moonraven "Condolences... she is also a Professional Kike. A firing squad is too good for scum like her."

All Niggers and Kike should be sent to the gas chambers. Hail moonraven.

I assume in Halloween you dressed as a ghost with a white pointy hat.

Perhaps Bushieboys whore (oops Condi) has been tapping toes with the judge.Where in the hell did all these assholes come from? Not a neo-nazi in the whole group will be able to travel to another country for fear of being arrested for war crimes. Now lets break it down for Bushieboy. Dee da ne ma co hoo.

Hooray! Three pips!

"The government's refusal to comply with a subpoena in these circumstances may result in dismissal or a lesser sanction," he wrote.

Now, what do you think the outcome will be? What a joke!

"[Judge Ellis] held out little hope that he could be persuaded by administration efforts to block the subpoenas. 'The government's refusal to comply with a subpoena in these circumstances may result in dismissal or a lesser sanction,' he wrote."

So if the administration refuses to let Condoleezza Rice, Elliott Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, and the others testify, the AIPAC spies walk! "Please, please, don't throw me into that briarpatch, Brer Bear!"

I really wondered how they were going to get AIPAC off the hook for this one, but this is just too easy. How difficult was it to get the trial assigned to a cooperative judge?

I will bet the court dismisses the case.

Makes my day! Glad to hear it! Finally!

May all involved be found guilty of espionage and AIPAC banned as the tool of a foreign government.

Fat chance though.

temple, how did African-Americans get into this issue? Dr. Death Rice is Israel's ho. The slimeball should not be included in any middle-east affairs since she's so biased and doesn't even pretend to be neutral.

Watch these Bush administration weasels pretend to not remember when they are called upon to testify in court. They should be held in contempt of court if they continue to use the "I don't recall" mantra.

Business as usual. No surprises here, the bush crew will skate again, count on it. Lets all vote in this next election (while we still can) and get these delusional elephants out of our system - and keep them out.

Given Condyloma Rice's history of incessant prevarication, maybe she should be waterboarded in court. After all, it's constitutional and not torture, according to her own statements.

those who use foul and demeaning language areno betterthan the persons they denigrate and against whom they protest. Why lower yourself to the level against which you protest? Be better than tht, or they.

Will refusal to comply with this subpoena be considered as Anti-Semetic?

This mainstream media account is too sketchy for the public to make out what is going on and properly respond to defend the public interests from the parasitic AIPAC.

Take a close look at the AIPAC merry-go-round. The United States gives an absurd amount of foreign aid to Israel. In fact, the average Israeli receives more U.S. tax dollars than the average U.S. citizen. In return, AIPAC funnels back hefty donations to U.S. politicians. Cut off foreign aid to Israel and this whole dog and pony show would disappear overnight. That is not likely to happen, however, since our elected representatives woud be loath to give up this lucrative kickback.

lillulu "how did African-Americans get into this issue? "

Condoleezza Rice is an African American.

When someone call an African American - Kike, and suggest that "A firing squad is too good for scum like her...." (Notice the usage of the word LIKE her, not her specifically or her actions) I would assume that this person believe that being a Kike (Jew) is reason enough to be called scum, and deserved for a fate worse than a firing squad.

The other logical conclusion is that this person think that African Americans are scum who deserve a fate worth than a firing squad.

I'm all hope that moonraven is not a racist, and that his / hers racist word choice were a mistake.

Moonraven
How fitting that you have joined the ranks of Hollywood celebrities who spread their anti-semitic poison every time they have a drink.

Were you drinking? Or just writing from a tainted stream of consciousness?

BTW, I am Jewish and take your remarks personally...

I'm reallllly sick of everyone's religion. Can't you all quietly create a spiritual place that gives you peace?

"BTW, I am Jewish and take your remarks personally…"

I'm neither Jewish nor Black, but I found many comments above just-as-Offensive.

For all the 'elevated consciousness' generally/supposedly found here in CD, the ruse and Uses that the 'USSR-less Cold-Warriors' and neo-Cons in the US have made of Israel's Zionist-BS and phony/False-Flagged 'WoT' (for their own recent-Interests...not little-Israel's) has led many to fall, regressively, back into mindless-prejudices.
I'm no 'fan' of what a tiny/secular-percentage of early/continuing-Zionists have done for 'Statehood' -- but for commenter's here to pin their outrage and justifiable-hatred for all-that on "Jews, in-general" (or even Israeli's, in-particular) is grotesque and ironic. Especially-so when from an American -- considering that American 'treatment' of it's own Natives probably inspired early Zionist-planners for their future-course in Palestine.

But xntrk, use that label of 'anti-Semitic' sparingly. History well-supports the Gibsonesque-accusation that pro-Israel Zionists had considerable uses-for and involvements-in both World-Wars (and much bloodshed-since). Progressives [if, strangely and tellingly, not Conservatives?] are getting fed-up with their otherwise liberal/Jewish-counterparts who are as versed/comfortable/capable as we in seeing ALL 'American-and-other-Evils', past and present, yet doing-so while denying all of Israel's and hiding behind the Holocaust, past-Pogroms, and labeling all&any reactions to Israel's very-real Crimes as simple "antisemitism".
What is 'good for the Goose, is good for Gander'...

It seems Rice can't be criticized. If she is, the race card is used. How ridiculous. Whether she's black, white, or a mixture of both (which she is as American blacks are part white), she's STILL a war criminal, a liar, and a despicable person.

lillulu

You're absolutely right. Injecting religion and race into politics is just a way to divide and divert people from the real issues. Calling Rice a "house nigger" (Harry Belafonte) is not conducive to advancing the discussion of her complicity in treason, war crimes, and violation of international treaties. She is a despicable HUMAN BEING, whatever her race or religion, and should be regarded as such.

How sad....

While we all agree that Condi is a traitor to her country and a disgrace as Secretary of State and a disparate contrast to her predecessor Thomas Jefferson the first person to hold that job.

But since most of us here believe that all people and all races are equal why is it necessary to be so derogatory and insulting and use race as a reason for her stupidity?

As that famous LA philosopher Rodney King once said:
"Why can't we all just get along"?

At the risk of "piling on," I too must express my disgust with the poster who called Condi a "professional kike."

The meaning of moonraven's post was very clear: "It's not bad enough that she's Black - she's also an honorary Jew!"

Such obvious racial hatred would seem to have no place here at Common Dreams (or, one would hope, anywhere).

Moonraven, please accept my invitation to take a flying f__k at the "moon" which is your namesake.

Yours Sincerely,
XigXag

Condyliar Rice deserves everything she gets thrown at her. Undoubtedly, she will, once more, rest her case on her selective amnesia.

Is it any wonder America's foreign policy is in such shambles with nary a success story under Rice's belt?

Will someone kindly explain what "diplomatic back channel" is? Is that like a radio or TV channel hidden in the rear of a transmitter, or is it a conduit through which espionage information is exchanged secretly?

First of all, with so many dual nationals from the 'chosen people' in highly sensitive positions within the US government, it is taken for granted that the US and Israel are one and the same. In fact, someone has already coined a name for this unholy matrimony: USrael. Such being the case, the spy trial becomes meaningless.

Second, don't get your hopes so high thinking that some spies will be nailed and toasted. They will claim that the FBI sting was an entrapment.

Whether the whole affair turns into a joke or even if Justice is denied at least the entire stinking mess will be brought into the clear light of the day, where honest people of the world will be able to form their own judgment.

Somebody really needs to moderate the racism in the Forum. The reason why being that while there is nothing good about Political Correctness, allowing trash to be part of the Common Dreams message opens a loophole for people who want to discredit that message.

I am very suspicious of anybody who comes on here posting anti-Jew hate speech.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out when Mukasey is confirmed (Jewish Orthodox according to Wikipedia). Will monkeybusiness like this decrease or increase?

I understand that when I'm angry, I usually say things which I later regret and I'm quick to admit it.

Ad Hominem attacks should have no place on a forum such as this. We only need to stick to the facts and that in itself will suffice in expressing our outrage.

Let's not become like the Rush Limbaugh's or Sean Hannity's who say such things. We should be above that, and not spewing things from the gutter.

In my opinion Condoleezza Rice's biggest crime is her support with the war in Iraq.

However, she should be criticized based on her actions, and on her action alone.

There is no room to judge people according to the color of their skin (Dark) or their religion (honorary Jew / kike - which I think she is not).

If AIPAC members broke the law - they should be punished.
But they should be judged and punished ONLY based on what they did!

When people are being accused or suspected just because they belong to a specific ethnic group, we enter the realm of racism.

"What do you call three US Senators now switching and saying they will vote for MuKasey (who is Jewish American) for attorney general. They are Arlen Specter D.PA, Diane Feinstein, D,CA, and Chuck Shummer D, NY. Explain to the posters why the three Jewish Americans would vote for Mukasey if it is not for religious unity for Israel before the interests of America."

namoses,

I think that's a valid question, though one that probably can never be verified. Do these senators think there will be any quid-pro-quo because they support the nominee for AG? What can they expect from him?

I prefer to reseve my ire for the organizations such as AIPAC and their proxies in high places. Of course, they have proxies in Congress (are these three included?), the White House, and many influential think-tanks. It is in this regard that I reserve my suspicions.

We must take an unvarnished look at the destructive influence these organizations have on our international policy and just who within our country is aiding and abetting these organizations. If these organizations influence our policy and it is harmful to our nation, then these people should be ferreted out and tried for treason (regardless of who they are or their religion or skin color).

AIPAC members are acting like foreign agents since they put the interests of the right wingers in Israel ahead of USA interests and ahead of world peace in general. AIPAC and those who conspire with AIPAC and others to get the USA to attack Iraq, all bear major personal responsibility for the deaths and other costs caused by that needless war of aggression. The more than $2 Trillion projected war cost must be paid by those who created the war on Iraq. If their insanity is not stopped, the world will soon see a war on Iran.

This victimological spin is as preposterous as it is pathetic.

AIPAC has been violating FARA, US election law, the Logan Act, and sundry money laundering statutues since it was created (more accurately, it was created with money laundering from the Jewish Agency).

AIPAC has no current "back channel" to Iran, the country the lobbyists were attempting to target, literally and figuratively.

AIPAC just doesn't cut it as a victim. If you doubt that, read the book "FOREIGN AGENTS: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee from the 1963 Fulbright Hearings to the 2005 Espionage Scandal".

Apparently Pelosi is married to a very wealthy Jewish husband, possibly worth as much as $100 million. There were rumors floating around that her own ancestry is Jewish also.

Again, I've got no problem with anyone's religion/ethnicity so long -- as elected officials representing Americans and spending our tax dollars -- they represent US interests and US interests alone. If they have dual allegiances they need to pick one or the other, and move to that country where their heart truly is.

Clearly there's a bi-partisan neocon bloc which runs D.C., with more allegiance to one another's interests than to the US voter (impeach now & out of Iraq).

Condolezza Rice is a political hack. Instead of bringing some much needed diversity to government she follows the party line and seems to like it. I think it is this lack of integrity and willingness to abandon her position and public trust to further an already corrupt administration that opens the discussion to derisive terms. She lied to the American people and not just a small lie. a mushroom sized lie, a WMD size lie, and an evil warmonger lie.

She is a liar.

This whole administration is built on total rejection of personal analysis, independent critique, opinion, truth, observation, etc. Fascism is the epitome of groupthink.

If the figure at the top is the most intelligent/compassionate/wise/competent example of our species perhaps one can argue the merits even of autocracy. But such is not the case with our present Fuhrer.

While the left/bottom is plagued with incessant in-fighting, look at the alternative in the right/top: complete unquestioning obedience to someone like Bush. This may well underscore that fascism is an aberration on the human scene, i.e. it's a form of sociopathy to reject one's own thoughts.

I get a positive feelin that just the fact that we are openly discussing all this is a sign that we are winning and no-matter what the result of the case, It will be more evidence against the War Machine.

Of course Bush will not allow testimony, the whole evil game is keeping the game secret when the world already knows the secret.....

Aren't you all glad you are not in their Shoes? I am!

These parasites can't hide behind the Troops much longer.

Remember when some idiots speech here at CD was totally ignored? That is what we all should do to reactions like moonchickens. There is no room for analysis of the mental workings of a racist unless they are in office. I think we all should be concerned more with the hopes of all the administration appearing in court to try to defend themselves and their actions. I feel personally affected with fear and distrust of our current leaders and I think they all should be tried and jailed for pushing lies and starting wars preemptively. If that is enough to try your spouse with, why cant I file a lawsuit against the administration for fear mongering? Somethings I will never understand. Many peoples in the US will agree with me. Its all a part of dividing and controlling our sensitive communities. How many kids are scared after hearing our president talk shit? It should be a political crime and courts should be set in place to verify the facts before people are warned of any real eminent demise. All we need are a bunch of easily spooked Sheeple spouting kike, nigger and turban head all over the place in a supposedly intelligent country "ducking and covering" at the sound of any loud pop or car backfire. I'm hurt by the lies of this administration and so is my community which is your community too.

The term is 'Fifth Column' - referring to a domestic population that actively promotes the agenda of a foreign power - often against the interests of the country in question. In this regard, the agents at AIPAC and the thousands of local Jewish organizations pushing Israel's militarist agenda have long been part of a 'Fifth Column' promoting Israel. It has become serious in terms of its potential to lead our world to catastrophe. Over a million Iraqi civilians have already died just so that Israel could have the US destroy its most powerful 'secular' adversary in the Middle East. Many ten of millions more will die or suffer if Israel's agents in the US get their way and provoke the US to attack Iran.
While many if not most American Jews are not in favor of the US invasion of Iraq and certainly not for expanding the slaughter into Iran and Syria, they are cowed into silence like the rest of us by the strong arm tactics of the 'Lobby' on a local level. What is the difference between being called an 'anti-Semite' or a 'self-hating Jew' for opposing the implementation of Israel's agenda through US militarism? It can be a career destroyer - look at Professors Finklestein, Juan Cole among others. Believe me, when your own boss or supervisor gets that 'visit' from the local Jewish federation representative -who could be a professional colleague, a golf buddy or a fellow member in the 'Rotary Club', complaining about your expressed opinions or activism in support of Palestinian rights or against the war - your job is gone - regardless of the quality of your work. They play 'hardball' when it comes to protecting the 'agenda' of Israel.
In each country, fascism takes on a 'national' or 'ethnic' character. Zionist Fascism as well as American Jingoist fascism have their particular characteristics which must be analyzed objectively and opposed directly. This situation has been very bad for Americans in general - who are facing the real prospects of an economic recession or even depression with a broken army, bitter veterans and domestic deterioration as well as the implementation of increasingly authoritarian measures. The impact on most American Jews is also likely to be negative - also. Their need for health, education and job security are also at risk as the domestic situation here deteriorates. They have no intention of 'making alliyah' to Israel.
The impact of the expanding wars against independent, sovereign Arab and Muslim countries in the Middle Eastern on the other hand is likely to have been very positive to Israel and Israeli Jews . Ideologically they are part of a settler-colonist society based on land grabs and ethnic cleansing and therefore highly racist. The utter destruction of Iraq is ideologically very satisfying for them. It shows 'collective' punishment of an entire society on a massive scale - far greater than their punishment of the Palestinians. The destruction of Iraq and the threatened attacks on Iran are in their 'regional' hegemonic interests. Their primary export is military industrial (they are second only to the US in terms of military exports) and a regional war will bring in ever greater profits with the US government's annual aid packages guaranteeing the continuation of their advanced social-welfare services and standard of living (relative to those in the US)and restricted to Jewish Israeli.
I don't think AIPAC is going to pay any price. The continued shameless pilgrimage of our elected representatives to AIPAC Congresses, the junkets our congressmen and governors take to Israel...all have a pervasive, corrupting influence. Not a single politician has decided to not to attend AIPAC events - despite the ongling indictment and trial of high AIPAC officials for spying and passing classified documents to Israeli agents - documents which would impact on the US war policy toward Iran. If this kind of espionage trial and scandal doesn't deter our boot-licking representative - then nothing will.

Even if nothing comes of THIS trial, it might be a good thing because it sets a precedent for calling the neo-CONS into a court to testify under oath about other more important issues involving their crimes.

Of course the Isrealis have been spying on us, and for quite some time now. How do you think the Soviets/Russians got nuclear capability? With so many Zionist spies, in the neo-CON ranks of this administration, something must have gone wrong, because usually all they have to do is ask and they get anything they want/request.

If we are to have any chance at retrieving our once great nation we have to get these AIPAC, Mossad, NWO, PNAC, neo-CON, Zionist, monkeys off our backs once and for all. All that crap about being falsely labeled 'anti-Semitic' pales in comparison to being considered un-American.

We also need to stop supplying Isreal with billions in US taxpayer funds each year. Since the Zionists control 40% of the world's gold supply & reserves right now let them spend their own damned dime if they want to cause havoc in the middle east. Why should we be the bad guy in the region when it is the Isreali agenda that is instigating the turmoil? Enough is enough!

I find it particularly offensive for anyone to play the race card by labeling someone 'anti-Semitic', especially since it is recognized as a ploy by Zionists to stifle dissent from the opposition. At the same time I find it offensive that on such a site as this progressive minded people would be using racial slurs. I hope you understand there is a difference between Zionist & Jewish, and when I use the term Zionist I am saying what it is intended to imply...Fascists. I think it is extremely important to remember this fact, "Not all Jewish people are Zionists, and many Zionists are not even Jewish".

The Bush/neo-CON/Zionist agenda is very similar, and has much in common historicaly with Fascists worldwide, even Communists with their "Ends justifies the means" philosophy. Here is an interesting, rather scary, link toward where we are headed:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

When some one throws around the word "Kike", it's not unreasonable to label them anti-semitic; any more then labeling someone a racist for using the "N-word" about another person, is.

Now, if you want to call Condi Rice a brown-nosing sell out who is a disgrace to both her race and her sex, I'll happily agree with you.

If you want to discuss the inordinately large amount of influence AIPAC has with our government, I won't call you names. It is terribly diminishing and disgusting to have some of the worst Fascist bastards in the world heading up the Israeli government.

I could also discuss the tremendous influence of the Catholic Church on the Supreme Court and Congress - Does that make me terrible Jew longing to practice forbidden 'blood-rites' on Catholic babies - I think not. But it does make me question why it's impossible to have a discussion about over-population in this 'secular nation'.

They say that '...names will never hurt me.' but that has often been proven wrong. Calling people derogatory names is just the first step to dehumanizing them. Paint them as a representative of a certain race or group, and you begin de-humanizing the whole group.

Our nation has too many historical examples of how this plays out for anyone to excuse it. And ignoring it doesn't make it go away, it only encourages the miscreants to say the same and worse at a later date.