Iraq, Afghan War Costs Are $1.6 Trillion
The economic costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are estimated to total $1.6 trillion - roughly double the amount the White House has requested thus far, according to a new report by Democrats on Congress' Joint Economic Committee.
The report, obtained by The Associated Press and scheduled to be released Tuesday, attempted to put a price tag on the two conflicts, including "hidden" costs such as interest payments on the money borrowed to pay for the wars, lost investment, the expense of long-term health care for injured veterans and the cost of oil market disruptions.
The $1.6 trillion figure, for the period from 2002 to 2008, translates into a cost of $20,900 for a family of four, the report said. The Bush administration has requested $804 billion for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined, the report stated.
For the Iraq war only, total economic costs were estimated at $1.3 trillion for the period from 2002 to 2008. That would cost a family of four $16,500, the report said.
Future economic costs would be even greater. The report estimated that both wars would cost $3.5 trillion between 2003 and 2017. Under that scenario, it would cost a family of four $46,400, the report said.
Oil prices have surged since the start of the war, from about $37 a barrel to well over $90 a barrel in recent weeks, the report said. "Consistent disruptions from the war have affected oil prices," although the Iraq war is not responsible for all of the increase in oil prices, the report said.
Still, the report estimated that high oil prices have hit U.S. consumers in the pocket, transferring "approximately $124 billion from U.S. oil consumers to foreign (oil) producers" from 2003 to 2008, the report said.
High oil prices can slow overall economic growth if that chills spending and investment by consumers and businesses. At the same time, high oil prices can spread inflation throughout the economy if companies decide to boost the prices of many other goods and services.
Meanwhile, "the sum of interest paid on Iraq-related debt from 2003 to 2017 will total over $550 billion," the report said. The government has to make interest payments on the money it borrows to finance the national debt, which recently hit $9 trillion for the first time.
The report comes as the House prepares to vote this week on another effort by Democrats to set a deadline for withdrawing troops from Iraq as a condition for providing another $50 billion for the war.
"What this report makes crystal clear is that the cost to our country in lives lost and dollars spent is tragically unacceptable," said Joint Economic Committee Chairman Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., in a statement prepared to accompany the report's release.
The report, from the committee's Democratic majority, was not vetted with Republican members, said Israel Klein, a spokesman for the panel. An earlier draft of the report had put the economic cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars at a slightly lower, $1.5 trillion.
© 2007 Associated Press
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I agree with most of your teachings.
It is sad that most people in power do away with all that we were taught about Freedom, Opportunity, Safety and the US being the Leader in Democracy in the World.
Greed, Lies, War crimes the Polls and Corruption move Government.
CNN just yesterday in Science published an article about Salt water set on fire after perturbing it with radiation.
What would all the petroleum in the world be worth as soon as another source of cheap and clean fuel is found?
How much is the Oil Business hindering other sources of energy?
What ever happened to this article on CDreams'
Arcie
Bush can add this to his string of Bankruptcies.... including morally bankrupt.
In real life his credit card or line of credit would have been revoked by now.
What a horrible mess to leave for future generations (and I do mean plural) to have to *fix*.
$1.6 trillion? That's not a round number. Let's invade Iran and make it an even $2T. Or, waddya say 3? Hell, we're feeling magnanimous, let's go for broke!
Glad to know I'm getting my money's worth. Those 9/11 terrorists, the War on Terra, the...
Oh wait -- none were Iraqi. My mistake.
I wonder what it's like not to have a conscience. The folks responsible for this mess are either soulless, missing some gray matter, have no concern for posterity, or all of the above.
Our formidable war machine runs on oil, as well as the rest of our country. Having destroyed our economy, BushCo has left us with only military threats to other powers. We must have oil to maintain military superiority at any cost. Such have been the costs of the centralization brought about by conservative administrations throughout history.
$20,000 dollars a family!? When are Halliburton, Blackwater and the lot going to start paying us back for this fraud! Let's demand tax-cuts for middle and lower class Americans to make up for this robbery, and demand taxing these war profiteers to make up for the debt. Oh wait, that would recquire a congress seperate from the lobby...
the implications of the numbers are depressing. assuming we liberated 17 million iraqi citizens (the kurds were free anyway for the past 10 years), this works out at 100000 per iraqi individual - and 4 million of these have been displaced. alternately,and assuming that only those with greater than the median income of 50000 per us family can actually pay off debt (a generous assumption)- this works out to a family debt of 50000 if 30 million families have that income and capacity.
Bleeding amerika to death
One in 4 of amerika's homeless is ex "our troops"; no great surprise there nor that amerika ranks second highest in that particular Third World homeless league after its good buddy, India. When one factors in the costs of keeping the canon fodder alive that survived the depleted uranium poison and wounds of their terror tours in Iraq and Afghanistan no wonder most of them were forced to "serve" the empire without body armor or vehicles that could withstand the cobbled together primitive munitions of the resistance forces of those occupied countries. From the Bush junta perspective no doubt at all that "our troops" would have in fact been "patriotic-er" if they had done the amerikan taxpayer a damn favor and bled to death along with their Iraqi and Afghani victims rather than become the burden to the nation that they now are.
A ratio of one to four of the dead "grunts" that slaughtered "gooks" for corporate amerika in Vietnam survived his wounds and you still see those aging hippy outcasts rolling around amerika's mean streets on their wheel chairs and pushing their shopping carts of miserable rags to find a bridge for the night, an embarrassment to a nation so in denial that it still hasn't admitted the poisoning of "our troops" with dioxin not to mention millions of Vietnamese.
How much will "going postal" cost the nation in the future, an army of vicious killers, ex our troops and gung ho mercenaries fanning out across post-democratic amerika, hired guns or natural born killers doing what they do best? Factor it in to the bottom line because god knows the criminal corpogovernment sure hasn't.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf
"A new study from Harvard University reports that the hidden financial costs of war in Iraq and Afghanistan will overwhelm the Department of Veterans Affairs for decades. The study, titled "Soldiers Returning from Iraq and Afghanistan: The long-term costs of providing veterans medical care and disability benefits," finds that the Veterans Administration is both under-funded and under-equipped to deal with the current and future costs of veterans' health care.
The study estimates that since the Global War on Terror began, 16 US soldiers have been wounded per fatality, a casualty rate that exceeds the rate of previous wars. Over 200,000 soldiers deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan have been treated at VA medical facilities thus far, with 900,000 still deployed on active duty. The study predicts that the cost of medical care and compensation benefits for returning veterans will skyrocket once those troops return home. It also estimates that the cost over the soldiers lives will amount to up to seven hundred billion dollars."
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/06/1531201
http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2006/01/08/economists_say_cost_of_war_could_top_2_trillion/
The former (neo con) Deputy Secretary of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz, once said that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would cost America NOTHING at all, that they could be paid for by Iraqi oil field revenues.
Bush lies with words and he lies with numbers. First and foremost, the administrations staff do not use "accrual accounting methods" - the universal standard in the real world. They count costs only when they are actually paid. This prevents a convenient lie about the unfunded longterm fiscal commitments we are legally bound to pay. The non partisan Government Accountability Office estimates the total commitment of the US through 2040 to be in excess of FIFTY TRILLION DOLLARS. Bush in just one administration has added $13 trillion to that total from the medicare drug benefits and what will most likely be over $2 trillion, as calculated with accrual accounting methods by a Nobel Prize winning Harvard Economics professor.
The Republicans have done what they have always done in response to criticism, blame it on partisan politics. However, the non partisan issue is that the Bush administration has been lying its butt off to the American people and congress. We need to demand accuracy as an ethical issue against the Bush administration's constant lying to minimize negatives about the Bush quagmire.
Would we lose 1.6 trillion dollars and have tens of thousands of American lives destroyed in another WTC terrorist attack? I don't know the answer, but I'm trying to think like the technocrats who give justification to the New Crusades. Somehow, they convince enough of those in power that "Yes, we would lose a lot more in another attack and must prevent it money being no object." I don't buy any of it, and I don't think the vast majority of the American people do either. But the plutocrats and technocrats reinforce each other's views, leaving us out in the cold.
The sickest joke in this whole revelation about the true cost of the oil-wars is the Bush regime's comment ---which basically translates into:
We don't want people to know the real cost because that would "muddy the water" (Dana Perino WH press liar actual quote).
Naturally, the 'Vichy' MSM have all used the Perino quote of, "muddy the waters" to show their fair and balanced two-sided objectivity on this issue.
Does the friggin MSM suggest that this story is appropriately balanced because they equally report that the report shows that $1.6T is wasted on this imperial oil-war, and that, on the other hand, it is only fair to report that the WH thinks this is all about politics and it is being reported only to "muddy the waters" (and by implication trick the US public by the Dems)??
That the MSM even gave ink to this Bushist lie that clear information on the real war cost "muddies the waters" is a massive indictment and proof that the MSM will say anything that it is fed by this 'Vichy American' Empire.
Only one body in our government approved these expenditures, and it wasn't Bush.
That body essentially approved the corporate bail-out of neo-con industries that were teetering on bankruptcy and are now thriving on "war" (ok: occupation).
That body ensured that millions of people would lose their homes and lives, by giving Bush everything he desired.
And now, as 2008 nears, that same body is shocked at the expenditures.
It's laughable.
What's guiding this President is the fact that he think he's the one to start the war that ends the world. So why should he care about spending money on important things like education, water, health care, care of the sick poor and wounded etc. In his belief system the one who actually tries to bring people together and make peace is the Devil.The one who makes war is the righteous one according to that twisted rapture philosophy which Bush believes in. What people don't realize is he is heavily influenced by this garbage. These are the nuts he listens too. He is the one bringing up WW III, he wants it to happen.
God help us!
SO, HOW MUCH IS $1,600,000,000,000 anyway???
United States Military Industrial Congressional Complex's
Numbers Game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MULHr0pbf2Q
DO SOMETHING!!!
Peace,
mom4peace
Raul - you asked: what has the US gained?
The US military industrial complex has gained billions of dollars and millions of new enemies, who will all be used
to justify the obscene costs for the so called U.S. department of defense. Then, there's all that oil and the USA's puppet politicians in Iraq & Afghanistan.
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A place in which we can reasonably refer to the American
Republic in the past tense. A country that has moved into
a post-constitutional era, no longer a nation of laws but
an autotocracy run by law breakers, law evaders and law
ignorers. A nation governed by a culture of impunity ...
a culture in which corruption is no longer a form of deviance but the norm. We all live in a Mafia neighborhood now." Sam Smith
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"For most of the history of the American empire, government has been a tool for preserving and furthering the power and might of white male corporate elites ..."
Cornel West
Message:
The greatest question is:
Besides all the lives lost, making Bush, Cheney and Rice wealthier, and more expensive gas for all; what has the US gained fromn these shameful wars?
Viva Cheney!
Arcie
I think of all the human dead & injured; all the shattered lives and minds this latest sick American escapade has cost so many innocent people.
I think of all the lies and greed this was driven by, and all the cowardice that enabled it; worse still, enabled it in a world where billions of desperate people live on less than a dollar day as our unchallenged rich class does Whatever It Takes! to make itself ever fatter and its wanna-be's ever more dumb and dehumanized.
And when I consider that America has repeated all its diseased greed and violence in Iraq, just a few decades after doing much the same thing in Vietnam, I know I'd have to lie to myself to ever trust this system again.
$1.6 trillion and growing.. and Unbelievably the war-whores aren't done yet as the bush regime' is poised to attack Iran next, bush43 will then impose martial law in the states, cancel the upcoming election citing National Security reasons and remain in power as a sitting wartime president.
He will then sack whats left of the Constitution, erase our borders and dissolve our National Sovereignty, all in the name of the North American Union, joining Mexico, the US and Canada by 2010 to fulfill the elitist PNAC agenda for Global Domination...
Spread the WORD, this dictatorship must be stopped!
http://nauinfo.blogspot.com
As for JFK, I'd like to see any links (or even 'opinions') supporting the notion that he was -- in any fashion, whatsoever -- inclined towards "cutting military spending" or winding-down the so-called 'ColdWar', or was any more reticent than Johnson regards staying-out of Viet Nam. If, in-fact, he was killed for any political-'mistake', it was for his growing-mistrust of the role/intent of the FedReserve, or his failing-support for Israel...
No-doubt, the next President will be a 'Dem' -- but, "be careful what you wish for" [which, believe-me, is no personal-endorsement for RePugs...].
1.6 TRILLION dollars !! Most of us can't even conceive of numbers that huge. What a terrible waste of our national treasure. Just think of all the other things that could be accomplished with that amount of money. I won't bother mentioning a list; we all could come up with other worthwhile uses of those funds. It's a matter of priorities.
Our military is stretched so thin, what would we do if we had another national crisis? Nearly half of "our" forces in Iraq are private contractors. Nearly half of the National Guard has gone to Iraq. The Guard has no business fighting foreign wars. The very name "National Guard" should tell you what their mission is: to protect America, guarding America, not "protecting American interests."
Makes you wonder if Bush ever played the board game "Risk". I read that he did play while a student at Yale. Anyone who has played the game knows that you don't spread your troops out and leave your homeland wide open. Yet, that is exactly what Shrub has done.
I am a Texan who suffered under his reign as Governor; never voted for him.We triedto warn people about him-Texas has a weak governorship, purposefully written into our state constitution after Reconstruction. The spin was that he worked bipartisan with both sides. He didn't have a choice. If it weren't for Bob Bullock, Pete Laney and others, he wouldn't have even been able to do that. His whole political career has been built on misrepresentation and outright lies.
Now look what he has wrought on this country and the world.
1.6 trillion dollars for what?
When will the sheeple wake up?
The next oil wars are already being fought in Africa....stay tuned folks!
You CD folk are really sharp. I'm just trying to keep up. Although many of you probably have already seen this, I stumbled across a video called "War and Globalization: The Truth Behind 9/11- Historical Evidence". The link is:
http://informeddissent.com/investigating-911-videos/
For those who haven't seen it, it's the first video on the page and it's about 1hr 56 mins. It gives a lot of very detailed historical information that provides a clear roadmap to where we are today. If you have a bit of time to watch, it's very interesting. Should create a lot of good dialogue, at least it raised some additional questions with me.
Peace
Kernel November 13th, 2007 10:53 pm
Watchout for Romney. His good looks, and height will brainwash us into voting for yet another crook.
During the same time, the US government invested $14 in developing alternative energy sources to Oil.
$1600 billions on wars to control oil.
$14 billions to develop renewable alternatives to oil.
I wonder where could we be if the US Government would have reversed its priorities.
This country is so screwed up now we may never recover to where we were 7 years ago. Give Bushco another year of destruction and our total debt will be astronomical. There is a good chance we will not pay off what we owe as that would take extreme sacrifice which is hard to imagine happening any more. The MSM has decided Thompson is the man to replace Bush because he has been strongly for right to life. Great reason, and the way things are going in this wacko country it might work.
Ya know whats interesting is that even though most Americans are now against this war, it's only because of the perception that the war is now negatively affecting THEIR cushy lives back home. Which scares me.
Most, i'd say about 60%-70%, don't really care about all the horrors of war, such as 100,000 to 1 million Iraqi Civilians dead, millions more wounded, 4.3 million Iraqi Refugees 25,000 American casualties... and that's just the tip of the iceberg we're getting. I mean sure they'd prefer that none of this happen, but ultimately they'll just allow their Government to do whatever it wants as long as they don't percieve it as negatively affecting them and their American idol and ipods. They don't care about their 'fellow man/woman' for that matter either.
But they ultimately can't see the forest for the trees. They don't see how it affects them, this country, and how this nation is being run into the ground by a bunch of fringe extremist neo-cons who want nothing more than an imperial empire- but what's strange is they have absolutely no clue how to manage an empire, it's complete mismanagement. Granted, they've won and constantly win in the information, propoganda, and distraction realms- they're very good at the propoganda, and we're equally very good at being obedient muts towards it, lacking in critical thought and comprehensive analysis. And, i'm sorry, but American women, generally, are substantially conservative, even the ones who claim they're liberal leaning.
Darwin and evolution says that our closest relatives are Chimpanzees. After careful observation of humans, and Americans mostly, it's clear that we're more closely related to Dogs.
"Circus Dogs jump when the trainer cracks a whip, but the well trained dog turns sumersaults whentheir is no whip."
George Orwell, 1984
Was at the Chicago March on the 27th. Saw a lot of Ron Paul signs and a plane overhead was pulling a Ron Paul banner. Other than his stance on the war/occupation, I have no idea why anyone supports him:
See this:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-pauls-record-in-congress.html
There are many chickenhawk conservatives who are "Ann Randers". They think that those who are rich deserve to be rich, and that the poor deserve to be poor.
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Don't forget that the cost to taxpayers is probably 10 times the contractors actual cost. Also tons of interest will be charged to the American taxpayers for the debt, by the bastards that print the money.
$1.6 Trillion (1.6 million million) War Costs
- 1100 billion cost of materials and labor (everything is marked up as much as they can get away with)
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= 500 billion
- 350 billion in administrative costs (new office buildings, warehouses, jet airplanes, helicopters, trucks, cars, fat cat's salaries & bonuses, and lobbyists money)
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Their combined tax statements may show only 150 billion in "profits" on 1.6 trillion. Their books are always cooked. The tax attorneys and CPAs are the best that money can buy, just like our politicians.
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Yes it is time for a revolution. When the stock markets totally collapse, be glad and pay careful attention. All will be well.
What YOU Need to Do to Make Impeachment a Reality
In case you'd like to remind representatives of their Federal Oath of Office when you make the calls . . .
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
*Impeachment Next Step: Judiciary Committee HEARINGS*
(Ed.: What follows has been adapted, with appreciation, from Democrats.com. Lest you think this is a "Democrats-only" issue, please see the two articles at the end of this call to action.)
Thanks to Dennis Kucinich, Tuesday was an historic day for impeachment!
As promised, Kucinich requested a floor vote on H.Res. 333, and as expected, BushDemocrat Leader Steny Hoyer moved to table the bill. And then all hell broke loose as 165 Republicans voted with Kucinich and 85 other brave Democrats to force a debate on impeachment and thereby embarass Nancy Pelosi.
To block that debate, Hoyer moved to send H.Res. 333 back to the Judiciary Committee, and that motion passed with the support of all but 5 Democrats (Kucinich, Bob Filner, Marcy Kaptur, Maxine Waters, and Ed Towns). A live blog of the proceedings is posted at http://impeachcheney.org
Representatives Wexler and Shea-Porter have now announced support for hearings:
In an e-mail to supporters on November 7, 2007, Representative Robert Wexler, a member of the House Judiciary Committee, stated that
I will urge the Judiciary Committee to schedule impeachment hearings immediately and not let this issue languish as it has over the last six months. Only through hearings can we bring begin to correct the abuses of Dick Cheney and the Bush Administration; and, if it is determined in these hearings that Vice President Cheney has committed High Crimes and Misdemeanors, he should be impeached and removed from office.
Congresswoman Carol Shea-Porter issued the following statement after the vote:
It is the duty of the Vice President to faithfully execute the laws of the United States of America and to defend the Constitution. There is growing evidence that the Executive Branch has ignored some of our laws and has attempted to bend the Constitution to its will. "Members of both parties decided that this issue is too important to ignore. I voted with my Republican and Democratic colleagues to investigate the Vice President's actions in office.
So what do we do next to move impeachment forward?
1. Call members of the House Judiciary Committee at 202-225-3951 and demand hearings to IMPEACH Dick Cheney. Call every member of that committee, and particularly your own Rep, if you're in one of these districts. The full list of committee members is below, along with the Capitol's toll-free numbers.
2. Email all members of the Judiciary Committee with this form: http://www.democrats.com/topelosiandjudiciary. Please email them separately, in addition to using the form email.
3. If you live in the district of a House Judiciary Committee member, call the office, tell them you're a constituent and you want immediate hearings for the Impeachment of Dick Cheney.
4. If your Congress Member is not on the Judiciary Committee, ask him/her to cosponsor H Res 333
Information on House Committee on the Judiciary and Contact Information
You can also use the toll free numbers for the Congressional Switchboard and ask for the Representative:
1-800-828-0498 * 1-800-862-5530 * 1-800-833-6354
Majority (Democrats) Minority (Republicans)
Committee Office: Rayburn House Office Building 2138 Rayburn House Office Building B351-C
Committee Phone: 202-225-3951 202-225-6504
Committee FAX: 202-225-7682
Committee Email" http://judiciary.house.gov/contact.aspx
(Entire Committee)
Staff
Majority Communications Director Jonathan Godfrey (202) 225-3951
Majority Press Secretary/Spokesperson Melanie Roussell (202) 225-3951
Majority Staff Director/Chief Counsel Perry Apelbaum (202) 225-3951
Minority Chief Minority Counselor Joseph Gibson (202) 226-0002
Minority Communications Director Kim Smith (202) 225-6906
House "Leadership"
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) 202-225-4965, sf.nancy@mail.house.gov
Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-MD), 202-225-4131, http://hoyer.house.gov/contact/email.asp
House Judiciary Committee Membership (List from Wikipedia) The House.gov website lists members with live links to more information on each, including email links and phone numbers here: http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx
Majority Minority
* John Conyers, Chairman, Michigan
* Howard L. Berman, California
* Rick Boucher, Virginia
* Jerrold Nadler, New York
* Robert C. Scott, Virginia
* Mel Watt, North Carolina
* Zoe Lofgren, California
* Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas
* Maxine Waters, California
* Bill Delahunt, Massachusetts
* Robert Wexler, Florida
* Linda T. Sánchez, California
* Steve Cohen, Tennessee
* Hank Johnson, Georgia
* Luis Gutierrez, Illinois
* Brad Sherman, California
* Anthony D. Weiner, New York
* Adam B. Schiff, California
* Artur Davis, Alabama
* Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Florida
* Keith Ellison, Minnesota
* Tammy Baldwin, Wisconsin[1]
* 1 vacancy
* Lamar S. Smith, Ranking Member, Texas
* Jim Sensenbrenner, Wisconsin
* Howard Coble, North Carolina
* Elton Gallegly, California
* Bob Goodlatte, Virginia
* Steve Chabot, Ohio
* Dan Lungren, California
* Chris Cannon, Utah
* Ric Keller, Florida
* Darrell Issa, California
* Mike Pence, Indiana
* Randy Forbes, Virginia
* Steve King, Iowa
* Tom Feeney, Florida
* Trent Franks, Arizona
* Louie Gohmert, Texas
* Jim Jordan, Ohio
5. Start a media campaign including op-ed articles on impeaching Cheney, letters-to-the-editor about the Kucinich resolution, and informational picketing in front of the offices of local media, particularly in Detroit for Conyers and NY City for Nadler. Media activism kit: http://afterdowningstreet.org/node/748. And ask the talk shows to give the Republicans the impeachment debate they claim they wanted: http://afterdowningstreet.org/node/1084
6. Ask pollsters to poll the public on impeachment, especially of Cheney: http://www.democrats.com/impeachment-poll-petition
7. Watch for updates and notice of a national conference call with Rep. Dennis Kucinich at http://impeachcheney.org
Concerned this issue is being raised only by Democrats? Think again...
Impeach Cheney: The vice president has run utterly amok and must be stopped.
By Bruce Fein
June 27, 2007
Bruce Fein is a constitutional lawyer at Bruce Fein & Associates and chairman of the American Freedom Agenda. He is author of the forthcoming book Constitutional Peril: The Life and Death Struggle Over the Constitution and Democracy.
Under Dick Cheney, the office of the vice president has been transformed from a tiny acorn into an unprecedented giant oak. In grasping and exercising presidential powers, Cheney has dulled political accountability and concocted theories for evading the law and Constitution that would have embarrassed King George III. The most recent invention we know of is the vice president's insistence that an executive order governing the handling of classified information in the executive branch does not reach his office because he also serves as president of the Senate. In other words, the vice president is a unique legislative-executive creature standing above and beyond the Constitution. The House judiciary committee should commence an impeachment inquiry. As Alexander Hamilton advised in the Federalist Papers, an impeachable offense is a political crime against the nation. Cheney's multiple crimes against the Constitution clearly qualify.
Take the vice president's preposterous theory that his office is outside the executive branch because it also exercises a legislative function. The same can be said of the president, who also exercises a legislative function in signing or vetoing bills passed by Congress. Under Cheney's bizarre reasoning, President Bush is not part of his own administration: The executive branch becomes acephalous. Today Cheney Chief of Staff David Addington refused to renounce that reasoning, instead laughably trying to diminish the importance of the legal question at issue.
Remainder of Fein's excellent piece here: http://www.slate.com/id/2169292/
Afraid we did buy it MASTERSHAKE. Of course it's not exactly a bargain. Colin Powell told Bush that if he invaded Iraq he'd own it. Bush replaced him. He also tricked Powell into informing us and our Congress with a flawed NIE report about the WMD Saddam had and Bush knew it was a lie. ___ Powell didn't.
Yeah, but you all got your $300 checks at the beginning of the Bush Administration? Right?
When you allowed the passage of the tax cut bill, the greatest transfer of wealth, and the end our nation's surplus.
So quit your bitchin, and enjoy your F350, before it get's repoed.
Ramsay
I heard it's closer to ten.
No matter, we're flatass broke and soon the depression will hit, if any aren't prepared, they're not gonna live very long.
Ya know, we might as well have just bought the damn country, and avoided the freakin war alltogether. 400 billion dollars it could have costed us.... 25% of what it will cost us according to this report, and that's only through 2009.
Iraq's GNP was only like 50 billion prior to invasion, and Husseins foreign debt 120 million.
And it's not like American is any stranger to taking on astromical debt. We're what, up to like 9 trillion now?
The whole report can be read here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_11_07_us_iraq.pdf
kiss my ass:
Where have you been? Bush was not elected in 2000. He was installed, courtesy of the not-at-all non-partisan Supreme Court. (Another collection that needs removing from office. Can we remove Bush's boys on the grounds that he was never the legitimately-elected president?) THEN he got idiots to "re-elect" him, on the grounds that it would be unpatriotic to refuse to support a war-time president - even if he started the unnecessary war.
Everyone in the United States could have health care instead. And college tuitions paid with this money.
Daniel David
Horse hockey! Full Democratic majority? The Republicans seem to do okay with a minority.
Remember the no-fillibuster/"nuclear option" crud of just a few years ago? The Democrats ought to be reminding the media left and right.
You really think they are rolling over for Bush? You think they really don't want to continue this war? (Dream on!) Have you listened to the presidential candidates' stands? The top tier: can you tell them from Republicans?
Impeachment: they keep telling Kucinich - and us - to shove it!
Democrats: the other elitist, war-mongering, corporatist party.
When will the people of this country take it back from the Government??? we need another Revolution here and remove the power from the wrong hands. this is supposed to be a government OF the People FOR the People not a government of the Rich telling the people what to do. we Left that era in England in 1760
Bush stated in his first election, He wanted to go to war, he had to cover his spineless fathers bad judgments and go to war they just worked it so that he and Cheney would pay their debits and make a fortune doing it.
another Bush great business deal, he went BK on all of his companies he tried in Texas he was the laughing stock of the oil fields each time his company went broke but some dumb ass elected him president of the USA and now he is following suite with his Great business skills. only this time it will have to be the US people that bail his ass out not the Saudies
A poster said, "No one could have predicted" that Bush would start these wars. Wrong. Eight years of no war under Clinton, war under Bush I, it was easy to predict that the Pubs would take us right back to war. Its all they know. I say its simple. If you want war, vote republican. If you want peace, vote democratic.
The wars are being fought primarily to protect capital and commerce, not citizens, and yet capital and commerce is exactly what IS NOT picking up the tab, thanks to the Republican tax cuts. If you want any change whatsoever in this pattern before they halve your Social Security and Medicare instead, you will need to consider voting for a lot (lot) of Democrats in both Congress and The White House at the same time.
Arrgghh, they say. The Dems are just the same as the Repubs. Yes, to the degree they're all money-grubbing politicians voting self-interest to their own re-elections, this is a true statement. But with a full Democratic majority in Congress and no Republican in The White House, THE AGENDA CHANGES. Citizens are at liberty to demand what is sensible from such a government, because there is no counterbalance power pulling the other way. Try it. You'll like it.
ike Kay...Same lies as before...And I voted for the sellout. They'll all sell their souls for power, safe haven and a Swiss bank account.
Social liberals want a social welfare state and therefore preach passive acceptance of taxation. Meanwhile our warmongering capitalist oppressors exploit this passive acceptance and enslave us to the war enterprise.
Unfortuntely, progressives stand alone with our agenda to build mass self-determination, something that could serve us all very well in our quest to throw off the shackles of slavery to the war enterprise and to all the capitalist enterprises.
Small wonder why progressives refuse to join the triangulating Demoks. We're voting third parties in the election unless the Demoks manage to carry out their orders: Impeach the criminals and abandon the Middle East by election day.
By the way - we don't need any fossil/nuclear energy. Try energy conservation plus a biofuel contract with your local small farmer. Stipulate sustainable production practices, limit your consumption to 250 gal/year, and don't pay any more than $2/gal.
Helix ... yap, and he also tried getting rid of the Federal Reserve just before he was killed
willybill, you are correct, sorry helix
Catbutt...Phew..I was a bit worried!
~If this is going to effect the rate of return on my original investment I may have to resort to 'Plan B', ultra cum pronto, to ameliorate the present situation...~
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Helix, you quoted greatbear215's quote, "America ought to try footing the bill for peace, instead, it's cheaper"! You say, "which is exactly the reason that we're always fighting some war somewhere."
Wow, is that what you think, you still buy into that's what we went into Iraq? Rove has done a number on you.
The war on Terror, in my opinion, the "mission accomplished" will be when Muslim/Islamic fundamentalist leaders stop telling their followers they will get 70 wives in the afterlife for using their bodies as hand grenades to kill americans. And that won't happen from makeing up phantom excuses to bomb a country that proposed no immediate threat to USA. Oh, "get them there, so they don't come here." Right, like us bombing them in their countries will make them hate us less and make it more difficult to pull another 911.
Right. Assume it's at least twice as much as reported, easily. The 1.6T is just the s**t they couldn't hide.
No one could have predicted multiple illegal invasions and occupations would have cost so much...
Well I guess now that we're so broke they won't have to pay us our Social Security benefits that are owed to us when we retire.
The war is fought with money borrowed from China and Japan. Our Soicial Security money has been used to give tax cuts to wealthy people that don't need them.
The evil bunch running this place has an agenda that is sick and corrupt.
Stock up for the coming Depression where a million paper dollars won't buy you a gallon of gas and all the nukes on Earth will be pointed at the USA.
And wait until we hit Iran...1.6 trillion will seem like loose change..........
Here's a letter from Senator Bill Nelson supporting more blood shed and lies........
Thank you for contacting me about U.S. relations with Iran.
The U.S. Director of National Intelligence has said there is "overwhelming evidence" that Iran supports terrorists in Iraq and "compelling" evidence that this is also the case in Afghanistan. Iran?s actions in Iraq are counterproductive to our efforts there and threaten regional stability.
Iran continues to pursue a nuclear capability. Because we do not know the size of the overall Iranian nuclear program, I support international inspections to ensure that Iran is not building a nuclear arsenal.
I view Iran as one of the most serious threats to the U.S. and our allies. I believe the Administration should make every effort to pursue diplomacy and negotiations to address this threat.
Because of these concerns, I decided to cosponsor S. 970, the Iran Counter-Proliferation Act, and S. 1430, the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act. These bills would strengthen our sanctions against Iran. Furthermore, I voted for an amendment to the recently passed Defense Authorization bill that calls for Iran?s Islamic Revolutionary Guard to be designated a foreign terrorist organization due to its actions in Iraq.
Please know that I will continue to monitor the Iranian situation closely, and I will keep your views in mind as it develops.
I remember the Republicans complaining of vaginitis when they quoted a figure of $40 billion per year for Clinton's universal health care plan back in the early 1990s.
Why is it that the USA (United States of Atrocities) shells out obscene sums of money to kill non-white people to steal their oil, but doesn't spend enough to take care of its sick, its young, its elderly, or its disabled? Even though I am an American, I do not love the USA for this reason alone. With each passing day, I like the USA less and less. Only a revolution will right the wrongs in this fu**ing country.
Yeah, he died tryng.
salvia,
Re: "The second remedy is to eliminate the Military-industrial complex."
I believe JFK was the last President to try that...
greatbear215,
Re: "America ought to try footing the bill for peace, instead; it's cheaper!"
... which is exactly the reason that we're always fighting some war somewhere.
[quote]purvis ames November 13th, 2007 1:55 pm -- If the American people put up with this sort of systematic looting much longer they're going to wake up in a depression that will make the Great Depression look small-time.[/quote]
I would quibble with that only to the extent that I think it's no longer a question of if people put up with the looting. On Sunday, the AFP reported that the Group of Seven richest nations (G7) is already considering direct "intervention" in the dollar's decline to prevent a "disorderly correction". That suggests to me that the best anyone can hope for is an "orderly correction", which is preferred by financial institutions, but doesn't usually help us ordinary plebians very much.
Mike Whitney has written another good article on the subject today. Brief excerpt:
Amid the deluge of bad news over the weekend; one story towers above all the others. The yen gained 1.5 per cent against the dollar. (9 per cent year-over-year) That means that Wall Street's biggest swindle, the carry trade, is finally unwinding. The over-levered hedge funds will now be forced to sell their positions quickly before the interest-rate window shuts and they're stuck with humongous bets they cannot cover. The faltering yen is the grease that lubricates the guillotine. $1 trillion in low interest loans--which keeps the trading whirring along in US markets--is about to get a haircut. Cheap Japanese credit is the hidden flywheel in Hedgistan's main-cylinder. Once it is removed, the industry will seize up and clank to a halt. Fund managers can forget about the vacation rental in the Hamptons. It'll be sloppy Joes and Schlitz Malt-liquor on Coney Island from here on out.
I'll add, as MAXHEMUST wrote, the money went to kill more than a million people. We also destroyed countries which we have forever polluted with deadly DU ammo.
You got it nailed PURVIS AMES.
Imagine what just a third of that wasted money could have done in the areas of education, cleaning the enviroment, developing carbon fuel alternatives, our infastructure, health care and decent health insurance for all.
Let this absolute waste of money and lives be a lesson to all Americans:
Scapegoating may be fun and amusing to your society. Revenge may be sweet brutal and best served cold; but reconciliation and showing forgiveness and humility during times of adversity is much more cheaper, with the added bonus of showing positive morality.
Whatever consequence, if any, may happen with the USA nation due its choices (Remember that invading/occupying Iraq and Afghanistan WAS a choice the USA made! Do not blame the 9/11 event. That would be shifting blame. The point is that the USA chose revenge when it did not have to) ...I hope the most negative it can be.
And where is all the money going? To Cheney's Halliburton, Bush Senior's Carlyle Group, and who could forget Blackwater? If the American people put up with this sort of systematic looting much longer they're going to wake up in a depression that will make the Great Depression look small-time.
just a little more info on the US financial crisis ...
"Ron Paul, The Federal Reserve, JFK and M3: Devaluing Americans into Bankruptcy"
http://www.chycho.com/?q=node/1244
"The Comptroller General of the United States, formerly known as the General Accounting Office, which is "a legislative branch agency founded by Congress in 1921 to ensure the accountability of the federal government", in their latest audit of the federal debt have revealed that "deficit spending and promised benefits for federal entitlement programs have put every man, woman, and child in the United States on the hook for $175,000". This is exclusive of the personal debt that each person may carry...
Now that personal debts are no longer cleared upon declaring bankruptcy, almost every person in the United States will die a slave.
How did the United States economy become so devastated and the populace so indebted? The Federal Reserve and the Military-industrial complex have most of the answers. The American lifestyle has the rest...
The second remedy is to eliminate the Military-industrial complex. "USA is responsible for 48 per cent" of the world's total military spending, consuming over 41% of "US tax payer's money", not including hidden costs. When a country spends almost half its income of warfare, then it is doomed to economic oblivion and every other public priority, from healthcare to education and community development to social programs must be cut."
In a real sense, the talk of money is sickening - it's as if the money is more important than the hundreds of thousands who've lost their lifes and limbs.
It's typical of the corporatocracy to be cold and heartless when the lifes of peasants are the issue. Put a few million in their reach and they start drooling, even though they already have hundreds of millions. They are the root of the world's biggest problems.
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"I swear by the God of my parents, I swear by my nation,
I swear by my honor that I will not allow my soul to rest,
nor my arm to relax until I have broken the chains that
oppress my people through the will of the powerful.
Free elections, free land and free men,
horror to the oligarchy."
Oath used by Hugo Chavez (when he was 28) and some of his revolutionary friends. (from page 80, !HUGO! by Bart Jones)...
The bill for repairs and reparations are each that much again. Iran will be triple that cost. I think the bill for Bush's last supper should be charged to the Republicans and the Red State Christians. How is Georgie Porgie going to inflate his way out of this? It's time to 'repudiate' the debt and don sackcloth and ashes for the world apology tour.
It was good old Chuck Schumer this cynacal member of a group that includes Feinstein and Pelosi who must be defeated. This group voted to let yet another Attorney General who supports Bush to have the chair.
IKE
America ought to try footing the bill for peace, instead; it's cheaper!
All this spending to preserve that which is being spent. Soon comes the time when the spenders realize that they are spinning yarn to clothe a corpse.
Chuck Schumer says the cost is unacceptable, but he along with his fellow pols are going to accept it anyways.
And the Afghan and Iraqi people are seeing little of those funds.
ike kay oh you can count on that for sure just look at his donors.
1,600,000,000,000 - value in dollars
incalculable - value in lost lives, lost human potential, lost human kindness and compassion
heavy sigh
The greatest transfer of wealth from the public treasury to the oligarchy since the time of the robber barons. By destroying economic democracy, the plutocracy ensures blowback and their own demise.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith