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Waterboarding Is Torture - I Did It Myself, says US Advisor
When the US military trains soldiers to resist interrogation, it uses a torture technique from the Middle Ages, known as "waterboarding". Its use on terror suspects in secret US prisons around the world has come to symbolise the Bush administration's no-nonsense enthusiasm for the harshest questioning techniques.
Although waterboarding has been considered torture for over a century and the US military is banned from using it, controversy over its continuing use by the CIA may be about to derail the appointment of President Bush's candidate for US Attorney-General.
Michael Mukasey, a retired federal judge from New York and a veteran of several al-Qa'ida trials, was questioned by a Senate committee on Tuesday and refused to say whether waterboarding was illegal.
Instead, he called the technique "repugnant to me" and promised to investigate further if he was confirmed in the job. He explained that he could not say yet whether the practice was illegal because he had not been briefed on the secret methods of US interrogators and he did not want to put the CIA officers who used it in "personal legal jeopardy".
Even though Congress banned waterboarding in the US military in 2005, it did not do so for the CIA. As a result, Mr Mukasey told senators, it was uncertain whether this technique or other harsh methods constituted "cruel, inhuman or degrading" treatment. His answers did not satisfy the Democrats, however, and his approval now hinges on whether he is willing to say the torture method is against US law.
In a further embarrassment for Mr Bush yesterday, Malcolm Nance, an advisor on terrorism to the US departments of Homeland Security, Special Operations and Intelligence, publicly denounced the practice. He revealed that waterboarding is used in training at the US Navy's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School in San Diego, and claimed to have witnessed and supervised "hundreds" of waterboarding exercises. Although these last only a few minutes and take place under medical supervision, he concluded that "waterboarding is a torture technique - period".
The practice involves strapping the person being interrogated on to a board as pints of water are forced into his lungs through a cloth covering his face while the victim's mouth is forced open. Its effect, according to Mr Nance, is a process of slow-motion suffocation.
Typically, a victim goes into hysterics on the board as water fills his lungs. "How much the victim is to drown," Mr Nance wrote in an article for the Small Wars Journal, "depends on the desired result and the obstinacy of the subject.
"A team doctor watches the quantity of water that is ingested and for the physiological signs which show when the drowning effect goes from painful psychological experience to horrific, suffocating punishment, to the final death spiral. For the uninitiated, it is horrifying to watch."
The CIA director Michael Hayden has tried to defuse the controversy. He claims that, since 2002, aggressive interrogation methods in which a prisoner believes he is about to die have been used on only about 30 of the 100 al-Qai'da suspects being held by the US. Meanwhile, a CIA official told The New York Times waterboarding had only been used three times. The Bush administration has suggested that the interrogation of al-Qai'da's second-in-command, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, was a success thanks to the technique, and used this to justify continued aggressive interrogations of suspects in secret CIA prisons.
While US media reports typically state that waterboarding involves "simulated drowning", Mr Nance explained that "since the lungs are actually filling with water", there is nothing simulated about it. "Waterboarding," he said, "is slow-motion suffocation with enough time to contemplate the inevitability of blackout and expiration. When done right, it is controlled death."
Mr Nance said US troops were trained to withstand waterboarding, watched by a doctor, a psychologist, an interrogator and a backup team. "When performed with even moderate intensity over an extended time on an unsuspecting prisoner - it is torture, without doubt," he added. "Most people cannot stand to watch a high-intensity, kinetic interrogation. One has to overcome basic human decency to endure watching or causing the effects. The brutality would force you into a personal moral dilemma between humanity and hatred. It would leave you to question the meaning of what it is to be an American."
Mr Mukasey's nomination goes before the Senate next week. Three Democratic presidential candidates, including Hillary Clinton, have already said they will not support him. However, the White House said yesterday that it did not believe his nomination was in jeopardy.
'I felt I was drowning and I was in terrible agony'
Henri Alleg, a journalist, was tortured in 1957 by French forces in Algeria. He described the ordeal of water torture in his book The Question. Soldiers strapped him over a plank, wrapped his head in cloth and positioned it beneath a running tap. He recalled: "The rag was soaked rapidly. Water flowed everywhere: in my mouth, in my nose, all over my face. But for a while I could still breathe in some small gulps of air. I tried, by contracting my throat, to take in as little water as possible and to resist suffocation by keeping air in my lungs for as long as I could. But I couldn't hold on for more than a few moments. I had the impression of drowning, and a terrible agony, that of death itself, took possession of me. In spite of myself, all the muscles of my body struggled uselessly to save me from suffocation. In spite of myself, the fingers of both my hands shook uncontrollably. 'That's it! He's going to talk,' said a voice.
The water stopped running and they took away the rag. I was able to breathe. In the gloom, I saw the lieutenants and the captain, who, with a cigarette between his lips, was hitting my stomach with his fist to make me throw out the water I had swallowed."
From: Alleg, Henri, The Question, University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln: 2006; original French edition © 1958 by Editions de Minuit
© 2007 The Independent



77 Comments so far
Show AllDoes anyone who has been paying attention really not know intuitively or by referring to the Geneva/UN Conventions that waterboarding is torture ? If Mukasey can't figure it out I don't want him protecting the Constitution of these United States. Thank You
God damm us all.
What bothers me is; I'll bet you a nickle Mukasey is confirmed. Just more smoke and mirrors from our selfish, immoral, cowardly congress. That includes the sainted dems.
Well, as Bill Clinton said, "It all depends on what your definition of 'IS' is."
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Force anyone who does not understand what is involved to:
1. See the movie "RENDITION" with its graphic use of waterboarding as torture. (Better hurry - its being pulled from most theaters this week) OR (better yet)
2. Have it demonstrated with him/her as the person being interrogated. Then have him/her decide if it is torture or not!!!!!
Not who -- but "what" is Mr. Mukasey that he does not know that inducing a life threatening sensation is indeed torture? That we now cast such elusive and dissociative creatures as the leaders of our society's system of justice says it all. Mind you, this is the same creature who will be in a position to decide how any of us -- our neighbors -- our families -- our children may very be treated when even faintly suspected of whatever. Just imagine your child or parent being suspected of something for which "they" want information -- and your child or parent being waterboarded. Is that torture? I wonder if Mr. Mukasey were forced to observe his mother or child being waterboarded if he might be able to produce a more defintive answer. Oh, by the way -- I wouldn't want him to watch because my conscience tells me that being forced to observe such acts is also a form of torture. The Nazi's knew this -- but then again -- maybe they too had some confusion and didn't call it "torture" if it were conducted on certain types of people. What a wonderful bunch of bullies and thieves these guys are -- and there sure is a long line of them.
The official dither over waterboarding doesn't begin to address the routine savagery that takes place in actual prison and combat situations. In Vietnam, Americans dispensed with the subtleties and simply held prisoners heads underwater in the nearest swamp. I have a Life Magazine from the 1960s with a full page, full color photo of an American interrogator matter-of-factly doing that to a female Viet Cong prisoner. Torturing people may be a crime against humanity, but it is also as "American" as apple pie and Christmas.
The exclusivism by which we delude ourselves into thinking we have evolved past common barbarism is not unlike the arrogance by which we feel entitled to treat others with unthinkable cruelty. Perhaps something will yet rescue the race of hominids from its chronic misery, but the American experiment wasn't it.
Don't be dismayed. These are the last days of a dark and barbaric cosmic cycle on Earth. Esoteric Suns (as important to human life as the Sun we all see) are concealed from mankind right now, but will soon be seen by everyone. The anxiousness of the passengers do not speed up the train. Man's loftiest dreams for a utopian world with peace, democracy, and cooperation will come true.
What is the most profound story going on in the world these days, that the oligarchy's news media has ignored?
Read all about it. Believe it or not!
http://www.share-international.org
Are we Americans suppose to accept this. Then what have we become if we do?
" It would leave you to question the meaning of what it is to be an American."
The entire would knows what it means to be an American today, just like they knew what it meant to be a German Nazi in the 30's and 40's
"A team doctor watches the quantity of water that is ingested and for the physiological signs which show when the drowning effect goes from painful psychological experience to horrific, suffocating punishment, to the final death spiral. For the uninitiated, it is horrifying to watch."
So this is what that nice Mormon girl, returned-missionary, linguist/translator, Alyssa Peterson was asking to be transferred over after observing for less than a week. This, before her "assemblage point" (loosely borrowed from Carlos Casteneda) collapsed and she killed herself not being able to wrap her mind around it and reconcile it with her beliefs of what she was about and why she was there.
A PTSD factory over there indeed!
U.S. government officials have been torturing people who wouldn't kiss up to their corrupt ways ever since the USA came into existence.
There are many forms of torture initiated by U.S. gov't officials that are even worse than waterboarding. The invasion and occupation has caused the deaths of over 800 thousand Iraqi people (mostly civilians) and over a million to be crippled for life. At least a hundred thousand of the crippled are probably little children under 10 years of age. Surely most of the adults would rather be waterboarded that crippled for life. At least they can walk away from waterboarding.
I've read that U.S. soldiers are busting down an average of 800 doors in Iraq every night, then humiliating the men infront of their families and taking any who protest that away. That's another form of torture.
Everyone in Iraq has loved ones and friends who've been killed and crippled by the U.S.A.
The US is not alone is using this "Enhanced Interrogation Technique..."
Such Benevolent empires, and nations such as Nazi Germany, Japan in the 1930's, 40's, in the 15th-17th centuries Spain used to against the Jews during the Spanish Inquisition.... Heck, even the King of England authorized it during the 17th and 18th centuries, including in Colonial America.
We're in good company, wouldn't you say?
This cannot possibly be true, no one in the government of the United States of America, land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE would ever ___ ever, allow this.
Would they?
The Spanish Inquisition used waterboarding to punish Jews and other "non-believers." Mr. Mukasey is Jewish. How sad.
The invasion and occupation of Palestine and Iraq amount to cruel and inhumane treatment of the people there. It cause them much anquish and intense pain. It also causes politically/socially aware people all over the world, the same.
merriam-webster's definition:
TOR-TURE
1 a: anguish of body or mind : agony b: something that causes agony or pain
2: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3: distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument : straining
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/torture
River is in Syria now. She recently posted an new piece:
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
voxclamantis November 1st, 2007 1:30 pm
What's that Nietsche quote from Thus Spoke Zarathustra.... something like "Even now, man is more ape than any of the apes."
has anyone in congress introduced a bill to stop this kind of thing?
Let Bush and Cheney decide if it is torture or not torture. They can volunteer for a test to prove whether or not their claims that 'we do not torture' are true. Should solve this dilemma in a matter of seconds.
They are going to confirm this guy and/or anyone else Bush puts up for the nomination. What ever the Dems do they don't want to rock the boat. For heavens sake. they wouldn't want Rush to say nasty things about them. Rush must feel like a God yielding so much influence over a bunch of wimps. If my government teacher were alive to witness this sorry Congress he would have torn his hair out, luckily he is just rolling over and over in his grave.
No human being could stand by and watch another being tortured. How could you ever begin to consider yourself a human being if you participate in this?
How can we point a finger at Saddam Hussein when we are engaging in the same behavior.
Suppose that we get information about a terrorist attack by using this torture. We may have stopped the attack, but we have compromised the fundamental basis of who we are as a people. Can we say that we stand for liberty and freedom when people are tortured in this manner?
What separates us from our enemies is our humanity and support of individual rights.
This waterboarding procedure and all other methods of torture are against everything I believe as an American. If I catch anyone actually doing it, there's going to be violence.
Americans have always commited atrocities, as they are now. That doesn't mean we give up. Americans may never stop torturing. That doesn't make it moral to look the other way and sweep it under the rug. one of the first things I learned in the military was, ignorance of the law is no excuse. What have we become indeed.
What a simply lovely bunch of gentlemen we have in charge of us now - to embrace and promote such "enhanced interrogation techniques." I never thought I'd see the day when the Russian president can lecture us on human decency - but leave it up to the Republicans!! If we elect Mitt Romney (heaven forbid) as the next president he'll want to double the amount of "enemy combatants" that are being tortured through waterboarding.
Here's an article about Bush and his sadistic character traits from buzzflash.com (my second favorite progressive web site after commondreams)
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/227
The powers given to the neo-con nazi queers in D.C. Has ruined the whole world. They torture people to take your mind off tapping toes or paying a thousand dollars to get probed by another man. Homos are very dangerous. Bushieboy and Cheney will be next one caught. Who will pitch and who will be catching?
This is the best technique to apply to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, Betrayus, et al, to force them to recite the Constitution of the United States. The practise should continue until each one of them gets it right word for word. If anyone of them messes up, then they all keep getting waterboarded until the last one gets it spot on.
It is appalling, and sickenning that Michael Mukaseh, a retired FEDERAL JUDGE, does not want to give an IMPARTIAL JUDGMENT on waterboarding. How can he be considered a judge, if his judgment is biased and based on his association with the "criminal". If such a person is appointed as Attorney General, will he protect the rights of all the American citizens equally, irrespective of calour, creed, and class???
How can the US government and Mukaseh dodge the question on waterboarding when the entire world and the international law categorises it as TORTURE??? How the US president, the government, and the political representatives have reached to a state of savagery and moral depravity!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can any sane human being imagine people who opposed torture being imprisoned? Read this news: "Louis Vitale, 75, a Franciscan priest, and Steve Kelly, 58, a Jesuit priest, were each sentenced to five months in federal prison for attempting to deliver a letter opposing the teaching of torture at Fort Huachuca in Arizona. Both priests were taken directly into jail from the courtroom after sentencing.
"Fort Huachuca is the headquarters of military intelligence in the U.S. and the place where military and civilian interrogators are taught how to extract information from prisoners. The priests attempted to deliver their letter to Major General Barbara Fast, commander of Fort Huachuca. Fast was previously the head of all military intelligence in Iraq during the atrocities of Abu Ghraib.
"In a pre-trial heating, the priests attempted to introduce evidence of torture, murder, and gross violations of human rights in Afghanistan, Abu Ghraib in Iraq, and at Guantanamo. The priests offered investigative reports from the FBI, the US Army, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Physicians for Social Responsibility documenting hundreds of incidents of human rights violations. Despite increasing evidence of the use of torture by U.S. forces sanctioned by President Bush and others, the federal court in Tucson refused to allow any evidence of torture, the legality of the invasion of Iraq, or international law to be a part of the trial."
What happened to the American public and why is there no nationwide opposition to the heinous policies and crimes of its representative government? The reason seems to be what Jason Miller calls "Americanistic Personality Disorder". He describes: "The essential features of Americanistic Personality Disorder include pervasive patterns of extreme self-absorption, profound and long-term lapses in empathy, a deep disregard for the well-being of others, a powerful aversion to intellectual honesty and reality, and a grossly exaggerated sense of the importance of one's self and one's nation. These patterns emerge in infancy, manifest themselves in nearly all contexts, and often become pathological.
"These patterns have also been characterized as sociopathic, or colloquially as the "Ugly American Syndrome." Note that the latter terminology carries too benign a connotation to accurately describe an individual afflicted with such a dangerous perversion of character. For this diagnosis to be given, the individual must be deeply immersed in the flag-waving, nationalistic, and militaristic fervor derived primarily from the nearly perpetual barrage of reality warping emanations of the "mainstream media," most commonly through the medium of television. Typically indoctrinated from birth to believe that they are morally superior, exceptional human beings, these individuals suffer from severe egocentrism, a condition further engendered by the prevalence of the acutely toxic dominant paradigm known as capitalism."
This American public "personality disorder" is also expressed every four years in electing political representatives and the president who have this "Americanistic personality disorder". Sadly, it is the poor and the marginalised communities in the US, and the "economically and militarily poor" countries that become victims of the "Americanistic personality disorder".
Middle Ages...
Kinda sez it all... doesn't it?
The Bush Regime has completely disqualified itself from being considered a legitimate form of government!
I'm completely in favor of annulling all legislation that has been passed and perpetrated upon the American People since Bush and Cheney seized office in 2000!!
mukasey is dancing around the question , because he knows damn well they have been using this technique, and he doesn't want to incrimidate bush. just another loyal bushy. these assholes don't have any integrity. he's perfect. he'll be confirmed.
As Constitutional expert Bruce Fein stated, if Congress confirms Mukasey, after Mukasey has already stated he cannot say that waterboarding is torture, then Congress truly will be a completely "irrelevant" law-making body.
NancyH, thanks. Nothing could be more clear and true than what you have said at 4:39 p.m.
Okay, President Bush, you paid off other nationalities of person to turn in funny looking people and personal enemies. The funny looking people were tortured into confessing to whatever you wanted. They then were flown to Guantanamo.
If you never had done anything else, this, sir, should be enough for imprisonment-- YOURS!
So, W, it's time for you and Vice-president
Cheney to quit. President Pelosi will give us a chance to see if we really like women before we elect Hillary.
And here is the logic laid bare.
"Even though Congress banned waterboarding in the US military in 2005, it did not do so for the CIA. As a result, Mr Mukasey told senators, it was uncertain whether this technique or other harsh methods constituted "cruel, inhuman or degrading" treatment."
That is, since the CIA uses it, I can not declare it "cruel, inhuman or degrading" treatment" because that would mean we torture.
The Senators should ask these question, "If Saddam used water-boarding, would you consider that torture? If Iranians used stress positions and extreme temperatures on the British sailors, would that be torture? When the KGB used sleep deprivation on European dissidents, was that torture?
As the article sates, Mukasey is a retired judge and veteran of some Al-Qa'ida trials. He was probably privy to the "evidence" that defense counsel is barred from hearing, and thus, not allowed to challenge. He knows exactly what water-boarding is, and if they allow is nomination to go through to vote, then Congress is worse than "irrelevant" as Fein said, but entirely craven.
I recall reading about a king of England who was arrested, de-throned and cast into a Tower of London cell, where he was tortured for a week. It is said his screams could be heard for miles. Now if we're gonna allow torture, then why not do it right, with white hot pokers in the rectum and feet in boiling oil for starters. After all, the most pwerful nation on Earth should be able to show the rest of the world how great we are. That should help promote Democracy in the Mid-East. Isn't that the goal now since no WMDs were found in Iraq?
To see if torture really provides accurate information might I suggest that we waterboard Dick and George and see how long it takes them to confess to being charter members of Al-Quaida. I give those draft-dodging cowards about 15 seconds before they would confess to anything.
1692 all over again.
"How do you know she is a witch?"
"She looks like one!"
"I got it! We'll torture her into admitting she is a witch...humm, I mean has ties to terrorist organizations!"
Have we really evolved?
If Congress confirms this wretched human being (which they undoubtedly will), they will be just as complicit in these crimes.
I wish during a news conference someone would ask King Bush if he thinks Jesus would endorce waterboarding.
Kem Patrick, present torture is torture done right to borrow your sarcasm. Purely physical torture will leave you pretty scarred and PTSD'd for life, but the "enhanced interrogations", to borrow some Nazi sarcasm, leaves the people mentally incapacitated and often identifying with their torturers. Just take a look at Padilla. I believe they said he had the wherewithal of furniture. During his little trial, they reported that he thought Dubya would swoop in and rescue him from his fate. He would be better off if that just used a thunmscrew and broke is arms on the rack. Here, they've literally destroyed his mind and written a new one in its place.
Since waterboarding is not torture according to the Bush administration, we should have public demonstrations of waterboarding, demonstrating how people friendly waterboarding really is with Bush administration officials being the ones who are waterboarded, starting with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
Public demonstrations would reassure the general population and allow them to have faith in their government officials by government officials starting with Bush and Cheney undergoing this people friendly procedure and reassuring the public that waterboarding is not torture, it is just people friendly interrogation; surely, Bush and Cheney can undergo a little people friendly interrogation to reassure the public that waterboarding is not torture. What do you think?
MarthaA----Capital idea! They have alot of useful information that Americans need to know. Let the enhanced interrogations begin!
I just received an email from my group, can not open the site. It infers bush confirmed Mukasy w/o anyone knowing. Happened between speech and present time.
Film at 11:00....
If it isn't torture what is it? Will Mukasey submit to waterboarding? If so let's waterboard him until we can get him to answer the questions to our satisfaction.
No we don't need another psycho attorney general. The attorney general should have compassion and be the most honest guy in the country.
History in the Making - if Leheay grows some bal_s. Call him at 202-224-3121 (capitol switchboard) and ask for his office. Give them hell.
Waterboarding Is Torture ... period
Torture Is Against the Geneva Convention ... period
The Geneva Convention (Treaty) Is the Law of the Land ... period
This Government Is in Violation of the Law of the Land ... period
This Government Is Guilty of Treason ... period
What does our Founding Document (Declaration of Independance) say about that?
I think there should be a formal investigation of the circumstances of Alyssa R. Peterson's death. She is the interrogator/interpreter who refused to continue and was found dead in her reassigned position, guard duty, of a non-combat gunshot. It might just lead to some proof of the non-torture enhanced interrogations which the public might more clearly recognize. Maybe she thought waterboarding was torture. Maybe her voice should be heard in a matter such as this. It seems like we owe her something.
Yep, he'll be confirmed...by the supposedly "spineless" Democratic Congress.
I sincerely wish we could waterboard the mo~!@kers in the whitehouse.
Never would I have believed this of the United States of America until this year. I still have a problem believing it. ___ But we have to.
Paul From Texas What the hell do you mean "Supposedly" there's no doubt in my mind that they are nearly all gutless, spineless and w/o balls with few exceptions. (Feingold, Sanders, Waxman, a few others)
Yes, Mukasey, the little spineless schmuck will be confirmed and will be about as worthless as the two previous pricks were. The only good thing we ever heard about Ashcroft happened when he was nearly unconscious. And "Gonzo", forget it, what a total waste of sperm.