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The Coup at Home
AS Gen. Pervez Musharraf arrested judges, lawyers and human-rights activists in Pakistan last week, our Senate was busy demonstrating its own civic mettle. Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein, liberal Democrats from America's two most highly populated blue states, gave the thumbs up to Michael B. Mukasey, ensuring his confirmation as attorney general.
So what if America's chief law enforcement official won't say that waterboarding is illegal? A state of emergency is a state of emergency. You're either willing to sacrifice principles to head off the next ticking bomb, or you're with the terrorists. Constitutional corners were cut in Washington in impressive synchronicity with General Musharraf's crackdown in Islamabad.
In the days since, the coup in Pakistan has been almost universally condemned as the climactic death knell for Bush foreign policy, the epitome of White House hypocrisy and incompetence. But that's not exactly news. It's been apparent for years that America was suicidal to go to war in Iraq, a country with no tie to 9/11 and no weapons of mass destruction, while showering billions of dollars on Pakistan, where terrorists and nuclear weapons proliferate under the protection of a con man who serves as a host to Osama bin Laden.
General Musharraf has always played our president for a fool and still does, with the vague promise of an election that he tossed the White House on Thursday. As if for sport, he has repeatedly mocked both Mr. Bush's "freedom agenda" and his post-9/11 doctrine that any country harboring terrorists will be "regarded by the United States as a hostile regime."
A memorable highlight of our special relationship with this prized "ally" came in September 2006, when the general turned up in Washington to kick off his book tour. Asked about the book by a reporter at a White House press conference, he said he was contractually "honor bound" to remain mum until it hit the stores - thus demonstrating that Simon & Schuster had more clout with him than the president. This didn't stop Mr. Bush from praising General Musharraf for his recently negotiated "truce" to prevent further Taliban inroads in northwestern Pakistan. When the Pakistani strongman "looks me in the eye" and says "there won't be a Taliban and won't be Al Qaeda," the president said, "I believe him."
Sooner than you could say "Putin," The Daily Telegraph of London reported that Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, had signed off on this "truce." Since then, the Pakistan frontier has become a more thriving terrorist haven than ever.
Now The Los Angeles Times reports that much of America's $10 billion-plus in aid to Pakistan has gone to buy conventional weaponry more suitable for striking India than capturing terrorists. To rub it in last week, General Musharraf released 25 pro-Taliban fighters in a prisoner exchange with a tribal commander the day after he suspended the constitution.
But there's another moral to draw from the Musharraf story, and it has to do with domestic policy, not foreign. The Pakistan mess, as The New York Times editorial page aptly named it, is not just another blot on our image abroad and another instance of our mismanagement of the war on Al Qaeda and the Taliban. It also casts a harsh light on the mess we have at home in America, a stain that will not be so easily eradicated.
In the six years of compromising our principles since 9/11, our democracy has so steadily been defined down that it now can resemble the supposedly aspiring democracies we've propped up in places like Islamabad. Time has taken its toll. We've become inured to democracy-lite. That's why a Mukasey can be elevated to power with bipartisan support and we barely shrug.
This is a signal difference from the Vietnam era, and not necessarily for the better. During that unpopular war, disaffected Americans took to the streets and sometimes broke laws in an angry assault on American governmental institutions. The Bush years have brought an even more effective assault on those institutions from within. While the public has not erupted in riots, the executive branch has subverted the rule of law in often secretive increments. The results amount to a quiet coup, ultimately more insidious than a blatant putsch like General Musharraf's.
More Machiavellian still, Mr. Bush has constantly told the world he's championing democracy even as he strangles it. Mr. Bush repeated the word "freedom" 27 times in roughly 20 minutes at his 2005 inauguration, and even presided over a "Celebration of Freedom" concert on the Ellipse hosted by Ryan Seacrest. It was an Orwellian exercise in branding, nothing more. The sole point was to give cover to our habitual practice of cozying up to despots (especially those who control the oil spigots) and to our own government's embrace of warrantless wiretapping and torture, among other policies that invert our values.
Even if Mr. Bush had the guts to condemn General Musharraf, there is no longer any moral high ground left for him to stand on. Quite the contrary. Rather than set a democratic example, our president has instead served as a model of unconstitutional behavior, eagerly emulated by his Pakistani acolyte.
Take the Musharraf assault on human-rights lawyers. Our president would not be so unsubtle as to jail them en masse. But earlier this year a senior Pentagon official, since departed, threatened America's major white-shoe law firms by implying that corporate clients should fire any firm whose partners volunteer to defend detainees in Guantánamo and elsewhere. For its part, Alberto Gonzales's Justice Department did not round up independent-minded United States attorneys and toss them in prison. It merely purged them without cause to serve Karl Rove's political agenda.
Tipping his hat in appreciation of Mr. Bush's example, General Musharraf justified his dismantling of Pakistan's Supreme Court with language mimicking the president's diatribes against activist judges. The Pakistani leader further echoed Mr. Bush by expressing a kinship with Abraham Lincoln, citing Lincoln's Civil War suspension of a prisoner's fundamental legal right to a hearing in court, habeas corpus, as a precedent for his own excesses. (That's like praising F.D.R. for setting up internment camps.) Actually, the Bush administration has outdone both Lincoln and Musharraf on this score: Last January, Mr. Gonzales testified before Congress that "there is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution."
To believe that this corruption will simply evaporate when the Bush presidency is done is to underestimate the permanent erosion inflicted over the past six years. What was once shocking and unacceptable in America has now been internalized as the new normal.
This is most apparent in the Republican presidential race, where most of the candidates seem to be running for dictator and make no apologies for it. They're falling over each other to expand Gitmo, see who can promise the most torture and abridge the largest number of constitutional rights. The front-runner, Rudy Giuliani, boasts a proven record in extralegal executive power grabs, Musharraf-style: After 9/11 he tried to mount a coup, floating the idea that he stay on as mayor in defiance of New York's term-limits law.
What makes the Democrats' Mukasey cave-in so depressing is that it shows how far even exemplary sticklers for the law like Senators Feinstein and Schumer have lowered democracy's bar. When they argued that Mr. Mukasey should be confirmed because he's not as horrifying as Mr. Gonzales or as the acting attorney general who might get the job otherwise, they sounded whipped. After all these years of Bush-Cheney torture, they'll say things they know are false just to move on.
In a Times OpEd article justifying his reluctant vote to confirm a man Dick Cheney promised would make "an outstanding attorney general," Mr. Schumer observed that waterboarding is already "illegal under current laws and conventions." But then he vowed to support a new bill "explicitly" making waterboarding illegal because Mr. Mukasey pledged to enforce it. Whatever. Even if Congress were to pass such legislation, Mr. Bush would veto it, and even if the veto were by some miracle overturned, Mr. Bush would void the law with a "signing statement." That's what he effectively did in 2005 when he signed a bill that its authors thought outlawed the torture of detainees.
That Mr. Schumer is willing to employ blatant Catch-22 illogic to pretend that Mr. Mukasey's pledge on waterboarding has any force shows what pathetic crumbs the Democrats will settle for after all these years of being beaten down. The judges and lawyers challenging General Musharraf have more fight left in them than this.
Last weekend a new Washington Post-ABC News poll found that the Democratic-controlled Congress and Mr. Bush are both roundly despised throughout the land, and that only 24 percent of Americans believe their country is on the right track. That's almost as low as the United States' rock-bottom approval ratings in the latest Pew surveys of Pakistan (15 percent) and Turkey (9 percent).
Wrong track is a euphemism. We are a people in clinical depression. Americans know that the ideals that once set our nation apart from the world have been vandalized, and no matter which party they belong to, they do not see a restoration anytime soon.
Frank Rich is a journalist, author, and writes a regular column for The New York Times.
© 2007 The New York Times
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Show AllWell ain't that Rich!
Coming three years after, your newspaper, withheld the story that we were being spied on, that could have turned an election, and possibly halted our continuing spiral into "coupdom".
All I have to say is - Your article is much too little way too late. Your newspaper causes depression - Now please pass the lithium.
Ramsay
Helix, sadly, you are right.
I remember the intense excitement of national conventions when the choosing of the party candidates was up in the air. If a choice wasn't made on the first vote, delegates were released from their pledges and then things really cut loose. Then, it still felt like a democracy.
Bush has been conducting an ongoing coup since he took over the White House. But our mainstream media, including the NYT, have been pretending that Bush is just doing his job. They pretend just like Schumer is doing. Pretending is what Americans do best.
Hoa binh
It is said that the people get the government they deserve. We sure must be a big bunch of losers if the government we now have is the one we deserve. It almost makes you wish that our first Revolutionary War had been lost. Maybe it will take a another revolution to correct things. Don't hold your breath waiting for our "representatives" in Washington to take care of business.
Many of our people have come to resemble the toad that is put in warm water and then the heat is increased gradually to the boiling point. By the time the toad realizes that he better jump out, he is unable to, as he just got boiled. How much does it take for the citizens of America to realize the water is getting very close to the boiling point and there is little time to turn our country around to save our democracy and our honored principles that made us a great Nation? Thanks, Frank, for a good article.
The Democrats have not been beaten down. They are fully complicit in the "new normal". Which, by the way, is not so new. America has committed atrocities often in its past--the Indian Wars, the Phillipines and of course Vietnam. And that's reckoning without deliberate fire-bombing of whole cities in WWII. If memory serves rightly, our troops used waterboarding against Filipino insurgents. What's new is that presidential candidates are now flaunting war crimes as a good thing.
I grew up a New Deal Democrat and will likely vote Green in 2008 because I can't stomach any of the presidential front runners, especially Hillary Clinton. Yes, one now has to move to the left fringe to support the Constitution. Or I might vote Republican if the incredible happens, and isolationist libertarian Ron Paul gets nominated.
The Democrats lack courage, intelligence, and commitment to democracy, values necessary to fight Bush and his friends.
The Republicans simply lack morals and ethics that would lift them out of the sleaze and corruption and pretension to tyranny that they value so highly.
That leaves the people to remove a criminal regime from office.
And that is utterly laughable. The people can't drag themselves away from American Idol or their Wal-Mart store long enough to actually think about any of this, much less get out in the street and do anything. Given the dumbed down, and getting dumber, educational system, it's surprising any of them can think enough to actually find their way to Wal-Mart or operate a television remote control. Those people in the street in Pakistan are admirable and courageous. Americans are pathetic, ignorant, and flat out stupid. They won't get off their fat asses to fight back when they're being crushed by their own government, its corporate whores and murderers, and its religious tyrannists. They're more concerned with convincing themselves that fat is beautiful than with doing the work to understand that freedom, democracy, and liberty are beautiful and have to be fought for.
Americans deserve that little piece of crap in the White House and all the foul things he brings down on their heads. If you won't fight you get kicked to death.
I agree with Frank Rich's assessment both of the Bush administration and of the Democratic "opposition."
But Rich's account of Charles Schumer's contemptible response to the Mukasey nomination did not address what I found most frightening in Schumer's NYTimes op-ed.
Schumer wrote in his "defense" of his decision to vote to confirm Michael B. Mukasey as Attorney General of the United States: "I am voting to support Michael B. Mukasey for attorney general for one critical reason: the Department of Justice is in desperate need of a strong leader."
Last month I spent a good bit of time over four days in Berlin looking at photos and reading narratives about events in Germany in the 1920's.
It was a chilling experience, not least because of the haunting similarities between the Reichstag's abdication of authority to the executive and our current Congress.
But nothing has created so chilling a connection for me between events then, in Germany, and here now, in the US, than that one sentence from Schumer. It is horrifying to contemplate a United States senator with so little knowledge of history -- or of human nature -- as is required to make that statement. Schumer's is the most appalling statement I've heard yet from a Democrat or Lieberman (and Lieberman, Clinton and others have set the bar pretty high for most appalling honors). Hector
here in olympia, wa. where war protesters have been battling police for days virtually ignored by national media (see theolympian.com for sun., nov. 11), it looks as if the Great Experiment in democracy is coming to a close. ten or 20 years from now, will we be talking about how we pulled back from the brink of disaster, or will we be too terrified to say anything at all? or will we no longer exist to talk about it?
ricg November 11th, 2007 1:24 pm.
In his post above ricg has defined the problem, it's public apathy. It's like the old movie "roller ball" where the public is under the thumb of the Government. The Government keeps them in line with free drugs (think consumerism and T.V.) and the need for revolution is satisfied with the violent sport spectacle of rollerball (think NFL and Americans hyper-fascination with sports in general). History was revised to make total government control to be the logical choice.
Yes, rollerball is now reality.
Frank Rich,
Thank you for this succinct, articulate piece. It concisely summarizes the current political quagmire that only seems to get deeper as the days pass.
ricg,
I must agree with much of what you said. However, I would be careful to exclude those Americans who did not vote for Bush and early recognized the sinking Titanic while everyone else argued about the color and arrangement of the deck chairs.
The Coup at Home
Good title Frank Rich..now if we can only get people off their arses to do something about that!
We are a people in clinical depression. Americans know that the ideals that once set our nation apart from the world have been vandalized, and no matter which party they belong to, they do not see a restoration anytime soon.
Interesting and accurate observation. I assume by "which party" he's referring to the two sides of the corporate party. It's not just the ideals that have been vandalozed, but also our wallets. Unfortunately I believe it will take a financial disaster for Americans to insist on change. By the signs, it's coming. Not just the economic indicators, but the increasing greed of the ruling class. Why shouldn't they think there's no limit to what they can steal from us? There hasn't been so far.
this article seems to imply that Pakistan should be helping us make war on the Taliban. The only way to deal with groups like the Taliban is to end our occupation of the ME.
ricg says a mouthful. Most of it accurate. But I wouldn't blame the American people. The overwhelmingly want a change in their government. It's our elected officials that deserve the blame. If we had true representation there would have been an end to the war by now. American people are more victims than bad-guys. The real bad guys are all the political whores in D.C. We need to change the Kingdom, not just the King.
Hoa binh
"Good title Frank Rich..now if we can only get people off their arses to do something about that!"
I'm off my arse - what about you dcbeltway? No better place to start than with our own arses!
What was Mr. Schumer thinking? A jelly fish would have made a better Attorney General than Gonzolas. According to Gonzolas' own testimony he not only didn't do anything while AG but couldn't remember not doing anything. I would call that Brain Dead in a suit. Do members of Congress ever read the background of these persons appointed to the top positions in government? Mr. Mukasey's background would have given the Dem's a 'clue' as to whether or not he would be independent and uphold the Constitution. My reaction to the job that the Dems have been doing is to back away and not vote, but then by not voting I would be just sealing my own acceptance of the coup as Mr. Rich so clearly points out.
I do not agree that we who "know better" should sit around blaming the rest of the population for their apathy. People are waking up, and it is nearly a miracle considering the extremely effective propaganda effort put forth by those in ownership of the MSM. It's not simply the lies and distortions that pass for news, but the clever inclusion of distractions (circus) in what passes for news these days.
Our food is junk, our nearly universally available entertainment is junk, and when you couple that with what has to be methods of mind control that have been improved and implemented, it is amazing that anyone still gets it, and knows to resist. And believe it or not, many of those you write off are working two and three jobs just to keep the wolf from the door, which makes it abit of a challenge to spend several hours a day online catching up with the truth.
Don't give up on the American people, because you as in essence giving up on yourselves as well. "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." How relevant today are all the old cliques.
since1492 -
You say "Bush has been conducting an ongoing coup since he took over the White House". I have to disagree -you're too kind. The coup began BEFORE the Bushies took control of the White House - that's how they got control in the first place. Remember Florida in 2000? And the Dems just let them do it.
The effects of what they put in our water in 1999 is beginning to wear off, if slowly. Question is - are those who've been in a stupor coming out of it soon enough for us to stop the madness, or has its effects lasted as long as they expected them too in order to put their plans in place?
Glad to see the NYT admit that we've had a coup. As for the Dims, they are not "beaten down." They are the friggin' majority. The fact is that they are part of the monstrosity and not it opposition.
The republic is dead. You're either one of them or your a dissident. The time for delusional politics has passed.
No mention of Dr. Ron Paul in the article. Hmm...
His popularity is shocking both the corporate right and left.
I have spoken to quite a few potential voters (they have never bothered to vote before) who see that the rest of the candidates on both sides are not in touch with the "We the people" movement.
These are people of all colors, religion and political views who see Ron Paul as the only hope before the next assault on our freedoms and the loss of a once great republic.
Please wake up and educate yourselves to the reality that is here and now.
Turn off the TV, read the positions of all the candidates and then and only then make an educated choice even if it is not Ron Paul. Every individual should have a say and we should respectfully accept each others honest opinions, left or right.
Frank Rich excellent Article..right on the money..What frightens me, is how ill informed, dissociated, impotent and docile average Americans have become. In response to; "...we are a people in clinical depression..." No small wonder, considering the powerful Psych Ops being conducted conspiratorially by MSM [heck-of-a-job Murdock you little bottom feeder]
Didn't the Mukasey confirmation vote go something like this? 40 Democrats voted against. All Republicans voted in favor. 6 Democrats voted in favor. What's so embarrassing for Democrats about that? You expect lock step?
All that's wrong is that we don't have about 65 Democrats in the Senate and another one as President.
THAT'S ALL THAT'S WRONG. No Bush type, no Mukasey. No Bush type, no Gonzales, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz types, either.
It's simple to fix in 2008, and almost the entire think tank of CD commenters seems stupefied. Frank Rich, the author, says "we are a people in a clinical depression." Must be true. We're just depressed, dumb, helpless, hapless,---so much so we can't simply plan to think and vote ourselves right out of the mess we've been in for seven years. Is it depression, or is it we're addicted to griping? I'd bet on the latter.
PS: Murdock has been quietly and clandestinely conducting a war of his own over the last 30 years. A war against legitimate journalistic principles and practices. Carefully subverting truth in journalism to more politically subservient form of journalistic vandalism for his 'neocon cabal' clique.
ricg, I can understand that most Americans care more about the lottery, celeberty moms, and American Idol than poverty and dimminshing liberties, but to call us dumb I think is an understatement. I spend more time on gaming, movies, and net surfing than protesting, but I am at least aware of the troubles that plague us. In fact, popular culture for me is a sort of anti-depressent drug to ease the agony of seeing our country being flushed down the toliet.
If everyone was at least aware of the chaos in this country, it would sure help a lot. It may not bring instant change, but maybe people would think outisde the TV or magazines. Ironically, our entertainment might very well save us. When Americans see the chances of having a luxurious life slip or their world becomes similar to the oppression by government in movies, they might wake up.
Bush and Cheney are classic examples of sociopaths while Rumsfeld was more of a blatant psychopath. We the people have enabled these monsters in their quest for power. Remember the book "Friendly Fascism" which was published some years back? That is what we have now in the United States. On the surface things run pretty smoothly for most of us on a day to day basis so we don't make waves. And we are kept distracted by the contemporary version of bread and circuses. But those in power have been busy putting in place the framework for a full-fledged fascist state which they will quickly transition to following the coming terror attacks and financial meltdown.
Daniel___What is wrong is that whether the Repos are in majority or minority they still get everything their way. Lock step is not good, but for the Robotic party, it has certainly worked. Of course they are ruining their own country, but robots have no brains, so they are not aware of that. On the other hand, trying to corral a bunch of Dems is like chasing chickens back into the pen after they escaped.
GlobalFriend---great post and another layer of understanding. We need to understand the situation fully before we can figure out the most effective/efficient ways to free the nation's mass consciousness from its bondage. No one will ever convince me that this is the way we,the people, choose to spend the rest of our days. We are so much more creative than that.
I like the possibility that the entertainment piece can do in part, what is missing.
Republicans are the problem!
Democrats are NOT the Solution!!
Revolution is the Solution!!!
What event will come when we all give up the Democrats?
What will be the instance we realize that they are playing us all for fools?
They have yet to take and KEEP a principled stand to save this country from turning into a fascist state.
Will it be once they come for you at your own door, will you realize then that this was just a puppet show?
The pieces and pens are almost complete and the boots are about laced up. The constitution has made into confetti and the bill of rights into a stand-up routine.
Our beloved words of Liberty, Freedom and Justice held hostage by hungry politicians who serve their party leaders and corporate donors rather than The America People and The Constitution.
It makes you wonder why this cesspool of a newspaper, The New York Times, keeps trying to influence the daftest of their readers into believing that all of the U.S.'s current troubles are linked to the present "George Bush" administration.
How can a coup coup their own coup? This nonsense isn't even a story, so why are those scumbags giving it so much coverage? Could it be that all of the rhetoric against Iran is just a dodge and the real target is to attack Pakistan so they can have their next war on China's doorstep? Like they did with Korea and Vietnam?
since1492-
It's not that Americans have not expressed a desire for change, although that's not quite so easy to make a case for. The 2006 Democratic majorities are slim at best. Polls are hardly an expression of will, or even truth.
No, the problem is that the people do not demand change, do not demand it with the fire and fervor of the Republican traitors to the Constitution and rule of law, do not pour outrage on their legislators daily, in the streets, in the newspapers, on the phone, in their offices. Americans just say la-de-da and oh well it'll all work out. Most of them are not willing to educate themselves on political matters, or to seek out facts and evidence. Sound bites are good enough. Good looks are good enough. Lies and half-truths are good enough.
Too many people have bled and died for this democracy for hundreds of years. For thousands of years too many people yearned and fought and died for what we have before we, Americans, created it.
Now we hold those yearnings and those deaths cheaply. We demean them and dishonor them. We shame ourselves with ignorance and cowardice and laziness. We allow the worst of us to desecrate and destroy what millions gave their lives for.
The American people will not fight for their freedom, for their liberty, for their democracy, but they will wail and whine and cry mercy when what they have allowed to exist slams its boot into their necks.
GlobalFriend and Star of the Sea: I can't believe the sentiment you are promoting: entertainment TV as salvation? The crap that is "entertainment" TV in no way will ever lead any viewer to an awareness of what is going on in the world, in our country, or in our communities. Unless Oprah somehow threw all caution (and any future in corporate TVland) to the wind and told her audience that it is all hogwash and they need to rise up and change our government, demand universal healthcare, demand honest, unrigged elections, demand an absolute end to lobbyists, etc, etc. And, the audience would then need to get an education to be made aware of the loss of constitutional guarantees, that private insurance companies own our access to healthcare, that corporate interests own our legislative, executive and judicial branches (and our media) . . . . Oh, never mind. It is more than anyone could hope for. It is far more likely that the asteroid Apophis will wipe out our planet on its next approach. Didn't you know about Apophis? Well, you've been watching too much "entertainment" TV.
I'm so sick of hearing Democrats and Republicans
in congress have subverted governement with it's
complicity to the White House.
Please if you are to state something like that
qualify it with MOST or GENERALLY.
Look at Dennis Kucinich's Congressional voting
record. Look at Ron Paul's Congressioal voting
record.
Yeah those two are our shining stars. Don't
indict them in the war crimes.
Delusion & Diversion!
The first real democracy in this world was inaugurated on January 1, 1959.
You can't possibly mean Cuba. What other democracy started on this date?
Bush has, with the gleeful complicity of Congress, arrogated to himself the same powers as Musharraf. He, Cheney and Rice seem intent on restarting the Cold War by provoking Russia, so we'll have a two-front war against the Russians and the Muslims.
Which countries in the world permit all of their representatives to be chosen by the people from amongst their own neighbors who they personally know to be the most honest and competent? Only that type of electoral system will guarantee that the best people in any society will represent the whole of the citizenry. The first country in the world to institute such a system was Cuba. Other countries, such as Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Nicaragua are currently moving towards that goal with their inaugurating of constituent assemblies.
Oh, I was going to add before I had to get up and get another glass of wine, democracy means nothing in the way it is employed in the U.S. or any other capitalist society. The term "democracy" is used by the imperialists in the same way that they use "religion", which means that they brandish it like any other weapon or ensign for the populace to fawn over while it means absolutely nothing to any of that scum which makes up the actual gang.
I do every bit of my part, the part of those that refuse to take responsibilty, and take Bullsh@t from, whatever mnemonic he uses, ricg, if I remember correctly, your mouth is that of a fish out of water, moving all of the time and rhetoric from any lazy, no action, finger pointing useless pig.
American Idol, Wal Mart, fat asses? I wonder where your land 'o dreams is, it certainly is not in this country. Is it, per chance, The Republic Of Utopia? You dare to accuse me of crying when it does not go my way? I cry for the murdered military and civilian, alike. I am an activist, I am aware of bills, resolutions, special committees and call, email, meet, as often as it needs to be done. 7 times a day, 16 times a day I make that choice to drive them mad with my repetative calls. I protest, I demand to be represented by person's worthy of doing , what I as a CITIZEN, deem worthy of that name, Representative.
What is it that makes you privy to all in this country and what we have been trying to do to get rid of the criminals that lead this country? What, all knowing, non-citizen? Piss and moan, blame all your woes on US, the citizen's that spend 18 hours a day trying to stop this?
I find your old style euro-view with a B/W flick, starring John Wayne, that develops your ever less than truthful commentary in regards to my action's and the many like myself.
Me thinkst thou doth protest too much, and you are truly pissing me off, generalization's and innuendo due to the fact your own place of birth is FU and lay it on people that spend day and night trying to end it in their own country with force, determination and action's?
DO SOMETHING, or STFU, nothing will stifle me, or keep me from doing what I do.
I do not recall the person who spoke of the great blend of races, religion's, genders that go to Ron Paul's happening's. They set up at our tribute to all military and civilian death in Philadelphia, where our permit was issued and nary a one showed a second of tribute to these people murdered, military and civilian alike, for absolutely no reason. Philly is a blend of everyone, Ron Paul's shindig, most white people in one place at one time I had ever born witness to in philly. He is only one thing, pro-peace, every other is anti- anti- anti-. Anti-choice, so every evangelical and catholic will vote Paul. Pro-gun, shame on him!
AlexLawyer November 11th, 2007 8:21 pm
Exactly... and check out the link from the person who the Kucinich interview video.
The administration and neosonsare looking at what happened in Myanmar, and what's happening in Pakistan as a guide for what they plan to do.
Something is happeneing and/or is going to happen. Economic recession, environmental disaster, false flag, terrorist attack etc- probably a combination of any of those. Something is going to happen, and they are bracing for it because they know it's them who the people will blame, and rightly so.
Jmacneil agreed this is why "democracy" has become a dirty word in the Middle East and the people of the region no longer trust that word given how it was utilized in the failed political and economic reconstruction of Iraq. Its really sad because true democracy is something that would benefit the region and certainly us here at home in the good ol' USA under our own petty constitution and civil liberties destroying despots.
Oh I forgot to add our water-boarding pro-torture despots.
As is Obvious this is the Big Time on this Earth, etc For those of you not
aware of the astoundingly accurate predictions concerning this Now moment;
The US and our global police role and the ongoing human war machine and it's
seemingly inevitable Cosmic climax–from the Pleiadeans via Billy Meier called
the HENOCH PROPHECIES check this out:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Henoch%20Prophecies.html
"So many of the Plejaren predictions given to Swiss contactee Billy Meier have come true, that we'd be wise to heed the warning that terrible things will befall humanity and our planet if we can't learn to live together".
Wow! Doesn't the CIA have anything better to do? I guess since those scumbag terrorists Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch are aging in Florida it is difficult to find anyone to carry the banner.
ricg November 11th, 2007 1:24 pm
"And that is utterly laughable. The people can't drag themselves away from American Idol or their Wal-Mart store long enough to actually think about any of this, much less get out in the street and do anything."
The number of people who post here or even just read without posting is a miniscule portion of the population percentage wise, yet 70% of the population thinks the country is going in the wrong direction. That to me indicates that people are aware and not glued to their tv sets or addicted to shopping at Wal-Mart nearly as much as you seem to think.
No, the real battle now isn't making people aware. The real battle is to get them to go to the polls and vote rather than stay home in protest because they are disgusted or disheartened. The real battle also is convincing them that voting Democratic will not bring about the real change that they seek, as Daniel David well knows, which is why he spends so much time here trying to convince anyone who will listen otherwise.
Lobo Gris
Gee, Daniel, I don't expect lockstep. I expect opposition instead of complicity.
Where were the Democratic standard-bearers on this one? Faster than you can say "torture is bad," they ducked an abstained.
I'm sorry that the Republican agenda is good enough for you. An actual opposition party wouldn't let it happen. This was amply demonstrated during the Clinton presidency by the sheer number of judicial appointments that went unfilled.
O roe -
I'm going to guess that English isn't something you're comfortable with, given the incoherence and generally poor expression in your post. But having waded through, I noted a few things.
One is that you assume I am not an American. I am, from birth.
Another is that you took my post personally. I don't know who you are, nor do I care overmuch. You also failed to note that I put 'most' people into the focus of my attack, not 'all', and certainly not you.
You are, if I read your ranting correctly, someone who does take seriously the urgent need to act against the current regime. I applaud and admire your passion and your activism.
I do the things that I can, and one of those is to speak truth as passionately and skillfully as I can to whoever will listen. I read and study these things, these events of our time. I do what I can. Some can do more, some can do less; too many choose to do nothing, to say nothing, and my attacks aim at them. Call it rhetoric, call it propaganda, call it what you will. I write what I feel, what I think, and what I see. I don't get it right always, but I will not stop. It's what I do best against these times.
You accuse me of standing afar and criticizing. Not so. I am here, in Massachusetts, not hiding behind cutesy names. I blog openly at Grumpy Lion. My identity is hardly a secret for anyone who wants to look. I was tear gassed in the Sixties. I marched in Washington. I was arrested at Lexington Green, marching with Vietnam Vets Against The War (I am not a vet). I'm not some naive bystander.
And finally, a suggestion for you. If your petitions, written or spoken, as as poorly expressed as your post here, then you are doing your cause harm. Passion and action are good, but passion and action clearly and powerfully expressed are infinitely better. Whether English is a second language for you, or whether you are a product of one of too many abysmal American schools, get a book on basic writing and study the hell out of it. And I suggest picking up a good text on critical thinking to help clarify your writing. Passion is a great tool, and this country needs, requires, more of it on the side of democracy and the good, but passion is no good unless focused through the lens of clear action and powerful expression.
Lotsa luck with all that.
Ric Gerace
Grumpy Lion
And by the way, O roe, I can't stand John Wayne.