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There is nothing sexist about what Fisk said. He's using a literary device to illustrate a point--that the movie is riveting. The only sexist item on the page is yours which detracts from and trivializes the importance of the message. Focus on the real issue which even if Mr. Fisk was doing what you said, would be infinitely more important as what he's talking about endangers every right you and every other American no longer can be so certain of. While you're at it consider that America never ratified Woman's Rights and now, most likely, as the latest fascist power 'to rise' in the world, never will.

Mr. Fisk, an excellent review. Thank you very much for taking the time to promote this movie. Also many thanks for your courageous efforts to bring truth to the world, to inform us, and inspire us with your courage, your attention to detail and the spirit of freedom. It is doing its work, and you and others like you are very much appreciated.

"But they'll suffer the slings and arrows of Bush's torment as he accuses them of being indifferent to terrorism and they'll flop like dying fish."

Just listening to Bush try to speak English in complete sentences is torture.

Seriously though, I would strongly advise all those who haven't yet started stockpiling guns and ammunition to start doing so. I'm convinced that it will take nothing less than a Second Amendment fix to throw Bush and his gangsters out.

DD is a Hillary troll. Don't feed the trolls.

Nathaniel Heidenheimer Ewen Cameron's victims where were not really messed up to begin with. Val Orlikow had post-partum depression - which lots of women have at one time in their life. There is no doubt that Ewen Cameron left their victims much much worse that they were before. Ewen Cameron did not just mess up her life, but the family suffered.

In the Anne Wheeler movie "Sleep Room" they show actual footage from Question Period - is is on the public record that this happened. When Val told her husband David that she wanted to sue the CIA for what they had done to her and others, he thought she was crazy because no body sues the CIA. It is not just that this happened but the fact that we know about it.

David Orlikow was an MLA before he was an MP so when he died both the House of Commons and when he died after a tireless life of making the world a better place, he was honoured both in the House of Commons and in the Manitoba Legislature.

MP=Congressperson
Province=State
MLA=like a Congressperson only at the Provincial level.

The Province one tends to be a bit better. Scroll down to the Hedding

"He, of course, went through a very, very difficult time, a very public time. He was the first one that went public, I believe, on the CIA experiments on his wife, Velma, and he went public with the fact that, I think there were some 40 patients in Canada that were part of experiments conducted by the CIA in Canada. I believe this took place during the Second World War--53 Canadians that were subject to these experimental brainwashing and interrogation techniques. He went public with this with a lawsuit that eventually was successful for the Orlikow family and for the children. Certainly he is to be congratulated for his strong stand, but I know of equal importance was his love of his wife and the feeling that she left this world too early because of those experiments on her."

"I certainly always treasured the advice I received from David, the inspiration I received from David."

"... but he was also very humble. I think he would have felt that we were spending too much time eulogizing and speechifying at the service, and not getting out researching or organizing a union or signing another member to the NDP or organizing another fundraising event so we can run another campaign in the north end for the party of his love and his beliefs. He had extensive energy, extensive contacts, voluminous research, and a never-ending commitment to social justice."

http://www.gov.mb.ca/legislature/hansard/4th-36th/vol_071b/h071b_9.html

This is when David Orlikow was honoured in Parliament. Judy Wasylycia-Leis is the MP for David Orlikow's former riding. Judy W-L said that David Orlikow used to phone her up and tell her what she should be saying in parliament:

"David Orlikow died on January 19, a few months short of his 80th birthday, fighting to the very end. He was, as we always knew him, a fighter for social justice, always demanding fair policies when it came to immigration policies, refugee policies, workers rights, always associated with the labour movement and free collective bargaining and a very important part of our party as a founding member of the New Democratic Party and a lifetime member of the CCF and the NDP."

"I did a quick count of all his House of Commons entries between 1962 and 1988 and came up with a staggering total of 2,906, and he did it all without a lot of fanfare and not much media attention. However, when he did get a headline we knew what David stood for. We knew how he saw his purpose as a member of Parliament. Speaking out against poverty, standing up for equality and fighting the banks, that was David Orlikow. Imagine what he would be saying today about the proposed bank merger."

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?pub=hansard&mee=52&parl=36&ses=1&language=E

Re: CIA MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENTS

Nathaniel Heidenheimer, that woman in the video, by any chance was she Val Orlikow? I am more familiar with what her husband looks like than what she looks like so I might be mistaken.

Galen, here is the Hansard for this and last month, search for the term "Stockwell" and you will find Doris's statement:

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/housechamberbusiness/chambersittings.aspx?View=H&Parl=39&Ses=2&Language=E&Mode=...

Galen, do you remember how rude George Bush was to Joyce Milgaard when he was still only Governor of Texas? That was the moment that defines Bush most in my mind. Anyone who could be so rude to Joyce Milgaard after all she has been through.

Seems like I am sensing a pattern here: Monia Mazigh, David Orlikow and Joyce Milgaard.

VOLUNTEER:

Maher Arar was detained at a New York stop over between Tunisia and Montreal on September 26, 2002.

The war in Iraq started on March 20, 2003.

Maher Arar was released on October 5, 2003.

I wonder how many times the terms "Iraq" or "Bush" would come up in the Hansards between Arar's detainment and release. Any Volunteers?

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/housechamberbusiness/chambersittings.aspx?Key=2002&View=H&Language=E&Mode=1&Par...

Will work on the story of Maher Arar's detainment and release as told by Hansard, post it on Thom Hartmann's board and post the link here probably tomorrow. Stephen Harper was very late in getting on the band wagon. Note that used used the word "Arar" so will have missed out any reference to Maher Arar where his name was not used - such as Harper harping about letting Terrorists in to the country, but what I picked up is revealing enough.

peacemaker says: People condemn Democrat's because they aren't doing anything. Well, answer me one question? How can they? Whenever the Democratic Senator from my state opens his mouth and criticizes Bush on anything or proposes something to get us out of Iraq. The 'fringe lunatics' come out of the woodwork to undermine anything he tries to do. They start demanding he be taken out of office.

Come off it! If a Senator gets cowarded by the odd call to resign he's in the wrong business! Unlike Canada, the Senate seems to be a stepping stone to power so Senators, as a group, tend to be quite wary of doing anything on principle which may jeopardise their future political aspirations.

It is only because of the way the Presidential system is set up that Bush wasn't faced with questions as to when he planned to step down and why he couldn't just make it a bit sooner.

patnval you have a point there. Canadians - vote NDP!

Stephen Harper is about to overturn DECADES of Canadian government requests for amnesty in death penalty cases for Canadian citizens convicted in foriegn countries. And our 'Security Minister' Stockwell Day has apparently let the cat out of the bag that Canada will be re-joining the exclusive death penalty/ execution club in the near future.

I have never been so disgusted with my country. Between the slavish adoration of Herr Bush and his master, the harrasment and unlawful detention and deportaion of anti-war activists and speakers, the continued official mealy-mouthed platitudes about how Maher Arar deserved better, but is still treated as a suspect, and this new outrage over the abandonment of anti-execution principles, I feel it is becoming closer and closer to the time to go off the grid.

All of of this on account of one magic bullet.

Sorry I gave a botched thread for my Off-Topic-Youtube-Interjection. My social skills (with my computer) will improve thursday aound teatime!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSOOK3tocTk

Please watch this as it features our hero American University communications expert Christopher Simpson author of the absolutely essential book The Science of Coercion

Our Democratic majority congress remains dead in the water. Which proves that the terrorists have won. Has anybody bothered to tell them?

Pluck anyone out of your local sanitarium and he would do a better job than Gonzales. At least when he told you he couldn't remember or 'recall' you could believe him.

I have seen things happening in the last 7 years I never dreamed possible in my wildest fantasies. I guess that only goes to show you if you are going to be a democracy you have to constantly remain vigilant for people like George W Bush who are willing to destroy Democracy. The world is full of wannabe dictator's like Bush and they all aren't from other countries. We have our fair share in this country. People condemn Democrat's because they aren't doing anything. Well, answer me one question? How can they? Whenever the Democratic Senator from my state opens his mouth and criticizes Bush on anything or proposes something to get us out of Iraq. The 'fringe lunatics' come out of the woodwork to undermine anything he tries to do. They start demanding he be taken out of office. Someone said it in one of the previous blogs 'where is the outrage of the American people?' for this fascist freak who is running our country?????? All of you like to condemn but I don't see any of you trying to do something about it. The abuses that have gone on in this Administration have gone unchallenged by most American's. Most seem to have lost their moral compass since 9/11!!!! Nothing Bush does is questioned or challenged in the press. Democratic Senator's and Representatives are fighting a losing battle in this country bucking the Republican created media. Most of you really wonder why they don't 'kick ass'? Well how can they kick ass when half the American people are behind the lunatics in the White House and won't stand up for what they used to know was right???????? I lost every last little bit of faith I had in the American people to even know right from wrong, the last election when they voted that fascist back into office. So, don't blame Democrats for the mess in this country! They are partially responsible yes! But so is the media and mostly the American people who aren't marching in the streets demanding this 'whack job' quit!!!!!

I read that RENDITION is blacklisted in many US theaters. Also Springsteen's latest album is blacklisted by clear channel radio. Wouldn't want "the folks" to be exposed to dissent now, would we?

Prerdiction: A Democratic President in 2009 will result in the third term of the GWB administration. The Dems are so cowed and subservient that they will continue to do his bidding out of habit.

No Daniel David
Dems are not all we have. We have Greens, Libertarians, Socialists, Independents etc. There is plenty of choice. The problem is folks like you who continue to believe, and try to get others to believe, that we have no choice. Do you honestly believe that Clinton or Obama are going to "give back" the obnoxious level of power that Bush has secured for the presidency? Or perhaps you think that they're going to give back all that corporate money.
Can you show me a single democrat who has.....denounced the occupation of Iraq, sworn to use diplomacy instead of nukes with Iran, embraced public financing of campaigns and offered to give back the corporate bucks?
So please, you keep telling us to vote democrat in the elections...try telling us how the stands taken by the democratic contenders is any different than Bush or Guiliani or even that moron fred thompson. Show us where, in print, they have committed to changing the corporate ownership of our government. Try a reasonable arguement instead of fear tactics. Because I still can't see the difference between Bush and Hillary (your wonderful frontrunner).
Voting democrat vs repug in the next election is like choosing lethal injection over electrocution...the end results are the same.
I personally will not vote for either parties candidates, nor will I vote for any currently seated representative. They are all liars and thieves. Even here in my beloved Vermont all three sitting, 2 dems and 1 indie, they have lied, obstructed and bullshitted their way into office with no intent of following through with their promises. Peter Welch, my congressman and a democrat, went into the election as an anti war candidate. He has continued to vote for funding the war and against impeachment. Bernie Sanders, my senator and an independent, campaigned similarly and yet refuses to work toward impeachment. And Pat Leahy, my senator and a democrat, well, he's talked the talk for a long time, but his tottering old legs can't quite seem to walk the walk. Guess voting to condemn moveon was about the best way he could think of to use his time. So don't talk to me about the wonderful dems. They are, one and all, a bunch of lily livered cowards. And quite frankly, I hold them even more responsible than the repugs. With the repugs we knew exactly where we were headed, no surprises there. But with the dems, well they have flat out lied to every one of us.
Let them eat cake indeed......let them eat shit. I won't vote for them ever again.

I have come to the end of my tolerance with this administration and even more so the cowardly democrats. And where are the outcries from the citizens of this country?
It's infuriating too much already. I'm going to Nepal and on to Tibet in the spring to climb Mt Everest or at least reach advanced base camp on the north side of the mountain.
Talk to you all when I return.

[quote]Daniel David November 3rd, 2007 9:20 pm -- As for laughing at part of my post, fine. But I notice you didn't laugh much at the "Democrats are all you've got" part. You and I know both know it's true ...[/quote]

You have no idea what I know to be true, DD. Nor, for that matter, do you have any idea what I chuckle about.

Didn't they explain to you that even the inducement of powerlessness strategy has its limits and can backfire if pushed too far. When it becomes a taunt, people have a strong tendency to want to prove it's wrong just to get even.

Coupled with the increasing number of 'sheeple' who seem recently to be waking up to the true nature of the system of 'freedom and democracy' being imposed on them, there's a nightmarish thought for you. Pleasant dreams.

Thank you, vaudree, for publishing the hansard. It says a lot about Harpo -- which some Canadians already know but the rest of the world should too.

Daniel David;

Kucinich is the ONLY democrat who CAN be elected. That is why he is being marginalized.

As I said in another thread, Guiliani (or any republican) would much rather run against Hillary (or Obama, Edwards) than Dennis Kucinich.

If the contest is between a republican and one of your "electable" dems, the republicans will win.

Nathaniel, your link doesn't work.

AlexLawyer and starofthesea, who a woman in Isabella's situation be comfortable contacting her Congressperson to help her get her husband back or, at the very minimum, find out what happened to him?

If you are planning to elect Congresspersons or Presidents or even Senators, make sure that they are someone who would got to bat for Isabella.

BTW - got the date wrong Alexa spoke on October 21, 2002

daniel david - thank you for calling me a loudmouth - that was very thoughtful - does the dnc pay you well for that sort of high brow commentary?

While it may be true that Maher Arar and the fictional Anwar El-Ibrahimi were both Engineers, picked up by the American government and sent away for torture, there are quite a few differences as well.

For one, Maher Arar is Syrian-born and the fictional Anwar El-Ibrahimi is Egyptian-born. For another, Maher Arar's second child was born 7 months before he was detained. For another, there were no phone calls to Maher Arar's house involving bomb plots. For another, Maher Arar is a pacifist. But, most importantly, Isabella is no Monia Mazigh! It takes a special woman to be persistent without freaking out - and they have Isabella freaking out in the trailer.

Did Isabella ever contact her Congress person or any Congressperson?

Maher Arar was picked up in September 2002 and sent away to be tortured. Maher Arar's name was first mentioned in Question Period (Parliament) on October 31 2002. Tunisia is where Monia's family is from:

Ms. Alexa McDonough (Halifax, NDP): Mr. Speaker, on September 26 Canadian citizen Maher Arar was detained and imprisoned in New York by the U.S. government while in transit from Tunisia to Canada.

With no legal counsel present, Mr. Arar was subjected to secret interrogations and then deported, not back to Canada, which he requested, but to Syria. According to the Syrian government he never arrived.

Where is Maher Arar?

Hon. Bill Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, we remain extremely concerned about the case of Mr. Arar. I have raised this issue with American authorities, with the ambassador and at the highest levels, to register our concern with the fact that Mr. Arar is a Canadian citizen and should have been treated as a Canadian citizen.

Our concern at this time is to find Mr. Arar and allow his family to enter into contact with him. This government is sparing no efforts whatsoever, and in fact we are exercising all our efforts to ensure that we are able to do that.

Ms. Alexa McDonough (Halifax, NDP): Mr. Speaker, Canadians are not looking for concern, they are looking for answers. Maybe we need to issue a travel advisory telling people it is not safe to go to the U.S. these days.

What Mr. Arar's family wants to know and what Canadians want to know is whether the minister demanded the Americans' evidence that in fact they deported him to Syria. We want to know what route he took. We want to know what flight he was on. We want to know who accompanied him. We want to know if he arrived in Syria.

Did the foreign affairs minister get answers to those questions and, if not, why not?

Hon. Bill Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, we have inquired of Syrian authorities and other authorities in that region to ascertain the presence of Mr. Arar. We have so far not been able to find an answer to our questions but that does not mean we are not making all efforts to do so. It is unreasonable for the hon. member to suggest that we are not making all efforts necessary to protect the life of a Canadian citizen who was abroad.

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=37&Ses=2&DocId=522979

And before you start thinking of Stephen Harper as such a great guy - this is Stephen Harper's first comments concerning Maher Arar in Question Period (November 18, 2002) - only giving you what Harper said:

Mr. Stephen Harper (Leader of the Opposition, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, the government's right hand does not know what its left hand is doing when it comes to national security.

The foreign affairs minister said for two months that the United States had offered no justification or information for the deportation of Maher Arar. Yet we now know that the RCMP knew of Arar's activities. They questioned him nearly a year ago and they were notified weeks ago by the FBI of its information.

My question is, when did the minister know of the RCMP's holding of information on this matter?

Mr. Stephen Harper (Leader of the Opposition, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, he said he did not know. It would be nice if there were somebody here to actually answer a question on this.

While the minister participated in high level consultations to defend a suspected terrorist, it apparently took a trip by the U.S. Secretary of State for the minister to admit what he really knew.

Officials now acknowledge that they have had evidence on Arar's activities for weeks. Why did it take a newspaper article to correct the record? Why did the minister and the government not reveal these facts to the House before today?

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=37&Ses=2&DocId=566856

Sorry D David, the Democrats are definitely NOT all we got. We have every citizen in this country who truly gives a damn about it's slide into fascism. We have true democrats with a small d who may still be in the party, but clearly aren't very welcome. Why else would Conyers be threatened with losing his chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee if he entertains an impeachment motion? Daniel David, I am begining to think that you don't believe any of what you say on these posts. I think you are desperately needing all the attention your "broken record posts" provide you, and I for one have responded to you for the last time. If you are honest with yourself, you know damned well you're not changing anyone's mind.

The amazing thing isn't that Bush and Cheney are engaging in crimes on a massive scale; we knew from their pre-election careers that they had scant regard for law and ethics. The disgusting thing is that congressional Democrats have proven so craven, occasionally issuing a tepid statement of concern but unwilling to shed their roles as funders, protectors and granters of immunity to those carrying out crimes against humanity, including torture to death, disappearance, kidnapping, false imprisonment and denial of basic human rights. They've allowed our constitutional rights to be trashed in the name of a "war on terror" and whitewashed the administration's incompetent handling of clear pre-9/11 intelligence that should have led to preventive measures.

We must recognize that Congress is accessory to serious crimes under domestic and international law, and that its refusal to hold hearings and empower prosecution, including by revoking its grants of immunity, are the only way to restore the rule of law and the credibility of the United States. Our allies are disgusted and our foes energized by our arrogant, criminal disregard of the law of nations, and we will live to rue our cowardice in the face of such overwhelming evil.

Because of the Corporate Media you may have missed this

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...rfk&search=

Arvy,

No thanks on the Brooklyn Bridge. I don't have that kind of money, of course, but even if I did, I couldn't buy it 'cause I don't believe in that level of privatization. We're possibly going to need a new joke if Democrats are not elected, because a few more Republican administrations probably WILL find someone proposing to sell The Bridge. They're already proposing sale of other sections of highway.

As for laughing at part of my post, fine. But I notice you didn't laugh much at the "Democrats are all you've got" part. You and I know both know it's true, and that believing in the third-party takeover stuff is as realistic as relying on Santa, the Tooth Fairy, and the good ole Easter Bunny.

Daniel David: "They're all money-grubbing politicians too, of course, but with a populist agenda and mandate."

Thanks for the comedy relief. I haven't laughed so hard in quite a long while. That "populist agenda" bit is priceless. Would you be interested in a bridge for sale in Brooklyn?

Daniel David,

"Democrats are all you've got. They're all money-grubbing politicians too, of course, but with a populist agenda and mandate."

Hun, listen. You're seriously dreaming here. Their agenda isn't populist, and they really don't care about mandates. Barney Frank got a mandate about ENDA, and his response was to s***-talk people in the press. It's as if you want them to believe that they give a crap - but they don't, they just give a crap more than Guiliani. So then you say "ah, but they are different" - to which I say "um, two party system, hello - we keep following this course, and Guiliani or some other NaziBot is gonna get elected, after the Democrats continue to pave the way for him."

I hate to tell you this...but the days of checks and balances between the parties, and within the two party system are gone - unless we fix things; and honestly? The whole idea of checks and balances is a bit of a farce, anyway. It's a way to keep people thinking that a coercive system is there to protect them, when in fact it serves a few at the cost of the many. The only thing that has significantly changed is that we're at a crisis point.

What were Feinstein and Schumer promised by the white house to roll over for Mukasey? They should be expelled from their own party. Will fellow Democrats question them? Call them to account? Unlikely. A sordid bit of politics this.

RichM,

What makes me think Democrats will be better or different?

Faith. You see, Ralph, Dennis, and Cindy (though all right about many things) are not going to be elected.
Democrats are all you've got. They're all money-grubbing politicians too, of course, but with a populist agenda and mandate. Giuliani, if elected, will get there only by and for the country club set.

The Italian Inquisition waterboarded its victims nearly 500 years ago. The Khmer Rouge waterboarded some of its victims in the 1970s. The CIA list of approved "enhanced interrogation techniques" (a term invented by the Nazis) included waterboarding up to 2005.

Bush, Cheney et al join the Italian Inquisition, Khmer Rouge, and the Nazis. They should be in the dock at the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

Powerful truth-telling by Robert Fisk. Note the sexism, however. He says "...take a beautiful woman along..." His presumption here is that his readership is male! (And/or--though doubtfully--lesbian.) Women readers are off his radar screen. Anyway, what in the world does male libido have to do with his subject matter here? A total non-sequitur. He should be embarrassed.

It would appear that 'indie Hollywood' supports progressives with film as such. We have peeps like Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Susan Sarandon, etc, many, many peeps from the music industry (I love Eminem's anger) it seems they're
doing their part. Props to all them, I have no idea what's entailed in production of artistic content for retail consumption that goes against the current governmental grain, I'm sure it takes a huge ball sack.

Sen Feinstein's husband Richard Blum has been awarded over $1 billion dollars in U. S. Gov. contracts. Isn't that just jolly. Just because she sat on the committee that aproved it these contacts doesn't matter one bit. He also has large investments in China.

Now can anyone guess why she stepped up first to vote for bushie's new AG? Mukasey. This is also we must protect Israel vote.

Schumer was his sponsor. Why? Same as above.

This country is insane, the people know little the press is taking care of their high paying jobs as we ride the slippery slope to the end.

ChronoSynclastic November 3rd, 2007 2:54 pm, thanks for the heads up, do you have a phone number or email addy for the distributer. Thanks. :)

And, Mr. David,

What lead you to believe that the Democrats represent a different "mindset"? They certainly don't with regard to foreign policy or many domestic issues, including poverty, education, corporate power, or media concentration.

So, we have "Rendition" and the documentary "Meeting Resistance" - films that here in the USA will be viewed by a tiny, self-isolated groups of white urban-left-hipster types and no no one else...

But it is heartening to her that an old journalist like Fisk can still get an attractive date to a movie. But, doesn't he have a wife back in Beruit?

Mukasey, Feinstein, Schumer, all citizens of Israel, all loyal to the same set of values: brutality, lawlessness, totalitarianism. It transcends party affiliation, this close-knit society.

Daniel David November 3rd, 2007 3:09 pm

"Bashing Democrats with vicious criticism for merely (and unavoidably)enduring 12 more months of Bush while seeking to vote his whole mindset out of Washington in 2008 is stupid foot-shooting, nothing more."

It's unavoidable only because the Democrats refuse to impeach Bush and Cheney. Arguably the two biggest criminals in U.S. history.

Lobo Gris

gyptian said Feinstein thinks Mukasey is not as bad as Gonzalez

Is that like saying Genghis Khan was not as bad as Hitler?

Daniel, has it occurred to you that if the Dems don't even attempt to oppose Bush's "whole mindset" for his entire 2 terms, that it isn't likely they'll be boldly reversing what he's done, even if they win the White House?

I mean, this is now the zillionth time they've rolled over on their backs for him. Their batting average is .000 -- even while being the majority party in both houses. Are you really unable to draw any conclusions from that? What reason is there to believe that they will do anything different, even if they win?

Americans hate torture so much, "Saw #Whatever" is the top flick, as opposed to, say, "Rendition," for example.

Torturetainment good; truth bad. And, as Lowry from TNR said on The News Hour yesterday - what's so wrong with 2 minutes of drowning panic? If, he added, it stops a "terrorist" from setting off the "ticking bomb" he's got shoved up his butt. Funny, though, he failed to mention a single instance where a couple of minutes dunked defused said ticking bomb, or disrupted a plot, or unearthed an evil-doer sleeper cell.

If you toss a little shampoo in the mix, it's not waterboarding at all - it's a deep scalp cleansing at best.

to: as the song says,

"this is your cry!"

No, loudmouth, it's not my cry. It's yours. Bushies everywhere like nothing more than to watch their liberal opponents self-destruct. Bashing Democrats with vicious criticism for merely (and unavoidably)enduring 12 more months of Bush while seeking to vote his whole mindset out of Washington in 2008 is stupid foot-shooting, nothing more.

Film's like this need to be seen by the general public, in order to have any usefull effect.

Something we can do, besides blabbing on websites:
Try to make sure the film gets shown in your local community.

If your corporate theatre outlets refuse to run it, the film's distributor is making copies available to local activist groups (for $25) - so it can be shown in alternate venues, like churches, coffee houses, municipal auditoriums, college lecture halls, etc.

You have to sign an agreement that no admission will be charged. And you have to foot the bill, yourself, for publicity ads, hall rental, etc.

GO BUSH GO.
YOU`VE NOW GOT THE DEMS. ON THE RUN. I BET YOU CAN`T WAIT TO IMPOSE MARSHAL LAW SO YOU CAN PERSONALLY TORTURE YOUR ON DEMOCRATIC SENATOR OR CONGRESSMAN-WOMAN.

daniel david "As for bashing Senators if they confirm Mukasey? Just some more stupid foot-shooting"

nice way to dismiss any sort of priciples at all, eh? i suppose decrying the vichy government was stupid too! leniency for collaborators!! this is your cry! if you collaborate with bush you are bush.

I thought this film looked interesting. Good thing there aren't any spoilers in this article for someone who might want to see it...

Perhaps the film "Rendition" will serve to change the minds of some former confused conservatives. Let's hope so. Most of the visitors at CD won't need to see it though. We're already angry.

As for bashing Senators if they confirm Mukasey? Just some more stupid foot-shooting. It doesn't matter whether we have Mukasey, some other Bush nominee, or no AG at all for the next 14 months. The result will be exactly the same. The Bush administration is still the Bush administration no matter who is confirmed or opposed for the final year.

What matters is whether a Democratic president is appointing a new AG and appointing everyone else on 1-20-09.

Right now, I could go with strict constructinism in a big way if it meant using Madison as a primary guide to the meaning of the Constitution. How can strict constructionists justify the unlimited executive power they extol. Pure Hogshit.

Feinstein and Schumer need to lose their seats. Any one of Arab descent who comes through the US is in danger. In fact everyone is in danger as long as habeas corpus has been suspended.

I make this standing offer to ANYONE who thinks these disgracefully indefensible practices do not constitute torture: Simply prove your point by volunteering to undergo the same treatment, even just for a few hours.

Ok, let's see those hands go up, volunteers!
No?
Didn't think so.

Liberty & Justice,

SJ

www.spartacusjones.com

The Senate could hold out for someone who could penetrate bubble boy's universe and tell him that talking about World War III is crazy talk.

But they'll suffer the slings and arrows of Bush's torment as he accuses them of being indifferent to terrorism and they'll flop like dying fish.

Our Congress and administration have as their highest priority their own fat retirement and insurance benefits, plus paid trips all over the world. They are much too busy with that to worry about innocent people and even citizens of USA being tortured or killed. Besides, why break our record of giving Bush any mediocre patsy he wants to do his bidding? The important thing is whether Mukasey is against abortion, stem cell research, gays, and that he is a strict constructionist, whatever that means to anyone.

Feinstein thinks Mukasey is not as bad as Gonzalez and thats reason enough to support him !! Apparently Gonzalez went a step further and not only allowed torture but also wiretapping ... ooooh ... such a bad man.
It makes you genuinely scared living in the U.S. these days, especially if your views are radical enough to place you squarely in that ambiguous definition of terrorism.

Speaking of torture & Mukasey -- two Democratic senators, Schumer & Feinstein, said yesterday they will vote to approve Mukasey's nomination. The nom will now move to the full Senate, where it will easily be confirmed with at least 20 Dems voting in favor.

Isn't that nice?