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75 Years Ago FDR Read the Results Right, and Took a Left Turn
Seventy-five years ago today, the American people rejected not just a president -- Herbert Hoover -- but a royalist vision of federal policymaking that had allowed tens of millions of citizens to suffer as the Great Depression swept across the land.
The election of November 8, 1932, is now generally accepted as one of the great realigning moments in U.S. politics, the point at which the country took the great leap forward from a past that favored limited federal and state involvement in economic affairs -- except where it came to securing the interests of the wealthy -- and embraced a more humane and democratic approach to governing.
To be sure, that approach has been under assault in recent decades. Yet, Social Security remains, as does the the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and the Fair Labor Standards Act and the minimum wage. Those of us with roots in small-town America still enjoy the benefits of Rural Electrification. And Americans of every region, race and religion retain at least a few of the liberties that were defined and protected by Roosevelt-nominated Supreme Court Justices William O. Douglas, Hugo Black and Felix Frankfurter. There's still a Securities and Exchange Commission, which sometimes does its job, and a Federal Communications Commission, which could yet be redeemed by the appointment of a new chairman.
The agent of these reforms -- and the fundamental shift in the American experience they embodied -- was Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Democrat who displaced Republican Hoover. But it is important to remember that Roosevelt, the most patrician of our nation's many patrician politicians, did not compete in the 1932 election as the radical reformer that he became. The Democratic platform of that year was a cautious document, dictated by fear itself rather than the boldness that would later be associated with Roosevelt.
What made Roosevelt so remarkable, and so radical?
The results that were tabulated 75 years ago this evening influenced FDR to evolve his policies in a direction that was more egalitarian and democratic -- his critics still use the term "socialistic," and they are not entirely wrong. It was that evolution that redefined not just American politics but America.
Roosevelt won a stunning victory in 1932. He secured 57.4 percent of the popular vote, as compared with just 39.7 percent for Hoover. The Democrat carried 42 states, most by wide margins, while the Republican won just 6.
But those numbers do not begin to tell the whole story of what happened on that distant November 8. Roosevelt's popular vote total of 22,821,277 was 52 percent higher than that received by Al Smith, the Democratic nominee in the election of four years earlier. The Roosevelt landslide was sufficient to create a coat-tail effect that dramatically increased a narrow Democratic majority in the House of Representatives and gave the party control of the Senate.
A total of 97 new Democrats were elected to the House, most of them young and left-leaning. Their numbers were augmented by five members of the Minnesota Farmer-Labor Party, who made no apologies for their radicalism. Thus, 73 percent of the seats in the House (313 out of 435) were held by members who had been elected on pledges to alter the economic equation to favor Main Street over Wall Street. Even some Republicans, especially from New York state and the upper Midwest, espoused a progressive vision that was to the left of what Roosevelt advocated while campaigning in 1932.
Nine Republican senators were defeated that year by the Democrats, who also won three open seats. This shifted control of the chamber from 48-47 Republican to 59-36 Democratic with one Farmer-Laborite. A half dozen "insurgent" Republican senators stood with Roosevelt or to his left on economic issues.
The congressional majorities would free Roosevelt to move steadily to the left, knowing that if he did not make the shift Congress would force his hand on a host of relief measures and related economic initiatives. And Roosevelt was inclined to move. It was not just the size of the Democratic landslide that influenced him. It was the clear evidence that many American voters were looking to the left of new president and his party for responses to the economic crisis.
On November 8, 1932, more than a million Americans -- almost three percent of the electorate -- cast ballots for presidential candidates who proposed far more radical changes than "a new deal." Socialist Norman Thomas won 884,885 votes, for a 230 percent improvement in his party's total. Communist William Z. Foster won 103,307 votes, for a 112 percent increase in his party's total -- and its best finish ever in a presidential race. And southern populist William Hope Harvey, who had helped manage Democratic populist William Jennings Bryan's 1896 presidential campaign, secured another 53,425 votes.
Roosevelt was conscious of the fact that, in a number of states outside the south, the combined vote for the Socialists and Communists edged toward 5 percent of the total. Shortly after the election, the president-elect met with Thomas, a former associate editor of The Nation, and Henry Rosner, a frequent contributor to The magazine who had authored the Socialist Party's detailed 1932 platform and who would go on to be a key aide of New York Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia.
The new president did not adopt the whole of the Socialist platform. But, as historian Paul Berman observed, "President Franklin D. Roosevelt lifted ideas from the likes of Norman Thomas and proclaimed liberal democratic goals for everyone around the world..." FDR's borrowing of ideas about Social Security, unemployment compensation, jobs programs and agricultural assistance from the Socialists was sufficient to pull voters who had rejected the Democrats in 1932 into the New Deal Coalition that would sweep the congressional elections of 1934 and reelect the president with 61 percent of the popular vote and 523 of 531 electoral votes in 1936 -- the largest Electoral College win in the history of two-party politics.
As for Norman Thomas, he ran again in 1936, conducting what Time magazine would refer to as "a more civilized and enlightened campaign than any other candidate." But he amassed only 187,910 votes, for 0.4 percent of the total.
Thomas would joke that, "Roosevelt did not carry out the Socialist platform, unless he carried it out on a stretcher." That was a slightly bitter variation on the old Socialist's acknowledgment that FDR had read the results of the 1932 election right.
That process began 75 years ago this evening, when Franklin Roosevelt recognized that, while Americans had chosen him as their president, they signaled their intention that America should turn left.
John Nichols is a co-founder of Free Press and the co-author with Robert W. McChesney of TRAGEDY & FARCE: How the American Media Sell Wars, Spin Elections, and Destroy Democracy — The New Press.
© 2007 The Nation
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Show AllThose were heady times...
When I read such ideologically confused remarks like calls for a "Kucinich-Paul" ticket, I despair that even a economic depression twice as bad as back then could put us back on track...
I'm not an historian on that era, but I worry that FDR's "left" direction has been exaggerated.
There is a tremendous difference for nationalizing industries versus writing huge checks to private contractors. The former is the stuff of socialism, the latter trends toward fascism -- automatic corruption since the relationship between certain well-connected contractors and their connections in government become slushy. The rise of the military industrial complex, government bailouts of crooked industries (S&L), etc.
In some cases, arguably, the American way is worse than either capitalism or socialism. I'm not even sure what to call it, but I think "capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich" may describe it fairly well. Public subsidy of the costlier aspects of private enterprise, public bailout of private corruption, etc. The middle- and working-class are asked to bail out the corrupt class.
We'll need to not merely harken back to FDR. We'll need to do much better.
Rockin', PJD.
That the move was correct is proved by us longing for the good old days, and bemoaning the current direction of our country at the hands of greedy politicians and businessmen. The breaks were put on this left-turn right after WW2 and we have been turning right, and going down hill, ever since.
Hoa binh
Paul,
Giving money away to private contractors was more of Hoover's idea. He tried to stimulate business to fix the depression. Some people claim he did nothing, but I have read history that says it was more like the 80s approach of giving money to contractors and loan guarantees and things that ended up enriching a few at the expense of the treasury.
FDR brought in the WPA, the CCC, and the NRA.
The Works Progress Administration, while it didn't reach the size it should have, was pure/simple socialism. Have the government hire the unemployed back to their jobs, from writers to builders to doctors. It was so socialist that frightened Republicans passed the Hatch act to dilute its political power.
The CCC was similarly socialist, on the idea that if people can't find jobs, they can at least be doing productive things like building trails, campsites and lookout towers throughout the wilderness.
The NRA attempted to voluntarily socialize business, providing counterbalancing price protections to employers so that they would feel comfortable with wage and hour provisions for employees. It was, apparently, unconstitutional.
These three programs sound very socialist to me. They're far left of the visible spectrum of opinion today.
Well students of history, I don't care what label you or the press or the 1 & 1/4 parties put on it, it worked & pulled our country out of the depression and won us a war. I know; I lived through it.
I see no one of FDR's stature on the horizon. Just a bunch of Herbert Hoover mentalities and their look-alikes.
If it had not been for FDR and his popularity with the masses and his political acumen, we may have reached the current state of fascism in the 30's and joined the Third Reich (as we almost did anyway.) He at least deferred this for 70+ years.
The economy is certainly poised to present the same choices to the citizenry.
In 1932, there was no central control of funding & "message", and so the Democrats elected were true representatives, not Pelosian and Emanuelite aristocrats telling the people to behave themselves and accept the wise dictates of their Leaders.
Those elected were also fearless in denouncing Republicans for their malfeasance, while the ones currently in office are the creatures of triangulating Consultants, who are constantly told that Americans want "strength" and "security".
Following FDR's death, under Harry Truman, the Democrats moved securely into the imperial camp, and were always eager to appear "tough on communism" -- with the Korean & Vietnam wars as consequence.
The citizens have to get rid of the consultants & the corporate moneymen if they intend to create an authentically democratic Democratic Party.
Good responses to Mr. Bramscher's remarks. Young people need to understand that government wasn't always so absolutely, cynically, pro-corporate as it it today.
And. the New Deal was most decidedly NOT an outsourcing program...
When I was in school, I recall that FDR's programs were as impotant part of our history lesons as knowing who Lincoln was. Then there was the TV series "The Waltons" - the "NRA - we Do Our Part" sign proudly displayed on what's-his-name's General Store.
Excuse the digresson, but can anyone even imagine a TV program like "The Waltons" on TV today? (or for taht matter, the cutting, totally un self-censored political satire on "Saturday Night Live"). But, those were the Carter years, the last administration that at least partly understood who government works for. We wouldn't be facing the triple threats of climate catastrople, peak oil and oil war if we had continued Carter's programs.
He gave just enough Socialism to placate the people and prevent a Socialist revolution from occuring in this country. You have to remember that FDR WAS a member of the elite class.
r06ue,
I very much agree with your point - the New Deal WAS about undercutting full-blown socialist revolution.
But, that is how progressive social change works - they make some concesions to your demands even (maddengly giving themselves credit) - which should lead to new demands, new concessions...
Paul Bramscher:
To me the current US model looks like something I call neofeudalism. It's like old feudalism except the serfs have to compete for the privilege. There is some mobility in the upper 'noble' ranks as well, but not nearly as much of a rollercoaster ride as there is down here in the dregs.
At least, that's who I've seen it for the past couple of years. It seems to be gaining a more solid form too, like the trend of even renaming public offices in the corporate mold, for example, C(E, I, whatever letter)Os of school districts.
I could go on and on, but I've got 4 young boys to deal with, so I'm a bit pressed for time. Just thought I'd toss in my $0.02.
Call up the craftsmen
Bring me the draftsmen
Build me a path from cradle to grave
And I'll give my consent
To any government
That does not deny a man a living wage...
from Billy Bragg's "Between the Wars"
r06ue1 and PJD, it is ironic, considering that FDR was condemned by the wealthy as a 'traitor to his class,' and they even tried to replace him by a violent overthrow of his government (thanks to Gen. Smedley Butler, it didn't work), that he actually saved the bacon of the rich in the 1930s. I've talked to people who lived the Great Depression -- the working and middle-class was restive and ready for revolt. By introducing mildly socialistic programs such as the CCC, WPA, et al, Roosevelt put people back to work, and rebuilt a crumbling infrastructure at the same time. FDR was so idolized by the average person at the time that it was common to see the round "Coca-Cola" style tin signs with his portrait hanging in bungalows and apartments around the nation. (I have one in my hallway, salvaged from a junkshop.)
Any Dem presidential candidate who would like to replicate FDR's performance in 2008 -- the country is primed for it as our economy tanks -- should simply repeat the platform of Roosevelt spoken in 1944, while the country was in the midst of WWII:
Franklin D. Roosevelt
"The Economic Bill of Rights"
Excerpted from 11 January 1944 message to Congress on the State of the Union:
It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.
This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.
As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. "Necessitous men are not free men." People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.
Among these are:
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.
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source: The Public Papers & Addresses of Franklin D. Roosevelt (Samuel Rosenman, ed.), Vol XIII (NY: Harper, 1950), 40-42
12 How. 152: "Necessitous men," says the Lord Chancellor, in Vernon v Bethell, 2 Eden 113 (1762), "are not, truly speaking, free men; but, to answer a present emergency, will submit to any terms that the crafty may impose on them."
PJD. Paul Bramscher, Crumudgeon99, and others:
To understand how much FDR meant, I sugggest that you go to:
http://millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/digitalarchive/speechDetail/24
and listen to FDR's first innaugural address. It important that you hear the speech rather than just read the transcript because when you listen you hear FDR's New York aristocratic tones denouncing his own class for their selfish and small-minded greed, with an urgency and determination seldom heard on such occasions (Remember Hoover and his VP were present during the address!).
For grins and giggles then go and listen to Ronald Reagan's first innaugural address in '80 (the one where he said "government is the problem"). He has all the sincerity and genuiness of a Disney animatronic robot.
Finally, listen to FDR's campaign speech delivered to a crowd at Madison Square Garden on 10/31/36 just before the '36 election. Swift-boating slander and dirty tricks were something that big money was practicing back then too but listen as FDR turns the tables on them and especially listen to the pandemonium that breaks out as the crowd really gets with the message FDR is delivering.
The closest I have heard to this so far in the '08 campaign was Dennis Kucinich's ringing denunciation of NAFTA before the gathering of union members at a Soldier Field rally in Chicago back in August. Sadly, such moments are too few and far between for my liking.
Yeah... that was back when elections counted.
Good responses folks -- thanks. Anyone have a good FDR book that we should put on our reading lists?
I've taken many roadtrips across the US, and have come across CCC construction at national parks and other places. One that comes to mind was the museum and Castle in Guernsey State Park, WY (http://wyoparks.state.wy.us/Parks/Guernsey/index.asp). I'm not able to locate good photos on the internet. But as I recall, the architecture was built to last the ages. I bet it would withstand a direct F5 tornado. A friend's grandfather was in the CCC and spoke pretty highly of them.
neomunk,
There are indeed valid comparisons between our current system and feudalism. The lords may come and go at-will, whereas the serfs are bound to the manor. Globalization and free trade allows big companies to come and go at will, outsource/offshore, etc. But labor is bound to much greater national restriction. Also, the amortization on 30 year mortgages is such that most people pay MORE to the bank than to the previous owner, tradesmen who built the home, market value of the property, etc. In short, having money is demonstrably more important than working -- or the intrinsic value of things. Over time, this can be written as a summation expression in mathematics: the banks are destined to own everything so long as this continues. At that point, we'll have reverted to a form of slavery, but worse in some ways. Slaves, at least, had room and board.
But it seems we have a forced-tribute system in which the public is forced to socialize warmaking for the wealthy, and enforce order on itself (law enforcement). We're also charged with projects which are not profitable enough for private enterprise, or portions of private enterprise which are costly (airport security, building lighthouses, transportation grid in general, etc.). If it's profitable, there's a capitalist happy to take profits on it. If it's costly, then we're forced to pay for it. If something initially has a high up-front cost, then it'll be a public project -- but eventually privatized when it becomes ripe for profitability.
It's a really bizarre system in practice -- worse than pure socialism or capitalism, IMHO, since it must degenerate to slushy government-corporate contractual arrangements, favoritism, taking money under the table, etc.
Paul:
"The Glory and the Dream" by William Manchester
I came across this book by accident as a teenager - it was my "Zinn" moment.
Starts off in 1932, with WWI veterans who were in D.C camped out and demanding money owed to them, being viciously attacked by hero Doug McArthur. The book covers American history upto watergate.
Does a great job covering FDR
We had another moment in recent U.S. history similar to 30's FDR that Nichols describes. Post Watergate Democratic take-over of congress. A lot of progressives won victories. I think though that the Oil Shock played a big part in that as well.
It's going to take another economic collapse, "it's the economy stupid", to get any real change. Too late of '08 perhaps in 2010.
Ramsay
John Nichols has written a good article on how people were ready for change in the middle of the great depression. The only problem is, as those of us who lived at that time know, we have a totally different country than we had at that time. It is certainly possible we may have an event as bad or even worse than then, due to a recent lack of principled leadership, but it is not likely it can be predicted how it will come out now. Many people are not aware of how close to disaster we may be and would not be able to deal with a severe adjustment in living standards which could cause a total breakdown of our society. After the depression, people co-operated to exist, and were used to dealing with hardship, unlike the last generations who have a sense of entitlement that will not serve them well. A good strong leader like FDR that people could trust might be able to work wonders, but that remains to be seen.
Kernal says:
John Nichols has written a good article on how people were ready for change in the middle of the great depression...
A good strong leader like FDR that people could trust might be able to work wonders, but that remains to be seen.
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Today, "a good strong leader like FDR" would have to be someone with wealth (like a Michael Bloomberg) political heritage (like a Ted Kennedy) and unquetioned patriotism (like a John McCain).
Don't get me wrong, I know that the three exemples I have given above have enough other things wrong with them to not even be worthy of day-dreaming about.
My point is that someone like a "Norman Thomas or "Eugene V. Debs" (translate in today's terms someone like Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader) will not move the masses of people in our time anymore than did Thomas of Debs back in FDR's day. That being said Kucinich and/or Nader are the only ones who even come close to understanding the core issues in need of being confronted in our nation today.
The rest of the political field are the equivalents of Herbert Hoover and Alf Landon (who was the poor chump who carried Maine and Vermont and nowhere else back in the '36 election--whom the Literary Digest magazine had famously predicted after polling their readers that poor ol' Alf would win.
Such was the uniqueness of FDR.
Poet--Thanks for that terrific link to the FDR audio: http://millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/digitalarchive/speechDetail/24
What a treasure! It puts our present economic woes into perspective and lets us hear what real leadership sounds like. And, incidently, what a kick to be able to actually listen to words spoken over 74 years ago as I sit at my computer in Da Nang, Vietnam. Viva la Internet!
Paul B, my local train station was the result of a WPA project, and they did a great job on it. Even though the city covered up part of the art deco front, at least the beautiful tiled interior of the building was preserved. They were going to tear it down and build a new one until someone with some brains noticed how architecturally sound the building was, even after 70 years.
Ramsay, I have to disagree; the pieces are in place for an economic collapse in this country well before 2010 -- likely before the next election. It will also probably be much worse than the Great Depression for two reasons: the US doesn't manufacture much of anything any longer; and we are already deeply in debt to Asia, two conditions that FDR didn't have to deal with in the 1930s. Along with that is the fact that our money is no longer backed by gold or silver; dollars are now Federal Reserve Notes, essentially government IOUs, that our government has no ability to pay back without foreign loans.
Just one other thing, gleaned from my conversations with folks who lived through the Great Depression: No one at the time thought FDR would be FDR; he was a wealthy New York aristocrat and, while anything was better than Hoover, few prior to his taking office thought he would make any major changes. We can hope the next Dem in the White House will find the FDR in themselves and rise to the office and the challenge.
And we shouldn't forget FDR's "Four Freedoms" Speech - his state of of the union speech in 1941:
"In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.
The first is freedom of speech and expression--everywhere in the world.
The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way--everywhere in the world.
The third is freedom from want--which, translated into universal terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants-everywhere in the world.
The fourth is freedom from fear--which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor--anywhere in the world.
That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb."
Has there ever been a word used more loosely than "socialism"? My vote goes to killing it off entirely. As soon as the communists decided to co-opt it for the "Union of Soviet Socialist (?) Republics," the term became meaningless. The Soviet system was one of the most brutal ever known.
My father, a democratic socialist, often told me that no one hated the communists more than his party did. Yet, starting in FDR's first administration and continuing to this day, Republicans have insisted that "socialism" and "communism" are synonymous. And most Americans seem to believe it -- note how they recoil at the term "socialized medicine."
Amitai Etzioni coined the term "communitarian" to describe systems which are an antidote to the predatory international capitalism we suffer under today. Aside from the fact that it sounds too much like communism, it's a nice term, evoking a sense of community. But whatever you want to call it, the system I've long dreamed of is one that honors the best of both worlds -- self-interest and care for the well-being of others.
We could have a country in which the economic life-and-death necessities are guaranteed to every citizen and legal resident, by way of a sliding scale of subsidies: sufficient food, decent housing, electric power, medical and dental care, and excellent schools. Anything beyond that would depend on individual effort. There will always be folks who are particularly smart, extremely energetic, wildly ambitious, focused, madly talented. They will rise to the top of the economic ladder, because this system wouldn't guarantee equality of outcomes. But as these unusual people rise, they would not be allowed to do so by exploitation or other nefarious means. And they would be taxed at a rate that makes it possible for them to live lavishly -- and yet provide a solid basis for a decent life for the least among us. No more hungry Americans. No more homeless Americans. No more sick Americans denied medical treatment for lack of funds.
We could have a country where jobs are not shipped overseas to penny-wage labor markets, because stiff penalties would be imposed on companies that did so. A country which makes sure that every citizen and legal resident looking for a job can find one, before inviting people from other countries to come here and work. A country in which the minimum wage reflects the real rate of inflation.
Dynamic entrepreneurship and easy entry into the national marketplace still has America bubbling with inventiveness and creates things that make life better. I wouldn't ever want to lose that! But we must, as our Constitution tells us, "promote the general welfare" too.
I grew up during FDR's presidency. I remember his fireside chats, even though I was just a kid. I get so tired of a lot of the garbage I read on the net. To PNAC, he was a second cousin to Satan. They've been trying to get rid of everything he accomplished for almost 60 years. (Of course, they haven't always been called PNAC, but their philosophy is the same) I fear they may have accomplished it this time, after several failed attempts. You couldn't vote out the safety net that FDR tried to put under the American People with the New Deal, but they have finally figured out that if you give the treasury away to the very rich with tax cuts and shelters, go in debt to foreign powers, put the rest into a bloated Military-Industrial-Congressional-Oil Complex, eventually you will be able to turn your pockets inside out and tell We the People, "We're sorry, but we're broke. No more Social Security, no more aid to education, no more food stamps, no more jobs. You are on your own to take whatever crumbs the real rulers wish to let fall from their table. And we have Blackwater to see that you don't get unruly."
We will have turned back into the country that FDR rescued us from becoming in '33, but with vastly more power for the wealthy, and much more collusion between the three branches of government. Now, instead of checks and balances to keep the government honest, they will be cooperating to see that We the People don't invent checks and balances of our own, to replace those that used to be guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Since the ascent of the Corporate Kleptocracy that has taken over the country, every progressive leader from the founding fathers through FDR to JFK has been raked over the coals, called "Socialist" as though that were a "potty word" and every worry about government excess by the likes of such as Jefferson and Madison is decried, misinterpreted, or denigrated.
We could use such people today, but where Jefferson and Madison were allowed to die of old age, the newer thinkers with concern for the people and the Constitution usually seem to get shot if it looks like they will be effective. The right wing and the dictators seem to survive fairly well because humane, caring people usually don't assassinate, preferring to work within the law. The Kleptocracy has learned to buy the law, so we are running out of options.
One of the things that is rarely brought out is that FDR was really a Conservative. He wanted to conserve the country and keep it intact, and that required some pretty radical acts to curb the excesses that were destroying us. Roosevelt invented or enhanced government agencies that took control away from big business and big banking and allowed a correction to their greed. That is currently decried as "Big Government." At the time, it was a necessity and not an expansion of government for government's sake. It was a use of government to curb excesses and greed that were strangling the nation.
I read the Republican and the Libertarian rant against big government and a lot of it makes sense. The government should be a lot smaller and more efficient. It should get out of the business of micro-managing every citizen's private life, opinions and actions, as long as they are not harming the people at large. It needs watchdogs to keep it honest until it learns to read and apply the Constitution again. (Once it does that, it will cure the above mentioned micro-managing.) But when you get behind that rant, you see that the Libertarian wants to get rid of government so there will be no control over greed. To the Libertarian, he has the right to make what he can, any way that he can, and keep all of it. If someone else has the wealth and power to challenge him, that is a fair fight. The person that doesn't have that ability is on his own. In short, the strong shall rule and the weak shall go to the wall. No one should have a union to protect his wages and working conditions. Sweatshops would be fine if it improves the bottom line. If you don't have enough to live on, then starve. If you can't make your mortgage payment, live under a bridge, but don't ask for help. If you are sick and haven't the money for a doctor or hospital, then die, but don't ask the libertarian to help you, because he's got his and it is HIS! If you die, there are lots more hungry, desperate people to take your place at whatever wage they wish to pay you.
We could really use an FDR today, but I don't see any on the horizon.
Somehow, part of my next to the last paragraph didn't make it, so I'll repost the paragraph.
I read the Republican and the Libertarian rant against big government and a lot of it makes sense. The government should be a lot smaller and more efficient. It should get out of the business of micro-managing every citizen's private life, opinions and actions, as long as they are not harming the people at large. It needs watchdogs to keep it honest until it learns to read and apply the Constitution again. (Once it does that, it will cure the above mentioned micro-managing.) But when you get behind that rant, you see that the Libertarian wants to get rid of government so there will be no control over greed. To the Libertarian, he has the right to make what he can, any way that he can, and keep all of it. If someone else has the wealth and power to challenge him, that is a fair fight. The person that doesn't have that ability is on his own. In short, the strong shall rule and the weak shall go to the wall. No one should have a union to protect his wages and working conditions. Sweatshops would be fine if it improves the bottom line. If you don't have enough to live on, then starve. If you can't make your mortgage payment, live under a bridge, but don't ask for help. If you are sick and haven't the money for a doctor or hospital, then die, but don't ask the libertarian to help you, because he's got his and it is HIS! If you die, there are lots more hungry, desperate people to take your place at whatever wage they wish to pay you.
The comment on micromanaging was left out.
RSJ: No, you read me wrong, I am in complete agreement with you. The coming crash has every potential to be far worse than the one in the '30's.
This time it will be truly global. And the U.S. is in a worse position because not only has it lost it's manufacturing, but it's natural resources have been depleted, it's technology has been given away, and the education of our youth is pathetic. There is nothing left in this country to fuel real growth.
My point was that the leadership, and leaders with vision, are not in place for the election of 2008. The corporate democrats can't be expected to deliver meaningful change.
Ramsay
As I mentioned above, the neocons want this country to fall apart. They have their money safely squirreled away in Euros, Yuan, Yen, Shekels, Gold, Gems. They can sit back and watch us turned into beggars, then control us through hunger, joblessness, homelessness, etc, just like they did in the good (bad) old days before Roosevelt.
I don't think they've left us much to recover with, this time. Perhaps we can corner the market on tar and feathers and good old American hemp.
LIBERTAS FUGIT: Interesting, compelling (5:20) post.
AdeleTheCzech, good point about the definition of socialism. A friend who teaches high school told me he asked his students for their definition of conservatism, neoconservative, liberalism, communism, socialism, capitalism, and libertarianism. The predominant answers of his 17 and 18-year-olds can be summed up as: conservatism: 'telling people what God wants them to do'; liberalism: 'a bunch of wimps who hate our country'; communism: 'socialist haters of God and money'; socialism: 'a dictatorship that takes everybody's money and gives it away to bums who don't work'; and libertarianism: 'free love.' Only on neoconservatism and capitalism did they come somewhat closer to an accurate description: Neoconservatism: 'start wars to make money for your friends'; capitalism: 'be real greedy, get stuff, and forget about everybody else.' He then undertook to explain to his class what each of these 'isms' actually meant and put the words into an historical context.
Unfortunately, one of my friend's students reported his questions to her neoconservative parents, who then contacted the principal of the school. The principal called him into his office and asked my friend why he was teaching communism to his class. My friend explained that he was simply informing his students of the meanings of the various words. (He teaches English.) The principal told him to cease and desist; "No more politics -- they can learn about all that in college."
But it was too late -- he had already given them the information and the history and the political cat was out of the bag. Although he told his students he couldn't discuss these subjects in class anymore, many of them took it upon themselves to get together informally and talk about their new-found knowledge. He was proud of his class, but also distressed that other students in his public high school would apparently have to wait until college to understand the difference between communism and socialism.
Ramsay, I'm glad we agree. One point: the first goal of any politician is to get elected (and reelected); most of them will shift their stands if it means they'll be turned out of office. On that crass basis, and with the country becoming as liberal as it was in the 1960s, I think many Dems and even Republicans will start voting more progressively. As this article lays out, FDR didn't start out particularly liberal; he evolved into many of his positions, partly based on politics and partly on common sense.
Yes, Libertas Fugit, excellent post.