This is just standard practice for politicians, lie, lie, and more lying. Why tell people the truth that you are serving, you don't have too, you are on a higher plane.......in their twisted view of the situation.

can you see that smirk on cheney while he is sitting on the bottom of the murky river held down by a cement weight? funny hahah

So Bush and Cheney are liars. Big suprise.

I admire McClellan for having the nads to come out about it though.

I don't know---did he really have a choice? I mean the evidence was all presented at the Libbey trial. Coming clean now just seems like his attempts to restore some credibility to his own tarnished reputation. His mea culpa still passes the buck---" hey it wasn't me! I was just saying what they told me." Like saying the devil made me do it.

Like all the others abandoning the sinking ship, he does not want to accept any real responsibilty for his wilful blindness, if not his complicity. It rings hollow to me.

"White House Press Secretary Dana Perino said it wasn't clear what McClellan meant in the excerpt. 'The president has not and would not ask his spokespeople to pass on false information,' she said."

I'll bet she was shaking in her pumps as she said that!

One word: impeach

Either impeach bush/cheney, or impeach Pelosi for shirking her duty to the people of the US, and the oath of office she took.

The intentionally obtuse Dana Perino laughably says Bush "has not and would not ASK his spokespeople to pass on false information." (emphasis added). Of course he wouldn't ask - they're called ORDERS or MANIPULATIONS.

These people are dragging us down for god sakes just cement shoe the bunch and throw them all in the Potomac river! why the hell should we keep this game of theirs going til they either resign or their term is up and they are "Scott" free.

sorry for the cross posting, but the site keeps logging me on to this story instead of the free trade headliner.

this morning on an exclusive interview with WBAI/Pacifica's mimi rosenberg, dennis kucinich stated that on his first day as president, he would get the u.s. out of nafta and the wto. no other candidate has spoken so clearly and forcefully on this issue.

Don't rely on Congress to do anything about this!

The Bush-Cheney Crime Syndicate are famous for passing along "false information, misinformation, misleading information, misstatements" blah blah blah.

Let's not forget the "flawed intelligence" (hehe) that led to the attack and occupation (we're STILL there?) of Iraq.

Let's just skip the politically correctness and euphemisms and say what it actually is -- LIES.

Correction, rjmart01. It is unlikely that Perino or Snow or any of the other neocon mouthpieces need to be ordered to say or do anything.
Their white house jobs are a stepping stone in their neocon career ladder that ultimately leads to $50,000 per day speaking engagements at neocon events.

Everyone's abandoning the sinking ship of fools. After the next election cycle, even Bush will finally come clean and tell Diane Sawyer all about how Cheney tricked him into believing he didn't have shitforbrains.

dmia:
"I admire McClellan for having the nads to come out about it though."

Sounds like "nads for book profit" to me. Why the hell didn't he have the "nads" when it was happening. He seems to know a LOT now for having been so deceived THEN, eh?

"can you see that smirk on cheney while he is sitting on the bottom of the murky river held down by a cement weight? funny hahah"

Knowing our luck this motherf~!@er's pacemaker will still keep him alive !!

Hi Claudius, I don't expect our piss-ant Congress to do anything about this either. UNLESS, our spinless media, finally has the nerve and guts to get on it BIG time. I don't use the word BALLS, because our balls are actually our weakest links.

We'll see, it is Thanksgivng and football will rule the airwaves. Unless,,,, Paris Hilton or some other big boobed blond gets a parking ticket or farts in church.

bush never actually pledged to fire anyone...he said anyone involved in a leak would be "taken care of"....and Libby was well taken care of..as has been cheney, and Bush himself.

Um not for nothing but isn't this enough now to impeach and try the bastards? Or am i missing something? Then again, wasn't the Downing Street Memo the evidense needed on being mislead to war? What the fuck is really going on? What more do they need to prosecute the Bush Crime Family?!

In related news...The Presidential thankgiving turkeys have been pardoned for leaking Cheney's Oil Industry designed engery policy to the public.

Gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble it all up

Dick Cheney is like the Scarab beetle in the movie "The Mummy." It was found in a pyramid enclosed in amber, and when released from its amber enclosure, it became alive again. It was everlasting and eternal.

It appears we just can't get rid of Cheney no matter what. How many heart attacks has the man had anyway? Four or five, but the battery just keeps it pumping away, much to the detriment of the world. :(

I don't blame McClellan for waiting to spill the beans on Bush. A person in his position must garner other credible sources to back him up before he said anything. That can take time, as it also takes quite a bit of time to have a publisher insure the facts are substaniated, before any credible book of such a serious nature is published.

Another thing is, McClellan was very possibly in danger, he may have been threatened. When you are on a team who plays hardball, you better be careful, sort of like being a hit man for the Mafia. I mean, even the Kennedys' were targeted. I'd sure hate to be a member of the Cheney /Bush mob. Look at that picture of Cheney, that's pure evil and it cannot be hidden. Like the picture of Dorian Gray.

Hi Kem,

It always is good hearing from you. Love the humor! Have a great holiday!

Question, What do the Republicans have on the Demos that they won't pursue this matter.

Hello? Can we impeach now? Harry are you out there? Take your head out of the turkey's ass and do your job. Or are you too busy guzzling the gravy?

Happy Thanksgiving

Ramsay

saywhat:
Question: "What do the Republicans have on the Demos that they won't pursue this matter?"

Well, according to the rumour mill, the Democrats were threatened with a certain attack on Iran if they went ahead with impeachment. True or not? Who knows. Things like this fall under "conspiracy theory" but in this day and age it seems there is NOTHING too scary to be true.

We are being distracted from something. Probably Iraq oil contracts.

HMM, SOUNDS AS IF BUSH DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IMPEACHED AS HE WILL BE FIRING HIMSELF ANY DAY SOON.

JUST LOVE THE WORD " MISSTATEMENT"

Cheney's look of pure unadultereted evil suggests perhaps that a new Dr Frankenstein was creating monsters 60+ years ago.

What surprises me is that anyone is at all surprised that Bush, Cheney, et al lied. Of course they did. That's what they are best at.
I'll wager that McClellan knew at the time he was lying. From where else but the off-White House could the leak to yellow journalist Novak have come? Would he have printed the story on the word of a CIA janitor or phone operator? Tell-all books written years after the fact have no usefulness except to make lots of money for the authors, who should have known better at the time.
(See also Alan Greasespan, and a veritable horde of former Bushies who now can't wait to tell all, in print, with a huge advance!)

I'm not surprised they lied, I'm surprised anyone whth McCllan's credibility and was in the inner circle, has blown the whistle. Hope he sticks to his first story. We'll see. actually this is realy big news. We'll also see if the big people cover it. It's as bad as Watergate. Let;s hoe it end in that manner too, only much quicker.

Why won't this edit system allow me to edit half of the time?

One comment to dmia about admiring McClellan for having the nads to come out about this affair - McClellan would have been more admirable if he had said something while he was a memebr of the administration and resigned over it rather than continue to be the mouthpiece for the administration... There's nothing admirable about knowing of an impeachable offense and saying nothing about it.

And I really wish columnists would stop characterizing lies as "misstatements". "Misstatement" implies lack of knowledge or ignorance... Everything about this Plame affair suggestes the opposite in that the administartion was calculating, deceitful, purposfully obfuscating, and outright lying.

I previously offered a different opinion than yours Ghost Rider, It made sense to me. We don't know what pressues McClellan was under when he was replaced. At least I don't know,___ do you?

Pecking order in the national security state:

Top/ Initiating liars spewing bold lies
Middle/ Spin liars lying to cover asses of
initiating liars
Bottom/ Indignant liars pretending
consequences for top and middle liars

The National Security State, aka Prevaritocracy, does at least have a formal definition:

A mentally disorderd polity ruled by popular addiction to official and personal untruths; predictably culminating in multi-form disaster for average adherents; short-lived for all, once reaching full development.

"Why won't this edit system allow me to edit half of the time?"

Good question, Kem. I've sent a couple of queries to the web master about this and have gotten nothing back. I think s/he doesn't know SQL.

I got a very pleasnat answer Immyself. He said they had a problem with their software and were going to change it. Didn't say when.
Hoe they fix it so we can use the CD Stats page again, that's an excellent tool.

KEM,

Good news!

If you use your browser HISTORY, you will discover as I just did, that the "missing" DU article is still here on the server, it just no longer has a link from the archives page, but this worked a moment ago:

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/18/5309/#comment-139993

Namaste

P.S. I guess the editor "angels" fly in the blind sometimes

Uh, yeah, hey folks, when IS the impeachment, anyway?

Hellooooooooo!

Cheney says, "there are no-nos you know and there are no-nos you no know; I know no-nos you no know; state secrets, ha ha."

I love Perino's statement. I wonder what she'll say in her book.

If Congress and the Democrats don't impeach this treasonous conspiracy then we will know who the silent partners are.

This really isn't such surprising news, is it? The only thing we didn't have up to this point was confirmation from someone on the inside about it; now we do.
The real question now becomes, "What else has gone on in this super-secret neo-conled cabal that we need to have confirmed?" There have been many instances in the nearly seven years past where the "spin" probably did not match the truth to the point of being deliberately framed to mislead and even deceive. And the "closed society" of the Administration has been so strict about what they would allow to come under scrutiny that it will be imperative to begin to re-examine some of them with official (maybe even Congressional) investigations. One suggestion: How about starting off with a real official Congressional investigation of what really took place on 9/11; an investigation with teeth and subpoena power - - no holds barred?
If this sounds like a re-hash of something submitted before, so be it! But the point is now more valid than ever - - these events need to happen, and the sooner the better - - the ruling junta is driving our nation toward oblivion.

Bush and Cheney are impervious to any law and order what so ever. Sadly, with this corrupt truculent Bush cabal, the days of reporting the truth and seeing to it that justice is served are long since gone. They wield an enormus amount of power, which has corrupted absolutely.

If I could note, everyone remembers the Clinton Lewinsky scandal don't they? Ahhh! the good ole days, when this same so called "liberal" media covered that scandal 24-7, like white on rice. They made certain that Clinton was held accountable. But that was a much more pernicious scandal than Bush an Cheney having lied this once great country of ours into an illegal and horrific war. Don't you think!

Someone needs to fix the legs on that broken Impeachment table and fast!

So an improbable investigation now has it's star witness, provided he doesn't succumb to some accident before an investigation probably never materializes.

If they don't get investigated now, I don't see why they don't just start ignoring congress altogether. "Privatize SS? Done, what ya gonna do bout it?" "Iran? Done. try and stop me."

I'm guessing the dems aren't thinking justice here, rather "what kind of deal can we get out of this?" "Lets run child health care past him again."

And the MSM?

Here's today's top stories on CNN http://edition.cnn.com/US/

* Three charged in Natalee Holloway case
* Hard to swallow: Woman develops hairball
* Test your Thanksgiving Day knowledge
* Actor's newborns get accidental overdose
* Thanksgiving traditions, up close and personal
* Homeless man sleeps in a holeVideo (1:25)
* Champ read 'American Gangster' in jail
* King on walkoff: 'I have seen it all now'
* Judge: 'Grinch' back on Broadway

It's like the Weekly World News

I give up.

Lets hear about the hairball, that sounds like real news. Did she happen to know Bill Clinton?

The smoking gun keeps showing up and Pelosi keeps blowing off the smoke and cramming the pistol in her purse.

Lobo Gris

So, Colin Powell, where are you now ?

Bush & Cheney could be caught eating babies at high noon on the White House lawn by the D.C. Chief of Police, with 50 cameras rolling, and Congress would not begin impeachment. It's time to stop being naive and face it folks: the fix is in. The only thing that will change your gov't now is armed takeover by the Great Unwashed.

You all thought Mcclellan was lying before and you believe him now because it fits your beliefs? What a bunch of losers.

It's good to see Dana Perino carrying on the White House Press Secretary tradition of telling at least one lie with every breath. Not that I have any sympathy or respect for Valerie Plame. The CIA is the world's most notorious terrorist organization, and anyone who works for them is a TERRORIST. At least her husband Joe did some good.