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Anti-war Vets Slam Parade Ban
LONG BEACH - Iraq veteran Jason Lemieux might not be marching in the 11th annual Long Beach Veterans Day Parade on Saturday.
The Marine, who served three tours of duty in Iraq and is now against the war, was hoping to march as a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, a national organization that calls for immediate withdrawal of troops in Iraq.
The group's application, however, was rejected last month because of its political views, parade coordinators said.
"I wanted to march like the rest of the Iraq veterans," said Lemieux, a 24-year-old Anaheim resident. "I served my country. I'm a veteran of a foreign war. I think I deserve that respect."
Iraq Veterans, along with the groups Veterans for Peace and Military Families Speak Out, applied to march together in the parade this year under the entry "Military Patriots."
After reviewing each group's mission statement, the Veterans Day Parade Committee, a non-profit group that organizes the event, voted unanimously to reject the application, said parade coordinator Martha Thuente.
"They do not fit the spirit of the parade," she said. "The spirit being one of gratitude for what the veterans have done. We do not want groups of a political nature, advocating the troops' withdrawal from Iraq."
Parade coordinators work hard to keep the event free from politics, Thuente said.
"We're not allowed to take a political stance."
The rejection has left many veterans and anti-war groups outraged.
"It think it's absurd," said Adrian Novotny, president of the Long Beach Chapter of Veterans for Peace, a national nonprofit that advocates non-violence, VA healthcare and veterans' rights. "It's a violation of Democracy, the whole concept which we are allegedly dying for."
Novotny, a Vietnam vet and professor of anthropology at Long Beach City College, said the situation is especially frustrating since the group was allowed to march in the parade last year.
It also marched eight years ago, he said, even though it did not submit an application.
Thuente said Veterans for Peace was allowed to march last year because parade coordinators did not fully check the group's application.
"Perhaps if we had checked out their agenda, they would not have been allowed," she said. "We didn't realize they had marched until after the parade."
Members of each of the three groups voiced their opinion at Tuesday night's City Council meeting.
However, City Attorney Bob Shannon on Wednesday said the parade committee is a private, non-profit organization, and therefore reserves the right to choose its participants.
"These veterans groups certainly have First Amendment rights," Shannon said. "But the parade committee also has the First Amendment right to exclude whoever they wish if (the entry) does not keep within the theme."
Each year, the parade generates funds through community fundraisers and corporate sponsors, Thuente said. Paramount Petroleum Corporation donated $10,000 this year.
The city provides the staffing, flags, banners, utilities and police protection, Shannon said, but does not play any role in the approval of parade participants.
"The fact that the city does provide staff is a disconnect," Shannon said.
Councilman Val Lerch, a member of the parade committee, supported the board's decision.
"They voted unanimously to exclude a group, believing it had a political agenda," said Lerch, whose 9th District includes the parade route. "And I agree with the board's actions. For 11 years, this has been a parade to honor and support this nation."
The city did offer to set up a designated area near the parade, he said, where groups can stand and hold up signs.
"They can stand on the corner with signs all they want," said Lerch, a veteran who served 24 years with the U.S. Coast Guard. "They're not honoring those people by protesting."
Pat Alviso, a member of Military Families Speak Out, maintains that the group is not there to protest. Military Families is an organization of people opposed to the war in Iraq who have relatives or loved ones currently in the military or who have served in the military.
"We are not protesting this parade," Alviso said. "These are good people serving this country. It's an insult to be put in a `free speech' area. We are members of that parade and we are proud to be with them."
Alviso said only 10 or 12 people from all three groups combined had planned to march in the parade on Saturday. But now that they have been rejected, the groups expect many more outraged members to show up, she said.
Alviso also said the groups plan to take legal action if they are not allowed to march.
"This is a free speech issue," she said. "How can you have a private event in a public arena?"
Thuente said the parade lineup is set for this year, but the committee has offered to meet with the groups in January to discuss participating in 2008.
"They won't accept the fact that the parade is set for this year," she said. "I believe they've blown it all out of proportion."
Lemieux said he just wants his voice to be heard.
"It feels like I've been betrayed by the very people I fought to serve," he said. "They should be embarrassed by themselves."
© 2007 The Long Beach Press-Telegram
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Show AllCrash the parade.
The City of Long Beach should be sued.
Supporting the status quo is a "political agenda".
The status quo, my country right or wrong and stick my head in the sand (appropriate)gang have conveniently ignored the lies that have gotten us into wars.
I'm damned glad there are groups like Veterans for Peace, Iraq Vets Against the War, Military Families Speak Out and Gold Star Families for Peace.
A vet told me that he wished he had known about Veterans for Peace years before he did when he got out of the military back before Gulf I.
Iraq Vets Against the War has already helped many vets and their families by trying to end this occupation for oil and empire. As importantly, it has given Iraq vets a place to heal themselves while fighting to prevent others form being a party to the destruction of lies and land in Iraq, throughout our world and in our own backyard.
Veterans for Peace, Iraq Vets Against the War and the family of military groups have brought out the lies that got us into Iraq and the criminal neglect of too many soldiers in active service and of veterans.
Remember, Depleted Uranium is to the Iraq Wars and Occupation (I & II) what Agent Orange was (and is ) to Vietnam.
It's ironic that WoT veterans, the very ones with the greatest earned justification to be war protesters, are denied a forum for doing so--because they asked for permission to join an event organized around a different "theme.". Were this to go to our Supreme Court, chances are we already have enough conservatives there to rule in favor of "The Parade, Inc." that it, as an organized "committee" (probably an incorporated committee) can accept or reject any "entry" it chooses.
The goal is to not get (by addition of more strict constructionists) a Supreme Court that thinks our best public interest would be served by herding all protesters of any kind into free speech zones on any and all occasions for "security" reasons. The way we avoid such a court is by not allowing another Republican president to appoint Court members in our lifetime. That means we should work to elect other (Democratic) presidents henceforth.
Remember how proud Rudy Giuliani is of "cleaning up New York" by running certain "types" off the streets. Can you imagine the mindset he'd prefer his Supreme Court appointees to have?
The Bush Administration started cutting veteran's benefits before 9/11 and continues to do so. Their actions have set the tone for State and local governments...pay lip service to supporting the troops and shaft the troops at every opportunity.
That faint whine you hear as you drop off to sleep at night is George Orwell spinning in his grave. Now at about 35,000 RPM and rising.
Yes, we must by all means support Democrats who are mindful of the Bill of Rights, opposed to the illegal and ruinous war of agression against, and occupation of, Iraq, and who steadfastly respect and honor the fundamental American right to publicly express dissent.
Like Nancy Pelosi, who graciously acknowledged antiwar and pro-impeachment protestors at her front door:
[...] "I had, for five months, people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco, angering neighbors, hanging their clothes from trees, building all kinds of things -- Buddhas? I don't know what they were -- couches, sofas, chairs, permanent living facilities on my front sidewalk."
Unsmilingly, she continued: "If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering, but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."
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OK, maybe she comes off as a bit of a Marie Antoinette here, but she's really in their corner-- trust me.
562.422.6669 - the phone number of the committee that denied the permit.
No one has the right to stop you! Crash their parade! How dare the so-called status quo-unpopular as they are-stop our veterans from marching! If anyone has a political agenda, it's the city of Long Beach! Shame on Long Beach!
Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go! ......
What the f**k happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let's do it.
Bluto: LET'S DO IT!
IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY (for starters) NOW!
Enough IS enough!
Congress must take immediate steps to remove the rot and hold them accountable in a court of law for crimes against American
citizens.
may the sun shine on the iraq veterns against the war and all the advocates of peace !the civil liberties union should be chomping at the bit to sue the war-mongering hawks that are using the parade to promote the war-agenda and crush the peaceful and the justified that rightfully oppose the criminal insanity of these unjustified wars..
WTF is EXACTLY RIGHT.
Crash the Parade. I want to see them start throwing Veterans in jail on Veteran's Day.
Crashing the Parade is the BEST POSSIBLE plan.
Yup. Crash the parade. I just called the number and demanded an explanation. It was weak. I recommend many others call as well.
562.422.6669 (thanks, Matthew!)
It's also obvious that the parade IS a political statement, especially by the VFW et al!
So Jason goes off to fight for freedom, and when he's done, he can't march in a parade on Veterans' Day because of his political views? Welcome to the Twilight Zone.
This is going to turn out tomorrow to be worse than I expected. There is going to be one or 100 very unhappy VETS4PEACE tomorrow at Independence Hall. They cut all of the wood for the headstones, I helped painting , then I was asked to help nail the nameplates on center top of the gravestone. It was me in the mid 70's, the smiling in dress blues I survived Basic smile, we send to our families, then they send them to the local paper. Then I saw, NAME: , DOB, then MFR, DOD, these were young, vibrant soldier's, obeying commands as good soldier's do, doubletime if those order's are from the Commander in Chief. Now they are dead, murdered due to that thing that gave them those order's.
So tomorrow we line up the grid, place the headstones in proper military lines and weep, for who is no longer here.
Those MF'rs in Long Beach say 'NO', I know quite a few VETS4PEACE that will raise HELL, they will REFUSE anyone to say 'NO' to military that served honorably during campaigns that believe these wars must end, NOW!
They speak for the one's that no longer have a voice, they have this RIGHT to honor our fallen.
I think with all that is happening internally and worldwide as peace activists, we must now become ACTIVE in protests.....whatever will stop this death, whatever it takes..
If this Veterans Day parade is like all the others I've seen over the years, then any veteran is allowed, and in fact encouraged to join in it as an individual; so do so. Wear or hold whatever political statements you wish, and challenge those who might stop you to prove they have any constitutional right to prevent your freedom of speech on a public street. I'm an Army veteran of the late 60's, and also a veteran of the VAW protests afterwards, and still believe that it was we veterans who had the most powerful effect upon ending that "war" of anyone. GO FOR IT!
Many of the people who have joined the military are ex-foster kids who, when they turned 18 years of age, decided to become soldiers. Unfortunately they didn't have many choices, e.g. the chance to go to college. These kids are the ones that the Bush-Cheney Crime Syndicate look to for cannon fodder to use for their war profiteering. The fascists in charge don't give these kids' lives a second thought. What a sad situation. :(
america.....land of the free? all hail his majesty king george!
Long Beach cowards! Hurray for Oakland!
If "the city provides the staffing, flags, banners, utilities and police protection", this is indeed a public forum where free-speech should be allowed. This is one more example of taxpayer money supporting a private, corporate agenda... Paramount Petroleum Corp. has no political agenda???
"For 11 years, this has been a parade to honor and support this nation". The best way to protect and honor this nation is to uphold the Constitution and not let our rights be eradicated by corporate power. Slipping, slipping... almost gone.
perhaps the veterans who were going to march should sit it out in solidarity. it is always quoted that freedom is what they are fighting for. here's their chance to show which freedoms that means..
The parade is in the "spirit of gratitude" for what the veterans have done? Maybe it would be more fitting to have a parade in apology for allowing this illegal occupation to happen in the first place and for them being sent to die for those lies.
Any veteran should have the right to march in any veterans days parade for any reason he or she has. It was those veterans who put their lives on the line and they have earned that right. How dare these pompous mealy mouth do gooders of the City and the committee decide just which veteran is worthy.
This parade is now more of an insult to our brave veterans if it doesn't include all regardless of their motivation for wanting to be there. They have fought for their right to dissent. Dissent, in case the City and the Committee have forgotton, is PATRIOTISM IN ACTION.
So much for Bush's much used words "freedom" "democracy" and free speech.
Welcome to Amerika.
Long Beach is a big navy town. In fact that whole area, Seal Beach, also, is heavy with military presence.
Lots of right wingers calling the shots in govt. there, My Country, do or die types.
They don't want no "protest" spoiling their little "America the righteous" love fest down there.
Understand?
562-422-6669 I just called and stated my objections to the ban on the peace veterans' participation in the march. I urge everyone reading this to call. Make them feel guilty as hell for their undemocratic, totalitarian ban.
They say that "we are not allowed a political stance". But they have taken a stance, a stance that everyone shouldnt be allowed voice their opinions concerning the nature of military operations the armed forces are taking part in, unless it is to cheer for it unquestioningly.
I recently visited the American cemetery at Omaha Beach in Normandy, and noticed, inscribed on the wall in the Garden of the Missing (cases where no bodies were found), many, many names of soldiers from the same unit: the 262 infantry 66. I scribbled the number down and shoved it in my pocket. I assumed that there were so many from that unit because they were among the first to land on the beach, meeting the heaviest fire. The monument and museum certainly led me to expect as much.
A few days later, I googled the unit number, and learned that around 800 American soldiers drowned when the Belgian transport ship they were on was torpedoed by Germans in Christmas Eve, 1944. There was a bungled rescue attempt by the British. The Belgians abandoned ship and most of the Americans drowned. The survivors were sworn to secrecy by the army, and the families did not learn the true way their loved ones died until 1994. The Normandy monument said nothing (I looked pretty closely) about this.
I guess I am saying this because the parade issue is no surprise. The armed forces are all about repression and blind patriotism. Lying and denial. It is precisely that, no doubt, that drives so many all-too human soldiers to states of trauma and emotional despair.
The vets marching in that parade will be marching for fascism, whether they know it or not.
--Viet Nam War vet and member, Veterans for Peace
I just called the number of the commity and informed them that as a former soldger (USMC) I am appalled by ther action .When I told her I was in PA the line went dead.
I would never have thought 25 years ago that the military I served in would one day (mostly unknowingly) be fighting to protect facism in the homeland.
Thanks for the number matthew.
Have a nice F**king parade Long Beach
Here is the email address for the Parade committee,
msthuente@hotmail.com
drop them a line about American freedom.
When I called about a half hour ago:
The woman who answered first mentioned that the group had not filed for a permit. As the conversation went on she said the follwoing:
"I have constitutional rights that allow me to decide who can be in the parade or not. And they cannot."
This was her answer to why the Iraqi vets who have earned the right to be in the parade are being denied that right.
The true civilization is where every man gives to every other every right that he claims for himself. Robert Ingersoll (1833 - 1899)
She seemed pretty angry, I guess a lot of us have being calling…
Our Vets for Peace group will be having a short memorial ceremony on the steps of the Federal Building in our local city. We feel it is our moral obligation as well as our constitutional right to assembly. We did not ask permission. If we had, some officious bureaucrat probably would have questioned it, or taken it to committee. I think the vets in Long Beach should sue the City.
The jerks that want to ban us from these activities are pro-business, pro-war Republicans who get their guns off acting brave. John Wayne wannabees always get offended when their boorish behavior is questioned. They'd be scared sh!tless if they had to face enemy fire. Pathetic louts!
Long Beach Veterans Parade
Sponcered by: Bush co.
Manufacturers of Endless Wars, Corperate dominence,and every
bodies old favorite Fear.. Bush Co. also offers the removal of Mountain Tops, American jobs and Civil Liberties.
I love a parade!
Message for CanuckChuck:
The Germans did not bomb Pearl Harbor - Hello! Hint: The country that attacked PH also has brought us such things as sushi and reliable motorcycles and reliable cars that get great MPG.!
May I suggest a basic American history class or better yet, watch Ken Burns' film, 'War'.
Johnny 36 your right on the mark.
canuckchuck thanks man animal house has never been so fitting
"Parade coordinators work hard to keep the event free from politics, Thuente said. "We're not allowed to take a political stance."
[...in this Land of the Free!! -haha.]
"...said Councilman Van Lerch, whose 9th District includes the parade route. "And I agree with the board's actions. For 11 years, this has been a parade to honor and support this nation."
[-well, we all make mistakes Mr 'Lurch'!!]
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Veteran: (from the Latin, 'veteranus') "- a person who has had long service or experience in an occupation, office, etc" - That makes us lifelong campaigners against lunatic wars 'Vets' as well. Will they soon hold a flag waving parade in honor of us I wonder?
Also, 'Vet': a diminutive of veterinarian: "One who treats sick animals."
The chimp heading up the USA is sick animal and urgently needs help from an experienced Vet.
We recommend he is humanely put down, for the good of the human race.
With a Nazi as the Governator, what would you expect?
Ah, the golden capitalist touch: Free speech is great and you went to war to defend it, but don't do it here! I hope they march ANYWAY and return the insult they've received...
Another nail in the coffin of free speech. Placed there by the fanatical, imperial
BU**SH** PRESIDENCY.
I am joining Vets For Peace today,
USN, Vietnam, USS Walker DD517, 65-67
They's guys were at the http://www.oct27.org/ rally. It's pretty scary when NPR didn't even cover this event that took place in 11 cities across the country.
I can see this from the major networks http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/04/bill-moyers-on-whats-wrong-with-our-media/
But I believe even NPR has been compromised. They probably won't cover this issue as well. Thank you Common Dreams.
Remember, we are fighting this war for 'freedom.' This is an example of 'freedom' in America today. Aren't you glad there are people dying for it?
The very first comment is right. And everyone who is concerned about defending liberty and freedom should join those vets in marching in that parade. There should be thousands and thousands of people in the Long Beach area willing to go march with these vets.
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Wow, you think NPR's been compromised? Incredible! BTW, I remember calling them "national pentagon radio" back when Clinton had his illegal war against Yugoslavia. Just turn them off. They've been bad ever since they've been taking all the corporate funding.
I love the comment about 'keeping the parade free of politics'. Boy did they miss the point of the whole thing.
In the rest of the world, Nov 11th is called 'Armistice Day'. It marks the 11th hour or the 11th day of the 11th month when the Armistice that ended World War I came into effect and ended that gawdawful war.
The entire point is to mark the ending of an awful war that shocked and scarred a generation that had to fight it for 4 very long years. It marks the end of a war that stupid politicians got the people into. All the idiot politicians then were telling everyone that it would 'be a cakewalk' when WWI started. No politician thought the war that became WWI would last more than a few months, and each thought their nation would have an easy victory.
Armistice Day, or Veterans Day in the US, is to mark that political stupidity, and to remind all of us to never again let our idiot political leaders lead us into long, stupid wars. It marks the fact that as Gen. Sherman put it, 'war is hell'. It marks the fact that war is unpredictable and chaotic, and once its unleashed its very hard to end.
The very nature of the day is political. It has to be. Its supposed to war us every year not to send our young men and women off to die in senseless wars.
This is very easy.
Make a cloth banner - spray paint and 1/4 of a bed sheet (heck, go ahead and make four!) Say what you think.
line up 7 friends. Stand in groups of two along the parade route. One of you has the rolled up banner nicely concealed under your coat.
periodically, a pair of patriots leave the sidewalk, and join the parade with their banner stretched open.
some of you will be hustled out of the parade by the uniformed people.
Some of you will be able to walk in the parade for quite a while before the blue uniforms notice or while they are busy dealing with your friends.
Crash this parade. Crash it big!
1. Each group should send out notices to the local media of what is going on and their intent to march in the parade anyway.
2. March anyway (but do it in a peaceful and respectful way).
3. Get press coverage you would not have gotten.
You can't buy this kind of media coverage (well, maybe you can), but it's being handed to you - go for it!
The scum who made the decision will not take phone calls today and the email address is a no go, all cowards like their president.
I sent a comment to the newspaper of long beach, my question was do I have to be a veteran who massacred innocent iraqi citizens to be honored? The world is watching in horror while the usa continues to send troops to kill, I am glad the veterans for peace got a conscious on what they contributed to.
Shame on you, Long Beach!
PARADE ANYWAY!!
PARADE FOR THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FREELY! HOORAY FOR THE VETERANS!
Even the Long Beach Press, the local newspaper, apparently is not accepting any further comments on their website about this article. My guess is the whole lot of them are totally shocked at the outpouring of support for MFSO, IVAW and VFP. Perhpas this disgusting show of blind "patriotism" will bring VFP even more new members!