Former US Intelligence Officers: On Mukasey and Waterboarding
Twenty-four former intelligence and national security officials delivered an urgent message yesterday morning to the chairman and the ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, calling on them to hold the nomination of Judge Michael Mukasey for attorney general until he states his opinion on the legality of waterboarding.
Their message strongly endorsed the view of former judge advocates general that waterboarding "is inhumane, is torture, is illegal." The intelligence veterans added that it is also a notoriously unreliable way to acquire accurate information.
They noted that the factors cited by the president and Mukasey as obstacles to his giving an opinion on waterboarding can be easily solved by briefing Mukasey on waterboarding and on C.I.A. interrogation methods.
The former intelligence officials pointed out that during their careers they frequently had to walk the thin line between morality and expediency, all the while doing their best to abide by the values the majority of Americans have held in common over the years. They appealed to Senators Patrick Leahy and Arlen Specter to rise to the occasion and discharge their responsibility to defend those same values.
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November 5, 2007
MEMORANDUM FOR: Chairman and Ranking Member
Senate Committee on the Judiciary
FROM: Former U.S. Intelligence Officers
SUBJECT: Nomination of Michael Mukasey for Attorney General
Dear Senators Leahy and Specter,
Values that are extremely important to us as former intelligence officers are at stake in your committee's confirmation deliberations on Judge Michael Mukasey. With hundreds of years of service in sensitive national security activities behind us, we are deeply concerned that your committee may move his nomination to the full Senate without insisting that Mukasey declare himself on whether he believes the practice of waterboarding is legal.
We feel this more acutely than most others, for in our careers we have frequently had to navigate the delicate balance between morality and expediency, all the while doing our best to abide by the values the vast majority of Americans hold in common. We therefore believe we have a particular moral obligation to speak out. We can say it no better than four retired judge advocates general (two admirals and two generals) who wrote you over the weekend, saying: "Waterboarding is inhumane, it is torture, and it is illegal."
Judge Mukasey's refusal to comment on waterboarding, on grounds that it would be "irresponsible" to provide "an uninformed legal opinion based on hypothetical facts and circumstances," raises serious questions. There is nothing hypothetical or secret about the fact that waterboarding was used by U.S. intelligence officers as an interrogation technique before the Justice Department publicly declared torture "abhorrent" in a legal opinion in December 2004. But after Alberto Gonzales became attorney general in February 2005, Justice reportedly issued a secret memo authorizing harsh physical and psychological tactics, including waterboarding, which were approved for use in combination. A presidential executive order of July 20, 2007 authorized "enhanced interrogation techniques" that had been banned for use by the U.S. Army. Although the White House announced that the order provides "clear rules" to govern treatment of detainees, the rules are classified, so defense attorneys, judges, juries-and even nominee Mukasey-can be prevented from viewing them.
Those are some of the "facts and circumstances." They are not hypothetical; and there are simple ways for Judge Mukasey to become informed, which we propose below.
Last Thursday, President George W. Bush told reporters it was unfair to ask Mukasey about interrogation techniques about which he had not been briefed. "He doesn't know whether we use that technique [waterboarding] or not," the president said. Judge Mukasey wrote much the same in his October 30 letter, explaining that he was unable to give an opinion on the legality of waterboarding because he doesn't know whether it is being used: "I have not been made aware of the details of any interrogation program to the extent that any such program may be classified and thus do not know what techniques may be involved in any such program." Whether or not the practice is currently in use by U.S. intelligence, it should in fact be easy for him to respond. All he need do is find out what waterboarding is and then decide whether he considers it legal.
The conundrum created to justify the nominee's silence on this key issue is a synthetic one. It is within your power to resolve it readily. If Mukasey continues to drag his feet, you need only to facilitate a classified briefing for him on waterboarding and the C.I.A. interrogation program. He will then be able to render an informed legal opinion. We strongly suggest that you sit in on any such briefing and that you invite the chairman and the ranking member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence to take part as well. Receiving the same briefing at the same time (and, ideally, having it taped) should enhance the likelihood of candor and make it possible for all to be-and to stay-on the same page on this delicate issue.
If the White House refuses to allow such a briefing, your committee must, in our opinion, put a hold on Mukasey's nomination. We are aware that the president warned last week that it will be either Mukasey as our attorney general or no one. So be it. It is time to stand up for what is right and require from the Executive the information necessary for the Senate to function responsibly and effectively. It would seem essential not to approve a nominee who has already made clear he is reluctant to ask questions of the White House. How can a person with that attitude even be proposed to be our chief law enforcement officer?
We strongly urge that you not send Mukasey's nomination to the full Senate before he makes clear his view on waterboarding. Otherwise, there is considerable risk of continued use of the officially sanctioned torture techniques that have corrupted our intelligence services, knocked our military off the high moral ground, severely damaged our country's standing in the world, and exposed U.S. military and intelligence people to similar treatment when captured or kidnapped. One would think that Judge Mukasey would want to be briefed on these secret interrogation techniques and to clarify where he stands.
The most likely explanation for Mukasey's reticence is his concern that, should his conscience require him to condemn waterboarding, this could cause extreme embarrassment and even legal jeopardy for senior officials-this time not just for the so-called "bad apples" at the bottom of the barrel. We believe it very important that the Senate not acquiesce in his silence-and certainly not if, as seems the case, he is more concerned about protecting senior officials than he is in enforcing the law and the Constitution.
It is important to get beyond shadowboxing on this key issue. In our view, condoning Mukasey's evasiveness would mean ignoring fundamental American values and the Senate's constitutional prerogative of advice and consent.
At stake in your committee and this nomination are questions of legality, morality, and our country's values. And these are our primary concerns as well. As professional intelligence officers, however, we must point to a supreme irony-namely, that waterboarding and other harsh interrogation practices are ineffective tools for eliciting reliable information. Our own experience dovetails well with that of U.S. Army intelligence chief, Maj. Gen. John Kimmons, who told a Pentagon press conference on September 6, 2006: "No good intelligence is going to come from abusive practices. I think history tells us that. I think the empirical evidence of the last five years, hard years, tells us that."
Speaking out so precisely and unequivocally took uncommon courage, because Kimmons knew that just across the Potomac President Bush would be taking quite a different line at a press conference scheduled to begin as soon as Kimmons finished his. At the White House press conference focusing on interrogation techniques, the president touted the success that the C.I.A. was having in extracting information from detainees by using an "alternative set of procedures." He said these procedures had to be "tough," in order to deal with particularly recalcitrant detainees who "had received training on how to resist interrogation" and had "stopped talking."
The Undersigned
(Official duties refer to former government work.)
Brent Cavan
Intelligence Analyst, Directorate of Intelligence, CIA
Ray Close
Directorate of Operations, CIA for 26 years-22 of them overseas; former Chief of Station, Saudi Arabia
Ed Costello
Counter-espionage, FBI
Michael Dennehy
Supervisory Special Agent for 32 years, FBI; U.S. Marine Corps for three years
Rosemary Dew
Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI
Philip Giraldi
Operations officer and counter-terrorist specialist, Directorate of Operations, CIA
Michael Grimaldi
Intelligence Analyst, Directorate of Intelligence, CIA; Federal law enforcement officer
Mel Goodman
Division Chief, Directorate of Intelligence, CIA; Professor, National Defense University; Senior Fellow, Center for International Policy
Larry Johnson
Intelligence analysis and operations officer, CIA; Deputy Director, Office of Counter Terrorism, Department of State
Richard Kovar
Executive Assistant to the Deputy Director for Intelligence, CIA: Editor, Studies In Intelligence
Charlotte Lang
Supervisory Special Agent, FBI
W. Patrick Lang
U.S. Army Colonel, Special Forces, Vietnam; Professor, U.S. Military Academy, West Point; Defense Intelligence Officer for Middle East, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA); founding director, Defense HUMINT Service
Lynne Larkin
Operations Officer, Directorate of Operations, CIA; counterintelligence; coordination among intelligence and crime prevention agencies; CIA policy coordination staff ensuring adherence to law in operations
Steve Lee
Intelligence Analyst for terrorism, Directorate of Intelligence, CIA
Jon S. Lipsky
Supervisory Special Agent, FBI
David MacMichael
Senior Estimates Officer, National Intelligence Council, CIA; History professor; Veteran, U.S. Marines (Korea)
Tom Maertens
Foreign Service Officer and Intelligence Analyst, Department of State; Deputy Coordinator for Counter-terrorism, Department of State; National Security Council (NSC) Director for Non-Proliferation
James Marcinkowski
Operations Officer, Directorate of Operations, CIA by way of U.S. Navy
Mary McCarthy
National Intelligence Officer for Warning; Senior Director for Intelligence Programs, National Security Council
Ray McGovern
Intelligence Analyst, Directorate of Intelligence, CIA; morning briefer, The President's Daily Brief ; chair of National Intelligence Estimates; Co-founder, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
Sam Provance
U.S. Army Intelligence Analyst, Germany and Iraq (Abu Ghraib); Whistleblower
Coleen Rowley
Special Agent and attorney, FBI; Whistleblower on the negligence that facilitated the attacks of 9/11.
Joseph Wilson
Foreign Service Officer; Chargé d'Affairs, Iraq (1990); Ambassador to Gabon and Sao Tome/Principe; Senior Director for African Affairs, NSC
Valerie Plame Wilson
Operations officer, Directorate of Operations, CIA
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16 Comments so far
Show AllAlexLawyer,
We shouldn't close Guantanamo; we should transfer the current detainees to appropriate, lawfully constituted facilities and arrest Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Gates, McConnell, Mueller, Wolfowitz and the rest of the gang and send them there.
I disagree. The only fitting place for these people is at the Hague. Guantanamo should be opened to the public so pepole may experience for themselves the sick barbarity of this regime, in the same way that Auschwicz serves as a permanent reminder of the horrors perpetrated by the Nazis.
The dude is a job candidate - Mukasey successfully mocked the Senate Judiciary Committee, as if already hired; Schumer (his early advocate) and Feinstein abetted a charade.
Is waterboarding torture?
Retired Judge Mukasey refuses to comment:
It would be "irresponsible" to provide "an uninformed legal opinion based on hypothetical facts and circumstances"
Slippery as an eel. And much more difficult to say than "No"
If someone were to ask if it's wrong to chop-off a suspect's fingers?
It would be "irresponsible" to provide "an uninformed legal opinion based on hypothetical facts and circumstances"
Will he protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America?
It would be "irresponsible" to provide "an uninformed legal opinion based on hypothetical facts and circumstances"
We shouldn't close Guantanamo; we should transfer the current detainees to appropriate, lawfully constituted facilities and arrest Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Gates, McConnell, Mueller, Wolfowitz and the rest of the gang and send them there.
And the Senate that has already vouchsafed us Ashcroft, Gonzales, Alito, Roberts, Rumsfeld, Rice and others should finally do its duty and reject this dangerous nominee.
I suppose we should console ourselves with the fact that Mukasey refused to just lie like his brethren in Bushland. He could have said that he believes that waterboarding is torture and he believes that we don't torture. Then when he is caught in his 'lie' he can claim that he never said it. It's worked for other members of this administration. Why not Mukasey? The Dems are notorious for caving to Bush, so why not with Mukasey too? Is he afraid that the chickens might actually come home to roost on this one? Does this mean that things actually ARE beginning to turn around and this administration is beginning to believe that this congress has some power? Why else wouldn't Mukasey just lie and thumb his nose at Congress?
Arvy
Re It's either a second American Revolution or surrender.
BOHICA!
If Mukasy doesn't know what waterboarding is, let him view it. It was shown last night on TV. Two hooded men holding down a man who had a black cloth on his mouth. They kept pouring cups of water on the black cloth while the man struggled.
The video shouldn't be hard for Mukasy to locate. He shouldn't be confirmed until he sees it. Then he can say whether it is torture or not.
If he says it isn't torture, he has no right to act as Attorney General. This is still a nation of laws, no matter what Bush thinks.
[quote]NoChicagoBoys November 6th, 2007 1:38 pm --
Me: "I can't be believe he'd do something like that. I feel like I'm living in 1930s Germany."
Schumer's Aide: "You're not alone. Many of us here feel that way."[/quote]
If they're not listening to their own aides, it would seem pretty obvious that they're not listening to their constituents either.
Surely, by now, it should be abundantly clear to the general public that representative government in the "greatest democracy on earth" is DEAD!
And it should be at least equally clear that such a totally corrupted sytem cannot and will not be fixed by playing the game in accordance with the rules set by the corrupters. In fact, voting as a mere exercise in choosing between candidates selected on the basis of their obligations and commitments to those corrupters is an unwarranted endorsement to say the least.
It's either a second American Revolution or surrender.
Feinstein's husband is a war-profiteer, but I'm not sure exactly why Schumer caved. His reasoning, as laid out in a letter to the NY Times this morning, seemed pretty weak.
Torture is now mainstream politics.
Also, another poster (yet, again, on another site), answered my inquiry as to why both Schumer and Feinstein caved, after surmising that they're probably both beholden to AIPAC and Israel, and have discarded the oath they took to obey and uphold the Constitution of the United States.
The person responded that, "Feinstein's husband is a partner with Carlyle in a huge military contracting corporation. She has always been a necon [sic]. You don't think they would take over the media and the GOP and neglect the Democrats, do you?"
'Nuff said.
Torture is Un-American. This administration has no problem with torture. Therefore, this administration is Un-American.
QED
I asked permission from a poster, to another site, whether I could re-print and share his (her?) conversation with Senator Schumer's office. I was told, "share away". Here it is. Read it and weep.
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I called Schumer's office late yesterday afternoon to verify that he was indeed supporting Mukasey's nomination. This is the conversation that ensued:
Me: "I am one of Senator Schumer's constituents, is he really going to support Mukasey's nomination?"
Schumer's Aide: "Yes, the Senator is."
Me: "I can't be believe he'd do something like that. I feel like I'm living in 1930s Germany."
Schumer's Aide: "You're not alone. Many of us here feel that way."
Me (now stunned by this unexpected candor): "Uh, yeah? Well, if we don't stop the Bush administration now, when will we stop the neo-cons?"
Schumer's Aide: "We won't."
(Long pause.)
Me: "Oh."
Schumer's Aide: "I'd be happy to pass on your thoughts to the Senator. We've rec'd many calls like this."
Me: "Yes, please do. Bye."
How are we going to end this folks? How?
Everyone's who's spent even a modicum of their time looking at what's going down here now understands that the neo-conservative agenda is to dismantle the Constitution. Even the aides in the Senate (apparently) are despairing about it.
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Mukasey would never get approval if there were opposition parties in Congress. Unfortunately we have the Dims instead. They should change their symbol from a jackass to a caveman because they can be counted on to cave,
Mukasey, like Bush, has been living in a vacuum. Didn't Bush say, "We do not torture."? Must not be any waterboard torture going on then. How would Mukasey, who is taking his cues from the handlers of Bush, have any chance of knowing that such a secret method of torture was being used anywhere in the whole wide world. Come on Toto!
I propose a change in strategy. Rather than taking the terrorists to Gitmo for waterboarding, we should take them to Disney World for knee-boarding. The 'Disney magic' and the fun of knee-boarding will warm the terrorists cold hearts and compell them to give us intelligence.
PROTEST VIGIL - TUESDAY, NOV 6th, 6:00 pm
at Senator Schumer's residence:
9 Prospect Park West (corner of President Street in Park Slope)
I'll be there!
I am sorely disappointed in Senator Schumer's decision to back the nomination of Michael Mukasey for Attorney General. His capitulation to the continued crimes of the Bush administration leaves me no choice but to place my allegiances elsewhere in coming elections.
He always seemed to me to be a man of honesty and integrity, but actions speak louder than words.