we have in this country.
No, my frying pan does not melt down when I am using it, but there is a lot of difference in gas from a stove or electricity than from jet fuel. Jet fuel can melt down steel since the heat is so intense. I trust that you honestly believe that the Twin Tower's was the result of a conspiracy by our government and a President that had been in office for 8 months. I believe it was the result of a Muslim group who does not like the U.S. and our freedom. So, we have two different belief's here. Who is to say that you or I are right/wrong?
I love my country and I consider anyone who doesn't to be my enemy. This professor is an idiot and no wonder we have young people graduating from college with anti-American ideals.
Dreamertoo, you can rest assured that I am a Veteran of 10 years and I thought I was fighting to give you the right to freedom of speach; however, I am going to express my opinion, which is my right also.
Dear Jackie, We, as citizens who smell a rat, are not in a postition to provide "proof". That is for a legitimate government commission who can swear in witnesses. We can only read the news and wonder what the implications might be. When government commissions obviously totally fail their mission and are clearly only covering their asses, as with the 9-11 commission, citizens are left on their own to wonder what happened. You would like proof? Watch a clip of Trade Center building #7 crimp at the top and collapse into its footprint at the speed of gravity. How can any rational person conclude anything except that it was expertly demolished with explosives? Such an operation takes days. The 9-11 commission refused to even discuss this. What benign explanation can anyone possibly see in this? There is much, much more, but even this is enough. By the way, does your frying pan melt when you cook eggs? A hydrocarbom fire cannot melt steel, it only reaches half the temperature necessary. Yet pools of melted steel were found in the basements weeks after the tragedy.
I'm amazed that Jakie, who claims to be a vietnam veteran incapable of condemning a president who deserted during that war, agree that "American's should be ashamed of yourselves"
That being said, why the hell do others need the various tales that surround 9/11 to condemn Bush the inferior?
_ L O V E _ like _ T R U S T _
is likened to a two-way street, where those at each end have both the ability to give and receive.
The "optimum" or unconditional flow of LOVE from one to another (and reflected back, see Namaste), occurs when when all four of these elements are positive:
Person A has ability to give
Person A has ability to receive
Person B has ability to give
Person B has ability to receive
Lao Tsu said in the Tao Te Ching that "He who does not trust enough will not be trusted"
As DREAMER TOO clarifies, we have _ C H O I C E _ , and it's our intention (think possibilities) that sets the stage for what we can create in each moment.
When we resort to habitual patterns, formulated as crude tools to insulate us from possible negative feelings (fear, hurt, alone, shame), we can no longer be present in the moment nor respond with all of our power and spirit aligned and congruent to the truths we profess.
Vulnerability and openness are part of both LOVE and TRUST, as otherwise we block out (or attenuate) overtures inward toward us, as well as throttling back on the potential overtures that we project outward to others.
Of course the art of unconditionally giving, receiving, loving and trusting - do of themselves soften the armaments thrown up against them - so that some goodness leaks through, around, and under to the recipient (however indifferent or evil).
Beyond the rational existence that we appear to occupy, consider the possibility that LOVE and TRUST can be spiritually projected (non-causally) anywhere and to anybody (and for anytime too).
The depth and power of our unleashed spirit is fathomless,
while sustained and illuminated iridescently
in the LIGHT of the ONE.
Namaste … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Mahatma Gandhi … … … … … … … … … …
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Tony Vodvarka,
Congratulations, you were the first to respond to my comment. If you have all of the proof that you are describing in your previous comment's, why don't you take it to the Justice Department, but you had better have the proof. This country operate's on "You are innocent, until proven guilty", but if you can prove that our President had the Twin Tower's attacked, go for it; however, make sure you know what you are talking about.
Yes, I have heard of the USS Liberty, but you were in a different Navy from me. I dealt in explosives during 8 of the 10 years I served, known as the UDT. If you don't think that Aircraft Fuel explosion's could result in the metal melt-down and the concrete turning to powder, you are definitely wrong.
I will sign off and not read this garbage any further and you as American's should be ashamed of yourselves.
dreamertoo-
Love is an option for those of us capable of it, but what if there are people in this world who cannot feel it, have never experienced it? It is possible that many of the elite are not able.
It sure seems that many of the world's most controlling people can't feel for those of us ordinary folks. It is like Babs Bush said about the coffins and the dead-Why should she trouble her beautiful mind with such images...
I can love them, much like I would care about a wild animal who does what it does because it is an animal. But I do not think that these people have the choice.
Jackie- If you are really a vet and not a paid rabblerouser, thank you for thinking that you were fighting for my right to have free speech to be dissenting towards the trend in this government that would take away those rights. That is what this grand experiment called America was all about. If you truly value the Constitution, and you have been paying attention then you should be understanding where the angst comes from.
True patriots dissent against the actions of a corrupt government...they do not walk in lock step with them. My grandpa and father were both vets. My father has watched the destruction of the military and its replacement by corporate privitization. It started with several presidents ago, so this is not just about dems and repubs.
Most at this site have been able to step back and take a look at the machinary that operates behind the scenes. I do not understand how a vet who fought in Vietnam could condone the massive war profiteering that all of this was based upon.
Again, thank you for fighting in an unjust war. I know you did it out of your sense of duty.
Dear Jackie, If you're going to get upset, why do you read this column? Have a beer and watch Fox news. Amongst the things that you are wrong about above is other people's service. USS Cole? Ever heard of the USS Liberty? Have a good one.
The author of this article (David Michael Green) must be a Lefty Liberal writing for a Rag Paper. No where in the article did he refer to a single Democrat by name. JFK and LBJ were the people who started the Vietnam War and LBJ progressed the war for the benefit of his own wealth. Lady Bird Johnson owned the Construction Company who came to Vietnam to build runways for our aircraft to land.
The problems in the Middle East are due to Bill Clinton not responding to the attacks by the Jihadist who wanted to do us harm, i.e., USS Cole, many of our Embassy's, hijacked airliner's where a Navy Diver was killed, and it was time for a president who had some gonad's to step up and take the war to the Jihadists.
In my opinion, as a Vietnam Era Veteran (10 years), if you don't like this country, get the hell out of it!!!!!! I'll conclude by saying that more than likely none of the people who have commented on this article were ever a member of the military and should not cast stone's at our Commander and Chief.
Jake
"we have a spectrum that the individual can move along from one extreme to the other" (ggpearl)
called 'choice'
(choose love)
annemarie
I do not think there are shape shifters per se either...I do think it is a deeper, more simplistic description of people who are genetically predisposed or like many other social variables, we have a spectrum that the individual can move along from one extreme to the other...and some are more prone towards this reptillian behavior.
Thank you for hearing what I had to say.
and nspire
Thank you for your words as well.
Aho
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lzcrmc December 9th, 2007 8:34 pm
a jimmy buffet fan can't be all bad …
See...now we're talking the same language. "can't be all bad". Cuz I feel the same way about you.
btw, Do you realize what a gem/treasure that statement of yours is? "Can't be all bad" that's a point I keep trying to make, all the time. We can't be all bad. See, cuz we are not all bad. Neither are we all good. But put it all together, and that's what we are. I really should shut up now, and just let other people's great song lyrics speak for me.
Peace, take care, sweet dreams y'all... :)
Go back and refer to the title of this article, substitute certain words, and voila, a truth will reveal itself to you. You might not like it though.
See, it's like this:
It is because People underestimate the depravity of which they themselves are capable of, themselves whom they actually hate.
That is "Why Americans Misunderestimate the Depravity of the President They Hate".
btw Lzcrms, feel free to keep calling "you people" nuts. It's really quite harmless. Thank you. Besides, who are you kidding? Could the "joke" be on you?
take care...
a jimmy buffet fan can't be all bad ...
lzcrmc December 9th, 2007 7:19 pm
You people are nuts
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Right you are Lzcrmc! :)
If we were not 'crazy' we would go insane. LOL
You people are nuts
ggpearl,
Thank you for that post about your mother. I know exactly what you're talking about, from countless personal experiences, research, and observation. It is definitely true that stuff about the "reptilian" aspect of our nature.
btw, regarding David Icke's book, I've read it, and I don't feel that what we're dealing with here are actual shape-shifting reptiles disguised as humans ---imo, anything's possible, even though I've never experienced anything like those literal or shape-shifting scenarios which Icke describes--- rather the way I see it is that it is we humans who each and all have the potential and capacity to behave in the most depraved, cold, psychopathic ways (reptilian), just as we can behave in the most loving, decent, and constructive ways (humane or divine).
And, though this stuff sounds like a wild tangent from the main topic (and in a sense, it is), it really is actually related to the main discussion.
In my experience, what most people won't or don't want to acknowledge is the whole truth of human psychology, because it makes them afraid or horrified to realize that no matter how good they are or want to be, they are in fact still quite capable of doing truly wicked things. Denial 101 is perhaps a good way to describe it.
Anyhow...
GG PEARL -- I agree, and this idea deserves more study.
I'm guessing most of those reptilian boys were bottle feed, and didn't have a mammalian mother anywhere close, during their formative years. The egg was kind of just dropped off in the nursery, to propagate the cold-(blue)-blooded family line, with little concern to bring its humanity into focus - quite the opposite was likely.
Warmth, family-tribal connection, altruism, and sincerity are seldom found in reptiles nor political wonks. Sociopaths are excellent leaders with their innate charisma and charm (built up from self defenses covering their unfathomable shame), but do suffer (and thereby make us suffer more) from the serious lack of compassion (or feeling) for anyone else. Reptile_in_Chief, oh cold-hearted fiend.
BTW, the brain stem is even earlier evolutionary-wise (than reptilian portion), and handles the most rudimentary of survival tasks: breathing and swallowing. The brain's layers expand outward toward greater humanity, building on top of the more primitive.
I send you blessings. I am sorry to read of the terrifying life of your mother, degenerating to a survival mechanism shell of a person that once was. And I can guess that while still retaining her physical form, that one could not help oneself from constantly bring forth recollections of her, and suffering with the contrast.
I also share your belief of the big picture somewhere, where the incongruent pieces finally appear to insightfully fit somehow together. Persevere!
Namaste … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Mahatma Gandhi … … … … … … … … … …
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Nspire-
A big YES back at ya. It should be OURSTORY. And for those who want to harp on the details of how the towers fell or whether or not I am wearing a tin foil hat doesn't matter, it distracts from the intial issue of TPTB allowed it to happen. The 'terrorists'-both Arab and Israeli operatives were being watched and followed, and were called off just prior to the attacks. The put options event, the politicians that were warned...the list goes on.
PNAC stated that the plan needed a "pearl harbor" to use...period. One need look no further for motive....
Is there a conspiracy, well, yes I think there is. Bill OReilly in his interview with McCain was quite open about it.We here at CD, and other websites, or "leftist" activists (left represents the heart btw) are a threat to the White Male Christian patriarchy. He used these very words...
Is this a dis toward any Christians here? Not intentionally, but I caution that any person who follows the organized religions that ultimately, the End Goal of any of the 3 biggies (Judaism, Islam, or Christianity) is in fact the domination of the entire world, the enslavement of non-believers and destruction of life as we have known it according to each of the main religions own writings. Each sect wants a return of the Sky God of War. This Sky god represents what the Gnostics deemed an insane, and brutal dictator. The Gnostics posed that Abraham was duped, and the structure that we exist under today is a result of that universal scam. The scam detracts from our search for our inner GOD, our own enlightenment.
Regardless of what others who choose a more peaceful reading of these works may opine, or believe, this takeover is what all 3 want and work for. And IMHO this mind set is a fact, we here talk about it, we are seeing it, and it is being actualized.
In my attempts to construct a story from the myriad pieces of pre/history, I have been looking at certain aspects that seem disparate, but are beginning to form a more solid pattern that is related to my earlier post. Many of you here may have heard the kind of funny ravings of a man called David Icke. He posits that there are Reptile Lords living among us who are waiting for the day in which they will again take over, or have taken over. On the surface it is easy to denounce these mentalities. How silly, we think. Superficially, yes. However, if we employ the use of Jungian symbology to this schema, we find that there may be some truth to his position.
My evidence is thus: a year before 9/11 my mother suffered a series of strokes. It reduced her to a barely functioning human. My father experieinced great hardship attempting to meet her desires and wants. When he discussed this with her neurologists, they explained to him that her brain had been reduced to its most simple form, that which we share with simple "reptilian" functioning. She has no clue that her wants and desires may hurt others, and this behaviour depleted finances, and our energy. All she knew is that SHE wanted and life became quite uncomfortable when what she wanted was not granted. She reduced our family to making her happy, at our own expense. She had become a sad and nasty Reptile Queen of our family, and my mother was no longer present.
I think that TPTB may in fact represent a slightly more functioning aspect of what I witnessed in my own mother. People who are genetically predisposed to this more reptillian brain, who through conquest and notions of divine rights/philospher king mentalities feel that what they want is more important than the health and sustainability of the collective us, our planet or our children.
Sociopaths, murderers, politicians (most), profits before people or the planet folks, evangelical leaders, fear addicts....pick them out...apply this model. You will be surprised at the result. I think they may lack that higher brain capability, there has been a stunted evolution that is passed down through their family trees. They have never grown beyond a very animalistic kill or be killed mentality.
Compassion and altruism are foreign concepts, they truly are not capable of this experience.
What does all of this mean...I dunno, but it isn't looking good. Like I said, history repeats itself. In earths history, there was a time when terrible lizards ruled. I certainly don't want to see a repeat of that disaster....and yes, this was a bit tongue in cheek. However, my attempts to see the Big Pattern are sincere.
Aho ya'all
DREAMER TOO -- Complete agreement (United Sociopaths & Assassins corp.).
I still have great difficulty with FEMA asking for volunteers to do the structural engineering and collapse investigation, that's just too cheesy for me yet to fully comprehend how superficial things are now days.
Dear dreamertoo, Judging by your nonsense response, you seem to know little about this subject and are afraid to give it any thought. Widespread self-censorship and denial are one of the hallmarks of a fascist society. Just impossible to think about, isn't it?
.. and, the buildings were not buildings, they were large vertical inflatables made to look like buildings and the people were not people, they were tiny paper cutouts; it all took place not in New York City but on a back lot in Hollywood ..
But regardless, the perpetrators were 'sociopathic' criminals and the appropriate response was a criminal investigation, by among others, an independent prosecutor; not a Congressional investigation and not a 'terror war' unless these were found to be warranted.
Dear nspire, Relative to the accounts of several eye witnesses at the Trade Towers that the aircraft had no windows, and given the fact that the aircraft, revealed by their flight manifests (which included none of the supposed terrorists), were filled to less than forty percent capacity on a day when all other trans-continental flights were over ninety percent full, some have suggested that these aircraft were the Air Forces Boeing 757s that have been converted to fuel tankers. These craft have their fuel load up front, and have room for passengers at the rear, FORTY PERCENT CAPACITY OF A REGULAR 757. There are windows at the rear, but the lack of windows on most of the length of the aircraft may have caught the eye of the witnesses.
Dear OMG, There were various electricity and security shutdowns and shuffling of occupancies in the WTC in the weeks pror to the disaster and after Jerry Siverstein took over the lease. The explosive-sniffing dogs were reportedly withdrawn. The maintenence staff noticed inexplicable white dust appearing throughout the building. There is much information out there, please go to You Tube or Google Video and inform yourself on this subject. The official account of the structural collapse is NOT plausable. The buildings started DISINTEGRATING in mid-air, falling at the speed of gravity, not possible in a pancake collapse, where each floor is slowed by the inertia of the one below. To fall at the speed of gravity, each floor has to be blown out under the above, thus offering no resistence to the one above. Anyway, the official account offers no explanation of the steel core which was the effective support for the buildings and could stand by themselves. If it were a pancake collapse, the floors would have simply slid down the steel like doughnuts on a pole leaving the steel core columns standing, but, no, the steel core disintegrated into the basements with everything else, cut into handy legnths to haul away. And the third building, #7, is simply ignored by the 9-11 Commission , they actually said that THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED, reasonable since it is clearly and obviously a classic demolition, beginning with a "crimp" in the penthouse. And finally, no "pancake" collapse can reduce a building's concrete to microcscopic powder and spread it all over Manhattan. Dear pacplyer, Your desire to let the government off the hook has a problem, the coincidence, along with the first three structural steel collapses in history, of a total failure of NORAD protection, unprecedented and incredible, especially since the general in charge that day was soon promoted to the highest position in the military hierarchy, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. There is much, much more than this, we are not discussing the other incredible events of the day. Inform yourselves folks, the only incredible conspiracy theory is the government's explanation for this false flag operation combined with profitable "urban renewal".
PACPLYER -- Thank you. I do appreciate your acceptance and analogy of the game aspects being played out with uncertainties, but there are many pieces of the puzzle that are yet to be resolved. Are you willing to look into the depths of evil present?
Consider the Pentagon, where all the (little) evidence available (repressed videos galore, from dozens of vantage points, all seized immediately) points toward an impact of a much smaller cruise missile, specifically the damaged wall and remains of the jet engine. So where did that plane go? If one plane is suspect, we need to look at the others.
The one in Pennsylvania left no wreckage or bodies, which has never happened before, thus one suspects that might also have been a bomb. Where did the people go?
The planes flying into WTC appeared to have no windows, hardly the case for commercial airplanes. The maintenance logs, showed one the destroyed WTC planes is still in service; it must have been too egregious of a sacrifice for the airline's profits to really toast it? How about releasing the actual paths the planes took, as that data is part of recorded radar tracking, but if they did, it would show the planes' people being unloaded at another airport so that they could substitute remotely piloted drones that could fly the final distance into WTC, etc.
How about the crappy low resolution videos of the so-called terrorists, which is much worse than now available on most cell phones. Doesn't it seem a trifle odd that our high security airports only use 1970's video technology, when spy satellites read license plates from space?
All of those dead terrorists, who just happened to have same named people still alive elsewhere? I can imagine kindergarten wanna be investigators doing a better job at tracing identities than our highest paid most experience ones at the CIA and FBI.
And then there's the photographic details on the undercarriage of one of the WTC planes showing an optically guided precision targeting module (pod), which is not standard on anything other than a pilot-less drone.
And when you follow the money, there's a $17,000 check supposedly for the attack of 911, that was cashed at a store owned by one of the gov't merc outfits (like blackwater).
Overall more holes than substance in these stories, none of which would stand up to a thorough investigation, so there was none done. What would Sherlock say about that?
Why did I feel the need to say this?
Because to me, the game was between the CIA and the American people, there were only phantom terrorist references to scare us and create the "new Pearl Harbor" scenario.
I find it more likely than not, that there were no terrorists at all, other than the home-brew types carrying a false flag blackops mission, and that they didn't die. I find your explanation lacking the final twist of the knife that the US gov't did everything, giving the administration the benefit of the doubt of total culpability. I submit that they deserve no such break, as witnessed by continued callous actions and indiscriminate death of innocents everywhere else.
I have stated elsewhere that the animosity created by purposely generating conflicting evidence of many possible scenarios, is part of the terror campaign against the American people (who do love murder mysteries and conspiracies). The divisiveness and further PSYOPS damage is part of the plan.
If they did 90% of the destruction, why stop there? Maybe because having the whole show be made-in-the-USA would be too hard to stomach, too evil?
Oh, what a wise group of people. I feel so fortunate to share such rarified company. If only the masses could appreciate the learned discourses of the elite, then they would make all the right choices and save the planet. Of course, that will never happen, so all we can do is find a comfortable armchair from which to watch the demise of civilization just as we predicted.
We are no more responsible for what this President has done then for what this author has written; but if we keep electing one and keep reading the other we'll get what they offer; the lives they imagine we deserve.
This post is about MURDER, so I want you to think carefully about MOTIVE.
It'll be unpopular, but I'm not buying into the Indian Guilt Game above. Yes it's true, my ancestors, who I never met, killed Indians for their land. But before Europeans showed up in American, that's exactly what indian tribes were doing to each other. The entire North and South American Continents were nothing but bloodshed, as one empire slaughtered another. Aztec hieroglyphs and other petraglyphs document the constant conquest of king against emperor. Governor against Chieftain. Native against Native.
Native Americans are not describing what the white man did to their culture. They are instead, describing what Homo Sapien Sapiens, does through genetic evolutionary aggression, with great predictability, to any creature who gets in his way. It is what we ARE as East Indians would tell you. Telmet Nosce.
When we all start acknowledging THAT TRUTH we will be that much closer to figuring out how to control the barbaric elite Captains of Industry and Politicians who destroy everything in their paths.
In that vein, none of us can be criminally culpable for crimes committed by the seed of predatory capitalism in our name. The readers here wouldn't be reading this now if they weren't searching for the truth or if they didn't suspect something was rotten with our leaders. But the general population of Americans are living in the NeoCON Matrix. (CON being the operative word here.) They are living in a state of ignorant denial.
And I second ggpearl's W0W and Sioux's posts. Class Act's post is chilling, revealing and believable. Up until now, I didn't see the rational behind a demolition and thought it a nutty theory. But as a commercial pilot for twenty years several things bothered me about the WTC attack. While I have no training in Civil Engineering, why would a building designed to withstand a much bigger aircraft (the Boeing 707) with a much greater fuel load cause building collapse twice in a row with a relatively small aircraft like the B757? And these were domestic flights, not fueled to the brim as you would expect with the older, less fuel efficient but longer range B707.
And why were symmetrical plumes of dust going off below the impact of the aircraft hours later right before collapse? The only thing I could come up with at the time was that the WTC is structured from deep within the building and this is where the levered trusses formed a stress point on the outside of the structure... but it looked exactly like the MGM grand in Las Vegas: a planned demolition.
The smoke theory makes sense. Black smoke is consistent with a recent hot aircraft crash enveloped in Jet-A or JP4 fuel. White smoke is what you would expect when the fuel is exhausted.
The desire to avoid the massacre at Kobe Japan makes sense. That is actually a noble thing to engineer into a teetering building.
The only thing missing is the Motive: and that is clearly evident with the threat of higher premiums if you don't conform to the FEMA Godzilla dictate. FEMA forced flood insurance on my old 1958 house in florida that I didn't want (and couldn't afford,) courtesy the phucking insurance company so I can see this happening in New York with the high liability WTC that had already been attacked before.
Now it all makes sense:
The Admin was not sure how the Attack would progress; they knew a pearl harbor was coming to get them into the war (so they ignored intel warnings,) but when it came, Bush was reading "My Pet Goat" and it fell on Cheney in the Bunker to give the order to blow the WTC since it was teetering anyway.
Rather than being a dastardly plot as many conspiracy theorists think, I believe now, that 911 was more like a football game. Bush/Cheney and the religious wackos wanted a war. They had a game plan (Pearl Harbor; ) but as in all crimes (like bankrobberies) nothing ever goes completely according to plan. No football coach really knows what the other team is going to try. They know they will be attacked, but whatever happens they will make things up as they go. They will modify their dastardly plot to get their objective of holy war in the middle east so as to keep Texas oil Prices Sky High.
The highest level of attainment for a "Bonesman" (a Yale Skull and Bones member; which both Bush and Kerry are) is WAR.
TEMET NOSCE (From Greek, from Latin) KNOW THYSELF.
Note: The above, as all my posts are, is just fiction for entertainment purposes only. Whew!
Those wars include the Mexican War, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War and the present wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
People always forget about the war against the Native Americans, too, that have been going on since Jamestown and continue on to this day, in some form or another.
O-M-G
I have been disgusted and sickened by George W Bush since well before he stole the Presidency. Anyone who read Molly Ivins could not help but understand the sheer depravity of this man - exceed only by Cheney and his cohort of neocon whack jobs.
I have been enraged as he - with the assistance of the corporate media and the spineless Democrats - systematically destroys the Constitution and our Nation. I stand second to no one in my pure disgust for the man and his administration.
But you 9/11 conspiracy folks really scare me. Seriously, someone went into the WTC, completely undetected and set up demolition charges in advance? Do you have an dea how long it takes to do that to a gutted, deserted building? Where are all of the individual detonations on the video of the towers going down? Go talk to a structural engineer about how the towers collapsed. Absolutely, completely, plausible. If these covert geniuses did this, why did they use so many Saudis insteead of Iraqis and Iranians? How did the August PDB that Bush ignored ever get created? What was Ted Olson's wife doing on one of the planes? Get a grip!!
There are enough things to despise about this administation. Why undermine all the legitimate reasons with this crap?
Having
GG PEARL & NSPIRE: Thank you for adding a more transcendental recipe to the usual political mix. We can't keep pouring wine into the old wineskins; the only way to see a new "history" is by beginning to create more unifying contexts for jointly redeveloping a consensual basis for reality. Of course when all past systems lead to critical mass (as is the case: political, economic & environmental) then necessity becomes the Mother of invention. As now.
MiMiCcS, ggpearl, nspire and others,
thank you for your superb posts. like curmudgeon said, I stand in awe of the rest of you bloggers. Muchas gracias.
GG PEARL -- Y E S. I'm so with you on "It started with agrarian societies, the establishment of divine order/rule, the debasement of women and the removal of the feminine aspect of the spirit, and control over reproduction … finding the point in history where we deviated into this repetitive and violent will to conquer, gain power over others and then only to fall once again."
My credibility on this is enhanced through an independent synthesis of the needed healing of the long fractured circle of humankind (ying-yang), in that the synergy that we need NOW to solve these world wide issues of genocide, is for man and woman to spiritually come together as ONE.
Prototypical reconciliation is found between GG PEARL (feminist, assumed to be female) and myself (male) -- where through many posts our thoughts merge into a common view of the long established power hierarchy of (the once sacred) female subservience to unbalanced male posturing.
Men struggle to define and obtain goals as an innate survival mechanism, while women nourish and sustain life. The later must be accepted as a new goal of the former, in synergistic harmony and spiritual unanimity - or little room for hope remains.
It the human soulful core that cries out for healing, that connects the dots of history to penultimately add herstory.
The solid excellence of the above article and postings is witness to the healing ongoing, but we have much to "heal thyself" in becoming vulnerable for the truth, again innocent while being informed, forging intimacy (into me u see). Benevolence comes from the 360 degree full circle acceptance of all that it is to be human, adamant soul melded to the physical. It is our coarse association with this physical world, as contrasted to spiritual BE'ingness, that is our convenient downfall and separation from the ONE.
Not mentioned, and certainly a plaintive echo of many eons of imprinting, our children's moral clarity need be primary for humankind's survival. Regardless of massive investments in PYSOPs and mass marketing brainwashing (apathetic indulgent resignation), we need to individually throw off these degrading chains of perception, be a committed inquiry for seeking truth, and breathe the fresh air of reality. Let nature be our guide, as that abundant existence is the antithesis of coruptism (corrupt corporatism) and apparent separation.
The illegitimate one's purposely continue to drive a wedge between the sacred essences of woman and men, as that is the true fuel of war, not just the physical world's oil.
Namaste … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Mahatma Gandhi … … … … … … … … … …
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THANK YOU DAVID GREEN. MERE INEPTITUDE BY THE CLOWN? NO, CALCULATED LIES, THEFT, AND MURDER. PREMEDITATED FOR PROFIT AND THE PRIMAL PLEASURE OF THE EXERSIZE OF POWER.
BUT LIKE ANOTHER COMMENT POSTED ABOVE, I NOTE STRONGLY THAT THE PREVARICATING PIG-KING WHEN NOT HAVE BEEN CROWNED BUT FOR TIRED OLD RALPH NADER'S EGO. WHAT A HORRIFIC COST IN BLOOD AND SUFFERING THIS WORLD HAS PAID FOR HIS CHOICE TO RUN. OR WAS IT KARL ROVE'S CHOICE? SINCE IT WAS DEFINITELY ON KARL'S WISH LIST IT.....
Wow, just wow! Thanks for the info on FEMA and the Godzilla project. More pieces of the puzzle.
And I like others here do not agree that Europe is some shining example for the American public. The confluence of old money, banking and colonialism was inherited.
PNAC should be a mandatory read for anyone who doubts the voracity of the inside 9/11, they allowed it to happen crowd.
GW is not an idiot. Nor are his advisors, or any politician who is not calling for his impeachment. Instability and conflict are part and parcel to the grand scheme-again PNAC. Without instability the long term plans for military bases in the middle east would not be justified.
History, a funny thing. We tell ourselves that if we do not learn, it will repeat. And it has...over and over and over. All civilizations that set up a heirarchy, politicians or priests will ultimately cause an explosion in pop growth, a policy of expansion ( in order to "serve said pop") and resource acquisition at the expense of neighbors. The inner structure of said civilization will then begin to crumble, disease and famine, war losses, corruption that can longer be hidden or masked....and finally the masses either die or take down the elites/be invaded and taken down by someone else. Lather, rinse, repeat.
We are stuck in a negative historical feedback loop of epoch proportions. How many times must we as a species do this dance before waking up and breaking the cycle?
IMHO It started with agrarian societies, the establishment of divine order/rule, the debasement of women and the removal of the feminine aspect of the spirit, and control over reproduction. Most of the world's major religions follow this script. This isn't a feminist rant.....but rather an attempt to find the key to shifting humans out of the cycle. In other words....finding the point in history where we deviated into this repetitive and violent will to conquor, gain power over others and then only to fall once again.
Turtles on top of turtles....a micro/macrocosm. It is time for us to wake up and examine the patterns on a grand scale.
In the Colorado plateau, there existed a small but interesting culture who relied upon the oil derived from (of all things) rockchucks. It maintained a certain viability for awhile...but then that epoch shift happened and an elite heirarchy was yet again established....
Years later, we dug them up to find that an uprising had occurred, and all of the elites had been murdered and shoved into the toliet pits.
Microcosm/macrocosm. How many times will we do this dance?
Aho, and have a peaceful weekend loveys....
I stand in awe of Green... and the rest of you bloggers.
One interesting sidelight to the Philippine Island extension of the Spanish -American War: the anti-US guerrillas were the Moros-Muslims who had helped us overthrow the tyranny of the Spanish government and its mistreatment of them. Problem was we kept up the tyrrany and mistreatment. They had only traded one tyrant for another -the U.S.
Before it was over, we killed hundreds of thousands of them. The .45 cal. Colt Automatic handgun was developed specifically for that conflict.
Another excellent article from Prof. David Michael Green...Keep on writing...Take this on a coast to coast lecture tour funded by Darth Cheney's war profits...
Armybrat; Interesting claim you make about the allies in WWII, I never knew the allies bombed Warsaw in 1939, or Rotterdam, or that the Brits would be so depraved as to bomb their own cities in the blitz... Guernica in Spain was an operation by Butcher Harris, eh? You're right about one thing, if Hitler hadn't been so keen on playing the sport of kings and attacked his partner in 41, fascism might have won that war in Europe. Wouldn't that have been a great thing (extreme sarcasm alert!!)...
As a Canuck I'd point to our treatment of the natives as an example of our own inhumanity when it comes to dealing with other humans long before I mentioned quebec. The quebecois would just like you to think they're oppressed. On the other hand the natives of our country are being oppressed.
The only thing humans learn from war is that killing each other solves nothing. The survivors on the losing side look for ways to get revenge, and the winners are not satisfied with the tombstones they've won. The only people who profit are those who sell the weapons and the bandages; ghouls and vampires. Damn shame that a repeat of that lesson seems to be required for each generation of humanity.
Your point claiming that the Iraqies should stand up and kill all the invaders is hopelessly foolish. The yank armed forces have slaughtered all who've tried, getting out of the way is a much better idea for the women, children and the men who can't fight. How well are the citizens of Chechnia fighting off the 'sane' Russian government? How well did the civilians of France, Poland, Norway or Russia do when the Nazi army tore thru their lands? Armies always win when fighting against civilian mobs who give them targets to aim at. Especially when the weapons of one side can reach further than the other; something the French nobility found at Agincourt.
Thank You, for describing a significant percentage of americans.
I would further state that when you attack anyone without justifi-
cation, without full treansparency of intent, then you are the crim-
minal and a nihilist.
One cannot keep attacking another individual, group, or country for
justifiable criticism of the state or staus quo and expect one to cow-
er their entire life.
One could live by this epigram I have coined, "If you are bigger than me
and you hit me first, I have right to lay you out in a church".
Equally applicable, "You cannot act crimminally toward a crimminal".
It's simply a matter of self defense against an evil culture and mind-
set in that culture. This is not a call to agression or crimminality,
but any reasonable person would eventually adapt the world to them-
selves when engaging piles of bile like bush, clinton, cheney, obama
et al.
The only right scum like the aformentioned deserve is the right to live.
That is as long as they don't infringe on my right to live. So, when you
agree or vote for nafta, gatt, the war in iraq, you will be criticised in
fasion consistant your crimminal calumny. When you vote for the violent ra-
dicalization and homegrown terriorisr act, You have been raised by people
who have the sensibilities of the mafia or any other crimminal enterprise
that comes to mind.
How is that for exercising ones right to "Freedom of Speech"? Some people
of this country and the world believe in compete to make ones life meaning-
full, earn a little bread in the process, and try real hard not to act in a
crimminal fashion i.e murder, theft,lying to justify the aformentioned.
These behaviors should not be considered rites of passedge or lifestyle choices
that come as easily as one breathes. These behaviors should be as difficult as
lifting weights when one hasn't trained properly.
That may sound simplistic to some people, but every issue that controls the
lives of millions or billions on earth isn't neurology. Their complexity is
only in the minds of scumbags who believe in live my way or die.
A fine article, Mr. Green, and the thread that followed seems to largely prove your point, that most American citizens will not allow themselves to accept the depth of the evil into which we have fallen. Like a father attempting to answer a child's question about death, he nibbles around the edges without grasping the nettle, afraid to traumatize. Folks, inform yourselves! There is more than enough undeniable information out there to make the offical explanation of 9-11 a total nonsense. For starters, please just look at the TV clips of those buildings collapsing, use your eyes, it's been done right in your face! Buildings have never acted like that before in history without the aid of explosives, disintegrating directly into their basements at the speed of gravity, reducing the interior concrete to powder, and cutting the steel beams into handy legnths to haul away. That these three buildings were pre-set for demolition is without question, such work takes days, if not weeks. There is much, much more than this, but this is enough. There is NO BENIGN EXPLANATION for the events of 9-11.
Interesting article. It daringly slaps all Americans in the face, however, it appears in itself; cavalier and self defeating of it's purpose to reach the common American. If my world history is correct, Europe actually begged the "Issolationist" U.S. to come to her defense in the shadow of Nazi aggression. As we refused to help France during the second president's administration of John Adams, we also struggled mightily to stay out of the Vast and countless European wars of Agression waged in the name of "King, God and Country." Churchill said something to the effect of "Americans will do the right thing, it just takes them a while." We were expected to help our allies twice in a century, however we did so only after great anguish and soul searching.
But after the bomb, everything changed. War aversion had nothing to do with a maturity of European people familiar with war; it had to do with the decay of your imperial empires and your wish for survival. Something the USA is getting dangerously close to experiencing right now. Even then, the U.K. attacked for a pile of rocks in the Falklands, and before that, France started Vietnam (long before the Gulf of Tonkin incident.) So to infer that Europe doesn't plough head-long into risky war, like in the Balkans, is disingenuous at best. To pretend that a system with a King and Prime Minister is somehow immune to the war contagion, is also misleading. Everyone knows that the Royal Family are without exception, some of the largest war profiteers in world history; right up to the present day.
The dogs of war wear the Crown Jewels. And the last thing America needs is another tyrant King George the Third. Having a delusional president who thinks he's king is quite sufficient thank you.
Otherwise Mr Green, a disturbingly honest article.
"Thank you David Michael Green. This is an excellent article. I sent it to my ex who drives me crazy claiming bUSH is merely incompetent, and can thus be shrugged off. No, it's the plan, it's not incompetence!! Of course, like most Americans, he probably won't read it. How do I get through to someone who can laugh off policies that have killed, maimed and left homeless millions?"
This is it, in a nutshell. Bush is not possible without the complicity of millions of Americans
It would be a tremendous mistake to think that the horns worn by this country were spawned by Bush. No, the conspiracy against our republic democracy began 150 years ago with the Civil War that was orchestrated by European Bankers conspiring with their governments seeking to divide and rule us by supporting the Southern states to secede one by one and set up their own central banks.
Once war started the French and British governments supported the South with while Russia came to aid of the North (it was not free, after the war we had to buy Alaska, called a folly at the time but it worked out well). Lincoln was assassinated for not giving them the Central bank they desired in which to control us.
Wilson struck the mortal blow in 1913 with the establishment of the Federal Reserve Corporation (central bank) and the creation of a Income Tax, making sure to provide the rich the option to create tax free foundations. This made us into a defacto finacial corporate oligarchy and turned us from a government where the states controlled the Federal government to one where we were ruled by the Federal government. The income tax gave the Federal government the ability to raise money for wars, and the Fed made it easy to borrow money for the wars, and ever since, we have had almost 100 years of near constant war.
I dare anyone to find a legitimate reason for Wilson to enter WW I that does not include serving the interests of our bankers and industrialists.
He campaigned in 1916 to keep us out of the war since we had no interest in the outcome, and then after election, several months later he changed his mind and we were in, and 500,000 Americans killed. The Versailles treaty that he agreed to but that was never ratified because it was known at the time to be the likely cause of the next war with Germany. The League of Nations was the first attempt at a global government, but again, the Senate refused to go along with it.
Communism? Who let Trotsky leave our country knowing he was going to start a revolution with Lenin financed by American and British interests? Canada detained him when his ship stopped there because everyone knew if the Bolsheviks took power they would get out of the war with Germany, which they did, but since he had a US passport Wilson was able to intervene and he was released.
Who helped make sure the Bolsheviks won the revolution after WW I?. Follow the money. After they took control, guess who got a piece of the oil pie, you guessed it, our own Rockefeller who under the Czar was shut out with the fields controlled by Rothschilds in Europe. Rockefeller established the CFR in 1921 at this time, the US branch of a group envisioning one world government, and Communism was considered at the time as an interesting model for the future government. Today David Rockefeller is thought by some to be our Global Czar, and is on the CFR and it's offspring the Bilderbergs and Trilateral Commission.
The Depression? Created by the Fed, all those financial elites dumped their stocks before the Fed raised interest rates by 3% and causing the crash. After the crash, the jumped in and bought cheap, and were well position for the preparations for the next war which was already being planned.
FDR started by taking us off the gold standard in 1933 allowing the next war to be financed more easily, then he formally recognized Stalins brutal regime since we needed them as an ally against Germany. Investment in the Soviet Union was then facilitated by the creation of the Export Import Bank, created by Executive Order, which guaranteed loans to foreign countries, and were made to the Soviet Union.
Hitler was allowed to build up Nazi Germany despite his prosecution of the Jews, all with the help of financing from American bankers and industrialists. See if you want a war to last a while, you have to arm both sides properly.
Prescott Bush was Director of Hitlers bank in the US up until 1943 when it was liquidated under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The New Deal was a cover for the NRA which was just a way to corporatize government (otherwise known as fascist). And his War Powers Act of 1917 as amended in 1933 allowed the powers Wilson gave himself in 1917 to be used against US citizens, which this is still in effect today.
FDR then cut off oil to Japan, an act of war, knowing they would attack us, and he allowed it to happen, ala 9/11, and so we were able to get into the war in Europe despite public opposition before Dec 7. Why did the British declare war on Germany over Poland, especially when the Soviets also invaded Poland as part of their pact with Germany? They were in on the deal and wanted Germany in a 2 front war since everyone knew they would invade the Soviet Union, and the FDR and the Brits wanted to ensure the Soviets would prevail. Why? WW II is a bit complicated because we had a faction here in the US that supported the Nazi's, but Zionism was a movement of influence at the time, and a victory by Germany would mean the end of their dreams for their own state in Palestine which was promised them by the British who ruled it under the British Mandate. The Rothschilds of London pretty much owned Britain, and we had a number of people of influence and money who supported Zionism in the US.
In the end, everyone in the US was kept happy and made a ton of money fighting Germany, and the military helped by promising not to bomb industrial plants where US companies had significant investments, and Israel got their state when the next attempt at a world government, the United Nations, granted their wish .
The end of WW II led to the creation of our National Security State with the establishment of the CIA. We found war to our liking, it was good for business, but even our elites were shocked by the 50-70 million critters done in by WW II, so we came up with the idea for a perpetual war against an enemy who would scare the critters but not kill so many of them. And so we created the Cold War against Communism. To do this, we needed to create an enemy, since the Soviets were our friends. And so we did this, but only after we gave them the plans for the bomb so they could be a nuclear threat to scare the critters. Also, we had a problem in China. Chiang Kai Shek was not a communist, and if China developed their economy what with all those people, they could threaten our empire, so we witheld the aid to them voted by Congress for their fight against the Communists, and thus Red China was born. So now we had 2 Red enemies.
Then along came Vietnam. The French despite being ravaged by War continued to try and keep Vietnam in the 50's. The could do this because we financed their war. Why? Because Vietnam was reported to have oil off it's shores and we wanted a puppet in charge. When the French gave up, we told the criters we needed to do Vietnam to halt the spread of communism. Heck, we created Communism we did not care if it spread, so long as it spread somewhere where there was no oil.
In 1953, Iran was a Democracy. But the President decided it was a good idea to Nationalize the oil industry. The British had agreements under the Shahs regime to pump their oil for next to nothing, and as a Democracy they felt it was not in their interests. The Brits asked for our help, and so the CIA arranged to overthrow the government and put the Shah back in power, and so began 26 years of brutal repression. When the Shah began to be difficult to control, we arranged for the Ayatollahs to take over by telling the military not to oppose any takeover or we would not provide them anymore weapons.
That did not work out as well as planned, but we convinced Saddam to invade them hoping for a regime change. We did not want Sddam to win so we had to arm which we did with the help of drug money and Israel helped us ship the weapons to Iran. Most of the drugs were sold in the US but by then the CIA was an old hand at earning money from drugs to support covert operations and weapons purchases.
Why did we support an Islamist regime in Iran? In 1978 we saw a need to end the Cold War to set the stage for taking over the Middle East, and so began preparing a new enemy called Islamism to replace it. It was like a drug, our capitalists became addicted to war. We needed to feed the monster.
So at the same time, we started training up Jihadists in Afghanistan to stir up trouble to induce the Soviets to invade so as to stabilize the government, and then we trained up and armed a whole flock of them, including Bin Laden, and kept their names in a data base called Al Qaeda.
After we had set the stage for the Soviet Collapse with their struggles in Afghanistan, our own arms build up which left their military behind in the dust, and with the coup de grace, an oil glut that dropped oil prices with the help of our Saudi friends, the Soviets were broke, they essentially gave up the ghost and decided to try Capitalism thinking we would flock to Russia to invest. Wrong. We did the opposite, our bankers stayed away, and by 1998 they were dead in the water.
When the Soviets gave up in Afghanistan, we helped the Taliban take over to facilitate the pipeline that would bring oil from the Caspian Sea to the West instead of going to Russia.
So the stage was now set for the Middle East takeover, as there was no defender with the Soviets defeated, but first we had to replace the Cold War with a new enemy and new war, again, against one of our creations - Islamism. But as the PNAC said, for that we needed a New Pearl Harbour, and so there was 9/11 and the GWOT.
I could go on, the JFK assasination, Cuba, Chile, the Nixon Coup, our reconciliation with Communist China, how the tax free foundations control education and the official history (Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie), CFR-Bilderberger-Trilateral Commission conspiring to create a one world government requiring the destruction of American as we know it, etc.
Accidents of history or the Grand Conspiracy?.
DaveEriqat: I've come to recognize that there's nothing I can do to change the situation. The only rational course of action is to focus on self preservation, selfish as that sounds.
Our individual self-preservation can be in full solidarity/synergy with our neighbors all across the biosphere. We can self-preserve by cooperating with our neighbors, engaging in win-win deals, and maximizing production efficiencies, market value, economic and social justice and the whole spectrum of public interests. Self-preservation can be WIN-WIN.
Watch out. It is the capitalist who introduces the zero sum game, steamrolling over solidarity/synergy. But when we take the moral high road we avoid victimization by the capitalist. We become deaf to the capitalist's siren song. So let's become individually self-sufficient in full solidarity with the whole world community, by shifting our individual exchange/association away from capitalist power and toward our local communities.
I know I work day in day out to stop this insanity, this Fascist Gov't. I've responses from many persons re; my questions, demands and why, why, why? I do not feel a bit of guilt, I do everything I can everyday of the week.
I will be in Paris and will try to see French prosecutor Jean Claude Marin re; opening an investigation into Rumsfelds involvement in Torture. I will be with the Women in Black at their weekly vigil, I will be in Frankfurt with CODEPINK, my group, and participate in their campaigns.
Call me a cocky MF'er Makes no never mind to me, I do it because it needs to be done. I will keep doing it until I get what we want.
My Rep. is sick of me, when there is a Bill I hate I call 10, 12, 18 times a day because I am a CITIZEN, he represents MY interests, I could care less if I drive them crazy, same for Senators and Committees.
It is what it is, It Is What I, as a CITIZEN, have a right to do.
I would bet a new, fifty cent piece that MR. Green knew that Bush was a major asshole before he became Gov. of Texas. Many people looked at George Bush and knew what they were seeing, and it was a scary realization that a piece of garbage like Bush would very likely "win" the presidency. The Americans that Mr. Green singles out for critizism are those who, for one reason or another, could not look at the man and realize what they were seeing. It is astonishing that so many Americans actually voted for Bush when one look at him should have given them a clue to his character, and if looking at him didn't tell them anything, they should have known something was wrong when he opened his mouth. My neighbor is 72 years old. She asked me, when I wondered who she voted for, how could anyone vote for Gore? And there it is. A criminal at 72 - told to vote for Bush by her Baptist Preacher. Americans should be tested for their knowledge of government, its Constitution, its Bill of Rights, the history that precipitated a new country. The test should be demanding. Depending on their scores, Americans would be granted votes. A perfect score would get you 100 votes, and so on, down to one vote for someone who couldn't spell their name. It's grossly unfair that an intelligent, informed vote should be canceled by someone like my neighbor, or for that matter, someone who gets all of their political knowledge from Murdoch's Fox News.
I'd like to know who the Europeans needed protection from? Nobody came to help them when Hitler invaded and occupied our countries, did they? In fact, if Hitler hadn't attacked Russia, the war would have gone very differently - and maybe we'd all have learned different lessons about the fruits of fascism.
And which European countries tried to defend the sovereignty of Afghanistan or Iraq when the US decided to invade those countries? Yeah, thought so. They're too busy quibbling among themselves - even the smallest European country is on the verge of secession by one half or the other (including my own family's homeland.)
Russia is the only country behaving like there is any sanity on board - especially in the government, which the people heartily support (they learned the hard way - as we will.) And since the only threat on the planet comes from the US - that's why Europeans (and others) let Americans have those bases in their countries - not to defend them from some un-named imaginary bogeyman, but to protect them from the Americans themselves! It's like giving a kid an ice-cream cone to shut him up - it prevents tantrums, not to mention threats and bombing. (Any European will tell you that the Allies did all the bombing - not the Nazis - and it was Russian foot-soldiers that defeated the Nazis, not Allied bombing, let alone the invasions.)
Even Americans who think they are educated don't know diddly about history - they don't get enough different perspectives. In Europe, you collect all the lies from your neighbors and figure out the truth from there... it works, in a roundabout sort of way. Small countries are the only way to avoid being inundated with tons of Bull-squat - they trade insults which always involve a grain of truth... Divide the US, China, and what's left of Russia into smaller chunks and we may see peace finaly breaking out - getting rid of all those nukes might help too.
As for the Iraqis - I can't feel all that sorry for them anymore. They've had 5 years to get rid of the invaders and I guess they'd rather flee or die in the millions than throw them out - so maybe they deserve what they're getting as well. My patience with them has worn pretty thin... I'd be up in arms by now - wouldn't you? 20-odd million Iraqis against a couple hundred thousand troops - it should be no contest. What do they have to lose? They're going to lose it all anyway now. Too many collaborators that are now too entrenched...
Humans are the only animals stupid enough to go to war with themselves - that should tell you something. (Well, there are those ants...) It's a mistake of evolution, but it will self-correct, and probably sooner than you think. What other animal invents imaginary friends and enemies? Yeah, thought so. Maybe that's what really happened to the dinosaurs... just a thought...
I've been to Quebec, so you Canadians can get off your High Horse anytime - your out-houses smell as bad as anyone else's... just because Americans take the prize for ignorance, stupidity and antisocial behavior right now doesn't mean they are the only ones - just one of the worst present examples. Somebody has to be at the top of the heap - different tribes take turns...
Great article by David Green, he has covered it all accurately.I guess one of the things that bother me the most about the wrecking of America in seven years is that it could not have been acccomplished without the fundamentalist right wingers solid block of voters plus the NRA gun crazies. The loud mouthed religious blowhards convinced their churchgoing sheep that Bush and his band of lying criminals were doing the will of God and must be elected. It is just about enough to turn a luke-warm Christian into a non believer! We have apparently lost our democracy, our respect from other nations, the rich have looted our treasury, over 30,000 of our soldiers have been killed or ruined for life, our social programs are on the edge of collapse, our privacy is gone, and still all we hear is too be sure to elect a Christian like the one that put us in this kind of shape. Go figure!
David Michael Green is an astute political scientist and gifted writer.
He and Naomi Klein are among a small number of people who have been able to grasp the magnitude of the causes and catastrophes that have resulted from the takeover of the American political system by the conservative movement and the Bush/Cheney cabal that seized the levers of power in 2000 after stealing the election.
Where I disagree with Green is when he puts the onus of responsibility on the gullible Americans who voted for Bush and the compliant Congress that let his administration get away with its destructive acts.
I, too, am a political scientist but it has taken me several years to put all the pieces together to figure out how the U.S. government got high-jacked by the truly depraved war profiteers, oil companies and religious fanatics who masterminded the disasters the Bush administration has inflicted on the Middle East and Afghanistan. Grasping the multiplicity of factors that led to these disasters and the concomitant demise of our democracy is not an "easy read" even for a trained political scientist.
Throughout recorded history ordinary people have been deceived and victimized by unscrupulous leaders over and over again, who have wantonly used them as fodder for their war machines in order to gain personal power and booty. That the Bush administration duped the American people into supporting its invasion and occupation of Iraq and sent unarmored troops into battle is not unusual from an historical point of view, however despicable it has always been from a moral point of view.
Green is right to point out that Americans have never been told the truth about the extent to which the U.S. government and military forces have been used not to promote democracy and freedom but far too often to undermine it in order to confer control of markets and natural resources like oil on private interests. But that's the way depraved governments have operated throughout history. They pull the wool over the eyes of their citizenry by conjuring up external threats and then commit the most dastardly deeds behind their backs.
The use of 9/11 to justify the invasion of Iraq to transfer control of its oil fields to Western oil companies and establish permanent military bases there from which to protect the oil fields and pipelines is an extension into the post-peak oil period of what the U.S. and its allies have been doing for decades in the Middle East to get cheap oil.
So the Bush/Cheney administration's lies to the American people about Iraq are not a departure from prior chapters in American history. What IS new is that so many truth tellers are emerging from every nook and cranny of government and public life to blow the whistle on their schemes and insist they be held accountable. More ordinary people are becoming privy to what has been going on in the inner sanctums of the Bush administration than has ever been the case in prior conflicts or administrations. The popular drum beat for holding them accountable for their war crimes is only going to get louder as more and more Americans get in the loop and climb on the bandwagon of public outrage.
The Republican Party has been ruined by the conduct of the Bush administration and will bear the stain of its crimes for the foreseeable future. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and company are going to be hounded by human rights activists for the rest of their lives for torturing, kidnapping, illegally detaining and refusing to allow the detainees due process. Domestically, they are also going to be investigated for the rest of their lives for subverting our constitution and abrogating our civil and political rights.
The Bush administration and the various elements of the conservative movement that orchestrated the Bush foreign policy fiascos are going to be vilified around the world for having transformed the country that was once one of the world's most inspiring democracies into the nation that is now the single greatest threat to world peace.
Worse still, ordinary Americans are going to have to fear for their lives in every country in the world where there are aggrieved individuals whose families and friends have been killed and maimed by Bush administration military actions, who will be carrying grudges about these atrocities. There will be harsh lessons for Americans to learn about retribution.
But eventually they will realize they must insist that the U.S. government conduct itself as a law-abiding member of the international community. They will insist on electing governments in the U.S. that use our wealth and ingenuity to help all countries prosper rather than illicitly help private interests seize control of other countries' natural resources, as the Bush administration is attempting to do in Iraq by transferring control of its oil to Western oil interests.
Poet; I'm Canadian. And just after I wrote that nice statement about the euros being a little tired of war I watched a nice little story on CBC about Kosevo... Stupid buggering nationalistic euro fools! How dare the former citizens of Yugoslavia torpedo my arguement!? You'd think they were typical humans or something like that... Grumble grumble grumble....
"This was not a 'mistake' made by an 'incompetent' president. It was those things, to be sure, but leaving it at that would be like describing 9/11 in the history books as an airplane crash. This was a king sporting. This was a war trumped up with zero necessity. This was a war of power and profit. This was a war of immense deceits. This is a disastrous war of epic proportions. My guess is that Americans simply can't go there"
Mike Malloy just said, comparing the Smirk's murders with those of the gun-toting kid at the Nebraska mall, "George Bush murders eight people before I eat breakfast".
How many who recognized the fundamental evil of this wretch and his hitmen poured out agony on the "Sorry World" site in the weeks following the theft of 2004?
But what can be said of the French voters who put in the new Blair, Mossad Sarkozy, into power in the last election, or the rise of neocon blather under the auspices of Bernard Henri-Levy, Pascal Bruckner, Alain Finkelkraut?
For all of those who think that 9/11 was just a random tragedy carried out by a bunch of bizarre nut cases hijacking airliners do two things:
1. Learn about the coefficient of gravity--which is the time it takes for an object to travel through earth's atmosphere in free fall to the ground. Then realize that both WTC twin towers could not have free fallen because they had over 100 plus stories of "stuff" between their penthouse and the ground.
2. Now, go look up the video of both towers collapsing and time them with a stop watch. What you have seen and timed is as physically impossible as the carnage inflicted on 11/22/63 in Dallas by only three bullets from Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle.
The only way such massive structures could have disappeared from the NY skyline so quickly is if there was nothing inside the outer shell of those buildings. Yet the towers collapsed just that quickly and nobody dares to ask how could such a thing have happened.
In our rush to bash America, let's not mistakenly elevate the Europeans. The French are obsessed with nuclear power and sank a Greenpeace ship. The British Labour Party under Blair was totally co-opted. And the Europeans paved the way for us Americans with real estate -- they let the usury institutions run roughshod over private ownership of equity. All owned by banks. I'm told that young people in many/most places can simply forget the notion that they'll ever actually own a home. Perpetual renters. When they were colonial powers (whether Falklands, Iraq, or now impoverished African countries), they took a despotic approach that practically makes Bush look benign. It's bullshit to raise Europeans while condemning Americans to make a point.
The point is well enough taken without a "noble European" myth.
Bravo, Mr. Green.
It's time to change the frame of this whole mess. You've done it very effectively.
But will the political discourse in the U.S. change? Will the democrats stop talking about "mistakes" in Iraq and an "incompetent" president? Will they commit to withdraw every last military man out of Iraq?
Americans are victim to their boorish egoism.
Skippyagogo41--(great name--are you a Brit?)
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I do agree with you that the usa has been funding the security of Europe and did so to oppose a commie takeover of the continant. I'm not sure why you're bitter about the one success story for us foreign policy.
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I agree with you qabout Europe being an example of US foreign policy success and I am not bitter over the fact. My grandfather and my father both fought in WW1 and WWII and the fact that there has not been a WWIII (not yet anyway) certainly speaks well for US postwar foreign policy.
The only thing that wrankles me was David Michael Green's assertion that somehow Europeans are more sophisticated and superior in their political acumen than Americans. The comparison is invalid because it is in effect comparing apples to oranges.
Europe (despite the EU) is nowhere equivalent to the US either in its unity of purpose or ability to project power. It is quite content (and this may be its greatest wisdom) to let America protect it and I doubt that will ever change until there is economic collapse and their small ones cry out for hunger.
Then you will see political crazies come out of the European wood work like so many nocturnal insect pests and the moribund Roamn Catholic Church (who hold the patents on both "Crusades" and "Inqyuisitions") come alive with a vengence and fury.
Europeans, in short, are not some more highly evolved human species as David Michael Green infers. They are instead so many dependent children of the largess of the USA who have so far behanved themselves quite well thank you very much. LIkewise for the Japanese whose current government leader shows how easily our former enemieds in war ca nrevert to their old beliefs.
"As for the Gulf War, it seems quite probable that Bush the Elder (good lord, how do people from this reprobate family keep becoming president?) had his ambassador, April Glaspie, give Saddam a go-ahead to invade Kuwait, especially given that Saddam produced a tape recording of the conversation which has her saying just that. Of course, the Bush folks just claimed that Saddam had doctored the tape, and there went that."
It's not an audio tape. It's a video and Glaspie quite clearly greenlights Saddam's proposed invasion of Kuwait.
"But getting to that requires of American citizens several attributes which have been, shall we say, in something less than great abundance of late. It requires historical background, factual knowledge, a motivation to understand, and the wisdom that results from the combination of all of these. And it requires a substantial degree of courage to go where the facts lead."
Lotsa luck. You're talking about a bunch of phallus-worshipping, bible-thumping, flag-sucking provincials.
O, forget it. . . .
Why does he mince words? Why doesn't he just come out and say what he means? (Just kidding) I think that it is long past due that we apologize to the Mexicans and realign our borders so that they get Texas back. Texas has given us such noteables as Lyndon Johnson, Lee Harvey Oswald and King George II. If the Mexicans don't want it back let's give it to the Palestinians for a homeland.
Glad this piece clears up the incompetent and mistake bullshit that the media has defined the bush administration, all too frequently. The facts speak for themselves, although bush may plead the insanity incompetent deal when he is finally charged as he has probably already preplanned as his defense. Perhaps his memory will fail him conveniently, as it has worked so well for his buddies. To the citizens of the US, I urge you not to let your memory fail the truth of your country's government policies and officials.
Sigh...[strike-that, sounds overmuch like Gore...!]
'No', Bush is NOT 'incompetent' (you are not paying-attention if you think otherwise).
Furthermore, Bush does NOT think he will be "better judged by History". He knows that this is 'so' (not that I envy him his sorry-'role').
Of course 'something smells in Denmark'. Don't worry so much about it all -- do you REALLY think that in the course of two-or-three decades, the entire world had somehow 'gone quite-mad'?
It didn't... It went 'sane' (if 'inhumane/indirect').
Go eat...play with your kids awhile. Relax...
Thank you, Class Act, for a very informative post on the Godzilla project. I learned much from it. If some of you skipped over it as it was so long, maybe now would be a good time to read it.
Especially that guy who claims no one can prove 911 was an inside job.
(sigh)
Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
Man who blew the whistle on Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cossiga_ex_italian_pres_intel_agencies_know_911_inside_job.htm
I agree with Dave Eriqat,
I've spent so much energy and emotional wellness complaining and worrying about things that I cannot change. I want serious change in this country, but I also worry that it has gone to far. Too few people have too much power, coporations that are evil are also so entrenched in this country that the only real path to change is going to take a complete breakdown of the system we currently have, and when that happens, things are going to be really bad for a while.
So I guess the only thing to do is pick an issue your really passionate about, work on that issue, and other than that, just make sure your self-sustainable, so when the shit hits the fan, you can take care of yourself, because the government is not going to be there for you.
lzcrmc: Before you start attacking people for questioning the facts about 9/11, do some research and you will see that although there is no hard evidence that points to 9/11 as an inside job, there are still a lot of unanswered questions surrounding the events of 9/11. And the Bush administration has done everything it can to make sure those questions are never answered. Why? All of the conspiracy "nuts" as you call them would be shut up if the facts would be made avail.
For example, there are a number of questions relating to the plane that crashed in the pentagon. The turn that the plane supposedly made to hit the building was nearly impossible for a plane of that size to do. An ex-airforce pilot said that he wasn't sure if he could. And this was supposedly amateur pilots?
There were a number of gas stations in the area that supossedly have video camera evidence of the plane hitting the pentagon. Those video tapes have yet to be released to the public. Why? Why not shut up the conspiracy theorists by proving the original story correct with video evidence.
I'm not saying that I believe all the consipiracies around 9/11, I just think that something smells fishy, but the administration is denying that fish even exist.
Dave Eriqat,
great post! Thanks.
Instead of "Give me liberty or give me death", maybe the rallying cry of Americans should be "Give me denial or give me death!" That would be much more honest, more accurate, much more indicative of reality, as it stands.
Imo, only until there is a worldwide moral awakening --- not only in America btw, though it is desperately needed there too -- will postive, progressive change become possible. We (all) have not even begun to become fully human. Not even close. Not yet. And when/if that occurs, then we can begin to progress. First comes the moral awakening....then comes the steps towards good change....
Stupid humans...
One day... ;)
Thanks to DM Green for a great piece.
America, land of the free and home of the brave? LOLLLLLL
That could only be true IF and ONLY IF:
cowardice WAS bravery, and
freedom WAS slavery, and even then ONLY IF
ignorance WAS wisdom.
LOlllllllllllllll
lzcrmc ,
Maybe that 'moron' sat stupefied in that Fla classroom because he was playing at being the fool. He's quite skilled at it you know. He's been in character for most all of his life. Have you never seen the video of him in the Oval Office mockingly searching for the WMDs? It was hilarious, wasn't it! Yeah, hilarious if you're a psychopath like gw and his ilk. And that btw is only one example of the mountains of available evidence of that clowns psychopathy, morbidity, and more.
Alas...Green is correct, and you lzcrmc seem to be in denial. Tin foil? LOl
Don't worry lzcrms. As regards *denial*, One size fits all too ;)
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And for those Americans who feel personally offended or implicated by what Green said here:
"To a very large extent, those who would ignore the crimes committed in their name - crimes they have the power to stop - become criminals themselves."
all I can say to y'all is stay away from mirrors. You know who you are! LOLLLLL
Outstanding analysis. I agree that Americans are "immature" in a historical and political sense, ignorant even of their own history. I'm often so disgusted with Americans for their simplistic, nationalistic view of things. Their unsophistication, ignorance, and immaturity explains why they are so easily manipulated with blatant lies. I also agree that acknowledging the true psychopathic nature of our present leadership is too troubling for the vast majority, so they refuse to consider it, preferring to bury their heads in the sand. Americans, perhaps more than any other culture, have literally been brainwashed since birth to believe in their government, right or wrong. (I vividly recall all the efforts to brainwash me from childhood. Fortunately, they didn't "take.")
"Sometimes the choice is between denial or death." What a succinct and accurate explanation for Americans' apparent willingness to tune out reality. I once found the real world immensely troubling. Today I'm so inured to the way the world really works that Bush's behavior doesn't surprise me in the least. Nor does it cause me much anxiety. I've come to recognize that there's nothing I can do to change the situation. The only rational course of action is to focus on self preservation, selfish as that sounds. And I have sought to do just that.
One mistake "progressives" continually make is thinking that collective action can change the situation. Only if a huge – and I mean huge – percentage of humanity rises up against the establishment, perhaps violently, can real change occur. The tiny percentage of humanity that calls itself progressive can wail at the top of its collective lungs all it wants and nothing will change. The other thing that may produce positive change, ironically, is economic collapse brought on by the finite limitations of our planet. Peak oil may ultimately turn out to be a blessing by forcing humanity to live more within its physical limits and rediscover the pleasure of local community over cheap globally produced goods.
I think you ignore one of the principal reasons for invading Iraq: oil. In this age of peak oil, control of the stuff is vital.
Dave Eriqat
Poet, for most of the last 62 years European countries couldn't afford to maintain large armies. They were paying off the loans taken out to pay for WWI and WWII. Not to mention trying to rebuild industries, infrastructures and replant their really small forests. How many civilians in the usa died during those two wars, and how many European civies died. I don't think it's the death of soldiers that made people question the value of militarism and nationalism, it was the large number of women and children who died that accomplished that. The us civil war was small beer compared to those two wars. The result for the civil war and the two world wars on the usa was that you went from a backwater nation to the strongest country on the planet. For Europe it was the opposite, each of the major european powers lost their empires, their influence on world affairs and their fortunes. They went from nations that had it all, or almost all, to having nothing but stone monuments to the dead.
I do agree with you that the usa has been funding the security of Europe and did so to oppose a commie takeover of the continant. I'm not sure why you're bitter about the one success story for us foreign policy.