With overwhelming bipartisan support, Rep. Jane Harman's "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" passed the House 404-6 late last month and now rests in Sen. Joe Lieberman's Homeland Security Committee. Swift Senate passage appears certain.
Not since the "Patriot Act" of 2001 has any bill so threatened our constitutionally guaranteed rights.
The historian Henry Steele Commager, denouncing President John Adams' suppression of free speech in the 1790s, argued that the Bill of Rights was not written to protect government from dissenters but to provide a legal means for citizens to oppose a government they didn't trust. Thomas Jefferson's Declaration of Independence not only proclaimed the right to dissent but declared it a people's duty, under certain conditions, to alter or abolish their government.
In that vein, diverse groups vigorously oppose Ms. Harman's effort to stifle dissent. Unfortunately, the mainstream press and leading presidential candidates remain silent.
Ms. Harman, a California Democrat, thinks it likely that the United States will face a native brand of terrorism in the immediate future and offers a plan to deal with ideologically based violence.
But her plan is a greater danger to us than the threats she fears. Her bill tramples constitutional rights by creating a commission with sweeping investigative power and a mandate to propose laws prohibiting whatever the commission labels "homegrown terrorism."
The proposed commission is a menace through its power to hold hearings, take testimony and administer oaths, an authority granted to even individual members of the commission - little Joe McCarthys - who will tour the country to hold their own private hearings. An aura of authority will automatically accompany this congressionally authorized mandate to expose native terrorism.
Ms. Harman's proposal includes an absurd attack on the Internet, criticizing it for providing Americans with "access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda," and legalizes an insidious infiltration of targeted organizations. The misnamed "Center of Excellence," which would function after the commission is disbanded in 18 months, gives the semblance of intellectual research to what is otherwise the suppression of dissent.
While its purpose is to prevent terrorism, the bill doesn't criminalize any specific conduct or contain penalties. But the commission's findings will be cited by those who see a terrorist under every bed and who will demand enactment of criminal penalties that further restrict free speech and other civil liberties. Action contrary to the commission's findings will be interpreted as a sign of treason at worst or a lack of patriotism at the least.
While Ms. Harman denies that her proposal creates "thought police," it defines "homegrown terrorism" as "planned" or "threatened" use of force to coerce the government or the people in the promotion of "political or social objectives." That means that no force need actually have occurred as long as the government charges that the individual or group thought about doing it.
Any social or economic reform is fair game. Have a march of 100 or 100,000 people to demand a reform - amnesty for illegal immigrants or overturning Roe v. Wade - and someone can perceive that to be a use of force to intimidate the people, courts or government.
The bill defines "violent radicalization" as promoting an "extremist belief system." But American governments, state and national, have a long history of interpreting radical "belief systems" as inevitably leading to violence to facilitate change.
Examples of the resulting crackdowns on such protests include the conviction and execution of anarchists tied to Chicago's 1886 Haymarket Riot. Hearings conducted by the House Un-American Activities Committee for several decades during the Cold War and the solo hearings by a member of that committee's Senate counterpart, Joseph McCarthy, demonstrate the dangers inherent in Ms. Harman's legislation.
Ms. Harman denies that her bill is a threat to the First Amendment. It clearly states that no measure to prevent homegrown terrorism should violate "constitutional rights, civil rights or civil liberties."
But the present administration has demonstrated, in its response to criticism regarding torture, that it can't be trusted to honor those rights.
Ralph E. Shaffer, professor emeritus of history at California State Polytechnic University, Pomona, and R. William Robinson, an elected director of a Southern California water district, wrote this article for the History News Service.
Copyright © 2007, The Baltimore Sun
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Yes, get out of the blogosphere, organize, run as a delegate to the DNC in Denver, Co in August 2008 and caucus for Kucinich in those states that use that form of selecting delegates. Tell everyone you meet about Kucinich. Wear his button@ put a bumper sticker on your vehicle, put a lawn sign on your lawn, put a flyer or brochure under every vehicle you see at the mall or shopping center that has a Kerry/Edwars, Impeach Bush/Cheney, Question Authority, Stop the War, War is not the Answer etc. Don't just blog, organize! Stop whinning and preaching to the choir! Get out of the blogosphere and tell everyone you meet about Kucinich. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall elect Kucinich http://www.dennis4president.com/home/
To influnce change one must contact the politicians who will vote in the senate about HR 1955 later in the new year , its ambiguity is purposeful because the government can construe charges against any one as it sees fit based on the lack of real definition .Clearly for any one it means no freedom of speech . The John Birch society provides a well written letter that anyone can send via its site to..the senators of their state by providing name,address,and email . The letter asks the senators to vote against HR1955 .Only in this way it may be defeated , the senators and representative are still voted in, unlike presidents which by the way.. anyone who is familiar with the presidential vote knows it is not the case . RON PAUL is the only hope for our country. Unless we prefer the looks of a candidate with $500 haircut or good looks,yet completely devoid of feelings for the plight of us citizens.
I fear one thing and only one thing , we..citizens of this great country of ours are still divided by diverging views about the integrety of our politicians and many of us ,are still watching the corporate media and still believe its gospel of misinformation.
In summation; i read most all of the comments the common denominator is aquiescence and it may well be too late already but we can still hold on to the ideal AMERICA the OLD UNITED STATES THERE OF IF WE THE PEOPLE ARE UNITED AND VOTE FOR CHANGE WHERE OUR VOTE STILL COUNTS. As a veteran of the US ARMY honorably discharged 1975 i never thought the day would come when our representatives in congress would look to CANADA,AUSTRALIA , THE UNITED KINGDOM FOR GUIDANCE IN DRAFTING
LEGISLATION SUCH AS HR.1955 . IS THE OBVIOUS OBVIOUS ENOUGH? Monarchs can foul the air in any bathroom they happen to use just like the rest of us serfs .
I prefer for myself a country where no monarch of any type reigns over me, that is 1776 was all about wasn`t it? it wasn`t about the tea!!!!! i know that much.
It is not up to a lone politician,a crusader knight that has no foot-soldiers to fight battles to save our rights and freedoms ..we must join the battle
by exercising the rights we still have, before losing them as well.
The must reads are , THE PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY , THE NORTHAMERICAN ALLIANCE AND SUPER HIGHWAY,
THE NAFTA , CAFTA AND OTHER TREATIES THAT GIVE AWAY AMERICAN SOVREIGNTY TO OTHER NATIONS,
Seasons greetings to all of you who may read this and prefer to greeted that way other than some other specific greeting .Someday perahps we will free ourselves from the burden of political correctness because i believe that if we could learn to say for example " Merry Christmas to somebody and that somebody replied Happy Hanukkah " neither would have a major problem with it .
I wish you all a safe and happy time with family and friends alike.
ykw54.
Yesterday I did a search for a friend and found some interesting stuff about him he had failed to tell me...
He's an artist who used to work for NASA. In the seventies, he was using some of their brain wave sensing apparatus to produce musical interpretations of the feelings of plants...
Do you guys realize that your thoughts can be monitored (and this is not even a new technological capability)? without your knowing it? and your thoughts can also be manipulated, supplanted, energized, etc.? the thought police?! Give me a break!
You (Jane citizen) have not been guiding anyone's thinking for a longtime even your own... and if you have any importance to anyone... you are being read...
Don't think of it as the police... just your friendly thought analyzer/scripter not wanting you to waste your time pursuing mental activities that may not serve the economic or political interests of the power elite.
Summary: Chips are obsolete and so is the 'Thought Police'! Sheesh!
This insane bill is just one more urgent reason why we need Dennis Kucinich to become the 44th President of our country. He is the only candidate running who will give us our country back. We will lose the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Democratic process if we allow a Corporate funded/owned/CFR membered candidate to win the Presidency. I will not be voting for ANYONE else BUT Dennis in the upcoming elections, and I respectfully ask that my fellow Democrats (and Independents, and swing voters, etc) to please vote for Dennis Kucinich. It is almost becoming irrelevant where you stand on the issues; if you feel pride and respect for the Constitution, if you are damned glad you live in the USA because of the Bill of Rights and our Democratic process, then We the People must give our vote to Dennis Kucinich. The other candidates have sold their souls to the Military Industrial Complex, the New World Order/One World Government, and to the Corporate Facists. PLEASE VOTE FOR DENNIS KUCINICH TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY. www.dennis4president.com/home
PEACE!
Hey, lets not get crazy, I don't know how a Japanese company that has made a product that 'speaks' from the vibrations of one's ear drums is supposed to mean they can read your thoughts. I have a set of walkie talkies for motorcycle riding with the same technology. The ear piece is also the microphone, it cuts down on the back ground noise compared to ones with a microphone and they are ten years old! As to our rights going bye-bye...thier gone and any hope of change will only happen if we believe it can.
Hm, guess we had better start "sucking up" to a few Commanding generals in this sewer. 'Cuz obviously we're gonna need em to fight along side us against Blackwater, the "heroes" in our police-state-Departments, the lackeys in the FBI, CIA, NSA....They'll slaughter our asses by the millions to defend our constitution. You know, the "goddamn piece of paper" SwineBush used to wipe his ass on?
Nobody believes me, but please remember me when the info gets out..
The government already has Thought Reading Technology and have been using it illegally (secretly) for at least 14 years on US citizens (yes, that would be little 'ol me). S1959 is their attempt to legislate the legality of Thought Reading Technology before its existence is even known! It's not surprising that it comes on the heels of the placement of our new Atty. General Michael Mukasey. Obviously, having argued in front of the Supreme Court, he requires alittle more cover for his crimes than the late, great Alberto Gonzales.
Follow this link http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071218135946.bs66t179&show_artic... for information on how easily available this technology has become. A Japanese company has made a product that 'speaks' from the vibrations of one's ear drums!
This legislation fits perfectly with their ability to read thoughts. They want to be able to arrest people for their thinking.
To: Oldguy,
From:Oldgal
Please enlighten me if I'm wrong. It would be a dream come true for me to be able to come to Canada, but I'm sure they would never let me in. I just turned sixty last month, and I feel as if I'm condemned to live out my life here in a country becoming more loathesome every day. I tried for months and months to get a job -- any job -- that was legal, in the UK, and had no luck -- at the age of 34. My understanding now is that it is virtually impossible for an American to emigrate ANYWHERE in the first world, i.e. Europe, the UK and the Commonwealth without bringing with him a large -- make that VERY LARGE amount of money, say, around $250,000 - $500,000.
If you can't bring the money with you, can't get someone to sponsor you, are over a certain age (like around forty), and aren't in a profession that is in need of workers, you might as well forget the whole thing. When I was trying to get a job to work legally in the UK (in the 80s), an employer had to: 1) put out ads in all the national dailies advertising the position over a period of several months, 2) be willing to pay the rail/air fare for any British national who wanted to come and interview for the position, 3)be willing to fill out massive amounts of paperword certifying to the government that no one in all of the UK could be found to do this particular job. On the applicant's (my) side, I had to return to my "country of origin", the US, in order to wait all this out. I couldn't stay in the UK (London, in my case), nor could I go and wait in a closer country (like France, for eg.)
I gave up trying, since I had neither loads of money nor exceptional skills on a high level with the contacts to go to bat for me and go through all the rubbish to hire me.
Now it's out of the question, as I am past the age most countries will allow you to emigrate without bringing a LOT of money with you, which you must be able to prove you will be worth on a long-term basis (in other words, you can't ask your milionaire friends to loan you half a mil so you can get a temp resident visa for, say, OZ, and then give it back once you're in -- LOL.) I'm willing to be there are THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS of Americans like me, who are dying to leave, but are trapped here, watching the ship go down, knowing we're powerless to avoid going with it.
Are you inviting me? I'm a liberal, with too much education and no marketable skills (meaning I'm computer literate, but only just), have health problems as do most boomers at this point, and could only bring intelligence, creativity, compassion, etc. as, like most American liberals, I don't have much of anything else. i.e. not much in the way of money and property. I'd love to come! Thanks for the invite! Now, just show me how to do it, and I'll be on the next flight.
Re: "draft dogers" who fled to Canada in the 60s & 70s: those who came north then were in their late teens and twenties, with plenty of time to work, marry, start families, etc. I wasn't one of them then, because I am a woman. If the same guys who emigrated then were to try it at our current age, they'd never make it.
I believe the many Canadians I've heard issue similar invitations do so, as I'm sure you did, with the best of intentions. But for Americans like me, neither rich, nor young, it is infuriating to know we CAN'T GET OUT. If you really want to do us, and your country, a favor (just because we're over forty and not wealthy doesn't mean we don't have anything to offer), let us know how we can do it. Seriously, help us all out: look into it, and post the truth; offer some genuine suggestions on how it might be accomplished.
Otherwise, correct your entry to read: "We are overdue for a major influx of bright, thinking, YOUNG OR INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY AMERICANS, etc."
FdeL
Calling all liberals! Calling all liberals! Come to Canada where we still uphold the essential freedoms.
Draft dodgers, considered scum in the US, came north in droves during the 60's and 70's. They liked what they discovered up here, and stayed. Susequently they integrated into Canadian life and culture, enriching us immeasurably. Today they remain a crucial component of our society.
We are overdue for a major influx of bright, thinking, independently-minded Americans who believe what they were taught, but who choose to travel a different road from today's conformity-obsessed control masters of the 'right.'
thought police are everywhere....even here..
when I read the authors name, all I could think of was...."Danger Will Robinson, Danger"
The biggest obstacle that most people have, when it come to voting for DK, is that they are afraid that they will be wasting their vote on him. Risking a vote, trumps losing our morality." Soooooo.... Where do we currently stand???
Well, our political, legal, governmental, military and medical systems as well as our unions have all been thoroughly compromised.
Financially, since we are deeply in debt (mostly to China) we are selling off our corporate and country assets, our tax system and the Federal Reserve Banking system are beyond any controls, the demoralized and frightened middle class is being rapidly dissolved, our worldwide reputation is sullied more than at any time in our history and the value of the dollar continues to fall.
Our infrastructure and environment are deteriorating while corporate and political corruption are rampant, bigotry and racism abound, our traditional news sources have become cheering profit centers for the administration and our voting processes are, at best, unreliable.
Not the healthy picture of progress and hope that used to be the norm, prior to the sixties -- before someone started killing off the Kennedy brothers and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
This may sound like a broken record, but the next election is truly going to be critical to the survival of our democratic way of life -- and thus the world.
Perhaps we should begin to think of these individuals that support this administration as bloated, self-absorbed and out-of-control addicts, in need of intervention.
Now, in an intervention, the first thing that has to happen is that the addict must be subjected to the facts of reality until their wall of denial is first exposed and then accepted.
The initial indication that that has occurred is when the addict admits that there is a problem and then becomes actively motivated to do something about it.
It appears that the 2006 midterm elections demonstrated that a growing majority of Americans think things are broken and want a change.
Now, is the time to educate and motivate our fellow citizens to seek out and regain their lost sense of morality.
The next step -- and this is at the heart of the matter -- is what can/should be done to correct our dire situation.
It is going to take some very strong, passionate, wise, emotional and motivating leadership.
Emphasis here should be on "motivating," because our next leader(s) must circumvent the biased media outlets and bring to the voting polls enough voters to overwhelm whatever roadblocks are preventing the large population of apathetic voters from active participation, while also drawing on the new voting power of those who have been mislead and want to help change our current course.
Consider what occurred in the 2006 elections, in that the various bag of "election tricks" that Karl Rove cooked up for that election were simply overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the voter turnout. All that he and his crew of crooks could salvage were enough Senators to block any meaningful political efforts to right our ship of state from the many storms it has been (and is being) subjected to.
When considering leadership, we must seek individuals who have proven their honesty, dedication, wisdom, intelligence and political savvy, while being firmly outside and beyond the powerful corporate/media cabals this leaves Hillary out.
Of the Democratic candidates that are in the race, Dennis Kucinich and Richardson, are by the above standards, the closest matches. Either or both of them together would make a very powerful and capable duo to rectify all of the illegal and immoral damage that they would face.
Realizing that these individuals are, in various circles, considered "long shots" for the Presidency, we must remain hopeful that the wisdom of the American people will break through their frustration over the concept of wasting their vote and ultimately compel them to vote their conscience.
Elaborating on a phrase from the beginning of this statement, "... there must be enforceable laws and/or rules ..." ESPECIALLY in our electoral systems. Even though Rove and his elk may seem to have left Washington, we mustn't let our guard down. They are still practicing their nefarious deeds, somewhere. Keep in mind that the thing about laws and rules is that they are usually created, modified and put into effect AFTER the fact. Since we don't know what booby traps await our votes in 2008 and since the only demonstrated method of assuring any success through the electoral process is by shear volume of votes (a la 2006) -- our best option is to turn out to vote in massive numbers.
Finally, should we work our way out of this madness, one of our first imperatives, as we repair the damage done, should be to prosecute ALL of the criminal acts that this ruthless group of thugs has committed.
This statement is not made with a sense of vengeance, but with an eye toward setting such a strong example with these individuals that they, and their minions, will forever give up on any future attempts to corrupt this, our enlightened struggle for universal, renewable, human freedom.
If we don't understand what we are up against, we are all doomed! Quoted from -- http://www.sonic.net/~taryfast/destruction.html
The only cause worth fighting is the hopeless one. ~Che
We can "Think Mightier Thoughts" than the "Thought Police"
Get Inspired watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrj3Ss-Es0Q&feature=user
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Look, as much as I would like to agree with all of you--and I truly do think the Patriot and Homeland Security Acts were the vilest pieces of degradation to our Constitution--if you actually RTFB, you'll notice that the intent of HR 1955 is to modify the Homeland Security Act and give it some modicum of intelligence.
The purpose of the bill is to take a buck from each of us to study how American terrorists do their thang, so to speak, and insists that this be done in a way that no one's rights are disrespected. Now, you can argue all you want over whether this is worthwhile, or whether a government has the capacity to respect rights, but it does intend to soften the original Homeland Security Act in that it purports to study terrorism as opposed to just run around pointing fingers and tossing brown folk in Gitmo.
Now, a smart government may be more frightening than a stupid one. But Kucinch is not the end-all of honesty. I saw some other names on the Yea list that I do trust (as far as politicians go). Does this mean I think HR 1955 isn't scary? I don't know, but I know I'll read it a couple more times before I make up my mind and won't be won over by some sensationalist knee-jerk piece of writing.
In the UK, the first people they came for were antiglobalisation protestors, I think.
Ultimately, if you're not with them, they wouldn't mind putting you in Gitmo. That's how they think.
gbaldsmoove,
Well said ! ! ! Our Country has gone to hell in a handbasket, made in China. America; A free Country. Free to be run into the ground by the Doctrine of "A Government of the Special Interest, by the Special interest, and for the Special Interest".
LIBERTAS FUGIT
don't you think they know our addresses already????
It's McCarthyism all over again. And the bill will probably pass without any trouble, and the President will sign it and add some additional measures. Wonder what the bill's induction and maintenance will cost annually? But can a health bill for children pass? What we have now is a Fascist Dictator and Fascist government that is no longer for the people or by the people but is run by corporate interests and right wing religiou nuts who love to oppress and imprison dissentors. Our freedom of speech is negated with the passage of this bill. We have lost our Bill of Rights to a traitorous Congress, and a backstabbing Administration.
Twister 22, I LOVED the video... thanks for the laugh... he just should have added the VP... IMPEACH THEM NOW !!! WRITE PELOSI CALL PELOSI DEMAND PELOSI AND CONYERS DO THEIR JOBS FOR US...
ACTION ITEM:
Get a group of people together and visit your local paper insisting to meet with the editor. Demand that this be made a subject.
At the same time, wage a letters campaign.
Preparation includes studying this article, rewriting it as a talking point list, rehearsing the arguments, gathering a diverse group of spokespeople who otherwise disagree strongly on politics. Importantly, find out the logistics of the paper ahead of time (when editors are unavailable due to the production deadlines, etc).
You could also put together a MOCK NEWSPAPER front page mimicking your paper's layout that is chock full of articles making your case, then hand it out in the lobby of that publishing house and outside. I once produced such a mock paper, called it NOT THE NEW YORK TIMES, featuring the Downing Street Memo, and distributed it during the Media & Democracy conference in St Louis as an example of effective activism. Medea Benjamin thought it was a great idea and my 200 copies disappeared like hotcakes. Took me one night of writing, designing and printing proofs, and I spent less than $60 at a print shop.
You may also consider how best to confront your asinine and silent 'representatives'. My guess is that they should hear from a good portion of their constituents less polite assessments, namely that we consider them traitors and useful idiots. Sure, the rule that friendly, constructive criticism is most effective still applies but at least some of the reactions should break with convention and tell it as it is.
Hey-what happened to my post for 11.28.07? Who removed it? Why are all of the other discussions for 11.28 in the pm out of whack time wise? Is the "thought police" here already?
By the way, I already contacted my Senators, Congressmen and Pelosi. I maintain that Jane Harmon should be tried for treason and HANGED.
Here's the roll call of 6 votes against this bill:
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)
Neil Abercrombie (D-HI)
Jerry Costello (D-IL)
Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
John Duncan (R-TN)
There is a beacon of light in this dark hour, and it's in the vigorous, intellectually and morally honest presidential campaign of Dennis Kucinich. What more do we need to put all of our energy into working for his campaign? Note that a vote for who the mainstream media tells us is "electable" is a vote for despair. We've repeatedly seen where that's gotten us in previous elections. We do not have the luxury of allowing ourselves to despair one moment longer. Tune out of the mainstream media, they have no power unless we give it to them. And we won't have the leadership we want for America unless we work for, and VOTE for, Dennis Kucinich. Come on folks, let's make history, we can do it!!
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall elect Kucinich http://www.dennis4president.com/home/
The larger matter is not what is in the legislation, but who is entrusted as CEO to use it, or not. Don't give it to Giuliani or Thompson.
Sorry, the corrected second link is here
Namaste
__ __ __ __ We must be the change
__ __ __ __ we wish to see in the world __ Gandhi
so lets get started. call our senators while there is time. write up a petition to have our senators reject this bill and get signatures. anything at all as long as we act for justice. we dont have time for despair. we just dont have that kind of time.
ALL,
I've just read an update about Australia's 30-yr old "labor upset", which expose fairly clearly what the powerful were doing then, and we can only guess now with more maturity and patience what they can create - perhaps a possible inner gov't within the USA?
For the CD story's on "Australia's Opposition Leader Rudd" (top of page here), or the posting describing th likely 3-time successful de-throner Marshall Green (Chile, Indonesia, and Australia). Some record of mischief, for latest post see here.
Namaste
__ __ __ __ We must be the change
__ __ __ __ we wish to see in the world __ Gandhi
I sense anger and a need for de-caf...
Alexander Solzhenytzin (sp') wrote about essentially similar causative justifications for mass arrests in his "Gulag Archipelago"...
Things are not looking good for the USA, at all. I think the movement towards Fascism is inevitable, now. Good luck, and fight like hell or hunker down and wait for your calling, because in the end whoever the hell THEY are WILL lose and me thinks it won't happen without gross amounts of violence in the streets of America.
Congress is too weak, too pliable and under the control of some type of shadow government - even above the corporate level, although certainly they are no small part. Somebody is controlling this game far beyond what any simple democratically-governed can immediately respond to. Democracy is virtually irrelevant to the issues, now. There is no socialism, no democracy, no Republican, no Democratic Party - just Facists and anti-Fascists soon.
To those who think that Ralph Nader was the cause of Bush's winning the White House, consider that the Democrats have done nothing to oppose the Bush/Cheney agenda. The Congressional Democrats have voted for war, the fund war, to suppress civil liberties by allowing wire taps, email taps, secret prisons, detention without habeas corpus, it goes on and on. The Democrats should look in the mirror, not to Ralph Nader, when they wonder why we the people have no respect for them.
How could it not be that the People choose?
Especially in this day of the internet - let me just say, the ideas are out there...there is no way they can be dominated (or even stifled).
One way or the other, it comes down to individual choices of the People, and at this level, money is often of trivial value.
We can choose to find and implement solutions. We can choose to do this.
Just to be dramatic, let me say this: I label myself a "homegrown terrorist". I'm a terrorist for the US of A.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
rosebuddy 55 - i agree. Follow the money (or maybe "study" would be a better word) to identify the problem. Once identifed, lets have a fair and open hearing. The People will choose one way or the other.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Okay, now I know why a super-wealthy guy like Stanley Dashew who only supports Republicans also supports a Dem like Jane Harman. Is it all over our heads out there? I say: follow the money. That's just what they don't want us to do. That's what we MUST do.
"If one loves "Democracy", the argument runs, one must crush its enemies by no matter what means."
"There is now a widespread tendency to argue that one can only defend "Democracy" by totalitarian methods."
"Defending democracy involves destroying all independence of thought."
"If you encourage totalitarian methods the time will come when those methods will be used against you instead of for you"
George Orwell, "Animal Farm" The Appendix
Page 104
1973 Edition
Both George Orwell and Aldous Huxley feared the American Capitalist Nation, The United States. They feared that The United States would rule the world.
What has happened in the past 50 years?
A President was assassinated in 1963 and all Capitalist Conservatives saw the power that they had. Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller saw the potential for networking with other Conservative Capitalists to push through their agenda through the U.S. Congresses. They had an ally in Lyndon B Johnson and he had a great relationship with U.S. Senators and DOD Generals.
Viet Nam was expanded into a full grown War and many Capitalists made lots of money....They didn´t care that 58,000 U.S. Soldiers died, they got their money. They didn´t care that over 5 million Vietnamese died fighting for their independence, they got their money. They didn´t care that "Agent Orange" and "Napalm" were cancer producing agents and that 100´s of thousands of veterans and Vietnamese have died since the end of the War from cancers produced by those agents, they got their money.
(Oh, the company that knew those agents were cancer producing was immunized against prosecution.)
Then there was the election of 2000. Capitalist Conservatives, including Al Gore, knew that the election was being stolen in Florida and they knew that the Supreme Court had been set up to validate such a theft. They allowed it to happen.
Then came 9/11 and any fool knows that Tower #7 was not hit by debris or attacked by terrorists, yet it too went down like a demolition as the two twin towers did, yet there was no independent investigation (The FBI is a political body made up of Capitalist Conservatives. Even Robert F Kennedy didn´t trust them to investigate the murder of his brother.)....
The Pentagon Attack showed no signs of an airplane hitting the building. However, there is a missle type hole in the wall. Again, there was never an independent investigation.
Capitalist Conservatives chose to avoid going against the "Official Version".
And, now we have over 4 thousand Americans dead, used to steal the oil of Iraq and to gain control of the rest of the Middle East Oil. While over 1.2 million Iraqis have died and over 4 million are now refugees in foreign countries. (British Study). And, Capitalist Conservatives could care less, they got their money.
Captitalist Conservatives are both Republican and Democrat. They "Network" amongst themselves and their Corporate Allies and their "Goal" is to Maximize their "Earnings". They don´t care about human life, they do a cost analysis and the profits are worth the liabilities.
Sorry, we lost Camelot in 1963.
I guarantee, like the Patriot Acts, no Congressman read Jane Harman´s Bill and somebody must have written it for her.
TRUTHTELLER,
"Never give up, never surrender", I so love Galaxy Quest
And I was there that 28th August Wednesday ('68) in Chicago's Grant park, my mouth stunned gapping open, at the sight of my state's National Guard on the roof of my Museum of Natural History (the dinosaurs turned in their graves that day). And while perhaps 4 rows close to the stage, it was behind my very own seat that was chosen (?) to be the hiding place for the USA flag, so recently removed from its pole - by someone perhaps as courageous as you - in defiance of the sicking DRAFT.
What a sad commentary to think nostalgically about reinstating the draft, as a way to convince people to STOP the WAR?
Of course, my Mom knew so well tremulously to warn me to NOT turn around and view that flag, as that would launch the police clubbing lines OUR way, and the teargas was soon to start - so my status remains uninjured physically by that day's riotous violence. But then, it did make me into the man that I am, too.
We are connected in some Karmic dance, and strong hands and minds (coupled with sincere principles) will indubitably be needed (again). This moment is in some ways a continuation of the last, and we are the bridge through experience and memory.
Namaste
What's needed and missing is a means for understanding and expanding mainstream awareness of a reality founded in our collective responsibility to do our best in all things for the largest number, recognizing that our abilities and resources ARE adequate to accomplishing that without anyone having to be harmed along the way.
That is a major change of reality but it is genuine and already accomplished, the crowning human achievement of the 20th century.
As you give your attention to that reality it will expand. The US accomplishes acting in a manner consistent with that reality in a small degree already. The constitution is out of date, but focusing on that is a pitfall. Focusing on all the insular fights its antiquated state has spawned is similarly pointless.
Give your attention to accomplishing totalistic societal caring first for the least fortunate by requiring our best for all. It's a thing we can do. As we require the best we know we are capable of for the benefit of all, the government will follow.
What's to change is not anyone's vote, but the state of our collective awareness of the great new ability we have already achieved.
Love IS real.
Very disappointing but not surprising. Thanks Dennis for your vote for sanity. I eagerly await your decision to run as a Green or independent after the Dems and the media have succeeded in destroying your campaign.
Pervez Musharref Is Our Man.....
A few weeks ago Musharref removed all the judges from his Supreme Court....There were immediate protests in the streets of Pakistan....Over 1500 lawyers demonstrated and were taken into custody and disappeared.
President Bush´s response was, "We expect you to go ahead with the "Free Elections" in January or February." He did not mention the disappearance of peaceful law abidng lawyers. Why ? Musharref is doing what the Bush Administration expects,controlling A Totalitarian Democracy.
A funny thing happened on Thanksgiving. I made several phone calls from Spain to family and friends in the United States. Each call was cutoff three different times. My assumption was that whoever was monitoring my calls decided that they were not important and so, when they cut away from listening, they broke my connection too.
The Data mining that has been going on is a device to compile a list of mal-contents and possible protestors. Different ecological groups have had their members detained at different airports.
The idea that the election of 2000 was a "Peaceful Coup D´etat" has never been discussed. The fact that key witnesses with a different view of 9/11 are starting to disappear or appear to be committing suicide, even though they were never suicidal has not bothered the American People.....we are now living in a "Totalitarian Democracy" with a suspended Constitution.
"Gimme an A! Gimme an I! Gimme a P! Gimme an A! Gimme a C!!" What's that spell? Lewis Paul Bremer III
nspire;
I'm from Ohio. I vividly remember Kent State ("four dead in O-HI-O", Mr. Young sang). I wanted to go to college there, but my very Republican family said, "not with those radicals you don't". I will never forget my mother and grandmother telling me the kids got what they deserved! To this day I despise the late Gov. Jim Rhodes, who ordered the Guard in with live ammo. What a smug bunch of Sumbitches they were (are?). The university did the best they could to try and erase the events from memory. They built a gym on Blanket Hill.
I think we had a chance back then, a brief shining moment if the momentum had held, to overthrow the old order once and for all. I don't know if it's possible to recapture that ever again. But I'm not going to give up what I know to be right without a fight.
One good thing to have come from that terrible day, and also a piece of pop culture trivia. A Kent State co-ed freshman from Akron witnessed the shootings that day, dropped out the next and went to Europe to pursue music. She went on to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I speak of course of the pride of Akron, Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders.
Hi TRUTHTELLER,
I hear the building rage, and it's been my saving grace to contribute, connect, and receive kindred response within this COMMONS.
There are many choices to come, many of them of the hardest possible nature. It really scares me to consider that rendering (onto Caesar what is his) was once simply the process of transforming animal hides and fat into home brew soaps, while the Nazi's went way too far with rendering Jews into soap.
Here the circle turns to our own version of torture and exceptional rendition, which so to say they (our torturers) will wash us free of our thoughts.
Back in history, it is subtlety ironic that the very same NSA that now chases our shadows, was so tightly wedged between court and king. The story is about the U of WI math building, where (weatherman?) bombers were surprisingly not only caught after the fact, but more so released w/o murder conviction. Why and how could this travesty of justice happen (you ask)?
Well, the perceptive defense council asked a little question about 'probable cause' for what ever search that had sent them all to jail. After extremes of hemming hawing and cannot tell you how we knew (you know hint hint nudge national security), low and behold, it was traced (kind of) to those sweet boys at the NSA, who never (never^google; back then - times have sure changed) were ever allowed to view internal national phone traffic. But that's exactly what had happened, and when the (totally illegally obtained) intercept's source was about to come out -- The DA was reminded of the one condition -- that no one ever could know how it was obtained (big secret then). The judge said OK - no probable cause means no evidence, case closed. W u u u u o o o o o o o p s
I'm sure the expression "never again" was repeated and heard for a long time after that!
Please consider everything else before taking drastic actions, as we all end up suffering when violence occurs. Remember the news of several months ago, that Kent State shootings are now acknowledged to be killings by the national Guard having recently (finally) admitted to their shooting first - and carefully covering it up (for decades). This process took immense stamina from the parents and friends of the deceased students (4, I believe), which is vindicated by their partial success in civil court up until this point in time today.
Namaste
I know what all nine of the fine liberal Democrat Congressmen from my state who voted for this atrocity will say when I call to complain on Monday. They'll say; "Oh no, we certainly don't intend this legislation to apply to peaceful critics of the war and other matters. You're safe and don't need to worry." But I will tell them: "Yes I do worry, because this is just one more step in a dangerous authoritarian direction which violates constitutionally guaranteed citizen rights. And they'll say, as they always say: " Well, we disagree with your interpretation, and we assure you that peaceful protestors are not the intended targets." But I'm over 60, and my memory stretches back to the 50's and the House Un-American Activities Committee, Joe McCarthy, loyalty oathes that had to be signed. I remember the fear and the lives ruined, and I don't want to see that happen again. But that's the direction this country is headed in now. The corrupt elites and their servants will do what they feel they have to do to try to hold onto power. Their tactics will be the tactics of fascism. Hasn't it always been so...
They're after people like me. The normally pacifist left, that sees a true threat to real democracy and calls for the possibility of insurrection to overthrow the illegitimate order and restore (or maybe have for the first time) real democracy in this Country.
I will not run, I will not be cowered, I will not be browbeat into submission. If they come for me, I will not be rendered. They will have to martyr me for democracy, and I hope to take as many of them with me as possible. It is time for a new Weather Underground to come to life in this country. One that does not do senseless violence to buildings and innocent civillians, but one that carefully tartgets the enemies of democracy - the ones running things now - and sees that they all, all eventually hang from the nearest tree for what they have done to this Country and this World. Senseless pacificism makes about as much sense as senseless violence. Non-violent protest only works on leaders who have a sense of shame. It is obvious that this bunch has no shame; never had, never will. Before the theocratic fundies totally take over the military, and the thought police totally control our ability to communicate, we must take action to save the one Country that has truly mattered as a beacon of democracy from a final descent into fascism. We must heed Jefferson's warning and accept his charge to mantain a government for "We the People", even if that means that not all of us will be around when all is said and done, to enjoy that democracy. We truly do not know sacrifice anymore, we are not willing to do more than break a fingernail on a keyboard agonizing about what we see happening. Lives are probably going to have to be sacrificed to save the Constitution; some of ours - and hopefully more of theirs.
Hi MIJARI,
I'm LOL and ROTF from the thumping and d'bumping.
I've read that one could crack open a bolder on Geo Washington's forehead ("principles"), but would hardly suggest such dangerous activities to Geo the shrub, as I revere all life.
Namaste
"Did we just have an earthquake?"
"Nope. It's only the Founding Fathers rolling over in their graves."
The only hope for the survival of the constitution is for the people to lay the 535 corporatocracy hookers (aka congress). To rest.
Well that didn't take long.
Adios America I loved.
1984 just showed up bigtime. Expect loyalty checks spinning your hard drive to increase in the next year. Common Dreamers we are really tumbling down the rabbit hole now!
DHS inquiry #666: "The subject/convict logged on to a subversive site CD that has never once put "God save the King" in it's masthead! We suspect this site is allowing criticism of the Crown and it's CEO noblemen..... How horrible!!!! All disloyal suspects must be disappeared!
GUARDS!
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
please, tell me when I can wake up from this nightmare!
"Oklahoma city, abortion clinics."
You'll have a hard time making the case that these are part of large, ongoing threats.
Hmm,domestic terrorism.
Let me think.
Oklahoma city, abortion clinics.
Think they'll go after the real threats?
--In that vein, diverse groups vigorously oppose Ms. Harman's effort to stifle dissent. Unfortunately, the mainstream press and leading presidential candidates remain silent.--
Why doesn't the writer of this article name Kucinich as a presidential candidate who voted against it and doesn't remain silent? That ignore ance is what has us in this mess in the first place -- riding on the media bandwagon to write it as the pack does, like everyone else, and that is slanted toward the "chosen" few who always remain silent on the real issues. You, dear reporter, writer of articles even on this web page, are part of the problem!
Today on Democracy Now! a young journalist from Indymedia said that the Rand Corporation was behind this bill.
Giovanna; Your comment is so accurate. I agree with you 100%. Thank you very much!
Anita Linker; I'm with you sister! When I read the roll call for HR 1955, I to was 'taken back' by the "aye" votes you mentioned, with the exception of Tauscher, whom I don't consider a liberal. I was even 'more shocked' seeing my Congressman, Sam Farr, voting "aye". Sam will be hearing from us on this. He is one of the few Dems that supports Kucinich's HR 333 bill to impeach Cheney. I don't know what happened?
Thank you for providing the roll call for HR 1955, which lists the Aye & Nay votes on this most repressive law yet.
I hail from the San Francisco Bay Area, which I have always considered an oasis inside another oasis of independent thought & action. No more! The "aye" votes that passed this appalling bill include those of most of our "heroic" Democratic California lawmakers, i.e., George Miller, Barbara Lee, and Ellen Tauscher. Surprised? Me too! Lynn Woolsey and five other lawmakers chickened out with a "No Vote," meaning they did not vote either way. And believe it or not, our single "Nay" vote came from a spunky REPUBLICAN, Dana Rohrabacher. That does it! Democrats.com are plying me with emails in hopes of getting my vote next year, but they are out of my mailbox for good.
If anyone wants to know how their state voted (if it doesn't make you sick), go to http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-993
And may the Lord have mercy on our souls.
If only the re-thuglicans could understand that world peace is just a vote away. Their oil stained hands cannot hug the children AND save us from global warming!
Wow, what a bunch of pessimistic skeptics. The children of Congress have passed an excellent bill. 404 votes! This has got to be true blue.
This beautiful proposed new law only applies to 535 members of Congress, a real ethical venture, and several hundred top administration appointees, including the 9 wise SUPREMES (justices?). AND the brilliant national media moguls, who produce such fine infotainment. This is MY interpretation (a self-appointed genius). This bill could never apply to US?!??
In the Spring of 1692, in Salem, MA. Hundreds were accused of witchcraft, nineteen folks were hung, one crushed to death because he was a non-conformer, and could not be tortured into confessing.
The folks above me on this list better be millionaires because you all need good lawyers.
The thought police, AKA the Federal Bureau of Investigation will be knocking on your front door soon. Without search warrants. You know police states require no paperwork. And EFFICIENCY requires swift paperless processing of TREASON. You, PEACENIKS, may all be dangling from ropes someday, the masses can take a day off from shopping, pack lunches. The ratings will surpass the SUPERBOWL.
I'm not a lawyer, and I can't help you. I advice you to conform, the mainstream, the silent-majority Supports BU$HCO's OIL WAR. Don't you dreamers realize we are fighting for nearly 30 Trillion in IRAQI oil resources for 30 years. The contracts have always been issued to their new DEMOCRATICALLY elected government. Our oil companies will earn billions. I work for Blackwater, Inc. I know.
Even this list of radical extremists must be incorporated into this vision of perfection. Harman for president! Her work is not an ORWELLIAN MASTERPIECE. WE ARE MERELY PERFECTING THE FUTURE. Signed: A happily assimilated rethuglican Borg. Motto: A 100 years war means 100 years of profits! I support George Bush, (a better president than James Buchanan)!
The recent hearing WAS merely geared towards forming a commission to study the "problem". The real problem is that nasty little Power Point presentation by Mark Weitzman. Weitzman shows 911 Truth sites alongside those of celebrate the fall of the towers and alongside those that teach terrorist training including hand to hand combat and the making of suicide bombs. The implications of such disingenuous propaganda are obvious.
It can be noted that Mark Weitzman works for the same Simon Weisenthal Center which decided to build a "Museum of Tolerance" on a 1,000 year old arab cemetary - yeah, that will help promote tolerance.
Wearechangeseattle.org (of which I am a member) is planning to send a letter to congressman Dave Reichert (who attended the hearing) requesting a meeting so we can voice our concerns and educate him to the fact that thousands of civil engineers, first responders, 911 victim family members, intelligence professionals, physicists and many other credible people from all walks of life have plenty of reason to believe that 911 was an inside job and that we would like to see the likely perpetrators identified and tried for their crimes. As a former King County Sheriff we hope that Congressman Reickert will appreciate this position as a desire for the rule of law rather than extremism.
At the recent FCC hearing in Seattle Congressman Reichert gave his testimony pre-recorded on video. He was roundly booed when he first appeared on the screen (the crowed was overwhelmingly liberal and Reichert is a republican) but was soon being cheered as he weighed in against more media conglomeration - so there is some hope he could be swayed towards reason.
libertas said:
"One of them was on "How to detect a Communist." You can tell a Communist by how they dress, if the men wear long hair, mixed racial couples, people who use words like "peace," "love," "coexistence," speak in favor of the UN, quote the Constitution or Bill of Rights, say they are against war."
Hoover was a cross-dresser who also persecuted pot smokers and users of enthogens with his COINTELPRO because he thought it radicalized them. He had poop on everybody in government, so they were afraid of him. When GHWBush became his CIA counterpart, he could have arrested Dubya for Cocaine use.
Ken said:
"no need for "congealment", but "we" could probably start working together and helping out each other much more "efficiently"…..don't you think?"
Okay. Let's do something.
I remember, many years ago, I was working at an air force base. In the security office there was a bulletin board on which, amongst other things had the weekly "Notes From the Director," a bulletin from J. Edgar Hoover's office.
One of them was on "How to detect a Communist." You can tell a Communist by how they dress, if the men wear long hair, mixed racial couples, people who use words like "peace," "love," "coexistence," speak in favor of the UN, quote the Constitution or Bill of Rights, say they are against war.
Ah, yes, these were the ways the local cops were to detect communists amongst us in the late '50's.
I wonder what the bulletins say now about how to detect an "Islamofascist terrorist." The mind boggles, but it probably describes about seventy or eighty percent of us. People that talk about civil rights, the Constitution, people who speak against torture, people who advocate the return of habeas corpus to the legal system, have dark skin, wear head scarves, have written or spoken critically of government policies, foreign or domestic. I could go on, but hate to make long posts of the obvious. Just be ready to take your soap and enter the showers when told to do so.
RichM, thanks for the definitions of "terrorism." This is a critical subject to understand.
"Terrorism" is a propaganda term. So is "terrorist". Yet there are and should be legal prohibitions against acts such as the bombings in Oklahoma City, 9/11, and also the many bombings in the "shock and awe" state terrorist acts of the US government, ongoing as they are.
Some of the US definitions exclude states from being able to commit terrorist acts.
Take the CIA definition:
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/cia-the-war-on-terrorism/terrorism-...
"Q: How do you define terrorism?
A: The Intelligence Community is guided by the definition of terrorism contained in Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d):
• The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.
• The term "international terrorism" means terrorism involving the territory or the citizens of more than one country.
• The term "terrorist group" means any group that practices, or has significant subgroups that practice, international terrorism."
Notice the non-state qualifier "subnational groups" a term that makes the definition propaganda. Why? Because the definition prevents the label "terrorism" or "terrorist acts" from being applied to the "greatest purveyor of violence" which is, as Dr. King noted in 1967, the "US government."
The CIA definition is completely bogus.
But there is a good, decent definition that takes into account these propaganda and lawless formulations.
Secretary General Kofi Annan and his lawyers drafted a good working definition:
The report of the Secretary-General's High-level Panel on Threats, Challenges, and Change included a working definition of terrorism as:
"any action, in addition to actions already specified by the existing conventions on aspects of terrorism, the Geneva Conventions and Security Council Resolution 1566 (2004), that is intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants, when the purpose of such act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate a population, or to compel a Government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act."
www.stanleyfoundation.org/publications/report/UNND807.pdf
With this definition, its application can be to a subnational group or a government. That's because intentions and purposes are able to be determined "by its nature or context." So US bombing of a building in a civilian area to kill a sniper with a 2000 pound bomb by its nature is a terrorist act, for it will likely "cause death or serious bodily harm" to civilians for the purpose of imposing an illegal, immoral occupation--surely an attempt to intimidate a population into submission: Iraqis who resist the occupation and its puppet government.
As for forms of violence that do not "cause death or serious bodily harm" such as non-violent protest and or sabotage against property, according to Annan's definition, these are not terrorist acts. They *may* be, in fact, legitimate resistance. For the UNGA in 1987, defined legitimate resistance as:
"14. Considers that nothing in the present resolution could in any way prejudice the right to self-determination, freedom and independence, as derived from the Charter of the United Nations, of peoples forcibly deprived of that right referred to in the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, particularly peoples under colonial and racist regimes and foreign occupation or other forms of colonial domination, nor, in accordance with the principles of the Charter and in conformity with the above-mentioned Declaration, the right of these peoples to struggle to this end and to seek and receive support"
http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/42/a42r159.htm
On the right to resist tyrannical government, with acts that are not terrorist acts, the Declaration of Independence is clear.
". . . governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."
So was Lincoln when he said in his first inaugural address in 1861:
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/presiden/inaug/lincoln1.htm
So, regardless of what the bill which will pass both houses of Congress says, progressives need to know that we can legally exercise our rights as defined by the Declaration, by Lincoln in his first inaugural, and by the UN and international humanitarian law. Terrorist acts according the the UN working definition are always crimes. But legitimate resistance is also our right. Being clear about the differences between the two is crucial.
For some reason with the line "The proposed commission is a menace through its power to hold hearings, take testimony and administer oaths, an authority granted to even individual members of the commission - little Joe McCarthys - who will tour the country to hold their own private hearings. An aura of authority will automatically accompany this congressionally authorized mandate to expose native terrorism" I see Dolores Umbridge as the Grand Inquisitor at Hogwarts!!
Where is Dumbledore's Army, the Gryffindors and the Weasley twins to show her great defiance and subversion??
I'm all for creating a real-life "Dumbledore's Army" AKA The Anti-Dirty-Tricks Brigade.
Wow, what a bunch of pessimistic skeptics. The children of Congress have passed an excellent bill. 404 votes! This has got to be true blue.
This beautiful proposed new law only applies to 535 members of Congress, a real ethical venture, and several hundred top administration appointees, including the 9 wise SUPREMES (justices?). AND the brilliant national media moguls, who produce such fine infotainment. This is MY interpretation (a self-appointed genius). This bill could never apply to US?!??
In the Spring of 1692, in Salem, MA. Hundreds were accused of witchcraft, nineteen folks were hung, one crushed to death because he was a non-conformer, and could not be tortured into confessing.
The folks above me on this list better be millionaires because you all need good lawyers.
The thought police, AKA the Federal Bureau of Investigation will be knocking on your front door soon. Without search warrants. You know that police states require no paperwork. And EFFICIENCY requires swift paperless processing of TREASON. You, PEACENIKS, may all be dangling from ropes someday, the masses can take a day off from shopping, pack lunches. The ratings will surpass the SUPERBOWL.
I'm not a lawyer, and I can't help you. I advice you to conform, the mainstream, the silent-majority Supports BU$HCO's OIL WAR. Don't you dreamers realize we are fighting for nearly 30 Trillion in IRAQI oil resources for 30 years. The contracts have always been issued to their new DEMOCRATICALLY elected government. Our oil companies will earn billions. I work for Blackwater, Inc. I know.
Even this list of radical extremists must be incorporated into this vision of perfection. Harman for president! Her work is not an ORWELLIAN MASTERPIECE. WE ARE MERELY PERFECTING THE FUTURE. Signed: A happily assimilated rethuglican Borg. Motto: A 100 years war means 100 years of profits! I support George Bush, (a better president than James Buchanan)!
pzbrawl, well said.
Hey Ken, glad you liked... I thought it was brilliant.
Disclaimer: I take no responsibilty for anyone who mistakes sarcasm for an actual call to off the President. However, if a person actually did such a thing, I'm not sure many people would be crying about it, not even Dick Cheney.. maybe only Jeff Gannon, but that's about it.
Wouldn't that be a "flagship" issue of our common dreams, to somehow coordinate other ideas of how to bring us together effectively?
CORRECTION: I meant to type: Common Dreams may also lose…NOT …use.
no need for "congealment", but "we" could probably start working together and helping out each other much more "efficiently".....don't you think?
Great idea nspire. But it's hard to get liberals together. If we congealed, we'd be the ruling conservatives.
"Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable", JFK
If you look at most of the major terror events in this country you will find out it is done by out of control groups within our own government. 9/11 was clearly an inside job, if you take a close look at the Oklahoma bombing you will see government involvement. Also many foreign terror events end up showing secret agency involvement.
They do the terror and then use it as an excuse to take away our rights. Some of our congress people are well meaning but stupid, being easily manipulated by the more sinister ones.
Congress never seems to make any progress going in the right direction but when it comes to taking away our rights their a juggernaut.
Twister22 - Great link about "illegalities"...thanks.
Some say 9/11 changed America. No, it did not. It merely exposed the true nature of the beast. For decades the US screwed up other countries and nations, either directly, or through installing dictators trained at the Schools of the Americas.
Now that the fascist government has been exposed to its own people, it is worried and sacred, and it's going for the jugular. But Ms Harman's bill is a mistake. It may give the appearance of false security to the power hacks, but it will turn the US cities into West Bank and Gaza strip.
There are many things people can do to counteract the Big Brother. For one, come election time, we should vote out all those so-called representatives who voted for the bill, which means virtually all of them.
Common Dreams may also use all its posters who do not want to get nabbed. In fact, editors and those in charge of such sites may be the first in line to feel the sting.
Those who fail to fight for their liberty and freedom deserve to be slaves. Welcome to Amerikkka.
P.S. I have aa feeling that this Ms Harman has someting in common with Joe Lieberman. Please research and let's know.
Sing! What will you do when we let you go home?
And the plastic's all melted the so is the chrome?
Who are the brain police?
What will you do if the label comes off?
and the plastic's all mented and the chrome is too soft?
Who are the brain police?
What will