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Hillary Clinton's Foreign Policy: Nothing Wagered, Nothing Learned
Hillary Clinton is not the most hawkish foreign policy Democrats among 2008 hopefuls. Barack Obama, who suffers from that Kennedy inferiority complex, is. At least that's the conclusion one is forced to draw after reading their respective white papers in Foreign Affairs. Obama's preceded Clinton's by several months. Maybe Clinton is softening her image. She is all about adaptation, triangulation, obfuscation. And she gives few specifics. That said, her Foreign Affairs piece projects a more human, less bombastic Clinton foreign policy than we're generally led to believe. But it also projects an astonishing reverence for the status quo and a fatal misunderstanding of how American power is perceived abroad: she makes no distinction between the way Americans want it perceived, and the way it actually is perceived. The question is not whether she can be trusted. It is whether she considers her education complete. If yes, we-the United States and the world-have not seen the end of their American-enabled troubles.
The usual presumptions are all there: "The world still looks to the United States for leadership. American leadership is wanting, but it is still wanted." Who she means by "the world" isn't clear: The 50-odd countries of the Arab and Muslim world want American leadership? The European Union wants American leadership? The 2 billion people of China, India and Indonesia want American leadership? What Clinton means is that 300 million Americans want the world to want American leadership, but that moment is past.
What the world wants, more likely, is a little less American leadership, which the world interprets as unilateral Father-Knows-Best Americanism, and more American responsibility: America, in other word,s should do its part, from cutting its own nuclear weapons stockpiles to its own carbon emissions to its own arms exports to its own proclivities for meddling. Clinton is still hung up on "leadership," a term increasingly locked and loaded. The proof is in Clinton's kicker: "I will rebuild our power to ensure that the United States is committed to building a world we want, rather than simply defending against a world we fear." A world we want? I have visions of a three year old at the dinner table commanding the spread before and beyond him: I want this, I want that, I want it all, and expecting the convicts around the table to jump at his every command. That, it seems, is how Clinton sees her world, with herself its 3-year-old head.
Clinton is right to note the obvious: the "next president will be the first to inherit two wars," actually three, although she calls the "war on terror" by its more accurate name: "a long-term campaign against global terrorist networks." That's one of the more encouraging small details in her approach: there's no mention of a "war on terror," certainly no mention of Giuliani's harebrained "War Against Us" or John McCain's apocalyptic, and apoplectic, vision of a civilizational clash. But the open-endedness that Clinton gives her campaign, in time and targets, is no different than that of Clinton or McCain, even if her overriding principle is not: "We must return to a pragmatic willingness to look at the facts on the ground and make decisions based on evidence rather than ideology." Maybe we'll be spared pre-emptive wars in a Clinton presidency. Here she is at her principled strongest:
Avoid false choices driven by ideology. The Bush administration has presented the American people with a series of false choices: force versus diplomacy, unilateralism versus multilateralism, hard power versus soft. Seeing these choices as mutually exclusive reflects an ideologically blinkered vision of the world that denies the United States the tools and the flexibility it needs to lead and succeed. There is a time for force and a time for diplomacy; when properly deployed, the two can reinforce each other. U.S. foreign policy must be guided by a preference for multilateralism, with unilateralism as an option when absolutely necessary to protect our security or avert an avoidable tragedy.
She cannot, however, resist the Rambo imagery every one of her rivals has embraced: "We cannot negotiate with individual terrorists; they must be hunted down and captured or killed." Note the distinction between terrorist nations (which she deems Iran to be) and "individual terrorists." She'll negotiate with Iran, as we'll see in a moment. She won't negotiate with individual terrorists. Why the distinction, especially when she recognizes, as we all do, that individual terrorists have just as much power as states? Clinton (and all establishment candidates) are still hopelessly stuck in a rather childish mode of perceptions that seeks to appease public presumptions more than tackle international problems in earnest.
What of Iraq? That's the big question. Here, one finds her at once in her safest, vaguest mode. She recognizes that ending the war "is the first step toward restoring the United States' global leadership," but that immediately raises a red flag. As noted earlier, restoring American leadership, as opposed to restoring American credibility in the world, are two currently contradictory motives. Clinton opts for leadership.
On withdrawal from Iraq, here are her best proposals:
- "I will convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the secretary of defense, and the National Security Council and direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home, starting within the first 60 days of my administration."
- "While working to stabilize Iraq as our forces withdraw, I will focus U.S. aid on helping Iraqis, not propping up the Iraqi government. Financial resources will go only where they will be used properly, rather than to government ministries or ministers that hoard, steal, or waste them." (Good, but corruption is rampant at every level of Iraqi society.)
- "I will convene a regional stabilization group composed of key allies, other global powers, and all the states bordering Iraq. Working with the newly appointed UN special representative for Iraq, the group will be charged with developing and implementing a strategy for achieving a stable Iraq that provides incentives for Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey to stay out of the civil war." (To stay out of Iraq, of course, is the wrong word: all those nations are up to their missiles' neck-deep in Iraq as it is.)
It's good to see Clinton recognizing the plight of 4 million Iraqi refugees, and wanting the United States to do more than it's doing, but she doesn't say what or how.
On Israel and Palestine, she's scant and imprecise. She repeats the usual platitudes: Palestinians must have a nation of their own, they must recognize Israel, they must renounce violence (never once, of course saying that Israel would do well to renounce violence and end its occupation of Palestinian lands). And she puts a premium on American mediation, which is what's lacked most during the Bush years. Beyond that, nothing.
On Iran: She doesn't call for nuking Iran here, but she leaves the option open: " Iran must conform to its nonproliferation obligations and must not be permitted to build or acquire nuclear weapons. If Iran does not comply with its own commitments and the will of the international community, all options must remain on the table." Those musts raise the question: what if Iran didn't do any of these things? And why should it not acquire nuclear weapons? Still, there's an adaptive approach. Clinton notes that one of the best ways to strengthen American credibility on convincing Iran to verge off nuclear armament is to cut its own nuclear stockpiles. A good, original suggestion (at least among presidential candidates, most of whom seem to have forgotten that America's stockpiles are still massive and massively dangerous).
Obama has adapted his outlook too. In his Foreign Affairs piece, he all but endorsed war on Iran if it carried on with nuclear ambitions. He has since tempered his approach, talking of engaging Iran diplomatically first and foremost, including a promise of not seeking "regime change," if Iran agrees to renounce terrorism and meddling in Iraq in return, and abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions. That's a tall order. It amounts to telling Iran who and what to be. How can the United States tell Iran not to meddle in Iraq when American troops are occupying the country? But don't get hung up on specifics. Candidates are painting an image of themselves, not setting out agendas. So what's more important is the shift in tone. Obama may be realizing that he went too far with the war talk. Clinton, aside from her silly reminder that she's as nuke-trigger-happy as the next guy, was always a step ahead of him.
But Clinton's hawkishness was in full force a couple of weeks ago when Bush announced sanctions on Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps and its Quds division. The Senate went further. It declared the Guard a foreign terrorist organization (which is no different than declaring the U.S. Marines an American terrorist organization). And Clinton voted for that silly initiative, as did 74 other senators. None of the other Democratic candidates supported the resolution.
On China: Here too, Clinton is taking the establishment line that China is America's next great challenge, if not enemy: "Our relationship with China will be the most important bilateral relationship in the world in this century." Then she makes a startling statement: "The United States and China have vastly different values and political systems, yet even though we disagree profoundly on issues ranging from trade to human rights, religious freedom, labor practices, and Tibet, there is much that the United States and China can and must accomplish together." Strange. Why doesn't that standard apply to Iran? China sponsors terrorism, too. In Darfur. Which Clinton in this very essay declares a "genocide" (it'll be interesting to see if she maintains that designation when she's elected president. One of her husband's most shameful legacy is his tap-dancing around the word when it came time to see the Rwandan genocide for what it was-and his withdrawing of U.N. troops from Rwanda once the genocide became known.) China is repressive. China meddles.
Ah, but China holds more than $1 trillion in U.S. public and private debt. Let's not upset the tiger. Let's cozy up to the cage, especially since we're the ones in the cage.
On the rest of the world: Clinton has cursory recognition for India's rise as an economic power, but barely a few lines for Africa, the eternal step-child of foreign affairs. She declares education "the foundation of economic opportunity" the world over, and that it should lie "at the heart of America's foreign assistance efforts," but that will require a fundamental shift away from what's at the heart of America's foreign assistance efforts today: arms sales. She has a few good words for fighting global warming, but her clearest suggestion is as tame and unconvincing as her market=-based approach to health care reform: "a market-based cap-and-trade approach."
Her reprise of the old Jimmy Carter theme is encouraging: "We have undercut international support for fighting terrorism by suggesting that the job cannot be done without humiliation, infringements on basic rights to privacy and free speech, and even torture. We must once again make human rights a centerpiece of U.S. foreign policy and a core element of our conception of democracy."
But in the end, while one's not surprised by anything, Clinton comes off as a Lieberman-like equivocator who'll do what's necessary to protect the American status quo first and foremost. Her foreign policy recognizes that massive mistakes have been made, but her program includes nothing like a retraction as opposed to an adjustment, a retreat-with-honor sort of bet that, if we still deploy American might all over the world but do it more carefully and less bombastically, the world would love us all over again. She forgets the biggest lesson of all-not 9/11, but the 1990s, when her husband was president and American forces and power was projected in exactly the sort of ways she now projects. It was those projections that gave rise and reason to al-Qaeda's followers, and to their attacks on the Cole, on the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, on the embassies in Africa, and so on.
Clinton, in other words, has learned very little. She wants education for the rest of the world. The best place to start is Hillary Clinton.
Pierre Tristam is a News-Journal editorial writer. Reach him at ptristam@att.net or through his personal Web site at www.pierretristam.com .
© 2007 Pierre Tristam
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Show AllForget about Hillary Clinton..go anti-war candidate all the way: Kucinich 2008..or even Ron Paul.
stop the madness
If you think Obama has said things he shouldn't, you're obviously right. If you think he's more hawkish than Hillary Clinton, you are engaged in the strangely satisfying exercise of destroying the imperfect-though-better. Political analysis is more subtle than finding what you most like or dislike about a politician and then "proving" you know her/his "real" agenda. That's just how Neocon "scholars" "prove" that Ahmadinejad is a mortal threat and the West "has no choice" but to attack Iran.
"The Senate went further. It declared the Guard a foreign terrorist organization (which is no different than declaring the U.S. Marines an American terrorist organization). And Clinton voted for that silly initiative, as did 74 other senators."
Pierre has his heart in the right place, but that "silly" initiative authorized an illegal attack on Iran, which will probably result in the cold-blooded murder of millions of innocent civilians. All to please AIPAC and keep the Zionist apartheid regime in power.
After voting yes on a silly resolution to authorize an illegal attack on Iraq, Hillary turns around and does the same against Iran. What else do we need to know about Hillary?
"…Hillary will be good for America… we'll be very pleased that she's president." — Lynn Forester de Rothschild, Portfolio magazine, October 5, 2007
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=753
She's in the bag.
Hillary had better not count her chickens before they hatch. She may be laying something the voters don't want.
Stop bashing Obama. He's come out saying he will reestablish diplomacy with the supposed axis of evil. He's declared himself against the Iraq war from the beginning. How is that hawkish?
But it also projects an astonishing reverence for the status quo and a fatal misunderstanding of how American power is perceived abroad: she makes no distinction between the way Americans want it perceived, and the way it actually is perceived.
And how, pray tell, does that make her any different from the vast majority of her competitors and constituents? That they even care how it's perceived is uncertain at best.
Neither Obama or Clinton will promise they will have the troops out by 2013! (see debates).
Want peace? Dennis Kucinich.
I think Pierre Tristam has written a well thought out article that give the reasons for it's title "nothing wagered, nothing learned". This statement "The European Union wants American leadership? The 2 billion people of China, India and Indonesia want American leadership? What Clinton means is that 300 million Americans want the world to want American leadership, but that moment is past." sums-up the situation. Hillary, like 90 percent of Americans live in an insulated capsule isolated from the reality of whats going on in the world. I have in-laws in England and travel there once in awhile, they have no wish to be led by the U.S., they are doing fine thank you. I live in Mexico. Most of my friends are Mexicans whom I met through my children's school, they have no desire to be led by the U.S., they are doing fine thank you. I lived in the Middle East for three years, they sure as hell don't want to be led by the U.S. But when I return to the U.S. to visit my older children they and their friends are totally ignorant of how the U.S.and it's "leadership" is seen outside the U.S. They don't believe that the U.S. is seen as an arrogant, ignorant "bull in the china shop" and not an icon of leadership.
The most interesting thing about this article is not the revelations about Clinton--that is nothing new--rather the glancing mention of Obama being the greater hawk. Obama is now being promoted as the anti-Clinton now that Hillary is not quite as inevitable. How anyone can fall for the platitudes Obama with his phoney down-home black folk affectations when he speaks to African-American audiences, his awarkward naivete, his bland, shallow whiteness, his absence of substance, his missing votes on vital issues, his positions especially on trade- is proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time. The fact that he is being promoted is evidence that he is acceptible to those who script these outcomes. The bases are covered.
Barn Burner, you're dead on about how the world sees "American global leadership."
Sky Sonja, you're also dead on: the only alternative to increasing the iron grip of the corporatocracy on an almost terminal American democracy, and the only alternative to endless war, is Dennis Kucinich.
In '08, there are two choices for America: Kucinich or chaos.
Hillary once warned of a "vast, right wing conspiracy." Now she's part of it.
Ha, good point purvis ames. I guess the real bottom line is Clinton and Obama are just politicians who have their finger to the political wind. I will vote for Kucinich in the primaries if I have that option but let's be honest here - Kucinch has little or no chance of being chosen as the Democratic Presidential candidate.
A Hillary regime would be a scripted regime:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/clinton.planted/index.html
What kind of people do this sort of work????
all power is dangerous, but man must use it by his very nature. should we ban automobiles?
and why the crying about the media candidates? it's a government of the rich, for the rich, and by the rich.
If Kucinich doesn't get it, then i'll vote for Hilary or whoever happens to be the lesser of the two evils running. Hilary could be telling the oligarchy what they want to hear just to get in power. That wouldn't be such a bad idea.
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"I swear by the God of my parents, I swear by my nation,
I swear by my honor that I will not allow my soul to rest,
nor my arm to relax until I have broken the chains that
oppress my people through the will of the powerful.
Free elections, free land and free men,
horror to the oligarchy."
Oath used by Hugo Chavez (when he was 28) and some of his revolutionary friends. (Page 80, !HUGO! by Bart Jones)...
noisefactor
Stop bashing Obama. ...He's declared himself against the Iraq war from the beginning. How is that hawkish?
Think again. I heard him say this back in 2004, and right then and there I knew he wasn't against the Bush-war.
In July of '04, Barack Obama, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know," in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: "There's not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush's position at this stage.">/blockquote>
His explanation?
[Obama] ...that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party's nominees' decisions when it came to Iraq.
So he decided to say he was "with Bush" on the war because other Democrats were saying it. That's about as wimpy as you can get. This occurred AFTER Bush made that joke about the WMDs, so all of America knew he'd taken us into Iraq on the basis of lies:
...at one point, Bush showed a photo of himself looking for something out a window in the Oval Office, and he said, "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere."
Barn Burner: WHY must you and other alleged progressives ALWAYS end your Kucinich support in the primaries with:
"Kucinch has little or no chance of being chosen as the Democratic Presidential candidate."
Do you have ANY CLUE how uttering the contradiction with that kind of "I'll-cover-my-ass-here" message that sends out? Gawd damn--there's enough fucking negative "vibes" against him from the MSM and neo-cons and Dem haters. Back off that language, huh!!!
"She cannot, however, resist the Rambo imagery every one of her rivals has embraced." this statement betrays a very unfortunate ignorance of the Kucinich campaign.
this article takes for granted the elephant in the living room: we are trying to occupy the whole ME.
Ostrogoth -
The other largely ignored problem with Kyl-Lieberman was that the Iranian parliament responded to the US Senate branding the Quods Guards a terrorist organization by quickly declaring the US Army and the CIA to be terrorist organizations. This would be just more adolescent sabre-rattling in the sandbox but for the fact that Little George and Antonio Gonzales have equated terrorists under the neo-con version of international law with "enemy combatants", for purposes of abolishing long recognized Geneva Convention prisoner of war protections.
Keep the legacy of Gitmo in mind whenever (heaven forbid) some US soldiers get overrun in a border skirmish, or if Bush/Cheney launch a shock and awe bombing attack and Iran retaliates on the ground against American occupation forces inside Iraq. The first time some captured GI gets beheaded in a Shiite militia PR snuff video, be sure to hold accountable all 75 of the Senators who, along with Hillary Clinton, voted for what Pierre Tristam terms that "silly initiative."
Arvy and Barnburner -
You and Pierre's critique of the candidates' utter myopia (when it comes to envisioning a world where something called US leadership is wanted and appreciated by others abroad) goes straight to the heart of the matter.
Once upon a time, both the GOP and the Democratic Party had factions within their base that had no problem whatsoever being labeled isolationist. You mind your business, and we'll mind ours. Let our actions set an example, and anybody who wants to emulate the American model is certainly welcome to do so. Bargain in good faith. Avoid unnecessary foreign entanglements.
Today, Karl Rove delights in scripting straw man charges for Bush and Cheney to throw about which characterize the neo-conservatives' critics as naive, pre-911 mindset, compromising wimps - a bunch of well intentioned fools who do not understand the true threat of international terrorism and who cling to the belief that our oceans can protect us. The GOP kicks those straw men around, while the Dems keep pontificating about the United States being the world's only super power, and how we must discharge the burdens of global leadership that history has thrust upon us.
So how, on the campaign trail (or before the Council on Foreign Relations for that matter), can a candidate who wants to reject the notions of preemptive war, militarism, and American empire do so, without sounding like a timid defeatist? How can the anti-imperialist perspective of say, Howard Zinn or Chalmers Johnson, be translated into partisan vernacular?
Where is George Lakoff and the rest of those beltway hotshots when it comes to framing this much needed public debate?
Bill from Saginaw
Forget what Obama said about Iraq its what he thinks about Iran right now which is more important. See this article here:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/281249,CST-NWS-OBAMA03.article
dcbeltway
Thanks for the link.
So Obama would take us into WW III with an attack on Iran, along with many of the other Democratic presidential candidates. I'm really not surprised, though I am surprised that he said it so forthrightly in that speech -- that he'd be open to attacking them.
No anti-war candidate, he. And baaaad news as a candidate.
Yes I am really disappointed to.
David Keppel Hillary is same:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Senator_Clinton_wont_run_out_war_0203.html
Ron Paul or Kucinich are our only hope. Pro-Peace.
Overpopulation + resource concentration and scarcity = chaos and fear = reactionary authoritarianism = conservativism
Less than one year from today we will have most probably elected Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Barack Obama, John Edwards or Hillary Clinton as President of the United States.
There is little else to say to people who, calling themselves progressive, are presumed to not favor Republicans. Author or no author, Hillary is not the worst of the six frontrunners, not the worst on foreign policy, and not the worst on anything else.
Spare me the "I'm to good to vote for lesser evils"
schtick. You're gonna get what you're gonna get. The only question will be whether you helped Republicans or not.
The Black Agenda Report has paid quite a bit of attention to both the Obama and Clinton campaigns. You may want to check out the latest installment, "Obama and Clinton: The Siamese Twins" (Wednesday, 07 November 2007)and other previous articles at:
http://www.blackagendareport.com/
David Keppel
When two candidates indicate they'd attack Iran, one is not more "hawkish" than the other -- they're both hawks. If you shoot me with a smile on your face, it's no different than if you shot me while frowning.
A majority of Democratic legislators are hawks now, cozied up to Bush's unconstitutional agenda. That's madness. It's ILLEGAL to order an attack on a sovereign country that has made no move to attack your country. Didn't Iraq make things clear?
No thanks, neither one will get my vote, nor any other campaigner who says he'll attack Iran.
Look, Kucinich is not going to win the nomination. Not a chance, not presidential, so get over it. Hillary must play the Politician to get elected. This means playing to the largest base: the middle, with small olive branches left and right. She cannot get elected by appearing entirely progressive, or liberal; or by being too far right of center. What part of that don't you people understand? When she is elected the real Hillary can take over, which is a Democrat left of center, but not progressive. If you want progressive, form your own party. Edwards is unelectable because he is too far left. Obama, while promising, needs more seasoning on the big stage. Hillary is the right person to begin cleaning up this MESS at this time.
The rest of the world does not want America LEADING, but rather assuming leadership with other nations to bring about more world harmony. Hillary understands this; however, this situation in America is that one has to do a lot of pandering to various interest groups/factions to get elected. THAT is what she is doing. She has to GET ELECTED first and that means, as I said, straddling the center.
Cut her some slack, she is what America needs because she has more respect from the people who know how to get things done than any of the other candidates.
nickerando
You're DREAMING if you think Hillary Clinton will "clean up the mess". Why should she? She helped make the mess by supporting every unconstitutional bill Bush wanted or being conveniently absent during votes on vital bills.
She and lots of the Democrats have lost the support of many progressives and anti-war voters who voted Democratic in 2006 on the basis of the Democratic promise to get us out of Iraq and stop the illegal Bush agenda. They were America's only hope to stop the Bush administration before they could do even more damage. And what did the Democrats, including Hillary, do?
More than nothing -- they gave Bush everything he wanted.
Many of the people who voted Democratic in 2006 don't trust Hillary, now that she's become visible as a candidate, given her voting record and what she's saying now in her campaign. She's a warmonger, too. People are planning to vote their consciences in 2008, not the lesser of two evils, because of the Democratic betrayal of them since 2006. Most of the Democrats will have nobody to blame but themselves. The voters won't be like the wimpy Congressional Democrats who caved in without a peep on everything important, like this Constitutional crisis facing the US.
We know the Republicans don't give a damn about the Constitution since they originally helped create and supported Bush's agenda. The Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, have made it clear they don't give a damn either because they've supported it, too. There's nothing like treachery to turn people against politicians. As I say, most the Democrats have no one to blame but themselves. They had a chance for a landslide victory in 2008 and have blown it big-time by showing us their "stuff" since 2006.
celebrity says:Barn Burner: WHY must you and other alleged progressives ALWAYS end your Kucinich support in the primaries with:
"Kucinch has little or no chance of being chosen as the Democratic Presidential candidate."
Whey would I have to cover my ass as you later state? I am not politician, I am not going to be tested later, I have no financial stake in the outcome more or less than any other citizen. If you think Kacinich has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination-great, I don't. If you are correct we will vote for him in November and I will gladly eat humble pie.
Noisefactor: "Stop bashing Obama. He's come out saying he will reestablish diplomacy with the supposed axis of evil. He's declared himself against the Iraq war from the beginning. How is that hawkish?"
His views regarding Iraq may not be hawkish but Obama has said many times that regarding Iran all options (including the use of military force) are on the table. How is that NOT hawkish? Obama, like Hillary, are bunch of American Likudniks.
"She'll negotiate with Iran, as we'll see in a moment. She won't negotiate with individual terrorists. Why the distinction, especially when she recognizes, as we all do, that individual terrorists have just as much power as states?"
Ummm, no they don't.
I don't think we all recognize that individual terrorists have just as much power as individual states. Clearly they do not. Individual states have land, which can be fortified, natural resources which can be sold or bartered, populations that can be drafted into service, international recognition, need I go on?
This is simply not true. Some terrorists did manage a rather shocking attack on the US, but if a state had wanted to do the same, I expect they could have planned and executed such an attack with greater ease than a rag-tag band of stateless terrorists.
The writer forgot to mention Latin America. They certainly are not looking to the United States for leadership!
BTW, everyone continues to keep yacking about "voting" for this one or that one or the other one. Now that our election system has been corporately privatized with hackable proprietary software, what on EARTH makes any of you think there will be a free and fair election in this country? We cannot even count the votes people! I do believe they are even banning the mighty "exit" polls! God forbid we should actually know who the hell we voted for!
And nevermind the corporate media manipulation of the entire process. The fascist bitch Nancy Pelosi made sure Dennis Kucinich was excluded from the Democrats Iowa dinner Saturday night probably because he had the gonads to put the impeachment of Dick Cheney ON THE TABLE where it obviously belongs. He broke away from the queen's rule and paid the price.
Personally, I like Kucinich and Paul because they are the only two telling the truth who are against U.S. military domination of the planet. I can't wait until Nov. 16th, the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, to send Ron Paul another couple hundred bucks! I'd like to see him really rake in some cash just to see Wolf Blitzer, Sean Hannity and the other "pundits" squirm.
And by the way, don't be too shocked when Pelosi sticks the "draft bill" onto the 2008 Military Appropriations bill. They'll sneak it in on a voice vote and slink off for the holidays. Mandatory draft age? 18-42 and Bush has the right to institute martial law within the legislation under a "national emergency". Just Google it and read it. And weep.
There's only one candidate that speaks the truth and lives by it...none other than Dennis Kucinich. Support him.he's our man!
I'll never vote for Clinton Or Obama, and well, Edwards , Don't trust him either.
rickerando,
You obvious don't have the historical knowledge to judge the reality of politics. Bubba Clinton's campaign was farther left than his wife and Obama's campaigns are now. Once he got in office he passed NAFTA slapped together a shitty health care plan that he knew had no chance of passing the senate and signed the Telecommunications act of 96.
Now you expect to Hillary to shift leftward once she's in office? That is FUCKING naive.
The difference between 92 and now is the elite is so soddened with triumphalism they feel they don't even have to pretend to care about the poor/working & middle classes.
rickerando - "What part of that don't you people understand?"
Before the CD firebreathers get at you, I wish to make something very clear to you. What part of you understands? You obviously get all your info from the TV. You have no sense of self. You're comment is evidence of your inability to consider other points of view because the bottom line is who wins. You live in a virtual world of displaced cynicism. You and others like you that find some kind of weird comfort in parroting what you here on FOX and CBS on news blogs have nothing to contribute to a discussion. To an idiot, a victory is the only means to an end of an election, but people of intellect are always open to discussion.
Rickerando "Look, Kucinich is not going to win the nomination. Not a chance, not presidential."
Right, he doesn't "Look presidential" like the 6'5 280 lb Thomson, or 6'3 pretty boy Romney. It's always about the looks of a President first. Does he/she look like they can be president?
Watch the PBS News Hour interview with Dennis Kucinich. He looked and sounded presidential to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1AhaH1ozbg
Obama a hawk? Of course! He is willing to go into Pakistan to get Osama. Entering another country that has not done you harm is against the Geneva Conventions, the principles of the United Nations, and Article VI of the US Constitution.
Does Obama know this:
Both Osama and 9/11 have been in the news lately but how many of us know that Osama bin Laden's role in the events of September 11, 2001 is not mentioned on the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted notice (http://www/fbi.gov/wanted.htm). In 2006, Rex Tomb, chief of investigative publicity for the FBI explains, "The reason 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11. . . . He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 . . . . ."
The Ithaca Journal asks, "If the U.S. government does not have enough hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan?" Indeed.
rickerando November 13th, 2007 8:00 pm
"If you want progressive, form your own party."
I have no problem with that, or voting for a progressive candidate in an already established third party. The fact is that the Democrats need us a lot more than we need them.
Lobo Gris
The partisan apologist says:
"The only question will be whether you helped Republicans or not."
That is, if all events are viewed through the prism of party labels. In that case said candidates can fundamentally be identical on the major issues--with slight adjustments for window dressing to conform to identity politics. They are identical on most foreign policy issues--relations to Israel and accepting the Right's framing of terrorism, patriot act, trade--primarily because they both serve the same constituencies. When the Democrats are competing with the Right for corporate America favor and other powerful lobbies and using strategies like triangulation to nullify the Right's attacks, they ultimately serve to weaken the Democratic platform and drive the Right towards even more radical territory. Moving to the Center is moving Right. The question then, under analysis, is who is helping the Republicans really?
Look rickerando, do the polls reflect support for a neocon agenda? They don't do they, so spare us the argument that Hillary must pay homage to their views to win the vote. If the vote matters--maybe that isn't who she needs to perform for--so don't try to tell us she has to pander to any of us to win, apparently.
The answer to Hillary is an obvious one.
VOTE KUCINICH !
Nova Scotian.. I loved what you said here:
"In '08, there are two choices for America: Kucinich or chaos."
I took the liberty of making a banner for Kucinich using your words.. hope you don't mind. I think it makes a GREAT campaign slogan.
As a Canadian who faithfully reads Common Dreams, I would just like to comment on the idea of leadership, discussed in the original article. I think it is a shame that the potential for real leadership in the world is being squandered by the United States government. I personally would welcome some leadership by example from the US, in cooperating with other nations to solve the problems of climate change, poverty, war and corruption. If the US were to really lead in these areas, rather than pursue, by force or threat of force, insular, short-term, selfish, national or even personal goals, I think the rest of the world would experience relief, gratitude and the hope and courage required to step out of this madness. The US has no choice; it is a leader. But what kind of leader? The despised one who propels us toward ruin or the respected one who shoulders the burden and thus inspires others to follow.
As for the presidential candidates, with the exception of Kucinich, none have the courage to break with the status quo, in my humble (but you already knew that) opinion.
Commenters at CD have diverging views about the audience here and that leads to many of the disagreements.
I always treat this CD comment section as a place where progressives gather to share perspectives and information. That is why I make comments such as "I love Kucinich, but if we all support him maybe we can get him from two to three percent." Some apparently think this area is a place to communicate to the general public, and so they issue forth comments such as "If you say anything negative about Kucinich's chances here, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy." It was a similar situation with regard to the Move-On ad about that cretin Petraeus.
I wish commenters would reflect a bit before denouncing others and try to understand there are many reasons for the expressions of divergent opinions here, and they should not assume the worst. Almost everyone here has progressive views and goals for our society, but everyone has different experiences and educational backgrounds as well as different conceptions of the purpose of the CD comment area, so diversity of opinion should be expected and even welcomed.
I think the world looks to see who the world's biggest bully is going to target next. They look at us with fear and apprehension. Hillary is a corporate centrist, not a liberal. She'll eliminate the bellicose rhetoric issuing forth from the current regime, but will she initiate any significant policy differences? I doubt it. Still, the prospect of another Clinton administration is comforting in comparison to a Giuliani, Rohmney, or McCain one.