I've long bemoaned the fact that we non-Americans don't get a vote in the poll to decide our next 'Leader of the free world'. Our own governments have bugger all to do with world affairs, and in our case (Australia) its merely a branch office of head office in Washington and can't make major decisions without consulting them.

But this has just changed!!

Now we can directly affect the outcome! Kucinich is bugger-all chance of a nomination thus far, but most of the rest of the world would love to see him win

SO, MY FELLOW NON-AMERICANS,FOLLOW ME TO DK'S SITE AND GIVE HIM A FEW BUCKS!!! IF HE CAN RAISE A BILLION FROM THE REST OF US HE MIGHT JUST GET UP!!!! IMAGINE IT! A POTUS WITH A SET OF NUTS!!!!!!!!

COME ON! $$$ for DK!!

Kucinich's intelligence,courage,integrity presents a profile in courage to which every single candidate should be compared. The ridicule he bears with good humor from the media, mainstream and not-so-mainstream, should not be tolerated by anyone who believes he is right. How many are there of us? Let's get busy talking and acting to support this guy.

DICK, YOUR 5 EXEMPTIONS HAVE EXPIRED. YOUR LOVE OF POWER AND MONEY, NOT YOUR COUNTRY, IS OBVIOUS.
LEAVE QUIETLY, BUT LEAVE.

NORMAN L. MCQUAID, JR

Here's what all of us face who are fighting to regain (if we ever had it) our democracy:

http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/

and here is the history of how this became our realty:

http://iamthewitness.com/doc/RothschildsTimeline-filer/frame.htm

O.K., a lot of us would love to see Bush and Chaney go. But isn't anyone sick and tired of seeing that same old photo of Chaney with the snarling teeth?

ChingarraSan

Good letter!

Of course,

the founding fathers admonished the inheritors of the constitution to initiate a new constitutional convention if the country began running off the rails of liberty. Looks like Congress doesn't have the guts to handle the country's 'true' business --the business of freedom in America. Only Kucinich's lonely cry seems to reverberate in the wilderness of the Bushco/Militant Mafia.

Impeachment was inserted into the constitution exactly for the purpose of removing criminals like Bush & Cheney from office. If Nancy Pelosi refuses to do her job, I say it's time for Cindy Sheehan to take over. If Cindy were in Nancy's shoes right now, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The Pelosi family has been in San Francisco politics for DECADES and, as I see it, they have way outlived their usefulness.

EVERYONE CALL THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE!
ESPECIALLY JOHN CONYERS!
http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx

MY LETTER TO JOHN CONYERS:

Impeachment MUST be put back on the table! The Progressive Democrats in this country feel betrayed by the majority leaders in both houses! Democrats came out strong at the voting booth, in order to stop the war in Iraq, and remove a criminal administration from office, before more harm to the country could take place. Nothing has changed! The killing in an illegal war continues! People are still being illegally wiretapped! The assault on the Constitution continues with reckless abandon! The Justice Department is dysfunctional! And, the public continues being ripped off by out of control corporations who are engaging in war profiteering!

The Bush Administration makes the Mafia look like a church tea group. Cheney, Bush, and the rest of the crooks in this administration belong in prison! This entire administration should be impeached NOW! None of this criminal Bush Administration bull**** would be happening if congress was doing their job! Republicans, and, many Democrats in congress are aiding and abetting the Bush administration criminals!

Congress has been standing by, and allowing the crimes of this administration to take place in plain view and not doing a thing to stop them. Allowing this criminal administration to continue breaking the law with impunity is not only a travesty, but a violation of the oath that congress takes to protect and uphold the constitution! Violating the oath of office is in itself a crime. Congress must begin representing the people of this country and doing the job they were elected to do!

It's plain to see that all politicians, regardless of party, owe their lofty positions to large corporate backers. So, all the sniveling about the Democrats not having the votes to clean up Washington is meaningless. Never in my lifetime have I seen such a bunch of criminals in charge of government, and I'm 72 years old.

The rich and powerfull will always control the rest of the people as long they are allowed to do so! It MUST BE OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE THAT THE COUNTRY IS ON THE WRONG TRACK! It's up to the citizens of this country to protect the constitution! The politicians will not do so!

These crooked bastards, who have highjacked the country, are not going to throw themselves into prison! It's time for these crooks to realize that no government is immune from public pressure! To Congress: Let's get with the program! Impeach! Convict! Throw the crooks into prison! Throw away the key!

Impeachment is an important tool, a process to change the leadership here in USA. In Europe they have no confidence votes, which allow for a government to be brought down and a new government elected. Impeachment is the means for doing it here in USA. We should not be afraid to use this tool

We should talk about it in a way that people feel comfortable about using it.

THANKS DENNIS. IT'S ABOUT TIME WE IMPEACH THE CROOKS THAT ARE RUNNING OUR COUNTRY INTO THE GROKUND.

I'm happy to say that my representative, Yvette Clarke, was one of the co-sponsors of HR 333. A list of all of the co-sponsors can be found at Wikipedia. They all deserve congratulatory e-mails or phone calls.

As an Englishman living in Turkey I have no representative to write to. What I have done though is emailed the BBC Have Your Say site and asked why the BBC has not reported anything about Kucinich's statement.
May I suggest that those of you who live in the States write or phone or email your major media and ask them why they haven't reported fully on it also?

Somebody may have already mentioned this, but the real reason the R's voted against tabling the motion is because they want the chance to point the finger at the democrats, otherwise known as "moonbats" to the righties, and use this as an example of the Dems wasting time on things that have no chance of passing, instead of working on the real issues Americans care about, like imperialistic war mongering, lowering taxes for the wealthy, protecting the rich from paying into Social Security, making sure middle class Americans (who are quickly disappearing) have to pay through the nose for health care, and attacking the last frontiers of privatization, like emergency response, education, etc.

However, what they forget - and apparently most of the Dems in both the House and the Senate - is that the majority of Americans do indeed support the opposite notions. They overwhelmingly support impeachment, universal healthcare, free education for all, solid family-supporting middle class jobs, fair trade, and a Manhattan Project-like investment in the mitigation of global warming.

Don't let idiots (on both sides of the isle) who don't understand Constitutional law fool you into believing that impeachment is a waste of time. The statement it makes alone is worth the time.

What is the difference between Pakistan and the USA?

In Pakistan, the opposition parties are AGAINST dictatorship.

Almost every one of us was pleading day in day out to Pelosi to impeach; yet Republicans did it without even us asking. How do you like that? This will go down in history as the day Pelosi got the shaft.

How can anyone vote for her when the Republicans beat her at her own game? Had she played her hand right and put the impeachment on the table, she would have tremendously boosted Democrats' chances. Of course, I don't trust either of the two (read one) parties, but I'm bewildered how dumb a person can get.

Everyone needs to read the excellent book written by David Corn, "The Lies of George Bush." What David was saying with full documentation was that Cheney was the one that camped out at the Pentagon and twisted arms so that intel reports were rewritten to fit his neo con agenda for the invasion of Iraq. Cheney was a primary member of PNAC, a neo con think tank that in the 1990's drew up the blueprints for an Iraq invasion. Donald Rumsfeld was also a primary member.

Cheney is still going around saying there is a connection between 9/11, Al Qaeda and Saddam. He needs to be taught a hard lesson that there is a difference between the truth and what he wants to be the truth to rationalize killing and maiming hundreds of thousands of people for the sake of his neo con agenda.

Priestess_of_Isis: "I received an email from DFA this morning inviting me to come and check out their "staw e-poll" results."

Yes, Priestess, I think we all got one, but here's the real rub:
Dennis did not get a required 66% to get their support; hence, the poll was basically worthless! Do you think the MSM is going to pick the results up and show them to their "flock"? I'm hoping it at least garnered him more financial support from those who participated and saw the results. (moveon.org required the 66% back in 2003 if you recall...and supported NO ONE!)

If I'm wrong on my assesment, please let me know.

This is an unprecedented opportunity for justice to be served. Now is the time for everyone who cares to demonstrate with action, that they care.

PLEASE TAKE ACTION (and ask others to do so too)

Call, FAX and email Conyers - pressure him to do the right thing!!

The Honorable John Conyers, Jr

John.Conyers@mail.house.gov

2426 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC
(202) 225-5126
(202) 225-0072 Fax

2615 W. Jefferson
Trenton, MI
(734) 675-4084
(734) 675-4218 Fax

669 Federal Building
Detroit
(313) 961-5670
(313) 226-2085 Fax

Please call and/or email other congressmen and senators too.

Let your voices be heard!!!

We the people have the power, if only enough of us will only stand up and use it.

NANCY PELOSI
(202) 225-0100

==========================

Thanks to Cheney and Bush - over 800,000 Iraqi people (including tens of thousands of little children) have been killed, and over a million crippled for life. Because of all the needless bloodshed, and because an estimated 800 Iraqi doors get busted down by u.s. forces every night, they have countless reasons to hate us.

We need to impeach (and imprison) those two war criminals, apologize to the Iraqi people, find a way to make it right, and also fight a way to make sure that such a horrible thing is never repeated.

———-

http://www.dennis4president.com

GO DENNIS!

I received an email from DFA this morning inviting me to come and check out their "staw e-poll" results-- in which I had voted. Dennis was the winner of that poll. And if you de-select the low-results candidates (Dodd, Biden, Richardson) and the write-in candidate (Gore)-- the results reset to KUCINICH having over 40%. To put that in perspective, ne-con handmaiden Hillary got 9%.

I guess that bastard pseudo-journalist Russert's efforts to derail Dennis with UFO condescension didn't work...

I know that Dennis has integrity and I will vote for him. I would also vote for Dodd, since he's taking some strong stands for the Constitution and has 'fessed up to a wrong vote on the Iraq "war" resolution. I'm reasonably OK with Edwards. Obama seems not seasoned enough for These Difficult Times. But I am one of that 39% who will NEVER ever vote for Mrs Mossad Hillary.

Assuming there is an election and our votes aren't "erased" or "mis-applied" electronically. You know what they say about assuming things....

I'm off to give Dennis a liitle e-kiss with some moolah!!

lwaa,

Your analysis seems very correct to me. The democrats behaviour is so inexplicable that some kind of conspiracy seen the only credible explanation.

And andakos, you have truly pointed the great weakness of the US's much-over-rated constitutuion.

I truly envy the British style system where the parliament can and does simply dissolve itself completely and call instant elections for every single member bu calling a motion and voting. And there isn't a centralized executive branch at all - just ministries answerable to parliament, so no President, no "unitary executive" and no dreadful presidential election nonsense.

I know it's has it's flaws in real practice - it still hasn't prevented the UK and Australia from becoming two-party duopolys, but it seems like utopia (in it's old, non-negative meaning) compared to the US system.

it would only take a simple majority in the Senate to remove Cheney if the House gets its 218 votes to impeach. That means those Blue Dogs need to vote for impeachment, along with a few Real Republicans like Jones and Paul. Are there 51 votes in the Senate? Maybe Saunders will change his mind, but that total quisling Lieberrman won't! But who cares: just having a phony Republican (actual Fascist) get impeached would be enough for me. Who knows, another Real Republican, Hagel, might vote to remove!

Commander N Chimp,

Just to set the record straight, Einstein, Representatives and Senators cannot be "impeached". Only officers of the executive and judicial branches are subject to the process. The House of Representatives draws articles of impeachment against an office holder and sends them to the Senate for prosecution. The act of Impeachment is very analogous to indictment.

The trial is in the Senate.

The House and Senate can censure a member and I believe can even eject one for a few transgressions. But it has happened to only five members of the House, three of whom were expelled for supporting Secession. Fifteen Senators have been expelled; fourteen of those were expelled in 1861 for supporting Secession.

There is no mechanism for "recall" or other removal by constituents. So, you're stuck with Pearls at least until next year.

How does the saying go-"bend over and kiss your ass goodbye?"

The problem is, that message is for us from DK and he's laughing his off, likely at this very moment!

So you say we should be afraid, be very afraid-why not be mad, very fucking mad!

At the White House, Press Secretary Dana Perino noted that Congress "has not sent a single appropriations bill to the president's desk this year ... yet they find time to spend an entire work period on futile votes to impeach the vice president. It is this behavior that leaves the American people shaking their head in wonder at this Congress."

Cheney spokeswoman Megan M. Mitchell added, "It is one thing for Congressman Kucinich to use this political ploy in his presidential campaign. It is another thing to do so on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives."

Hoyer issued a statement chiding Republicans for turning the potential impeachment of a vice president into "a petty political game."

Insisting that House leaders have their eye on the ball, he added, "Speaker Pelosi and I have made it clear that this Congress is not going to proceed with impeachment, and is going to focus on critical issues facing our nation, such as healthcare for children and the war in Iraq."

(Here's the smoking gun that it was all smoke and mirrors.) Copied from the LA Times

You know, there's actually an ironic truth to the MSM's and the NY Time's reporting that the Democrats narrowly averted "the embarrassment" of Kucinich's bill to impeach Cheney coming to a floor debate.

Yes, the Democrats avoided the embarrassment of being exposed by floor debate as being a fully complicit enabler and partner with the Republicans in this facade of a two-party 'Vichy government' in our country.

But like the 'Vichy government' in the 1940's, the entire political process and the media are now being recognized as being loyal not to the people of America (or France), but to the corporatist Empire hiding behind those Vichy facades.

Impeach Cheney and Bush ---- and stop the corporatist Empire hiding behind 'Vichy America'.

"Law applied only when convenient, ceases to be Law."

IMPEACH!

Heres a conspiracy theory "what if" for you all. The democratic party has been bought off, and their instructions are to be incompetent so that America sees that they are bafoons and subsequently it decimates the party beyond any credibility. much like the scripted Clinton debacle with monica did. i mean their actions are pretty much beyond any rational logic are they not. any thoughts?

"We must draw clear distinctions between our vision of the future and the extreme policies put forth by the Republicans. We cannot allow Republicans to pretend they share our values and then legislate against those values without consequence." - Nancy Pelosi

What a lying hypocrite.

Umlaut,

Certainly your argument about the unlikelyhood of 18 Repug Senators voting to convict is the conventional wisdom. But if detailed, substantive investigations were actually held by Hon. Conyers and the House Juciciary Committee in the full light of the public eye, the MSM couldn't ignore it, and neither could the average American. If the extent of Cheney's crimes were laid out, including a bona fide Act of Treason against the Government of the USA in the Valerie Plame incident, even many Republican would have to abandon ship. You can't parse Treason. They'd be swept out of office in the next election, and they'd know it.

And even if he were just impeached, and not removed, that would still be sufficient political damage to prevent the Administration from moving forward in their plans to provoke war with Iran.

So, as you said, let's move forward on this. And let's hope for the best.

Right on Dennis! But what a chickenshit Steny Hoyer is. And Pelosi is just a total dumbshit that can't think two minutes ahead of anything. The Republicans, in the arrogance wanted that debate, and the Democrap leadership blinks! Give me a break! I want to see Fascists in Republican jackets defend a Fascist dictator. Let's see them back Cheney blowing a CIA operative's cover, Cheney saying we had to go over to the dark side and use torture, holding secret meetings with the gas and oil industries, tell Senator Leahy to fuck off, twist intelligence, lie to Congresss and the American People about the need to go to war with Iraq.
Let's see these regressive neaderthals support a man with a 9% approval rating, less than half of the pretend Decider.
Rangel, Farr, Miller, De Fazio, Lantos, etc: show some guts and some balls! Blue Dogs: put up or switch parties! and what the hell is Linda Sanchez doing as a Blue Dog?

So from what I gather from taking all of this in is this. They played political chess on the floor yesterday and stale mated the game. The Repugs tried to force the dems hand then the dems rather than picking up the ball and running with it decided to stale mate the chess match by giving it to the judiciary committee who will in turn do nothing. Is that about right? So the end result is Dennis doesnt get talked about on the Katie Couric show, so no recognition or bump for him, and Pelosi continues to get her way, as do the Repugs. So all said and done absolutely nothing accomplished.......

westcoastprogressive,

I did not see anyone else correct your assertion regarding the requirement for conviction on Impeachment, so I will here. According to Clause (6), Section 3, Article I, US Constitution, it requires a two-thirds vote of members present in the senate to convict (regardless of whether it is the president, vice-president, or other officer being impeached). That is what Pelosi has been hanging her hat on from the beginning. The counter-argument has always been that new facts may arise, or be given much more publicity, during the impeachment trial, which would result in such a public outcry that a sufficient number of Republican senators would vote to convict.

leobixby,

Cogent analysis, but I do not think the Dems, Repubs, the corporate media, or anyone else forgets that the majority of the public supports "opposite notions." I think they remember that the military-industrial complex, the Business Roundtable, the Chamber of Commerce, and AIPAC, i.e. the most important constituents, like Bush/Cheney policies just fine.

Pelosi defines Failure

Umlaut,

You are exactly right in my opinion. This impeachment would be the exact opposite of the Clinton impeachment in one crucial respect -- Clinton's divided the country and destroyed the public's faith in our government and the impeachment of Cheney would have precisely the opposite effect.

The argument "look how it divided us before" does not apply at all in this case. In fact, if restoring or eroding public faith in government is the litmus test, impeachment should begin immediately for both Bush and Cheney.

The printed rationale for avoiding impeachment is "we have other good stuff to do for the people."

Well, impeachment is the people's business. I suppose what this means is that we don't want to avert any Congressional energy away from pushing the corporate agenda. The business that must go on, ladies and gentlemen, is business.

Pelosi = Failure

pogo agrees with most comments thus far....likewise, I am also am not deluded. However, it does take a village and a man with "great balls of fire" to quote Mr. Jerry Lee Lewis, to get the cowardly 'pols' off their hindside and as someone in earlier comment said "pissing their pants". We are being held hostage by not only our 'elected officials' but by our very own submission to defeat. We have met the enemy and it is us! I say impeach the bastard(s), build a fire, call the village elders to counsel, and let the good times roll along with their heads....well, that was a nice dream.

Bush and Cheney should be impeached TOGETHER, rather than Cheney alone. An impeachment-free Bush would just pardon Cheney and keep him in the White House even if impeachment led to a Cheney conviction and removal from office. They both need to be taken out at the same time.

Nancy Pelosi's saying she can't be bothered about a conflagration that's destroying the kitchen because she's too busy arranging flowers in the dining room. What a patronizing ass...

By taking impeachment off the table, it's obvious that the Democrats are just waiting with drooling mouths for the "expanded" illegal presidency of GW Bush to come to them in 2009 to solidify an unconstitutional government.

The Preamble to the Constitution says this:

== We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ==

The remaining sections of the Constitution establish how the government will accomplish these bedrock principles.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html

As Bill Moyers says, "The first obligation [of the government] is to defend the people, to defend their freedom, to defend their rights."

That sure isn't what this administration and this Congress are doing. Bush and Cheney may be the ones who originated and engineered the destruction of the Constitution just a few short years ago, but the Democrats have approved and supported it all along in anticipation of their turn at the wheel, with few exceptions.

They have double-crossed America, committed political adultery, and there are not enough words in the English language to adequately christen their treachery against the people AND the Constitutional rights that once were ours and their obligation to protect those rights.

I'm not deluded enough to think that the inevitable final destination for this if it succeeds is a 2/3 majority vote in the Senate, and that no way will 18+ Reps then be saying the same then.

That being said the current situation confuses me as one of the few rationales of this move is that like Clinton, a failed attempt will garner more sympathy then disdain. I disagree there. Clinton and Cheney are apples and oranges. Clinton broke no law except for lying about breaking no law. The country was no worse for the wear, in regards to what happened with Lewinski directly.

Cheney, however, I doubt will get much sympathy for outing spies, war profiteering and the architecture of a preemptive war and a myriad of other charges that have cost lives and taxpayer money.

Other than that, perhaps there's other filth they want shielded from the MSM during a lengthy investigation, or would prefer the dems not be able to work on their current agenda.

Indirectly there was a Clinton "wag the dog" scenario during the Lewinski deal that will probably be far worse with Cheney (not to downplay Clinton's nastiness, mind you)

But I say, lets push this forward. Lets flood the MSM with the admin's dirty laundry. Lets have SNL, Letterman, Leno, and goes without saying, the Daily show be all over this leading up to the next election, and make the war hawks an object of ridicule with no leg to stand on in 08.(on both sides)

After all, social issues will have much greater success if we get the money out of the military industrial complex and back to where it belongs.

The gauntlet has been thrown down here folks. I'm doubling my contribution to Kucinich and pushing on this with calls to my corrupt politicians. The MSM may belittle this effort, but it is remarkable. Everyone must treat this just like we are in the fight of our lives. We MUST turn the tide in this country; there isn't much time. This is a moment to stand up and do something to stop the slide into the abyss. It might not work, but we should give it our best and remember who stood for impeachment and who stood with the war criminals. Visualize Pelosi on trial.

thanks dennis, for making those simpering little girls up in the house, squirm and pee in their pantys.

Thank you Dennis Kucinich for bringing to light for the American people just how inept and weak the Democratic Party is. Unfortunately, you are attached to it, if not through your high ideals and standards but through name association. They couldn't scramble and hide fast enough to prove once again that the Democrats are the lackies of the corporate Republican masters. Perhaps it's time to get out of that cesspool of a party and spread your wings.

1.) If your representative is not yet a co-sponsor of HR 333, call his/her office and ask WHEN (not IF) he/she will support the resolution. I did this last summer before Rep. Keith Ellison signed on, and I believe it took the staff member in his home office by surprise (at any rate, the staff member was temporarily at a loss for words).

2.) Anyone who would like to e-mail Rep. Kucinich but does not live in his district should try using the address below in the House of Representatives webform (it is the address for the county fairgrounds in his district, which I found after much internet research):

164 Eastland Road
Berea, OH 44017

I used this address two days ago, and it worked! In the text of my message, I included my actual address.

3.) If you live in Rep. Conyers's district and have the address of a well-known public place that can be used in the HoR webform, please share it!

4.) NOTE TO CINDY SHEEHAN: If you read this posting, please share a public address or addresses in House Speaker Pelosi's district for the same purpose (during the summer, someone on this list mentioned that messages in the "American Voices" e-mailbox are not opened).

FYI, following are my messages to Rep. Kucinich and the House Committee on the Judiciary:

* * *

(Sent Tuesday, 11/6 after the vote.)

Dear House Committee on the Judiciary:

On Monday, November 5, 2007, I sent the message below the asterisks to
Reps. Dennis Kucinich (author of HR 333) and Keith Ellison, my
representative and a co-sponsor of HR 333.

Without liberty and justice FOR ALL, we are at high risk of becoming an
official fascist state, and eventually an occupied nation. Deprived of an intact and honored U.S. Constitution, the American flag becomes devoid of meaning and patriotism will surely die.

Please join Rep. Kucinich and the co-sponsors of HR 333 by acting with
exemplary courage: send HR 333 to the floor for a vote. NOW IS THE TIME. The longer the legislative branch waits, the more we risk an offensive attack on Iran and domestic martial law.

Thank you for your serious consideration of this request.

* * *

Dear Representative Kucinich:

This message is sent on behalf of the many Americans who support
impeachment of the current federal executive branch. We want very much to save the nation, but know that in order for this to happen peacefully, we need the U.S. House of Representatives (and eventually the U.S. Senate) to act.

We wish you success on November 6, 2007, and will support you in this
endeavor in every way humanly possible.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other U.S. representatives affected by
"Beltway syndrome" must understand that those who resist reform when it is most needed only encourage totalitarianism. . .or revolution.
Historically, revolution is usually not kind to those in positions of
power who refused necessary reforms.

We thank you for your courage, and wish you strength and peace. May
American's honor be someday restored.

American Democracy is on the death path.
Republicans support a fast death.
Democrats support a slow death.
Death is death either way.
This is your only choice in the next election.
Jabbing the death tokens is good sport.
Jab John Conyers here: John.Conyers@mail.house.gov

PUH-LEEZ, it'll never happen......

EVERYONE CALL JOHN CONYERS' OFFICE TODAY!
(202) 225-5126
John.Conyers@mail.house.gov
http://www.house.gov/conyers/

2426 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-5126
(202) 225-0072 Fax

2615 W. Jefferson
Trenton, MI 48183
(734) 675-4084
(734) 675-4218 Fax

And when the Republicans pulled their little stunt in voting for the article to be debated, a truly savvy Democratic leader, if she saw the opportunity, would have switched gears and supported the debate.

THAT is not what the Republicans want. And that would have opened the window to all kinds of criminal activity being exposed.

Why they wouldn't take advantage of the opportunity is a mystery. They're just truly inept..

And of course, I think Pelosi is friends with Cheney and Bush.. at least she dines with them, so....

It's time for Mrs. Conyers to give Mr. John Conyers an ultimatum.

So I was looking at the role call for the motion to table, and saw my brave "Democratic" rape-resentative voting aye. Bastard! Then I noticed that on the motion to refer the resolution to the judiciary committee that he again voted aye. I also noticed that he is a member of the judiciary committee. So I wonders to myself "what is this weaselly little prick up to here"?

I sent the little weasel an email insisting that he do his duty and uphold the constitution, I managed much righteous indignation over the crimes of Mr. Cheney and the abysmal failures of the Dim majority in congress. But I do not hold out much hope. I am fairly certain that Mr Conyers and the others on the judiciary committee will bury HR 333 in committee.

Still we need to try, I will continue to send emails and make phone calls to my rep, and to Conyers, and I will do my best to get others in my district to do the same. And perhaps we can get them to do their jobs before it is too late, for I fear that if this administration is not brought to heel before the end of their term our faux-democracy will have made the shift completely to a fascist state. Then again perhaps we are already there, we will see.

Quality time said: "What a joke! For this we voted in the Democrats? All we got was another clear demonstration of their ineptitude. Vote Republican, my friends, if you want to get things done. At the least, vote to get these yahoos out of office so we can get on with our empire-building."

This is not a joke. Cynicism about Democrats is OK, but this should NEVER result in support for Republicans. The only thing that can replace Democrats is either other Democrats, Independents or Greens.
Please leave the Republicans, they have caused enough damage. They are finished.

Impeachment sounds just peachy, when you consider the broad with the cigar and that rather innocent old man hanky panky shenanigans with the Mossad maiden Lewinsky. It's a side-show to give gullible amerikans the last dying impression that they live in a "demokracy". Dream on you poor deluded fools as the road to Armageddon gets paved. It's all part of the pre-season same party no agenda mousocracy run up to your next "elections".

"Impeaching Cheney" when they should be carting the thug off in leg irons to a chain gang in the boonies where the brute was spawned.

Here is my letter to John Conyers, emailed this morning (Wednesday):

Dear Representative Conyers,

Several years ago, when the Democrats were a minority, I
watched CSPAN as you heroically held non-official hearings,off-site, concerning the impeachment of Bush and Cheney.

I appreciate all of the work you have done to uphold the rule of law in the Department of Justice.

I appreciate your respectful, wise,calm, fair demeanor.

I was distraught to learn that several months ago, you turned away protesters representing the millions of
Americans clamoring to see the president and vice-president
impeached. It is difficult to get accurate news this days, but this is the version I heard. I was distraught because it seemed that you no longer believed in the cause you supported when you held non-official hearings on impeachment years ago. This made me question the core
and will of the man I so respected. To my eyes, it appears, and I beg you to prove me wrong, that your turn away from the urgency of impeachment has to to with the larger Democratic strategy to keep your heads low until the 2008 elections, when the party, in possession of the
executive and legislative branch, will effect "real changes."

However, the time for change is now, not 2008. By refusing
impeachment, a far more legitimate cause than it was in 1998, the Democratic party is demonstrating to all Americans that it does not respect the Constitution or the rule of law. The progressive base is especially hurt and alienated by this non-action.

Please reconsider and hold real, thorough hearings on impeachment in the Judiciary Committee, as soon as humanly possible. The Constitution has been ripped to shreds, and it is the duty of the House to hold those responsible for the shredding accountable.

Karlof,

I'm afraid it's all too clear how the MSM will handle this.

Not a single word of mention of any of this on CNN, NY Times, or NBC/MSNBC.

Some buried entries on Washington Post.com. The only snafu by the Post is that they have a section on the page titled "Most popular." So, the impeachment blurb, though buried in the site, still managed to make it to the top of the "most viewed" links.

Most interestingly, but not surprisingly, the only network site on which any mention of this could be found -- Fox News.

So, it certainly appears that the Democratic Party "leaders" (what they are leading is anyone's guess at this point) have the MSM completely locked down except for the channels that are out of reach.

I actually find the lack of coverage of this a bit shocking. It obviously sells. The dominant theory has been the MSM is in it for profit.

Well, the profit in this case is in pushing this story, as it is juicy as all shit. So, I think the profit theory has some serious holes in it now.

The person we most need to send our support to (and prayers for) is Mr. John Conyers, the chair of the Judiciary committee. It will take courage above and beyond the call of duty for him to see this thing through. But America is hurting and we sorely need him to. How can we show him we're worthy of the sacrifices he would have to make?

"Impeachment is not on our agenda. We have some major priorities. We need to focus on those," Hoyer told Fox News.

In the class war, capital and people have two conflicting agendas. Hoyer is covering for the vice-president as they both represent capital. Kucinich represents people.

3 facts about John Wayne:
1. He never served in the military.
2. Every day at work he put on make up.
3. His real first name was Marion.

Anyway, Dennis is one 'ornery hombre. He'll ride them no good varmints the hell outta dodge!

Yippie-o-tay-hey, Dick, you motherfucker. We, the people, are coming after your sorry ass, and Sheriff Kucinich has got a rope.

Support the posse with cold, hard cash at:
http://www.dennis4president.com

Does anyone know if an impeachment proceeding gives Congress strong investigatory and subpoena powers. I mean the evidence from the public record is strong enough , but couldn't this backfire on Republicans in a big way if the Dems could use it to pull away the veil of "executive privilege.. What if the Dems came out and said, well we thought an impeachment proceeding would hurt the country but since the Republicans insist we intend to show that Mr Cheney should be impeached.

The dems are focused on campaign money so fat chance, but It would be so dramatic it could actually work. The record here is a lot uglier than John Roberts. It could certainly stall the Iran game, which already looks pretty stupid since Pakistan is making Iran look like a haven for the rule of law.

I mean all of us know George Bush couldn't run a dishwasher let alone America. This is Cheney's government and he is the chief architect of the wars, the torture, the spying, the extraditions. He has negated the fundamental balance of power between the executive, judicial and legislative branches, under the dictatorial and fabricated doctrine of the unitary executive. His criminal lies and unconstitutional abuses of power have shamed America before the world, and cost many precious lives, and he would not look as good in an impeachment hearing as the republicans seem to think.

Americans hate this war and this government, public opinion has brought down Rumsfeld and got very close to Rove, and did in Gonzales.

Do it again, Dennis. Then let all co-sponsors take turns setting it up every day for as long as it takes.

Thank you, Dennis! Don't give up -- make them do this every freakin day. If we have to shame the democrats into their role as opposition party, fine. We, the people can all switch to green in case they aren't getting the message.

mjolnir;

Perhaps you would prefer ... John Wayne? He was a tall macho man's man. Except his.. uh.. his.. you know, his... was reportedly very small. I mean, admittedly, that shouldn't be important but you seem to think size matters your men.

Thank you Dennis!! Enough said!!

Those of you who LOVE to generalize about All Democrats seem to forget that many helped Dennis with their votes ...

papiowhisperer ... I think they have all been threatened ... including Hagel and Warner ... two dissenting & now retiring members of the "ruling" party!!

Email address for Rep. Conyers http://judiciary.house.gov/Contact.aspx

Email address for Rep. Pelosi
http://www.speaker.gov/contact

Give them HELL !!!!

What happened to lawmakers that had guts? Fire Pelosi for no guts in ridding the country of the dictatorship of cheney and bush; fire Feinstein for caving-in to bush and agreeing to the bush sponsored, puppet AG who is unsure water-boarding is torture. Folks, what happened to the masses forcing issues like what was done during the days of vietnam? If we choose to not make changes, then we are accpting of the outcome.

Go Dennis!!!

get on your phones - and contact your Rep to support them if they helped, berate them if they didn't.

Let's get on this!

On the site showing how each representative (sic) voted, Pricess Chicken Nancy's vote is unrecorded, even as a non voter. How did she suppress her vote?

I spent some time trying to figure out what went on from the roll call. Apparently the vote to table would have killed it. (Of course my gutless alleged Dem Rep voted for that) The Dems would have killed it but the Repugs kept it open, apparently to embarrass the Dems.

The second vote, to send it to the Judiciary Committee sounded reasonable to me, and I was surprised to see Kuchinich vote against it. Then I found out that if they had kept it on the floor, it would have been openly debated. By sending it to Judiciary, it will just die in committee and that will be that.

So, it passed and hundreds of alleged Democrats heaved huge sighs of relief, as they would not have to debate it or make a decision. They just gave it to Conyers, who after sniffing Pelosi's butt, will see that it dies in committee.

Will somebody tell me what we worked so hard for? Democrats? Constitution? Rights of Man? Oh, sorry, megabucks to stay in office. I see. To coin a phrase,
ARRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!

mastershake, the first vote was on whether or not to table HR 799, "A resolution raising a question of the privileges of the House." (impeachment proceedings)

The second vote was about "whether [or not] to vote on whether [or not] the resolution should be sent to the Judiciary Committee. That passed 218-194.

The third vote was the actual vote on "whether [or not] to send the resolution to the Judiciary Committee." That vote passed by 218-194.

The bill is now on its way to the House Judiciary Committee. A spokeswoman for the House Judiciary Committee released a press release late in the day: http://judiciary.house.gov/newscenter.aspx?A=880

Basically, they're saying that the Judiciary Committee has more important and less complex items to work on over the next two weeks. I say "less complex" because it doesn't take much thought at all to just cave in to "his petulancy" and give the farm away.

Chairman Conyers probably won't be putting impeachment hearings on the Judiciary's calendar.

Hope that helps, and if my interpretation is wrong, I apologize in advance.

yes help Kucinich...send money to and support his bid for President!

Impeach Cheney? Cheney belongs in a jail cell, along with the rest of this sorry excuse for an administration! The American people should be suing Cheney, and everyone else in the White House!

BRAVO, DENNIS!!! For your courage and integrity. With reference to Cindy's comments above, I am sending Dennis more $$ today!! With the majority of democrats (including my 'democratic' congressman -ugh!) refusing to hold criminals in the White House accountable and stop the damage to our country and the world, I will only support someone like Dennis, who understands what it means to be a "public servant". If you want to hear my song about Dennis, go to YouTube[dot]com/sharmuse. Peace to y'all!

Dennis is "The Man"

"Our committee is very busy - over the next half a month, we really truly absotively hope to pass a law about more security, a vote to slap someone on the wrist, a law about prisoners, another security law and a variety of other crap.
We are much too occupied. We cannot do something important."

Where is the San Francisco Green party on this? Back Sheehan to pressure Pelosi to pressure Conyers to move forward not backward.
Send it to Sheehan! (I got dibs on that).

Now is the time to call Congress: Congress toll free numbers
1-800-828-0498, 1-800-862-5530, 1-800-833-6354
Those of us faithfully paying attention to this very crucial moment have to keep whittling away at the dead tree-house. The more that HR 333 gets exposure the greater the chance it will gain momentum and start peeling the corners of the media tent. People will begin to join in the drama. The more numbers of people, the less fear to support this necessary move.

karlof1, you are right, thanks for pointing out my error. Conyers did in fact vote NAY to table the resolution.

I still feel that Conyers can "protect" the resolution from ever coming up for discussion in the House Judiciary Committee. I just wrote him a letter and sent it to the House Judiciary Committee's website at: http://judiciary.house.gov/Contact.aspx

Conyers' press release after the votes is elsewhere on that site. I see it as an attempt at CYA; the Republicans called the Democrats' bluff, and they folded like deck chairs on the sinking Titanic.

I think I understand. No one can be impeached unless they are caught lying to the grand jury.
Just lying and getting people killed does not matter. Nor does incompetance.
They would all be kicked out of office and the politicans have better things to do with their time. Courting special interests overseas comes to mind.
Who created this system where everyone is accountible and unredemable if you are making under $50,000 a year?

Why do the morons Bush and Cheney keep repeating the stupid, tired lie that "We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here."

When did Iraqis plan to attack the world's superpower??

i'm not following. What was the first vote, and what was the second vote, and what is the current status of the "bill?"

Can someone briefly explain? Thanks

and they wonder why their approval ratings are barely hovering above 20%

Talking to the people in the white house
is as useless as farting into the wind.

karlof1, thanks for the clarification, but as crazy as things are, one would have to ask, "how close is close?"...Close enough to keep one from declaring a state of emergency, etc, or worse, before the hammer comes down on him?
In Foreign Affairs mag, recent, there was a small article in the back concerning the sworn duty of the big Brass/ Chiefs of Staff, to ...not obey illegal orders... as is in their oath of office.
Amazingly, the writers concluded that in the modern world there was stuff that was just too important or secret for them to know about before they carried out an order from the cic, and so, gosh, it wasn't their job any more to make that call, but just to carry out the orders.
Now, just because these two ( backed by Powell ) say so doesn't make it so, but it shows you how thin the ice is.
As incredible as it may be, and inspite of the oaths of every one of our General and commissioned officers, there may be now no level of command at which the responsibility to determine an illegal order exists. I would be delighted to know otherwise, but am not optimistic.
Peace.

Nice to see the only honest candidate in the Presidential election(Congressman Paul of Texas) voting to impeach the scoundrel Cheney. What's up with th e13 democrats who didn't vote? and the 7 repubs. These guys don't seem to be doing what we voted them into office to do.

Have you all forgotten?

This last July, a large number of people (including the independent candidate for California's 8th District Congress seat) attempted to convince Conyers at his office to pursue impeachment. All they got was arrested, and slandered with ridiculous accusations of racism...

Conyers fully supports the Pelosi position.

Three cheers for Dennis Kucinich! He is 'The People's Politician!

Nancy Pelosi has turned her back on her constituents and the majority of citizens of these United States. When she was a plain Congresswoman, Nancy was good in most of her voting on issues, but ever since she fought for the position of Speaker of the House, she reneged and betrayed the people. It's almost like having dual personalities or a Jekyll and Hyde persona, not knowing what the other did last night.

Cindy baby, may you beat Pelosi next year and be the 'people's' Congresswoman from San Francisco.

I agree with Cindy. We should all rush Dennis some money. Ron Paul is not going to make it in the long term, but Dennis will be there for us no matter what happens.

hey! maybe our legislators can fight over here so we don't have to fight over there!

Impeach!

The first coup by Richard Cheney occurred on 911 when for some unexplained reason, the vice president was rushed into the control room as commander in chief and the president was left as a sitting duck in a classroom when we were obviously under attack. Who in the secret service made that call? Or who is really in charge?

The contempt of congress as well as the many violations of the Constitution should give the judiciary committee plenty to talk about. The republicans may have miscalculated on this one. I believe Mr, Conyers would love nothing more than to begin an impeachment investigation.

Paul: Or maybe the other way. Pelosi and her husband may be worth $100 million+. According to the Wikipedia, she's among the richest members of Congress. It may be that the politics of Bush's Base trumps the politics of Americans. Expect no impeachments served on her table.

The Republicans do NOT want to debate this issue. They would then be forced into defending Dick Cheney, which most of them very much do not want to do, as it would then ally them to the most despised man in America, and they know it. Sending it to the Judiciary Committee was their way of killing it, and thus killing debate. The Dems look like losers, and the Repubs don't even have to wash their hands. Smooth move.

Spineless, schmineless. They're crooks.

Pelosi probably got a fat envelope from Cheney and Rove the day after the '06 elections.

snydly--an interesting observation that can be dealt with easilly by bringing forth an impeachment bill against Bush before articles of impeachment on Cheney are delivered to the full House. Thus they can be tried in rapid succession.