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Intel Official: Expect Less Privacy
As Congress debates new rules for government eavesdropping, a top intelligence official says it is time that people in the United States changed their definition of privacy.
Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguard people's private communications and financial information.
Kerr's comments come as Congress is taking a second look at the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Lawmakers hastily changed the 1978 law last summer to allow the government to eavesdrop inside the United States without court permission, so long as one end of the conversation was reasonably believed to be located outside the U.S.
The original law required a court order for any surveillance conducted on U.S. soil, to protect Americans' privacy. The White House argued that the law was obstructing intelligence gathering because, as technology has changed, a growing amount of foreign communications passes through U.S.-based channels.
The most contentious issue in the new legislation is whether to shield telecommunications companies from civil lawsuits for allegedly giving the government access to people's private e-mails and phone calls without a FISA court order between 2001 and 2007.
Some lawmakers, including members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, appear reluctant to grant immunity. Suits might be the only way to determine how far the government has burrowed into people's privacy without court permission.
The committee is expected to decide this week whether its version of the bill will protect telecommunications companies. About 40 wiretapping suits are pending.
The central witness in a California lawsuit against AT&T says the government is vacuuming up billions of e-mails and phone calls as they pass through an AT&T switching station in San Francisco.
Mark Klein, a retired AT&T technician, helped connect a device in 2003 that he says diverted and copied onto a government supercomputer every call, e-mail, and Internet site access on AT&T lines.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which filed the class-action suit, claims there are as many as 20 such sites in the U.S.
The White House has promised to veto any bill that does not grant immunity from suits such as this one.
Congressional leaders hope to finish the bill by Thanksgiving. It would replace the FISA update enacted in August that privacy groups and civil libertarians say allows the government to read Americans' e-mails and listen to their phone calls without court oversight.
Kerr said at an October intelligence conference in San Antonio that he finds concerns that the government may be listening in odd when people are "perfectly willing for a green-card holder at an (Internet service provider) who may or may have not have been an illegal entrant to the United States to handle their data."
He noted that government employees face up to five years in prison and $100,000 in fines if convicted of misusing private information.
Millions of people in this country - particularly young people - already have surrendered anonymity to social networking sites such as MySpace and Facebook, and to Internet commerce. These sites reveal to the public, government and corporations what was once closely guarded information, like personal statistics and credit card numbers.
"Those two generations younger than we are have a very different idea of what is essential privacy, what they would wish to protect about their lives and affairs. And so, it's not for us to inflict one size fits all," said Kerr, 68. "Protecting anonymity isn't a fight that can be won. Anyone that's typed in their name on Google understands that."
"Our job now is to engage in a productive debate, which focuses on privacy as a component of appropriate levels of security and public safety," Kerr said. "I think all of us have to really take stock of what we already are willing to give up, in terms of anonymity, but (also) what safeguards we want in place to be sure that giving that doesn't empty our bank account or do something equally bad elsewhere."
Kurt Opsahl, a senior staff lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an advocacy group that defends online free speech, privacy and intellectual property rights, said Kerr's argument ignores both privacy laws and American history.
"Anonymity has been important since the Federalist Papers were written under pseudonyms," Opsahl said. "The government has tremendous power: the police power, the ability to arrest, to detain, to take away rights. Tying together that someone has spoken out on an issue with their identity is a far more dangerous thing if it is the government that is trying to tie it together."
Opsahl also said Kerr ignores the distinction between sacrificing protection from an intrusive government and voluntarily disclosing information in exchange for a service.
"There is something fundamentally different from the government having information about you than private parties," he said. "We shouldn't have to give people the choice between taking advantage of modern communication tools and sacrificing their privacy."
"It's just another 'trust us, we're the government,'" he said.
On the Net:
Kerr's speech: http://tinyurl.com/23dycq
© 2007 The Associated Press
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Show AllSo now "privacy" is limited so that it means neither privacy from the government nor privacy from big business? Who else is left? Privacy from some unnamed individual on the other side of the world who doesn't care anyways?
Seems to me like we're being asked to give up essential freedom for a little temporary -- and likely illusory -- security.
Where is Ben Franklin now that we really need him?
Am I the only one who thought this was going to be about the chipmaker?
Who IS this Man? How does an obviously educated person come to the conclusion that Privacy really doesn't mean... well... Privacy! Fourth Amendment... Bill of rights - Hello! This Facist has no business being anywhere near my Government, let alone in it. This is to be the #1 Data Man in the U.S. of A.? (laughs sardonically) We are in Deep Trouble.
"Kerr said at an October intelligence conference in San Antonio that he finds concerns that the government may be listening in odd when people are 'perfectly willing for a green-card holder at an (Internet service provider) who may or may have not have been an illegal entrant to the United States to handle their data.' "
What a stupid thing to say!
The surrendering of anonymity on social networking sites, blogs, venues like this, etc. is a conscious/deliberate opt-in from the user's perspective. Most people share publicly only those things they wish to share, and draw a fine line between what is desirable to expose in a social environment and what is not.
The bottom-line isn't about the sharing/collecting of information in general, it's about self-determination -- letting each person decide for him/herself what they wish to share and not share. The acursed autocrats haven't figured that out yet.
Sometimes serendipity takes over. It is perhaps ironic beyond coincidence that this article appears the same day that Intel annonces its next generation of microchip.
The Penryn 45nm (means nanometer--the current best avaiable is 65 nm) will be in PC's by next year. This is an exponential increase in processer capacity and speed. Faster, smaller, cheaper and God and Mr. Kerr only know what little secrets might be inside it.
"Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguard people's private communications and financial information."
Guess it's time to kill your TVs, cell phones, and home computers.
Donald M. Kerr
AKA Donald M. Kerr, Jr.
Born: c. 1941
Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Occupation: Government
Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Deputy Director, US National Intelligence
High School: William Penn Charter School
University: BSEE, Cornell University (1963)
University: MS Microwave Electronics, Cornell University (1964)
University: PhD Plasma Physics, Cornell University (1966)
Deputy Director of US National Intelligence (2007-)
National Reconnaissance Office Director (2005-07)
CIA employee Deputy Director for Science and Technology (2001-05)
FBI employee Assistant Director, Laboratory Division (1997-2001)
US Official Director, Los Alamos National Laboratory (1979-85)
US Energy Department Staff (1976-79)
SAIC EVP (1993-96)
American Physical Society
American Association for the Advancement of Science
Well, I googled him, but couldn't find any transcripts of him talking dirty to his wife.....Come on Donald, put them out there, imquiring minds want to know about your most personal details. asshole
This doesn't really matter much because soon the US dollar will be worthless. The economy is going to collapse and there will be no money in the government budgets to pay anyone to sit around and listen or read our personal communications. Americans more and more, Republican and Democrat, are becoming entirely fed up with our corrupt government and soon the feds will be irrelevant.
This coming May 2008 our government will put RFID chips in all our drivers licenses. This should cost the state $500,000,000.00 to do.
I do not want any chip anywhere near me. This must not happen.
NSA & CIA - fuck you
truthtopower:
Here ya go, take a look at this site if you really dislike RFID tags. This details a system to turn the tables (or just walk away from the table) on all those ubiquitous little slivers.
http://www.rfidguardian.org/index.php/Main_Page
Oh, and it also demonstrates why using them at all for anything non-trivial is a foolish waste of time and effort.
Let's not forget, it's Americans spying on Americans - at least until we outsource it to KBR Dubai, that is.
One nation, united eh?
This country needs a revolution if it is to right these injustices.
It's two tier privacy. One for corporations and the government. The other tier for everyone else.
It's blatantly undemocratic and unconstitutional.
This is fascist and oligarchical control.
It is un-American.
A new American revolution for freedom is needed.
Paul Bramscher
"...about self-determination — letting each person decide for him/herself what they wish to share and not share. The accursed autocrats haven't figured that out yet...."
And when they do, [if not already] they will be working out a way of shutting it down, criminalizing it and/or, any such dissent.
Big Brother already has access, datamining has only improved since the cold war era when dossiers were already widely known to contain info on just about anybody. Rather then a paranoid doubletake of some kind, realize that the control of information is power, decisions based on good information exponentially increase control. The heinous counting of holocaust victims on primitive hardware in the 20th Century dramatically potrays the danger. Keep in mind that information is used against you daily, everything from your career to the cozy relationship developers have with your City Council. On the flip side, the power of information to liberate the oppressed, literally as valuable as food in their mouths, is a stronger deterrant to a more paranoid and irrelevant Government. A blindly dutiful entity that clutches onto power, as a proxy for militant corporate influences, to use information against you.
The war on terror is phoney. Being told to sacrifice ANYTHING for something that is not real is pure BS.
On the other, hand Donald Kerr is right to suggest that we are giving up freedoms willingly. Everyone who uses a mobile phone, sends an email or posts on CV has
made the choice between convenience and privacy, and privacy lost.
Information provided by mobiles phones, and internet chat was always going to be monitored. After all, we have the largest intelligence organization. What will paid CIA employees do with their time otherwise? The CIA previously operated outside the law. Making torture and constant surveillance only makes legal what they are already doing.
simonhhh,
I was trying to speak up for freedom (self-determination), that the autocrats haven't figured out what real freedom means in the digital world. It is the user's perogative and his/hers alone, to decide what information to share and what not to share. Like voting, purchasing, anything else. User's choice.
But you may be correct: the sociopathic among us would rather censor what we can share (nothing disagreeable) and to collect our dirty laundry against our wishes -- Constitution be damned. We're more Republic than Constitutional these days.
But in the absense of genuine democracy (unicameral parliamentary system, Range or IRV, no electoral college, no electronic voting) it should come as no surprise that the most wealthy (plutocrats) and their lackeys (autocrats) run the show.
People, people, people please looking at what these neo-nazi stupid punks are saying. They are worse than Herr Hitler ever was. The assholes writing this junk are tied in with the Bush/Cheney terriost group. Look, D>C> is full of those doing more damage to us than any other enemy would think of doing
I see the enemy
He is us
MR Duncan..
I too thought it was going to be about Sintel inside.
Paul Bramscher...I agree with your comments..I was alluding to or attempting to allude the darker undercurrent of fascist style governance where individual expression is entirely expedient to overweening fascist corporatist rule; where statutory reform [sic] derogate individual rights.
PS: What a nightmare, talk about history repeating itself.
Another angle to this debacle can be found at:
"The Obedience Culture, and the Death of the Mind -- and Toward a New World"
by Arthur Silber [Excerpt]
"...the United States is fully militarized in a much deeper sense: it is now militarized psychologically and culturally. The other day, I analyzed how the critical lessons necessary to the achievement of an obedience culture are instilled in teenagers. As I noted there, the most fundamental lesson imparted to the high school students who peacefully protested the Iraq occupation is the necessity of obedience. Obedience, they were instructed, is the absolutely mandatory requirement -- if you wish to have a future, if you wish to pursue your goals, and if you wish to have any life at all.
As Fussell notes, and as I observed in my earlier discussion, you have only to give up a few things: justice, originality, honesty, and an independent mind. It should be noted that there is only an independent mind: to the extent you are willing to constrict your thought to acceptable mainstream views, you fail to think for yourself, and you give up any claim to genuine first-hand knowledge. You are left only with the unprocessed opinions of others, which you have never bothered to investigate or evaluate for yourself. Whatever might remain, it is not a mind in any meaningful sense...."
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2007/11/obedience-culture-and-death-of-mind-and.html
fpal has the right idea. In Northern Ireland, the people only took up arms against the government when the government had taken arms against them. The IRA fought for the rights of the people.
Gold Star and Extra Credit to first Common Dreamer who posts the following:
Donald Kerr's
Social Security number
Address
Drivers license
home phone number
Date of birth
Checking Account number
email address
cell phone number
criminal record
health files
resume
credit card numbers
What's good for the goose....
Ramsay
Don't count on the Senate Intell committee. The word is out (Greenwald) that Feinstein is going to vote with guess who? Yes, our idiot in chief.
She has to keep her husband Blume in those top of the line govenment contracts that she voted on. You guessed it the Senate committe said she did nothing wrong.
She lives, eats and sleeps the military industrial complex. How California calls itself a liberal state with it's Governor, Speaker of the House and their beloved Feninstein is beyound me.
"Kerr said at an October intelligence conference in San Antonio that he finds concerns that the government may be listening in odd when people are "perfectly willing for a green-card holder at an (Internet service provider) who may or may have not have been an illegal entrant to the United States to handle their data." "
If Kerr is talking about himself, the Department of Homeland Security can check to see whether he's legal or not; if not, maybe we can get rid of him before he becomes a further threat to our freedoms.
There is no reason that Americans' communications, of all kinds, cannot be more private and more anonymous than they are today; Americans can have any level of privacy or anonymity they desire and the intelligence community, with appropriate judicial approval, can have access to a small subset of these communications under special circumstances.
The only privacy we need to redefine is "executive privilege."
Bush uses Kerr's voice to proclaim that we have to destroy America in order to save America. That is the same reasoning given by the American artillery major during Tet of 1968 for why we flattened the South Vietnamese city of Ben Tre. "We had to destroy the city," said the major, "in order to save it."
Bush's mother needs to yell at him. Again. And again. And again.
Ramsay,
In addition to their failure to recognize self-determination of what citizens in the digital community wish to share, and not to share, there's the key asymetry: who gets to spy on who.
Last I read the Magna Carta, laws applied to everyone in the land. It would appear in today's world that sufficiently powerful hawks -- and individuals hiding in the bowels of powerful corporations -- are exempt from this set of laws.
Who polices the police?
I mean, what if Bush & Co. isn't really interested in what you or I write on the internet, but rather in obtaining information useful for insider trading and making a fortune with it? What check and balance, and public accountability, is there?
When Congressional oversight changed hands from Republicans to Democrats in 2006 the erosion of our freedoms wound down; we need to put independent oversight authority at all levels of government so we can watch the watchers, regardless of the party or branch of government to which they belong.
We have already had problems with the watchers watching their overseers watching them; oversight activities needs to be limited to oversight, but allowed to do that oversight without interference; Donald Kerr appears to be a good candidate for oversight.
"Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguard people's private communications and financial information."
"Government and business"........properly safeguard the people's private communications and financial information?
How about..."Government and the people"....properly safeguard (the people's) private communications and financial information? Has our government forgotten that mortgage lenders and other corporations have either given permission or sold the right to other corporations to access this private information?
Is this guy for real when he says, "it's time for people in the United States to change their definition of privacy"? What it's time for, is for this government to insist that CORPORATIONS use their own profits to safeguard the people's private communications and financial information!
If you're not yet familiar with the new legislation coming up for a vote: "Identity Theft Enforcement and Restitution Act of 2007", it's time that you get acquainted with yet another "corporate give-away" by our government which wants tax payers money to be used (get this!) to cover the ass' of multi-billion dollar corporations who don't want to use their profits to protect consumers (you & me) from getting our identities stolen through cybercrime.
Here's a copy of my response to the Senators who sent me an email asking me to support the upcoming legislation for the Identity Theft legislation:
Dear Senators: (Leahy and Durbin)
"But identity thieves don't just target individuals...cyber criminals often try to manipulate American businesses as well. That's why our legislation would also expand the coverage of federal computer fraud laws to small businesses and corporations."
Your legislation sounded wonderful until I got to the above paragraph which once again reflects and demonstrates the willingness of both the Republican and Democratic Party to subsidize billion dollar, money-making corporations with tax payer's hard earned dollars. Do you really believe that anyone with a functioning brain would want their tax dollars used to protect the profits of multi-billion dollar corporations when they can well afford to hire their own "fraud squad" computer geeks to prevent identity theft? Corporations are international and have no loyalty to the tax payers of this country....and you want us to support them so their global investors can reap the benefits from our stupidity? Are you kidding? What ever happened to corporate responsibility?
Trickle-up economics and the transfer of funds from U.S. tax payers to multi-billion dollar international corporations is disgusting. In my opinion, this legislation is just another corporate give-away. If corporations spent some of their profits to protect the interests of consumers, we wouldn't have the identity theft problems we have today.
This legislation will NOT get my support in its present form.
Yours truly,
Common Dreams readers: This legislation will use tax payers money "to help victims of identity theft receive full restitution -- not only compensating them for their direct losses but also for the loss of time and money spent restoring their credit." The problem is that our government wants to "extend" this compensation to "corporations".
Dang Gail you got me again! Your beautiful! Remember everyone, if you are caught threatening the president you can go to jail, over the phone like, "boy I wish I could slip my hands gently around Bushs little head and hang him out to dry on the linen line" or in threatening emails like "Impeach".
The worst part, once your name is on any list for any reason it will never be removed. If you had your identity stolen, your name is on a list of people who could be fraudulent yourself. Had an accident anyone?
I am concerned as to what this information is being mined for and who else is obtaining it.
There is a lot of room for abuse.
Suppose government executives and people working for telecommunications own stocks in credit card companies. The polititicans are lobbyists lapdogs and will allow the corporations to mine information.
They will give your cell# to 800 numbers or some other numbers overseas(not that we have any regulation here but the guise of is.
Wouldn't it be in the telecommunications interests to sell your number to run up your minutes so they can make more money.
How come you cannot block numbers from coming to your cell? The technology is there but the cell companies refuse to use it.
The frightening scenario that George Orwell layed out in
1984 is here, folks. You have no privacy, and you're expected to think (or not) like the rest of the sheeple. We're no better than the Jews that the Nazis loaded willy-nilly into box cars for internment or elimination. The only form of protest that will be effective is to simply "drop out." Get rid of your computers, cell phones and especially your TV's.
I think perhaps we ought to let all our information be made public - one decade after all those currently in power make theirs available, (and it is verified).
In other words, we are entitled to the same level of privacy as the president. Regardless of how he sees himself, he is just another citizen.
JUDGE ISSUES TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER IN CREW LAWSUIT AGAINST THE WHITE HOUSE
12 Nov 2007
"Today, U.S. District Judge Henry Kennedy granted Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington's (CREW) request for a temporary restraining order to prevent the White House from destroying back-up copies of millions of deleted emails while the lawsuit is pending.
CREW brought this lawsuit against the Executive Office of the President and the National Archives and Records Administration challenging their failure to restore and preserve millions of emails deleted from White House servers and to institute an effective electronic record-keeping system. When the White House refused to give adequate assurances that it would preserve back-up copies of the deleted emails -- the only source of these important historical records -- CREW sought a temporary restraining order.
In granting CREW's request for a temporary restraining order, the court rejected the White House's claim that it need not preserve all copies and that instead of an order it should be permitted to file a declaration.
Today's order is an important and necessary first step toward restoring and preserving for the public all the records of this administration, not just those self-selected for preservation by an administration committed more to secrecy than compliance with the law."
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/30422
Okay, now we're getting somewhere; and just so nothing slips through the cracks let's get restraining orders on everyone who sends emails to them and who they send emails to; including people outside the country. And don't forget those phone records. :)
The Second Amendment, as written by the Constitutional Convention of 1787, states:
"A well-regulated Internet being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear computer software and hardware tools and procedures shall not be infringed."
10 years ago my roommate couldn't find a summer job, so he took an internship programming computers for the pentagon. He told me their computer system was amazingly out of date and rudimentary. I knew what he meant, because when I had dealings with the INS, I went to speak to someone in their office, and it was piled from floor to shoulder height with file folders waiting to be filed. Things have changed, but not that much. Don't believe this news bite that recurs every so often saying the govt. can read all our e-mails and hear all our phone conversations. Google might be able to deal with a fraction of that load---but it is dynamic, ephemeral, and much trickier to capture and sort than info that is intended as public information. But Google are the only ones, and they aren't giving our govt. their proprietary search software. This news story is propaganda. A cheap crowd control move. Don't buy it!
Security is a two-way street; if I must reveal information to my government, my government must reveal information to me. Instead we have an administration that puts more information under lock and key than any other has by far. When they do leak sensitive data, it is for political advantage or revenge, not by accident. In any case, no one is ever punished for the leak.
This Mr. Kerr is so wrong. My personal information belongs to me; I think I could guard it better than either government or corporations. Governments abuse your trust in the name of security; corporations will abuse your trust in the name of increased sales. I have to decide, from one situation to the next, if I am willing to take a chance, or if I even have a choice.
Meanwhile the government is pushing a court case that is trying to prove we relinquish Fourth Amendment Rights just about anytime we go online via any commercial service (see clipped article and link below):
full article link: http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/456
E-mail privacy to disappear?
Mark Rasch, 2007-11-02
On October 8, 2007, the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth
Circuit in Cincinnati granted the government's request for a full-panel
hearing in United States v. Warshak case centering on the right of
privacy for stored electronic communications. At issue is whether the
procedure whereby the government can subpoena stored copies of your
e-mail -- similar to the way they could simply subpoena any physical
mail sitting on your desk -- is unconstitutionally broad.
So how do we deactivate RFID chips. It can't be too hard. All the electronic stuff I have bought breaks down right away.
This is duplicity of a high order. All Mr. Kerr is trying to do is to sanctify and extend what the USA, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand (UKUSA)have been doing with Echelon for decades -that is, intercepting communications for both traditional intelligence and also economic intelligence.
The basic principle, paradoxically, in a democracy is:
"Don't trust us, we are the government"
... That is why we give you the opportunity to correct us where you can, hold us accountable and revise your decision to be ruled by us every few years ...
This is just taking patriarchy a few steps further. Kerr raises some interesting points about Internet privacy, but coming from an official working for this particular administration, it all sounds just horrifying.
Did you notice that this guy talks out of the other side of his mouth? He and Cheney might be a mirrored pair.
shakker: Read my first post in this thread up higher. It links to a site where there is Open Source software AND hardware schematics to 'handle' the little devils, better than shutting them down actually. (much better, like the ability to send FALSE or PRERECORDED RFID signals, as well as jamming them in your vicinity, as well as the ability to eavesdrop and record any being read in your vicinity (assuming you're not jamming)). You might have to have a (very) geeky friend set it up for you, but if you're really concerned about RFID that site details the howitzer approach to RFID privacy.
Anyways, it's childishly simple to infer that when someone is highly concerned about their OWN privacy while trying to remove you of yours, they don't have your best interests in mind. Don't take it lying down.
I feel like I'm preaching to the choir though. :-) I love you guys.
:-D
Examine the way the Bill of Rights are laid out. You'll note that freedom of speech, assembly, right to bear arms, etc. are freedoms deliberately put out there to to guarantee self-determination and some degree of autonomy, to act as citizens counterweights to functions of government: assembly, army, etc.
What is the citizen's counterweight to massive data mining, to RFID, to surveillance cameras, to giving up freedoms when you engage in economic activity (and of course, they'd like to dimish civic/public space, and totally submerse everyone into a fascistic economic microcosm).
But the upshot, folks, is that government functions have grown immensely whereas citizen counterweights have not only lagged -- they are illegal. Joe Sixpacks can't just buy a bug/tap on the internet and install it on his local crooked politician's phone line to collect evidence, as a citizen investigator where the appropriate authorities have failed, aren't interested, etc. What sort of citizen spying is allowed as a counterweight to government spying on its citizenry?
I'm just waiting for the big national strike.. we need to hit these people where it really hurts, in their profits.
Everytime I read about a gas-out or for people to not shop at a particular store on a certain day I don't see much enthusiasm for it, but my thinking has changed. This is how MLK started his civil rights battles, by economically boycotting the bus service in Montgomery. Now maybe we should boycott our internet providers, or steal the signal, or do something to avoid paying for the destruction of our own privacy.
It felt good to text message my like-minded cousin in Ireland:
Amy Klobuchar SMD