If I was not completely asleep during my civics classes I think that "impeachment" starts in the House of Representatives and not the Senate. Biden is a Senator. Should our Child-With-A-Sword attack Iran then impeachment is a moot point as the United States will be finished...

Among all the current Presidential candidates on both sides, Joe Biden has the most complete understanding of the horrendous situation Bush and Cheney have created in the Middle East!! He should free himself of all restraints of his handlers and be straight with the American people, who are looking for a real leader at this time in history!! If we don't get a President to lead us in a new direction, we are on a downward spiral that will ruin this country as a Free and Democratic society! Break free, Joe!!

Among all the current Democratic presidential candidates, Joe Biden is far and away the top co-conspirator with Bush and Cheney in selling the Iraq invasion to Congress, far and away the most directly responsible for that disaster. He has never apologized for or acknowledged his critical role as Chair of the Foreign Relations Committee. Biden's August 2002 hearings on Iraq, ostensibly questioning the Bush gang's moves toward war, in fact excluded the strongest and most credible voices against war, such as Scott Ritter, and hid the fact that Bush had already started the war with bombing and ground operations, without any authorization from Congress. Biden has blood on his fumbling hands. He has never supported self-determination for the Iraqi people, and now he wants to impose partition on the country. What an ass. He knows full well that as a senator he has no authority to initiate impeachment - that's up to the House.

More talk from the Democrats. Any action in the works?

The classic IF THEN statement! IF bush attacks Iran THEN...
This is nonsense. Nobody is going to impeach bush no matter what he does.
How about this statement Mr. Biden - "IF I was doing my job THEN bush would already be impeached!"
You haven't been doing your job, you continue to fail to do your job, and you have no intention of eventually doing your job.
Your own admission says that you are willing to wait until bush has destroyed America before you will do anything. You are therefore unfit to be a Senator and certainly unfit to lead the nation.

Biden is an obvious stooge. His only hope is stupidity and complacency.

'Among all the current Presidential candidates' ... the only one actually doing anything to impeach Dick Cheney and then the President is Dennis Kucinich with his resolution HR 1234.

Judge the candidate that you will support and vote for by the actions they have taken that represent their stands and yours ... this is the only way to have an electable AND worthwhile candidate!

Please read the 'Kucinich for realists' op-ed:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/29/5496/

Gee Joe,

What about the FISA conviction, the Dept of Justice firings, torture or any of the other dozen or so high crimes and misdemeanors he has already committed?

Way to get out front on the issues.

My guess is he already knows that it will the Israeli's doing the bombing on our behalf.

Ok, let me get this straight. The United States' occupation in Iraq is illegal. When someone asked Biden why not impeach Bush and Cheney now, Biden said "it may not be constitutionally valid and potentially counterproductive." And if Bush unilaterally bombs Iran, Biden will push for impeachment. WTF????? Sorry Joe, you are an idiot and accomplice to mass genocide!

THELORAX SAID: " IF I was doing my job THEN Bush would already be impeached ". That says it all!

whatfools - nice catch.

All excellent points above by my fellow Common Dreamers!

What Senator Biden is saying is that he will act on impeachment when the world goes to hell, which is tantamount to not acting at all, for by then it will be too late!

Does Biden think that if Baby Bush attacks Iran, impeachment proceedings -- if they can even get off the ground -- against Bush will somehow stop the hostilities?

All I know is that I will never vote again for ANY Democrat in office since 2000 (except Kucinich). And it's not that I don't care what the consequences of that might be---It's that so many people have died and suffered because they failed to uphold (by oath) The U.S. Constitution, period. THE DEMS ARE DONE---It's time for us citizens to run (WITHOUT corporate whoring), convict them on their record, and get the US back on Planet Earth....

I'm curious what they'll do, if anything, to prevent the bomb from dropping in the first place.

Justice is not served by simple impeachment of one person -- if the offense is the premeditated dropping of nukes on Iran and killing potentially millions to serve some madness.

WTF!? How about being pro-active and prevent this catastrophic event from happening in the first place? There is more than anough reason to impeach now!!!

No kidding Terremar. After a bomb is dropped it is too late. It is already too late. Impeachment proceedings should have already started - Kucinich has been trying this for some time now (yay Kucinich!). Just more postponing and pandering, more of the same.

Impeach to prevent the act! Probably not.

If you contact your Reps, all you would get is a form letter with a bunch of yada, yada, yada.

As for Biden, ---- you've all said it already.

I see Senator Biden believes that if our president commits an impeachable offense, that he should be impeached.

Evidently Biden is of the mind set, that the crime must fit some specific catagory. Bush has already committed SEVERAL impeachable crimes Joe Biden, where have you been concerning those?

Why wait until Bush bombs Iran to do your sworn duty? If we bomb Iran, impeachment will be a moot issue, for as Scott Ritter pointed out on another string here, we will not survive as a nation if that happens. Get off of your soapbox and urge Congress to begin the justifiable impeachment of Bush NOW.

Hmm.... Bush and the Democrats are already waging war against Iran in the forms of economic "sanctions," admitted special forces incursions into Iranian territory to gather "intel" and train "our terrorists," and passing a resolution categorizing the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as terrorists--call it "soft" war or "cold war," it's still warfare AND its already been declared by Congress.

As with Iraq, we need to stop the ESCALATION of the ALREADY existing war with Iran.

Speaking of impeachment....

I happened to see this short video clip today of the MSM's reaction to the fact that "Condi" Rice absolutely DID have advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks in July 2001 (prior to the Presidential Briefing memo) and "brushed it off".

Of course the Executive Director of "The 9/11 Commission", Philip Zelikow (Condi's good friend who co-authored a book with her!) made certain there would be no mention of this in the "official" accounting.

Add one more charge to the impeachment list. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SPjZjACbRQ&feature=related

Everyone here is correct. The time for Impeachment is right now. The whole world is watching.

"...Biden stated unequivocally that he will move to impeach President Bush if he bombs Iran without first gaining congressional approval." Whew! Since that would never happen, I feel safe now.

"The president has no authority to unilaterally attack Iran, and if he does, as Foreign Relations Committee chairman..." my party better get a piece of the tough-on-terrorism media action.

Could he be Bide'n his time? Could there be a strategy here?
The names of these people reads like something from a great and dastardly fiction... remember Henry with something to HYDE, and Bob born to DELAY (truth and justice), and
Old Jessie too long at the Helms, and Alan born to Span the range of fiscal Green,
and Madeleine "All Bright" on the Western front, and Oliver North by Northwest, and remember police commissioner born to make NYC SAFIR, and on and on. (I have a much longer list, but this must suffice for now.)

"Biden said he is in the process of meeting with constitutional law experts to prepare a legal memorandum saying as much and intends to send it to the president."

A clinical psychologist I know (no, he's not my therapist) suspects Bush of having Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Justin Frank's book "Bush on the Couch" does not use the term NPD to describe Bush, but it comes close. Unfortunately, the type of statement uttered by Biden may actually encourage Bush and his likeminded co-thugs at the White House to bomb Iran.

Bohica

Hogwash. Biden is full of it. He says they need clear evidence for impeachment. Hello! As if there isn't plenty of evidence for impeachment from scores of illegal activities for this admistration. And Big Shot Biden says if Bush bombs Iran, he will begin impeachment( yeah right, that's what the House does). Besides, if any Congressman says he will impeach Bush and Cheney, then you can be sure all you're getting is lies,lies,and statistics(Mark Twain). If impeachment proceedngs begin, then Bush WILL Bomb Iran, declare Marshall Law, and stop 2008 elections. Biden and all the rest are a living example of Bush's blackmail and all are full of hogwash.

Abbybwood: Thanks for the link. I can't believe it came out a year ago and nobody has put the pieces together. This is not 9/11 conspiracy "wingnuts" stuff. WTF is going on?

IMPEACH NOW!!!

And Biden is full of it!

I hate to put it this crudely -- but is Biden waiting for one of Bush's crimes to rise to the level of a BJ?

Okay people...

I agree that Biden is full of it. He's always been a pompous windbag who fancies himself a foreign policy uber-wonk. Every word that comes out of his mouth is self-aggrandizing.

Furthermore, I'm sure he made this comment merely to draw media attention and lure a few lefties over to his anemic presidential campaign.

Nevertheless, it is refreshing to see a mainstream politician talking about impeachment. As much as you all worship the ground Kucinich walks on, he is not, nor will he ever be, taken seriously by the mainstream media. He can scream about impeachment until his lungs collapse and will always be dismissed as a crank.

While Biden is many things, pompous, arrogant, verbose, abrasive, he is still an accepted member of the DC elite. When one of them suggests impeachment, however narrowly, it's good for the impeachment movement.

And to clarify, of course the House initiates impeachment. But all Biden said was that he would "move for impeachment". Anyone can do that. Granted, there is a Constitutional conundrum regarding a sitting Senator pushing to impeach; since, if Bush were impeached, Biden would be a juror on Bush's trial (and thus, supposed to be impartial). Russ Feingold raised this point in the summer. Nonetheless, Biden did not misspeak by saying he'd move to impeach.

SIOUXROSE-----What great name connections----clever yet chillingly accurate. I love puns---the highest form of humor, IMO.

All previous posters----I think it is about as clear as it can get that with the exception of Kucinich and his co-sponsors, Dems would rather protect their political "hides" ( electoral chances) than the Constitution or the planet. Complicit criminals !

We need a complete shake up of this rigged system. The Dem ledership is guilty of treason, pure and simple. The fact that they now even use the I word is because it is beginning to alarm them how many of their constituents are demanding it. They ought to be concerned. The American people are waking up and are onto their disgusting lies.

Resolved: Biden's a tool. But, as timkidd noted, the consensus on impeachment is beginning to shift. This may be a desparate attempt on his part to gain attention by co-opting Kucinich's platform, but it's still good news that another presidential hopeful is putting impeachment back on the table.

And the credit goes to Dennis. This is proof of his leadership capabilities. Even the MSM will at some point have to recognize this. This is good news, folks! There's a ray of hope, and it's growing stronger.

Spread the word: http://www.dennis4president.com

" A case for impeachment must have clear evidence, Biden said, and blame should be directed at the right parties. "

Jeeze, you'd think the Dems could find a semen spattered dress and get this over with.

why the hell is he waiting for bush to bomb iran. impeachment should have been started years ago. what a joke. in the end, they will all walk with no accountability.

IMPEACH NOW NOT THEN.

Would big talkin Biden move to impeach if the Loonitary Decider decides to, oh, I don't know, declare the Constitution null and void? Oh, right, done deal already. Okay - what if God tells him to illegally spy on ALL 'mercans? Right, right, sorry. Done and done. Elimination of habeas corpus? Damn. Forgot. Did it, got a t-shirt. Lying to Congress and the rest of the world over and over and over again? Murdering and maiming a couple million innocents for resource control? Transferring our entire Treasury into the pockets of a few good friends? Deploying mercenaries on "homeland" streets? Ignoring subpoenas, court orders? Traitorously outing a CIA NOC agent?

No? No impeachment? But bombing Iran - that's the deal breaker? Eat sh*t, Joe, and shut the f**k up while you're at it. Your total lack of action for seven years entitle you to speak only at your retirement dinner.

With this American government that raises war against any sovereign nation just because it thinks there could some money be made, I have come to wonder about the war in Iran. I mean, it's hard to see where the profit lies. On the short term 200 dollar oil might seem worthwhile, but in the long run you need a market able to buy your goodies so in the end the best strategy still is controlled price explosions. So it won't be Iran. The whole world is talking about Iran. Iran is just an urban legend. The real target lies somewhere else and I have a feeling it is called Venezuela. There is a lot of oil there, the country hardly has an army and geographically spoken it is basically Southern Gulf of Mexico. Hey, it already sounds American.

Biden...a Kucinich wannabe?
Wait for another war before impeachment?
Just how many unjust wars equal a BJ anyway?
Keep bugging your Congress people..It is HR 333 now HR 799
HR 1234 is Kucinich again..but to end the war.
dennis4president.com
Nothing and no one else make any sense.

Hey, Joe - guess what - You're too late, too late, too late . . . . .

When candidates want a rise in the polls they'll sometimes state the obvious. But thanks just the same.

The only real grain of comfort or joy I find in this article is the phrase:
"...whose words were followed by a raucous applause from the local audience..."

*Raucous applause* = an expression of the TRUE heart of America!
= Spontaneous exuberance being expressed by those who are sick to their very souls of the imbecilic nutjobs now "running –(read ruining)- their country"...

This was not a reaction sponsored by Murderous-Murdoch-and-Co.
This was not 'raucous applause' - as cultivated by the goons in the Gray House.

No.
This was the Peoples' response, -one born of understanding that 'The System' is broke, and is thoroughly rotten and corrupt, and it's been taken over by crazed ghouls in flashy suits, and that *they* - (the be-suited US villains, -not any race of peoples wearing turbans), **are the true enemies of America!!**

I am much gladdened by The Peoples' response.

There is certainly hope yet. It's just a shame that this hope cannot also encompass the likes of the posturing politician *Joe Biden-his-time* ~or whatever his confounded name is!

Ragdoll, excellent point on "Right to Life"!

Yes, weirdharold, everyone has their middle finger in the wind.

Seriously, Biden warning Bush of impeachment if Bush takes miltary action against Iran without Congressional approval is absurdity run amok.

"High crimes and MISDEMEANORS." Webster's Ninth definition of "misdemeanor: 1.) a crime less serious than a felony 2.) MISDEED!!

I think it's safe to say that major crimes have already been committed by this administration and the Congress (including Sen. Biden and his votes). Biden's acquiescence and support of the war against Iraq is equally impeachable, in my opinion. Speaking of acquiesing, check out this video of Sen. Hillary Clinton trying to defend her vote to support a military "Shock and Awe" campaign against the innocent people of Iraq whose only "crime" was living under Saddam Hussein:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cZcY6TGfAxE

For Biden to suggest we WAIT until Bush actually starts the conflagration (which is most likely already on hair trigger...when is the next "new moon"?), is akin to a parent having a child who is an out of control pyromaniac and saying to the child after multiple "smaller fires", "If you keep playing with these matches laying around and burn this house down you're gonna GET it!!!"

Of course this is the classic idle threat. A smart parent will remove the matches, get serious counseling for them and the child and watch him 24/7 until the danger of his behavior is behind them.

Obviously neither Biden, nor Clinton or any other candidate running for President has the "judgment skills" to have all the worlds' lives in his/her hands. Sorry. The only candidate I would trust with my life is Kucinich, and for all I know he's nothing more than a Democrat shill to let the Progressive steam off the political pot. Hey! At this point I'm feeling just a little cynical! I can just see his "repeat performance" after the primaries...standing on the stage with....Obama?? with all the happy "delegates" waving their placards.

I was feeling Ron Paul's general message of liberty, ending the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and his obvious expertise regarding the economy and debt etc. Then last night I read his weekly newsletter and he was blathering on to his constituents in Texas about them being able to continue their "Happy Motoring" and that he would vow to open AWAR and the coasts to oil exploration etc. What happened to his "states rights" hoo-ha? Cause I can guarantee President Paul he'd have a rough time getting Californians to allow any off-shore oil drilling there! Look at the disaster that just happened in the San Francisco Bay with just a tanker accident! And never mind the problem of burning fossil fuels and global warming.

Excuse me while I decorate my tree, make some Christmas cookies, drink eggnog with LOTS of rum and listen to some soothing carols.

Duh.

Joe Biden for Intern!

Oh, I'm sure after Bush attacks Iran, we'd see Biden coming up with reasons why impeachment then shouldn't be pursued after all. He's good at it, he's been ignoring for the last 6 years all the very valid reasons for impeachment already listed above.

Democrats, talk tough for a PR statement, especially when in a floundering campaign. Then they'll vote Republican when in office.

There's lots of money to be made in Iran. Go read Naomi Klien's book "The Shock Doctrine". It doesn't spell this out specifically, but you'll see the pattern.

Just a for-instance. As part of an attack, we'd probably destroy the telephone networks in Iran. Then, after we control the country, the contract to 'reconstruct' the telephone networks would go to some Republican connected company. They'd basically steal the money assigned, and then leave announcing they weren't able to complete their contract.

That's happened over and over again in Iraq. Just pay attention. And read Naomi Klien's book!

Its the topic, not the politician that won't be taken seriously in the corporate propaganda machine.

Kucinich isn't taken seriously precisely because the positions he takes can't be taken seriously. If Kucinich had been supporting the wars in Iraq and Iran and maybe more consoldation of the corporate media, he'd be taken very seriously.

Biden won't be taken seriously on this topic. And if he talks too much on this sort of topic, you'd see the corporate media treating him like Kucinich.

What about the Iranians under the Bush bombs? As their skin falls off from radioactivity far more deadly than in Hiroshima or Nagasaki will they find some comfort in last thoughts that at least Bush or Cheney may be impeached?

Remember those "bunker busters and mini-nukes" with what El Bareidei calls "cute sounding names" are far more lethal than any nuclear bombs yet exploded on the planet.

And by the way, where is that vociferous narrowly focused "Right to Life" group on this issue? Do Iranian embryos too have a right to life too? Or just American ones??? The right to be born without the horrible malformations apppearing among Iraqi newborns, consistent with malformations not seen since post Hiroshima and Nagasaki!!!

Joe has very good understanding of the sisuation in Iraq and he should be elected president. All others only have their finger in the wind.

Let me see if I understand uncle Joe, We bomb the shit out of Iran then we tell Bush its not allowed. Did I miss anything.

Nice try, Joe. I believe you're serious, but does anyone seriously believe that this cowardly, corrupt Democrat Congress would impeach and convict the Cheney/Bush crime family even if it used nuclear weapons against Iran? Especially considering that their paymasters, AIPAC, would be opposed.

PORTSMOUTH - Presidential hopeful Delaware Sen. Joe Biden stated unequivocally that he will move to impeach President Bush if he bombs Iran without first gaining congressional approval.

BushCo needs to be impeached BEFORE he bombs Iran.

Why not impeach Bush/Cheney now for the crimes already committed BEFORE they bomb another country??? It is time to start the impeachment proceedings and get these people under oath, before congress and the public and make them answer the tough questions. If we don't do this and we let these self-serving, incompetent arrogant politicians wreak even more havoc on the world, there will be no saving our world reputation. We must impeach to retain our honor.