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Prostates and Prejudices
"My chance of surviving prostate cancer - and thank God I was cured of it - in the United States? Eighty-two percent," says Rudy Giuliani in a new radio ad attacking Democratic plans for universal health care. "My chances of surviving prostate cancer in England? Only 44 percent, under socialized medicine."
It would be a stunning comparison if it were true. But it isn't. And thereby hangs a tale - one of scare tactics, of the character of a man who would be president and, I'm sorry to say, about what's wrong with political news coverage.
Let's start with the facts: Mr. Giuliani's claim is wrong on multiple levels - bogus numbers wrapped in an invalid comparison embedded in a smear.
Mr. Giuliani got his numbers from a recent article in City Journal, a publication of the conservative Manhattan Institute. The author gave no source for his numbers on five-year survival rates - the probability that someone diagnosed with prostate cancer would still be alive five years after the diagnosis. And they're just wrong.
You see, the actual survival rate in Britain is 74.4 percent. That still looks a bit lower than the U.S. rate, but the difference turns out to be mainly a statistical illusion. The details are technical, but the bottom line is that a man's chance of dying from prostate cancer is about the same in Britain as it is in America.
So Mr. Giuliani's supposed killer statistic about the defects of "socialized medicine" is entirely false. In fact, there's very little evidence that Americans get better health care than the British, which is amazing given the fact that Britain spends only 41 percent as much on health care per person as we do.
Anyway, comparisons with Britain have absolutely nothing to do with what the Democrats are proposing. In Britain, doctors are government employees; despite what Mr. Giuliani is suggesting, none of the Democratic candidates have proposed to make American doctors work for the government.
As a fact-check in The Washington Post put it: "The Clinton health care plan" - which is very similar to the Edwards and Obama plans - "has more in common with the Massachusetts plan signed into law by Gov. Mitt Romney than the British National Health system." Of course, this hasn't stopped Mr. Romney from making similar smears.
At one level, what Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Romney are doing here is engaging in time-honored scare tactics. For generations, conservatives have denounced every attempt to ensure that Americans receive needed health care, from Medicare to S-chip, as "socialized medicine."
Part of the strategy has always involved claiming that health reform is suspect because it's un-American, and exaggerating health care problems in other countries - usually on the basis of unsubstantiated anecdotes or fraudulent statistics. Opponents of reform also make a practice of lumping all forms of government intervention together, pretending that having the government pay some health care bills is just the same as having the government take over the whole health care system.
But here's what I don't understand: Why isn't Mr. Giuliani's behavior here considered not just a case of bad policy analysis but a character issue?
For better or (mostly) for worse, political reporting is dominated by the search for the supposedly revealing incident, in which the candidate says or does something that reveals his true character. And this incident surely seems to fit the bill.
Leave aside the fact that Mr. Giuliani is simply lying about what the Democrats are proposing; after all, Mitt Romney is doing the same thing.
But health care is the pre-eminent domestic issue for the 2008 election. Surely the American people deserve candidates who do their homework on the subject.
Yet what we actually have is the front-runner for the Republican nomination apparently basing his health-care views on something he read somewhere, which he believed without double-checking because it confirmed his prejudices.
By rights, then, Mr. Giuliani's false claims about prostate cancer - which he has, by the way, continued to repeat, along with some fresh false claims about breast cancer - should be a major political scandal. As far as I can tell, however, they aren't being treated that way.
To be fair, there has been some news coverage of the prostate affair. But it's only a tiny fraction of the coverage received by Hillary's laugh and John Edwards's haircut.
And much of the coverage seems weirdly diffident. Memo to editors: If a candidate says something completely false, it's not "in dispute." It's not the case that "Democrats say" they're not advocating British-style socialized medicine; they aren't.
The fact is that the prostate affair is part of a pattern: Mr. Giuliani has a habit of saying things, on issues that range from health care to national security, that are demonstrably untrue. And the American people have a right to know that.
Paul Krugman is Professor of Economics at Princeton University and a regular New York Times columnist. His most recent book is The Great Unraveling: Losing Our Way in the New Century.
© 2007 The New York Times
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Show AllBut the corporate media likes candidates that way. They are giving Giuliani the same kid gloves treatment they gave Bush, who told obvious lies every day of the 2000 campaign that were completely ignored. Giuliani, like Bush and Cheney, is a 100 percent, unadulterated warrior for the oligarchy. Though this time the oligarchy may get more than they bargained for, because Rudy is also a certifiable lunatic who could get us all killed in the end.
Lying isn't a character issue in today's America. Torture isn't a character issue. Official corruption isn't a character issue. Only illicit sex is a character issue. Perhaps we could circulate fake photos of Giuliani in a hot tub with other men.
militantliberal,
I am afraid that would not do it either. I think that if Giuliani, or Bush for that matter, were caught on tape raping little boys that the corporate media would laugh it off as all in good fun, and claim that the critics were just showing their homophobia and narrow-minded bigotry. The real character flaw, according to the corporate media, is not voting with the oligarchy 100 percent of the time. If one fails on that test, then any other questionable action is magnified a thousandfold by the corporate media, for example getting an expensive haircut.
Maybe it's just my cynicism, but I think the reason Giuliani and others make these sorts of statements is because they know that most people don't check their facts and the media is owned by the wealthy, so they probably figure they'll rarely be caught in their lies.
You know, it's really great that Guiliani was "cured" of prostate cancer. What he fails to notice, amazingly enough, is that for the 40 million Americans without health insurance (including yours truly), cancer of pretty much any type will lead directly to bankrupcy then death.
While he's waxing eloquently about the "success" of our "healthcare system," scientists have concluded that Bisphenol-A is present in almost all Americans at levels that cause hormonal cancers in animals, that the outcomes include prostate and breast cancer and sexual changes in infants, and that we are - without comprehending the risk - routinely exposed to this chemical, which is produced in huge volumes (>6 billion pounds per year) See, for example: http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/newscience/2007/2007-0801bpaconsensus.pdf
Nope. It's far better to stick to the Standard American Myth about the benefits of the market. Remember, cancer isn't an externality or inter-temporal market failure - it's good for the GDP!
>> which is amazing given the fact that Britain spends
>> only 41 percent as much on health care per person as we do.
Does this mean government spending? You know, your tax dollars at work? I understand that almost all healthcare in the US is funded privately or, in an astonishing number of cases, not at all. What is this figure actually comparing, because the context implies that US tax dollars are getting poor value for money?
I don't know what Americans think "socialized" means. Is it a slur like "commie" used to be? To me it means I get something other than
war-as-porn for my tax contributions. The NHS is not perfect, but it is assuredly a Good Thing.
Giuliani should have visited familydoctor.org: "Most patients with slow-growing cancer will never have symptoms. Three out of four cases of prostate cancer are of the slow-growing type that is relatively harmless."
yep, if 'socialized medicine' comes here, we will all become commies. absolutely. what a crock this all is. the media have created these monsters. and now all they can tell are tall tales....
Winning is the only thing. All's fair in love and war (and politics?). If these are accepted by Americans than out and out lying by people running for office is accepted as well. Anything to win. Who has time to fact check? Has electing the president become the same as cheering at a football game? Lets all yell and scream so loud that the players can't hear their QB or in this case, lets put so much bullshit out there that it's impossible to tell who is the shitter and who is the shitee.
It wouldn't be a quote worthy of a corporate newspaper if it wasn't a lie.
All the bleating and blabbering from the candidates is meaningless. Only one will be elected(appointed) and he or she or he/she will toe the corporate party line as have all of their predecessors.
If the media - including NYT - were doing their job then Rudy and ALL the others would be called on the carpet to explain their proclamations. The truth would come to the surface and we would have a better picture of a candidate's character. But if that happened there wouldn't be a candidate standing because they are all professional political whores pimpimg themselves for the Almighty Dollar.
Hoa binh
Much as I like this article and Paul Krugman generally, it seems to me the real story here isn't about Guiliani's lies, it is about his prostrate recovery. In particular, Rudy likes to argue that socialized medicine is bad, but we all should be asking what health insurance provider Guiliani was using when he recieved his treatment. For the answer, head over to Salon.com or use this link:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/11/02/healthcare_lies/
You know, it's really great that Guiliani was "cured" of prostate cancer. What he fails to notice, amazingly enough, is that for the 40 million Americans without health insurance (including yours truly), cancer of pretty much any type will lead directly to bankrupcy then death.
--Doing a comparative study of those not cured would be quite telling. What percentage of them, because of lack of coverage and/or income level, waited to get treatment or were refused treatment. The numbers here would no doubt be telling, and a real indicator of benefit of having national health care, or the detriment of not having it.
AND the first and loudest denigrater of "socialized medicine" was none other than Ike Eisenhower, who never paid a doctor bill in his life.
Paul Krugman's article is correct, especially regarding Rudy Giuliani's penchant for stretching the truth into shapes most of us would call outright lies, but he didn't tell the whole sordid story.
The data on British prostate cancer rates was provided by Giuliani adviser David Gratzer, who wrote the City Journal article Mr. Krugman references. Gratzer got his figures from a seven year old study by the Commonwealth Fund that has been described as "crude" and incomplete. The Commonwealth Fund itself repudiated Gratzer's misleading use of their numbers: "Five-year survival rates cannot be calculated from incidence and mortality rates, as any good epidemiologist knows." Hilariously, Gratzer, backed in a corner, complained that the source he quoted, the Commonwealth Fund, was guilty of "ideological bias."
The fraudulent stats have also been renounced by the British Office of National Statistics who provided the 74.4 figure.
Worse yet, and even stranger, when Giuliani press aide Maria Comella was informed that the ad's statistics were bogus, she replied to the NY Times that the Giuliani campaign was going to continue running the ad anyway. Got that: Rudy doesn't care if his radio ad is a lie, as long as it's an effective lie.
Julie Bosman of the NY Times' The Caucus blog has done great work on this story, but I've seen little else in the MSM about it.
Gee, you might think that a major presidential candidate fudging facts in an ad and then continuing to run the ad even after he's been made aware it's false would make a great expose story for some news outlet. Shows a lot about his character. You might even think the opposition, at the least, would ask him to remove the false ad and apologize for trying to hoodwink the voters.
Ah, but you'd need a real free press interested in journalism and an actual opposition party to do that.
Here's the URL for the Bosman NY Times story:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/giuliani-discusses-cancer-in-radio-ad/
We should keep in mind one of the main reasons the oligarchy is so opposed to universal health care. It is part of living the good life, working 3-5 hours per day average; enjoying sports, art, literature, music and human companionship the rest of the time. The oligarchs cannot stand the idea of mere laborers and mechanics doing this. Workers are supposed to be working, preferably 16 hrs a day for a flea ridden cot and moldy rice and beans. Just look at the conditions in laboring camps in the west during the Guilded Age.
People are already getting the idea that "socialized medicine" is not an insult any more. Think of all those people who streamed north to Canada to get reasonably priced drugs. Big Pharma was apoplectic. Something had to be done to stop the drug-based refugee problem. So guess what--we got Part D shoved up our kiesters, with AARP supplying the ramrod. People notice these things when they impact their own families; if healthcare reform is just another sop to corporate medicine, it's a no-go. Kucinich is the only one calling for a true social security of healthcare, a single-payer plan; naturally, every time he mentions it in a debate, there is no follow-up, no discussion. The MSM just treats it as if somebody farted, just ignore it and it will go away.
It sure is obvious that democracy don't work in the USA.
Not just a character issue, lets extend the metaphor to be fully systematic. In New Scientist this week, a short article discusses how we avoid cognitive dissonance, by believing our choices, however made in the past, as the best ones, in order to avoid a loss of self esteem. This may involve major rewrites of the memory of the past and ones choices. In a big way, the United States of Israel has rewritten its beliefs and choices in order to maintain its self esteem. In order to justify the expensive private non-universal health care, its system must be believed to be better than elsewhere, because it fits USI ideology, and was chosen for this in the past. To feel better about invading defenseless nations for Oil, it has to be believed the victim nations are populated entirely by rabid religious terrorists. The National media are complicit in the memory editing. National criticism is filtered out. So any politician can say anything, so long as it bolsters the USI self image, in particular the presented self image of the rulers. Image overrides morality and reality. It doesn't matter what the USI does, as long as it can publish some aspect to feel good about. Its national political mind has been edited down to a strange demented state, with a great poverty of ideas and imagination. But you can all stand up and feel good about yourselves.
Dongisselbeck, this is exactly what Mattel, Speedo and other giant corporations get overseas -- workers chained to their jobs, with their room and board provided by the factory. I heard of one 'sweet deal' the robber barons cooked up in Libya is to set up a factory and staff it with Asians. When the Asians arrive, they take away their passports so that they can't escape, and Libya doesn't care because the corporation isn't running afoul of state law by abusing Libyans. It's essentially a modern form of slavery.
Redjeff, I've noticed that too out here in Flyover Country; so many people have been affected, either directly or by a family member getting sick, that the idea of nationalized universal health care that doesn't drive them into bankruptcy isn't as scary as it was when most Americans got some form of health insurance with their job, and health care costs were cheaper.
The real fear that most Americans have is what Michael Moore stressed in "Sicko", that even those of us who have good health insurance, can, with serious illnesses such as cancer, quite suddenly be dropped by our insurance company and left to fend for ourselves!! This happened to my cousin, who, after spending his entire professional life as a FIREFIGHTER, was forced to retire 6 months after being diagnosed with incurable kidney cancer, losing not only his health insurance, but his LIFE INSURANCE, so his wife lost their house after his death. FOR SHAME, AMERICA!!! Stop letting the Publicans treat us all like peasants!!! They will brand anything that helps the PEOPLE as SOCIALISM !!!!